INFO-VAX Wed, 05 Nov 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 599 Contents: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Re: ActiveMQ working but want out of java... Re: MES Serial communication Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines WPSPLUS on Layered Products? Re: WPSPLUS on Layered Products? Re: WPSPLUS on Layered Products? Re: WPSPLUS on Layered Products? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:49:38 -0800 (PST) From: kev@mols.co.uk Subject: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Message-ID: We have an old vax system here which is really not used much, but we need access to it for some records out the database. Unfortunately it comes up with this error on trying to log onto it. %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM configuration is not running Then it dumps you back at the logon, I found an old article on google that mentions running with an -M switch but havent a clue where to start? Digital MicroVax 3100-80 VMS 5.5-1 DSM Version 6 Just on the complete off chance I'm hoping someone may point me in the right direction or what to do next with it. I dont have any knowledge of the system or programming what can I do to get it running again? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 02:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Message-ID: On Nov 5, 4:49=A0am, k...@mols.co.uk wrote: > We have an old vax system here which is really not used much, but we > need access to it for some records out the database. > > Unfortunately it comes up with this error on trying to log onto it. > %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM configuration is not running > > Then it dumps you back at the logon, I found an old article on google > that mentions running with an -M switch but havent a clue where to > start? > > Digital MicroVax 3100-80 > > VMS 5.5-1 > > DSM Version 6 > > Just on the complete off chance I'm hoping someone may point me in the > right direction or what to do next with it. > > I dont have any knowledge of the system or programming what can I do > to get it running again? Kev, VMS 5.5 is a fairly old release. As a guess, I would suspect that the system was rebooted recently and something did not start correctly when the system restarted. The SHOW SYSTEM command at the "$" prompt will, among other things, show the time that the system has been up since last bootstrap. Beyond that, it is fairly difficult to diagnose what precisely is happening from only this information. Before this started happening, when was the last time that the system was accessed. I would suggest getting someone with the appropriate experience to take a closer look [Disclosure: We do provide such services.] I have seen far more data lost through unskilled attempts at correction than through actual problems. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: modinside Subject: Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Message-ID: On Nov 5, 10:04=A0am, Bob Gezelter wrote: > On Nov 5, 4:49=A0am, k...@mols.co.uk wrote: > > > > > > > We have an old vax system here which is really not used much, but we > > need access to it for some records out the database. > > > Unfortunately it comes up with this error on trying to log onto it. > > %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM configuration is not running > > > Then it dumps you back at the logon, I found an old article on google > > that mentions running with an -M switch but havent a clue where to > > start? > > > Digital MicroVax 3100-80 > > > VMS 5.5-1 > > > DSM Version 6 > > > Just on the complete off chance I'm hoping someone may point me in the > > right direction or what to do next with it. > > > I dont have any knowledge of the system or programming what can I do > > to get it running again? > > Kev, > > VMS 5.5 is a fairly old release. As a guess, I would suspect that the > system was rebooted recently and something did not start correctly > when the system restarted. The SHOW SYSTEM command at the "$" prompt > will, among other things, show the time that the system has been up > since last bootstrap. > > Beyond that, it is fairly difficult to diagnose what precisely is > happening from only this information. Before this started happening, > when was the last time that the system was accessed. > > I would suggest getting someone with the appropriate experience to > take a closer look [Disclosure: We do provide such services.] I have > seen far more data lost through unskilled attempts at correction than > through actual problems. > > - Bob Gezelter,http://www.rlgsc.com- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Thanks Bob Would you be able to give me a price or guesstimate for you to take a look and resolve it? Many thanks Kev ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:20:18 +0000 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Message-ID: <49118173$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> modinside wrote: > On Nov 5, 10:04 am, Bob Gezelter wrote: >> On Nov 5, 4:49 am, k...