INFO-VAX Wed, 27 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 469 Contents: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA Re: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA Re: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA Re: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA browser based VT emulator? Re: CD written on Alpha won't mount on Integrity DVD ROM Re: Dat Files Re: Dat Files Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? OT Legacy was: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: [RBL] Current status? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Subject: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA Message-ID: <70aa6100-2f0a-4a70-8242-cc10cdf92e4f@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> I am currently trying to get a Vista machine (Enterprise edition) to connect to Advanced Server 7.3B. When I try to connect with the usual domain\username & password, I get a "Logon unsuccessful... windows is unable to log you on" message. I have tested with the security policy on the Vista machine set to "LAN Manager authentication level = Send LM & NTLM - user NTLMv2 if negotiated", but it doesn't work. Nothing shows up in the Advanced Server event log to indicate what the problem is (show events), even though I have "failed logon event logging" enabled. Multiple attempts disables the account (5 bad password attempts are allowed), so the server is being reached and the username is passed correctly, but apparently not the password... ? Any ideas? (p.s. I posted this same message in the ITRC VMS forum.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:47:01 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:25:20 -0700, Bobby wrote: > I am currently trying to get a Vista machine (Enterprise edition) to > connect to Advanced Server 7.3B. When I try to connect with the usual > domain\username & password, I get a "Logon unsuccessful... windows is > unable to log you on" message. I have tested with the security policy > on the Vista machine set to "LAN Manager authentication level =3D Send= > LM & NTLM - user NTLMv2 if negotiated", but it doesn't work. Nothing > shows up in the Advanced Server event log to indicate what the problem= > is (show events), even though I have "failed logon event logging" > enabled. Multiple attempts disables the account (5 bad password > attempts are allowed), so the server is being reached and the username= > is passed correctly, but apparently not the password... ? > > Any ideas? > > (p.s. I posted this same message in the ITRC VMS forum.) Don't if this would help, but if you install WASD and try the same thing= turning on the logs you might get more information helping to determine if it is a client or server problem. -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA Message-ID: On Aug 27, 9:25=A0am, Bobby wrote: > I am currently trying to get a Vista machine (Enterprise edition) to > connect to Advanced Server 7.3B. When I try to connect with the usual > domain\username & password, I get a "Logon unsuccessful... windows is > unable to log you on" message. I have tested with the security policy > on the Vista machine set to "LAN Manager authentication level =3D Send > LM & NTLM - user NTLMv2 if negotiated", but it doesn't work. Nothing > shows up in the Advanced Server event log to indicate what the problem > is (show events), even though I have "failed logon event logging" > enabled. Multiple attempts disables the account (5 bad password > attempts are allowed), so the server is being reached and the username > is passed correctly, but apparently not the password... ? > > Any ideas? > > (p.s. I posted this same message in the ITRC VMS forum.) Look in Security Policies (secpol.msc) to see if: Domain Member: Digitally Encrypt sign secure channel data (always) - disabled ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobby Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA Message-ID: <0761f742-74b1-4a34-961a-c5f324ed5d51@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Aug 27, 11:36=A0am, Doug Phillips wrote: > On Aug 27, 9:25=A0am, Bobby wrote: > > > I am currently trying to get a Vista machine (Enterprise edition) to > > connect to Advanced Server 7.3B. When I try to connect with the usual > > domain\username & password, I get a "Logon unsuccessful... windows is > > unable to log you on" message. I have tested with the security policy > > on the Vista machine set to "LAN Manager authentication level =3D Send > > LM & NTLM - user NTLMv2 if negotiated", but it doesn't work. Nothing > > shows up in the Advanced Server event log to indicate what the problem > > is (show events), even though I have "failed logon event logging" > > enabled. Multiple attempts disables the account (5 bad password > > attempts are allowed), so the server is being reached and the username > > is passed correctly, but apparently not the password... ? > > > Any ideas? > > > (p.s. I posted this same message in the ITRC VMS forum.) > > Look in Security Policies (secpol.msc) to see if: > > Domain Member: Digitally Encrypt sign secure channel data (always) - > disabled Thank you for the suggestion. I checked this setting on the Vista machine and also on a XP machine that is working correctly. The XP machine has the setting "enabled", while the Vista machine was "disabled". I enabled the setting on Vista to test and rebooted, but it didn't work. