INFO-VAX Sun, 05 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 537 Contents: Re: OT: Understanding Moore's Law Re: OT: USA the fleecing of USA banks by Wall Street Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 12:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: OT: Understanding Moore's Law Message-ID: On Sep 30, 11:38=A0am, Neil Rieck wrote: > Understanding Moore's Lawhttp://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/moore= .ars > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ Off topic perhaps but useful and relevant, unlike a lot of the posts this week. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:37:07 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: USA the fleecing of USA banks by Wall Street Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >>> >>>> AEF wrote: >>>>> But while describing all the bad things that >>>>> homeowners did she adds the following parenthetical remark: "Those who >>>>> were lied to by bookers about the reset rates on adjustable-rate >>>>> mortgages and other elements of their loans are in a different >>>>> category." >>>> Those people appear, to me, to have failed to read and understand what >>>> they agreed to. It does not matter, legally, what they were told. >>> Well, at least in Sweden, it does matter *a lot* what your >>> bankman actual *told* you ! There has been quite a few cases >>> where peoples has got their right against some bank that >>> had talked them into some business. >>> >> In the U.S. a verbal agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on! >> Honest men generally do as they have promised but if matters get to >> court, it's the written agreement that counts, not what the parties >> agreed to verbally. > > ...and produce any piece of paper, no matter how dubious its veracity, and > the courts will entertain it, especially if the plaintiff is the source of > its production! US courts need to cease playing the plaintiff favoritism > gambit and yielding to the financial fianchetto of the opening movers! It > makes for a difficult game to win. > I find it a little difficult to believe that the courts will "entertain" just any bit of paper! If the paper contains some sort of written agreement and the signatures of both parties to the agreement, THEN the court may be expected to take it seriously. If the signatures are witnessed, the court would be likely to take that piece of paper very seriously. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:44:50 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: <48e80e02$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> John Reagan wrote: > "Bill Gunshannon" wrote in message > news:6kektkF7h5bdU2@mid.individual.net... >> WRITELN is Pascal. I suspect WRITEV is either some obscure old VMS >> extension to Pascal or a locally written procedure which would go a >> long way in explaining why it is apparently not upward compatable. >> > > Not obscure to an OpenVMS Pascal programmer. Just the equivalent of ENCODE > for you old obscure Fortran programmers. Newer Fortrans (77 !) allow for standard WRITE and READ for this functionality. But almost all languages has this functionality. C sprintf is one of the more well known. > And since our compiler along with 90% of its features/extensions is from the > 1980s, by definition, everything is old (including me). You can't remove a feature. And I guess the demand for new features has been "non overwhelming" the last decade or so. Too bad. But that is reality. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:46:55 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: <48e80e7d$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article , > "John Reagan" writes: >> "Bill Gunshannon" wrote in message >> news:6kektkF7h5bdU2@mid.individual.net... >>> WRITELN is Pascal. I suspect WRITEV is either some obscure old VMS >>> extension to Pascal or a locally written procedure which would go a >>> long way in explaining why it is apparently not upward compatable. >>> >> Not obscure to an OpenVMS Pascal programmer. Just the equivalent of ENCODE >> for you old obscure Fortran programmers. WRITEV was included in the >> Extended Pascal standard in 1989 with a slightly different name of WRITESTR. >> >> And since our compiler along with 90% of its features/extensions is from the >> 1980s, by definition, everything is old (including me). > > > I didn't mean "obscure" in a bad way. Just that it was not a part of > any Pascal Standard (defined or de facto). And the fact that a long > time VMSer like Bob didn't seem to know it made it seem even more obscure. > I started doing Pascal around 1980 and used it extensively for a number > of years and still do some once in a while. I used VMS Pascal quite a > bit in the past. When I started where it was the language du jour for > the first couple of undergrad courses teaching programming basics. I > had never seen or heard of WRITEV until this thread. People are different. I used it all the time. $ sh def DISK2:[ARNE] $ sear [...]*.pas writev /noout /stat Files searched: 110 Buffered I/O count: 1354 Records searched: 14103 Direct I/O count: 395 Characters searched: 376761 Page faults: 36 Records matched: 24 Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.81 Lines printed: 0 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:03.04 Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:58:09 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:44:50 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > C sprintf is one of the more well known. You mean better than PUT STRING? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.537 ************************