@mols.co.uk wrote: >> >>> We have an old vax system here which is really not used much, but we >>> need access to it for some records out the database. >>> Unfortunately it comes up with this error on trying to log onto it. >>> %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM configuration is not running >>> Then it dumps you back at the logon, I found an old article on google >>> that mentions running with an -M switch but havent a clue where to >>> start? >>> Digital MicroVax 3100-80 >>> VMS 5.5-1 >>> DSM Version 6 >>> Just on the complete off chance I'm hoping someone may point me in the >>> right direction or what to do next with it. >>> I dont have any knowledge of the system or programming what can I do >>> to get it running again? >> [...snip...] > > Thanks Bob > > Would you be able to give me a price or guesstimate for you to take a > look and resolve it? Kevin, since you appear to be in Sevenoaks (Kent), you might like to engage someone more, ahem, "local" (hint, hint). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:45:52 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Message-ID: <00A8229A.9BEC96BE@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <49118173$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, "R.A.Omond" writes: >modinside wrote: >> On Nov 5, 10:04 am, Bob Gezelter wrote: >>> On Nov 5, 4:49 am, k...@mols.co.uk wrote: >>> >>>> We have an old vax system here which is really not used much, but we >>>> need access to it for some records out the database. >>>> Unfortunately it comes up with this error on trying to log onto it. >>>> %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM configuration is not running >>>> Then it dumps you back at the logon, I found an old article on google >>>> that mentions running with an -M switch but havent a clue where to >>>> start? >>>> Digital MicroVax 3100-80 >>>> VMS 5.5-1 >>>> DSM Version 6 >>>> Just on the complete off chance I'm hoping someone may point me in the >>>> right direction or what to do next with it. >>>> I dont have any knowledge of the system or programming what can I do >>>> to get it running again? >>> [...snip...] >> >> Thanks Bob >> >> Would you be able to give me a price or guesstimate for you to take a >> look and resolve it? > >Kevin, since you appear to be in Sevenoaks (Kent), you might like >to engage someone more, ahem, "local" (hint, hint). The internet isn't local enough? :) I've already responded to him. I've seen an error similar to his in the past at a medical group office. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:34:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Subject: Re: %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM Message-ID: <35f2d461-350d-4c63-b8e8-1f22c1271334@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> On Nov 5, 4:49=A0am, k...@mols.co.uk wrote: > We have an old vax system here which is really not used much, but we > need access to it for some records out the database. > > Unfortunately it comes up with this error on trying to log onto it. > %DSM-E-NOTRUN A DSM configuration is not running > > Then it dumps you back at the logon, I found an old article on google > that mentions running with an -M switch but havent a clue where to > start? > > Digital MicroVax 3100-80 > > VMS 5.5-1 > > DSM Version 6 > > Just on the complete off chance I'm hoping someone may point me in the > right direction or what to do next with it. > > I dont have any knowledge of the system or programming what can I do > to get it running again? A DSM (Digital Standard MUMPS) database environment exists as a collection of daemon processes running detached on the system that provide access and integrity to the database. All of these processes run under the account/username that owns the database. That error message is saying that these processes are not "up". So, if you have access to account that owns the database, log into that account and try something like $ DSM/MAN ^STU and answer the prompts and the database will start up. ^STU is the startup routine for the DSM database. You might also be interested in what $ HELP DSM can tell you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: christery@gmail.com Subject: Re: ActiveMQ working but want out of java... Message-ID: <23dd5ff7-6051-4c56-aaab-7cda1876cf77@d36g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On 3 Nov, 21:48, thierry....@wanadoo.fr wrote: > On Nov 3, 3:28 pm, christ...@gmail.com wrote: ... > > There are two client API (CMS for C++ and openwire-C-client for C) : > > http://activemq.apache.org/cms.html > http://activemq.apache.org/openwire-c-client.html > > I have not tested the examples. > > Thierry Uso.