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:08:27 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: browser based VT emulator? Message-ID: Hi. I'd just like to ask if anyone has tested any of the web (browser) based VT-emulators available ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jose Baars Subject: Re: CD written on Alpha won't mount on Integrity DVD ROM Message-ID: On 18 aug, 19:50, Bob Blunt wrote: > So unless you're using CD or DVD drives with the exact same features and > compatibilities on all the systems, it feels to me like you've got > mismatched formats and the more modern drive can't read the older > drive's output. In my experiments I used a year old samsung IDE drive ( 20 euro in any PC part shop) to write the CD's on Alpha VMS 8.3. Maybe that's too old for the Itanium drives, but it sure gives me the idea that it is mainly an issue with the Itanium drives being picky. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: Dat Files Message-ID: On Aug 26, 4:23 pm, Chico Che wrote: > Bob Gezelter wrote in news:67f8fafd-9a50-4372-9661- > 0766d8f24...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > > > sequential or indexed > > Thanks a lot for your help, the ANALYZE/RMS does give you info I needed. > One question, I get fields that fit but at end it seems there is extra data > that seems it's like comment or addl desc but no point in the analyze > command that gives me this. Any ideas? Chico, ANALYZE/RMS will report information about the keyed fields, namely the fields that are accessible using indexed operations. ANALYZE/RMS cannot display any information about the non-key fields in the file, as that information is not present in the file. As Richard has mentioned in his response, that information must be retrieved from the source code or similar source. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 07:44:07 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Dat Files Message-ID: In article , Chico Che writes: > I have an OpenVMS Alpah System that has RMS data files. I have a .dat file > that if edited you can see clearly fixed length fields in there. The > question I have where would I find the files that would tell me what field > is what and the length of that field. So I can know the data structure of > the dat file. Nit: almost all files on a VMS system are RMS files. You probably need to look at the source program that wrote it. If RMS is tracking it as fixed length records, then divisions within the record are unknown to the OS. If RMS is tracking it as a keyed-indexed file then only the key field(s) are known to the OS. DIRECTORY/FULL will show you how RMS is tracking it. ANALYZE/RMS/FDL will write an .FDL file describing the known details, which is usefull if it is keyed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:32:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: On Aug 25, 2:11=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > johnwalla...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > I personally have no idea why Cisco bought Linksys, > > Cisco did not have any low cost products. And it was a bit like DEC, not > wanting to start producing low cost products for SOHO and residential > markets because large enterprises would buy those instead of the more > profitable high end Cisco gear. > Correct. Ten years ago, we attempted to purchase a CISCO Firewall (PIX?) for our VAX-6430. The starting price was $6000 which went up with more features. After my boss recovered from his sticker-shock induced heart attack, I suggested we trial a LinkSys BEFSR41 (which was only $200 at that time) since our expected traffic really didn't justify anything larger. The LinkSys worked perfectly for 6 years before it died. That day I went over to Office Depot and bought two more (one spare) for about the same original price. So I am assuming that CISCO bought LinkSys just so they could replace the hole in their product line. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: On Aug 26, 6:44=A0am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: =2E..snip... > I love it when people throw that term "legacy" around to push their own > agendas. Me too. When I retire from my current job I`m thinking of starting a consulting business that will me named something like "Legacy Computer Company" (now don`t you people steal my idea). That way, idustry sideliners will be over-hearing conversations with "legacy-this" and "legacy-that" and I will get be receiving free advertising :-) > Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a > polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they > prefer is not that which they view as the current direction. > My day-to-day observations tell me that "legacy" is a synonym for "works 24x7" Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <37e3f5f8-7ff5-4352-ab4c-4647bf580cf6@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Aug 26, 10:06=A0am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: [...snip...] > > I have always found this an interesting comment. =A0My first real foray i= nto > the world of Microcomputers (as a professional rather than as a hacker) w= as > on an LSI-11/02 (Terak). =A0I got the =A0assigned the project because all= my > co-workers (mainframe programmers) said that there was no way one could d= o > anything usefull in 28K Words of memory. > > I wrote a Data-entry package, a file transfer package (to upload the data= - > entry stuff), a program to read input from an optical scanner and a bunch > of other things. =A0I also had fun setting up the biggest Terak config an= y > one there had ever seen. =A0Anyone else ever try doing RT-11 COBOL =A0wit= h > nothing but 4 8" floppies for data storage? =A0:-) > Yes. Both FORTRAN and BASIC on RT-11. That OS was really ahead of its time. (well for a non-GUI OS it was well ahead of MS-DOS, PC-DOS, and CP/M) Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:04:41 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: > On Aug 26, 6:44 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > ...snip... >> I love it when people throw that term "legacy" around to push their own >> agendas. > > Me too. When I retire from my current job I`m thinking of starting a > consulting business that will me named something like "Legacy Computer > Company" (now don`t you people steal my idea). That way, idustry > sideliners will be over-hearing conversations with "legacy-this" and > "legacy-that" and I will get be receiving free advertising > > :-) > >> Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a >> polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they >> prefer is not that which they view as the current direction. >> > > My day-to-day observations tell me that "legacy" is a synonym for > "works 24x7" > Hang on to that legacy job!! There are very few legacy jobs available! ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 12:05:04 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <6hku7gFmlte0U1@mid.individual.net> In article <37e3f5f8-7ff5-4352-ab4c-4647bf580cf6@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: > On Aug 26, 10:06 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > [...snip...] >> >> I have always found this an interesting comment.  My first real foray into >> the world of Microcomputers (as a professional rather than as a hacker) was >> on an LSI-11/02 (Terak).  I got the  assigned the project because all my >> co-workers (mainframe programmers) said that there was no way one could do >> anything usefull in 28K Words of memory. >> >> I wrote a Data-entry package, a file transfer package (to upload the data- >> entry stuff), a program to read input from an optical scanner and a bunch >> of other things.  I also had fun setting up the biggest Terak config any >> one there had ever seen.  Anyone else ever try doing RT-11 COBOL  with >> nothing but 4 8" floppies for data storage?  :-) >> > Yes. Both FORTRAN and BASIC on RT-11. That OS was really ahead of its > time. (well for a non-GUI OS it was well ahead of MS-DOS, PC-DOS, and > CP/M) How? With the exception of the Realtime stuff, which probably made up the smallest segment of its users, it seemed to me that it was used pretty much like CP/M and MSDOS/PCDOS came years later. There was much more usable software than any of those other OSes but as for use, it was just CP/M for the PDP family. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 12:09:11 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <6hkuf7Fmlte0U2@mid.individual.net> In article , Neil Rieck writes: > On Aug 26, 6:44 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > ...snip... >> I love it when people throw that term "legacy" around to push their own >> agendas. > Me too. When I retire from my current job I`m thinking of starting a > consulting business that will me named something like "Legacy Computer > Company" (now don`t you people steal my idea). That way, idustry > sideliners will be over-hearing conversations with "legacy-this" and > "legacy-that" and I will get be receiving free advertising >:-) >> Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a >> polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they >> prefer is not that which they view as the current direction. >> > My day-to-day observations tell me that "legacy" is a synonym for > "works 24x7" Actually, "legacy" is a term the industry has for any system who's owners have let slide to the point that it is irrelevant to the rest of the industry. It isn't VMS's detractors who have labeled it "legacy". That is totally the result of DEC, Compaq and HP's treatment of the product. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 07:32:56 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <48b427b4$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: >> >> Where did you saw the patches for VAX V7.3? >> May I have it? > > I saw the announcement on Eisner. I take that back. I misread one of the Alpha patches. If you have a VAX, despite HP promising support for 7.3, you are SOL for now. This could be due to DEC's mistake over a decade ago of splitting the VAX and Alpha sources. Everything done on the Alpha and I64 sources (which were not split) has to be done over on VAX. Anybody in software maintenance knows, when you make a copy you double the maintenance effort. Oh, well, at that time DEC still thought they were a hardwre vendor. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 07:38:53 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: In article , Neil Rieck writes: > > Me too. When I retire from my current job I`m thinking of starting a > consulting business that will me named something like "Legacy Computer > Company" (now don`t you people steal my idea). That way, idustry > sideliners will be over-hearing conversations with "legacy-this" and > "legacy-that" and I will get be receiving free advertising You're going to compete with Tim's Trailing Edge? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:31:55 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > Since the "RT" in RT-11 stands for real-time, I'd never even looked > for a COBOL compiler. We used Time Shared Dibol (TSD) on RT-11, and it was a very effective business tool. We did interactive sales and purchase order processing, stock control and accounts with it. It was quite revolutionary at the time, as all our competitors were still doing batch processing on mainframes (some had data entry screens, but the majority were still on punch cards). -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:12:33 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: Hi. Many years back I used JetForm for printed form processing on VMS (mVAX 3100/90 at the time). This works just OK. JetForm Design was used on a Windows PC to "design" the forms and then JetForm Merge was run on the VMS box to "merge" the application data with the forms and printed on standard lasers, usualy HP LaserJet 4's at the time. As far as I have found out, JetForm was bought by Adobe and VMS support was dropped some years ago. Now, is there anything available today similar to this tools ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:22:54 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0059F827852574B2_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote on 08/27/2008=20 12:12:33 PM: > Hi. >=20 > Many years back I used JetForm for printed form > processing on VMS (mVAX 3100/90 at the time). > This works just OK. JetForm Design was used on > a Windows PC to "design" the forms and then > JetForm Merge was run on the VMS box to "merge" > the application data with the forms and printed > on standard lasers, usualy HP LaserJet 4's at the > time. >=20 > As far as I have found out, JetForm was bought > by Adobe and VMS support was dropped some years ago. >=20 > Now, is there anything available today similar > to this tools ? >=20 > Jan-Erik. FlexForm Software CONTACT Contact Productive Systems, Inc using one of the forms at the left, or=20 directly to one of the offices listed here. Home Office:=20 Productive Systems, Inc.=20 2610 Bond Street Rochester Hills, MI 48309 Tel: 248.853.7500=20 Fax: 248.853.1460=20 European Support Office:=20 PSI Europe LTD. c/o King & Taylor=20 10-12 Wrotham Road=20 Gravesend, Kent DA11 0PE=20 =A9Productive Systems, Inc all rights reserved email info@flexform.com 2610 Bond Street Rochester Hills, MI 48309 248.853.7500=20 [Disclaimer: I have no beneficial interest. 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Jan-Erik S=F6derholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.co= m> wrote on 08/27/2008 12:12:33 PM:

> Hi.
>
> Many years back I used JetForm for printed form
> processing on VMS (mVAX 3100/90 at the time).
> This works just OK. JetForm Design was used on
> a Windows PC to "design" the forms and then
> JetForm Merge was run on the VMS box to "merge"
> the application data with the forms and printed
> on standard lasers, usualy HP LaserJet 4's at the
> time.
>
> As far as I have found out, JetForm was bought
> by Adobe and VMS support was dropped some years ago.
>
> Now, is there anything available today similar
> to this tools ?
>
> Jan-Erik.