- D=F6lj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - Thanks, tried the open wire solution and got stuck in not being able to download ant 1.7 from HP. Site seems to be down ,and apache.org are mor *nix;Win But hopefullt it will come back up soon (DL site for ant) so I can test it further.. Thanks for the help //CY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:30:14 -0800 (PST) From: hans.van.buitenen@philips.com Subject: Re: MES Serial communication Message-ID: Thanks for your replys, i think i have something to chew on. Guess i will try it the hardware way and/or use contrl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:13:42 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: <00A822C8.6826544C@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Len Whitwer writes: >On Nov 4, 5:35=A0pm, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm >wrote: >> Len Whitwer wrote: >> > Ordered HP Basic LTU for integrity BA347AC "concurrent license" at a >> > list price of $2400.00. Installed on rx2620 system and can only get >> > "ONE >> > USER" on system. >> >> > Get following error when second user tries to use basic. >> >> What does the *first* user do at that time ? >> >> Also post the SHOW LICENCE for the rellevant product. >> >> By "use" you meen running the compiler at the *same time*, right ? >> >> You can easaly "fix" this by running the compiles on a >> batch queue with a JOB_LIMIT=3D1. Or any other way that >> makes only one copy of the compiler been running at a time. >> >> Or wait 10 seconds and re-try the BAS command. >> >> This isn't a major problem. If you have many developers >> on your system, you could probably add 1 or 2 additional >> "users" and have 10-20 developers running without any >> particular problem. >> >> And $2400 isn't that much. You can't get a full copy >> of the Adobe "Master Collection" at that price, and that >> is for one single, single-user system... >> >> I do not see what your problem is... >> >> Jan-Erik. >> >> >> >> >> >> > $ BAS OE001A >> >> > %LICENSE-F-NOAUTH, DEC BASIC use is not authorized on this node >> >> > -LICENSE-F-NOLICENSE, no license is active for this software product >> >> > -LICENSE-I-SYSMGR, please see your system manager >> >> > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows >> >> > image =A0 =A0 module =A0 =A0routine =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 line = >=A0 =A0 =A0rel PC >> > abs PC >> >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 >> > FFFFFFFF80BBEA10 >> >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 FFFFFFFF80BC3960 >> > FFFFFFFF80BC3960 >> >> > BASIC =A0BASICLICENSE =A0BASIC$LICENSE =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 250 000000000000= >0420 >> > 00000000002C1380 >> >> > BASIC =A0BASTARTUP =A0ENV_BASIC_INIT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01185 0000000000= >000030 >> > 0000000000280650 >> >> > BASIC =A0DBASIC_DRIVER =A0GEM_XX_INIT =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0639 0000000000= >000140 >> > 0000000000280140 >> >> > BASIC =A0GEM_CP_VMS =A0GEM_CP_MAIN =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02505 00000000= >00002270 >> > 0000000000641F40 >> >> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 FFFFFFFF80C03700 >> > FFFFFFFF80C03700 >> >> > DCL =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A00 000000000006BA90 >> > 000000007AE27A90 >> >> > %TRACE-I-END, end of TRACE stack dump >> >> > Having hard time believing that cost for ONE USER basic license is >> > $2400.00. >> >> > Has anyone ever seen this??? Say it isn't so!!!! >> >> > -Len Whitwer >> > Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. >> > 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 >> > Woodinville, WA =A098072 >> > e-mail =A0 =A0mailto:l...@psds.com >> > Internet:http://www.psds.com >> > Toll Free: (866)857-0710 >> > Tel: (425) 488-0710 >> > Fax: (425) 488-6414- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >The first user of Basic works just fine. (No Problems) Show license >indicates the license is loaded with a units of "1". But then again >when you so a show license on OVMS "FOE" it also has a units >of "1". (Unlimited license) I'm still not convinced that this BASIC >license shouldn't be unlimited. > >Any other ideas or should I just BUCK UP?? $ SHOW LICENSE/USAGE Some licenses have a unmber of UNITS associated with them and an ACTIVITY charge for using it (ie. CONSTANT=#). So, if you have a license with two units and an activity charge of CONSTANT=1, the licensed product can be used by, for example, two processes. What is the "ACTIVITY" on you VMS FOE license? In your case, the license has UNITS 1 and an ACTIVITY charge of 1; how- ever, I think it is bad form to have the compiler dump because of a lic- ence issue -- it should return a resonable error status and message in- dicating the problem. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:17:10 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: Bob Gezelter wrote: > Len, > > As has been commented, please verify that the license is actually > loaded. If not, the *first* user would not be able to use it, would he ? Note that Len complained about the *second* user. I personaly think that he simply has got a "Concurrent Use" BASIC license with one (1) user currently. The cheaper version is (or was) "Named User" where only a specific username could run the compiler (or whatever). Could also be used with the batch queue with JOB_LIMIT=1 and submitting with /USER=. Jan-Erik. There are two steps to inputting a license: registering the > license in the database, and then loading the license. During the > bootstrap process, all active licenses are loaded as part of one of > the startup phases. If doing this without a reboot, a common error is > to register but fail to load the license. > > Omitting the specific license key, please post the results of a > LICENSE LIST/FULL command for the BASIC compiler (of course, omit the > actual Authorization value). > > If economizing by using the one concurrent user license for the > compiler, there are four options: > - self discipline > - batch queue for compiling with a JOB_LIMIT of 1 > - it is possible to implement something slightly more elegant using > locks (preferable) or logical names (simpler) to allow only one > compile at a time > - use a DECnet TASK object to control access to the compiler for > interactive users > > - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:56:29 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: <0003b648$0$26262$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > I cam recall when a license to run the Fortran compiler on a VAX-11/750 > cost $5000 US. If you wanted the C compiler too, that was ANOTHER > $5000. This was ca. 1985/6. But the C compiler at $5000 (6000 in canada) was for the platform, and you could have concurrent users because the licence was for that machine's type. In its last days, DEC moved away from specific machines towards machine classes (workstation, workgroup, enterprise if I remember correctly). The per-user licence is supposed to be much cheaper and not tied to any type of machine and that is the one which limits concurrent users. If you ordered a licence that was for your machine, were quoted a price of $2400 for the machine, but were given a 1-user licence, then something is not right. Perhaps you should do a licence list/full basic and post it here, I suspect many here would be able to tell you what the product code is and you could check against your invoice to ensure that you got what you paid for. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:59:23 -0000 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: OVMS Integrity BASIC LTU Getting only 1 user at cost of $2400.00??? Message-ID: "Len Whitwer" wrote in message news:dccc0c6d-516e-4c1c-96ae-2cbf83253aee@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com... >Was able to come up with this info which sounds "CLOSE" and might lead >me down the resolution path. What do you think????? This is probably better: http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=ltype ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:09:30 -0800 (PST) From: Ramon Jimenez Subject: Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Message-ID: <678a0533-befb-4fb1-8885-c799bc73839d@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com> > The best method to achieve this type of configuration is to create an > OpenVMS cluster. Bob, I fully agree, the best method is a cluster, but someone has decided not to use. So I must find an alternate way. So, without the cluster option. Is there another way than copying sysuaf.dat and rights.dat files? If I need to switch over can I merge sysuaf files so I do not need a reboot? or would it be better to reboot the machine and replace the sysuaf file? Regards ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:05:20 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0052DF73852574F8_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Some time ago I merged a separate system disk as a root on another existing system disk. It was not trivial. There was a DSNLINK article at one time on how to merge two SYSUAF.DAT and respective RIGHTSLIST.DAT files. Someone here may have a pointer to an achive of those articles. It involved sort/merge and eliminating duplicates and convert. Extra care is needed that the IDENTIFIERS on the two systems are identical, especially if they were created over time on each system; this needs to be checked carefully. Use of ACL's and IDENTIFIERS complicates things. IIRC you need to reboot to get the system to recognize the newest RIGHTSLIST.DAT. Depending on your activity level, if you start even, I would write something to update each independently and compare the results. No reliable tools exist AFAIK. Ramon Jimenez wrote on 11/05/2008 03:09:30 AM: > > > The best method to achieve this type of configuration is to create an > > OpenVMS cluster. > > Bob, > > I fully agree, the best method is a cluster, but someone has > decided not to use. So I must find an alternate way. > > So, without the cluster option. Is there another way than copying > sysuaf.dat and rights.dat files? > > If I need to switch over can I merge sysuaf files so I do not need > a reboot? or would it be better to reboot the machine and replace the > sysuaf file? > > Regards --=_alternative 0052DF73852574F8_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"

Some time ago I merged a separate system disk as a root on another existing system disk.

It was not trivial.  There was a DSNLINK article at one time on how to merge two SYSUAF.DAT
and respective RIGHTSLIST.DAT files.  Someone here may have a pointer to an achive of
those articles.  It involved sort/merge and eliminating duplicates and convert.

Extra care is needed that the IDENTIFIERS on the two systems are identical, especially if they
were created over time on each system; this needs to be checked carefully.  Use of ACL's
and IDENTIFIERS complicates things.


IIRC you need to reboot to get the system to recognize the newest RIGHTSLIST.DAT.
Depending on your activity level, if you start even, I would write something to update each
independently and compare the results.  No reliable tools exist AFAIK.

Ramon Jimenez <rjimen37@ford.com> wrote on 11/05/2008 03:09:30 AM:

>
> > The best method to achieve this type of configuration is to create an
> > OpenVMS cluster.
>
> Bob,
>
>    I fully agree, the best method is a cluster, but someone has
> decided not to use. So I must find an alternate way.
>
>    So, without the cluster option. Is there another way than copying
> sysuaf.dat and rights.dat files?
>
>    If I need to switch over can I merge sysuaf files so I do not need
> a reboot? or would it be better to reboot the machine and replace the
> sysuaf file?
>
> Regards
--=_alternative 0052DF73852574F8_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:43:04 +0000 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Message-ID: <20081105154304.GA2637@mech-cluster238.men.bris.ac.uk> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 10:05:20AM -0500, norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > Ramon Jimenez wrote on 11/05/2008 03:09:30 AM: > > > > > > The best method to achieve this type of configuration is to create an > > > OpenVMS cluster. > > > > Bob, > > > > I fully agree, the best method is a cluster, but someone has > > decided not to use. So I must find an alternate way. > > > > So, without the cluster option. Is there another way than copying > > sysuaf.dat and rights.dat files? > > > > If I need to switch over can I merge sysuaf files so I do not need > > a reboot? or would it be better to reboot the machine and replace the > > sysuaf file? > > > > Regards > > Some time ago I merged a separate system disk as a root on another > existing system disk. > It was not trivial. There was a DSNLINK article at one time on how to > merge two SYSUAF.DAT > and respective RIGHTSLIST.DAT files. Someone here may have a pointer to > an achive of > those articles. It involved sort/merge and eliminating duplicates and > convert. > > Extra care is needed that the IDENTIFIERS on the two systems are > identical, especially if they > were created over time on each system; this needs to be checked carefully. > Use of ACL's > and IDENTIFIERS complicates things. > > > IIRC you need to reboot to get the system to recognize the newest > RIGHTSLIST.DAT. > Depending on your activity level, if you start even, I would write > something to update each > independently and compare the results. No reliable tools exist AFAIK. refer also to section 5.22 "Can I copy SYSUAF to another version? To VAX? To Alpha?" of the FAQ manual, and to App. B of the OpenVMS Cluster Systems manual. anton -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:00:57 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Message-ID: <0003b753$0$26262$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Ramon Jimenez wrote: > So, without the cluster option. Is there another way than copying > sysuaf.dat and rights.dat files? Would defining SYSUAF and RIGHSLISTS to point to a decnet file specification work ? aka DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC SYSUAF othernode::SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT This would be quite a dog in terms of performance, and you may have to setup various proxies. You could have a detached process that regularly checks the modified date on the sysuaf/rightlists and copy them over to the other node when those dates are different than the previous pass. Remember to advise your users that in the case of a failover, it is possible that a new password recently changed was reverted and they would need to change it again. ( you would also need to consider copying the password history file as well). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:34:08 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Synchronizing SYSUAF between independent machines Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0065FD44852574F8_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" JF Mezei wrote on 11/05/2008 01:00:57 PM: > Ramon Jimenez wrote: > > > So, without the cluster option. Is there another way than copying > > sysuaf.dat and rights.dat files? > > > Would defining SYSUAF and RIGHSLISTS to point to a decnet file > specification work ? > > aka DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC SYSUAF othernode::SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT > > This would be quite a dog in terms of performance, and you may have to > setup various proxies. > > You could have a detached process that regularly checks the modified > date on the sysuaf/rightlists and copy them over to the other node when > those dates are different than the previous pass. > > Remember to advise your users that in the case of a failover, it is > possible that a new password recently changed was reverted and they > would need to change it again. > > ( you would also need to consider copying the password history file as > well). Yes, and copy the password and password seed fields to the other SYSUAF (I had a program around once to do that, too.) --=_alternative 0065FD44852574F8_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote on 11/05/2008 01:00:57 PM:

> Ramon Jimenez wrote:
>
> >    So, without the cluster option. Is there another way than copying
> > sysuaf.dat and rights.dat files?
>
>
> Would defining SYSUAF and RIGHSLISTS to point to a decnet file
> specification work ?
>
> aka DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC SYSUAF othernode::SYS$SYSTEM:SYSUAF.DAT
>
> This would be quite a dog in terms of performance, and you may have to
> setup various proxies.
>
> You could have a detached process that regularly checks the modified
> date on the sysuaf/rightlists and copy them over to the other node when
> those dates are different than the previous pass.
>
> Remember to advise your users that in the case of a failover, it is
> possible that a new password recently changed was reverted and they
> would need to change it again.
>
> ( you would also need to consider copying the password history file as
> well).

Yes, and copy the password and password seed fields to the other SYSUAF
(I had a program around once to do that, too.)
--=_alternative 0065FD44852574F8_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:47:59 -0800 (PST) From: urbancamo Subject: WPSPLUS on Layered Products? Message-ID: <623ac107-4e5d-456d-b9b5-caad3eaaa10a@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> Bit of an arcane query I know, but was WPSPLUS included on the Alpha Layered Products distributions at all? If so, does any one know approx. what year or VMS version it was last seen on? Thanks, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:41:55 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: WPSPLUS on Layered Products? Message-ID: <0pudnUbi9IE4LYzUnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@giganews.com> urbancamo wrote: > Bit of an arcane query I know, but was WPSPLUS included on the Alpha > Layered Products distributions at all? If so, does any one know > approx. what year or VMS version it was last seen on? > > Thanks, Mark. If you are trying to retrieve an ancient document, or a collection of ancient documents, I know a man who specializes in doing just that. He has copies of antique software, carefully preserved antique hardware, etc, etc. He can read your antique files and print out the text, or even convert to modern media and file formats. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:08:43 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: WPSPLUS on Layered Products? Message-ID: <0003b926$0$26286$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> urbancamo wrote: > Bit of an arcane query I know, but was WPSPLUS included on the Alpha > Layered Products distributions at all? If so, does any one know > approx. what year or VMS version it was last seen on? On the 1995 VAX distribution, standalone WPS-PLUS was not included. On a may 1992 VAX distribution WPSPLUS 4.1 was included. I am not sure the standalone WPSPLUS product ever made it to Alpha. (But WPSPLUS was ported to Alpha as part of ALL-IN-1). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:20:36 -0800 (PST) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: WPSPLUS on Layered Products? Message-ID: <52e706a3-afe1-4147-b6dd-15fcc6e66a74@r37g2000prr.googlegroups.com> On 5 Nov, 18:08, JF Mezei wrote: > urbancamo wrote: > > Bit of an arcane query I know, but was WPSPLUS included on the Alpha > > Layered Products distributions at all? If so, does any one know > > approx. what year or VMS version it was last seen on? > > On the 1995 VAX distribution, standalone WPS-PLUS was not included. > > On a may 1992 VAX distribution WPSPLUS 4.1 was included. > > I am not sure the standalone WPSPLUS product ever made it to Alpha. (But > WPSPLUS was ported to Alpha as part of ALL-IN-1). I don't believe that standalone WPSPlus made it to Alpha. In fact, I'm 99.99% sure it didn't. I think it had been discontinued prior to the porting of layered products to Alpha. Users tended, in my limited experience at that time, to be moving to PC systems or to WordPerfect which was ported to Alpha but was pretty expensive IIRC. Steve ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.599 ************************