FlexForm Software

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[Disclaimer:  I have no beneficial interest. &nb= sp;I just use it.] --=_alternative 0059F827852574B2_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:43:21 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote on 08/27/2008 > 12:12:33 PM: > > > Hi. > > > > Many years back I used JetForm for printed form > > processing on VMS (mVAX 3100/90 at the time). > > This works just OK. JetForm Design was used on > > a Windows PC to "design" the forms and then > > JetForm Merge was run on the VMS box to "merge" > > the application data with the forms and printed > > on standard lasers, usualy HP LaserJet 4's at the > > time. > > > > As far as I have found out, JetForm was bought > > by Adobe and VMS support was dropped some years ago. > > > > Now, is there anything available today similar > > to this tools ? > > > > Jan-Erik. > > FlexForm Software > > *CONTACT* > > Contact Productive Systems, Inc using one of the forms at the left, or > directly to one of the offices listed here. > > *Home Office:* > Productive Systems, Inc. > 2610 Bond Street > Rochester Hills, MI 48309 > Tel: 248.853.7500 > > Fax: 248.853.1460 > > *European Support Office:* > PSI Europe LTD. > c/o King & Taylor > 10-12 Wrotham Road > Gravesend, Kent DA11 0PE > > ©Productive Systems, Inc all rights reserved > > email _info@flexform.com_ > > 2610 Bond Street > Rochester Hills, MI 48309 > 248.853.7500 > > [Disclaimer: I have no beneficial interest. I just use it.] > OK, I've mailed them. Their web site was a bit "thin", so I've asked for further info. Are you able to describe a little deaper how you're using this product(s) ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:51:21 -0700 From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Hi. > > Many years back I used JetForm for printed form > processing on VMS (mVAX 3100/90 at the time). > This works just OK. JetForm Design was used on > a Windows PC to "design" the forms and then > JetForm Merge was run on the VMS box to "merge" > the application data with the forms and printed > on standard lasers, usualy HP LaserJet 4's at the > time. > > As far as I have found out, JetForm was bought > by Adobe and VMS support was dropped some years ago. > > Now, is there anything available today similar > to this tools ? > > Jan-Erik. If the data is test you can write the form in Postscript and put it into the device control library. The postscript reads the rest of the print stream as data and controls printing. I can give you samples if you are interested. Jeff Coffield www.digitalsynergyinc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:10:57 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote: > > > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> Hi. >> >> Many years back I used JetForm for printed form >> processing on VMS (mVAX 3100/90 at the time). >> This works just OK. JetForm Design was used on >> a Windows PC to "design" the forms and then >> JetForm Merge was run on the VMS box to "merge" >> the application data with the forms and printed >> on standard lasers, usualy HP LaserJet 4's at the >> time. >> >> As far as I have found out, JetForm was bought >> by Adobe and VMS support was dropped some years ago. >> >> Now, is there anything available today similar >> to this tools ? >> >> Jan-Erik. > > If the data is test you can write the form in Postscript and put it into > the device control library. The postscript reads the rest of the print > stream as data and controls printing. I can give you samples if you are > interested. > > Jeff Coffield > www.digitalsynergyinc.com Yes, as an alternative method it might be intersting. The problem might be producing the PS "source" to put into the devctl lib, I guess. If you have someting you'd like to mail, you can find my email adress here : http://www.jescab.se/Kontakt1.htm I can add that the "form printing" is run directly from COBOL apps using simple text format with some PCL "commands" today. It's a lot of application changes for any changes to the "forms". The whole form is in the DATA DIVISION... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:37:29 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: OT Legacy was: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:09:11 -0700, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > Actually, "legacy" is a term the industry has for any system who's > owners have let slide to the point that it is irrelevant to the rest > of the industry. It isn't VMS's detractors who have labeled it > "legacy". That is totally the result of DEC, Compaq and HP's treatment > of the product. On mainframes, Websphere makes legacy applications current -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:17:42 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: <4cf0d3d4-abca-4619-a656-f24d57fab1a6@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> SMGRTL patches are now MUP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:24:31 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: <00A7EBA6.CB09275E@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <4cf0d3d4-abca-4619-a656-f24d57fab1a6@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller writes: >SMGRTL patches are now MUP :) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 07:34:19 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: The released patches for Alpha and I64 have been re-released as MUPs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:36:00 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: <00A7EBA8.6600594B@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <00A7EBA6.CB09275E@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >In article <4cf0d3d4-abca-4619-a656-f24d57fab1a6@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller writes: >>SMGRTL patches are now MUP > >:) This reads much better than the original patch kit description: MUP : Must be installed by all customers. This patch kit is a Mandatory Update kit (MUP). It corrects a critical issue which, if left uncorrected, could result in a non-privileged user compromising system security. All users must install this patch as early as possible. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 07:37:13 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: In article , DaveG writes: > > The engineers are working through the version matrix. There is a MUP > in the works for VAX V7.3 which will be out shortly. My understanding > is they were unable to reproduce the problem on V6.2 VAX. The fixes > are being rolled out in a priority order and we will continue to work > through the version matrix with the focus on supported versions. Good news. Now I wonder if we can get them to follow DEC's lead and bother with the unsupported versions for such a high visibility MUP. I know of sites running 4.7, 5.5-2, and 6.1 on VAXen and Alphas. The 4.7 system didn't have an IP stack loaded last time I looked, so the finger problem is not an issue for them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: On Aug 27, 7:37=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , DaveG writes: > > > > > The engineers are working through the version matrix. There is a MUP > > in the works for VAX V7.3 which will be out shortly. =A0My understandin= g > > is they were unable to reproduce the problem on V6.2 VAX. The fixes > > are being rolled out in a priority order and we will continue to work > > through the version matrix with the focus on supported versions. > > =A0 =A0Good news. =A0Now I wonder if we can get them to follow DEC's lead > =A0 =A0and bother with the unsupported versions for such a high visibilit= y > =A0 =A0MUP. > > =A0 =A0I know of sites running 4.7, 5.5-2, and 6.1 on VAXen and Alphas. > =A0 =A0The 4.7 system didn't have an IP stack loaded last time I looked, > =A0 =A0so the finger problem is not an issue for them. I just noticed on the ITRC patch site that the newly dubbed MUP is on page 5, which is the last page, for 7.3-2 While I can't speak for others, I rarely look at page 5. That's where most of the "older stuff" lives. Also noticed that the "other" 732 MUP lives on page 1. What was that line the Joker uttered that might fit here? Hint: the boat scene on **page 5** (aka late) in the movie. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:39:41 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: In article <00A7E878.73FD4197@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article > , FrankS > writes: > >On Aug 22, 5:00=A0am, "P. Sture" wrote: > >> I'd definitely recommend getting a spare pair, not only as a counter for > >> forgetfulness, but in case of a system failure (in my case the > >> unexpected chewing of my first pair by a puppy!). > > > >WalMart, K-Mart, and their ilk are your friend in this particular > >case. I've got 6 pairs of very cheap ($6 - $12) reading glasses > >scattered around the house and car. I even have one pair expressly to > >be left in the briefcase to avoid travelling mishaps. :-) > > My Rx was a little more than cheap reading glasses... not at $400! > Likewise. I need the proper prescription variety for driving. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:41:17 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: In article <4cf0d3d4-abca-4619-a656-f24d57fab1a6@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller wrote: > SMGRTL patches are now MUP Thanks for the update Ian. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: <30b24dc5-d696-48f4-94e0-b4c76f3fee09@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Aug 27, 9:42=A0am, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article > <439d166b-5e38-4f8a-b7d4-f8535d1f9...@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, > > =A0DaveG wrote: > > > > FWIW, I sent Ann Mc... a comment regarding the MUP Vs Install 1 > > > thingie.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Got a reply. =A0Was told the SMGRTL patch will become a MUP. =A0Will al= so > > be included as such in the next release of OpenVMS. > > > They listened. > > Thanks Dave. > > -- > Paul Sture Your welcome. And if you have 1:50 minutes to spare the following might be instructive. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlRmmHPE8EvA Think Enterprise =3D OpenVMS and see how things shape up. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 11:50:59 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: [RBL] Current status? Message-ID: <48b53fa3$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , "John E. Malmberg" writes: > >The list.dsbl.org zones are empty as according to their web page they >had a server failure according to http://www.dsbl.org/. But this was in June 08. Should be filled up (a little bit) in the meantime... But, you're right. Question is, if it grows again to full service (as messages in the forum about "remove IP xxxx" are not expected there) -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTÖGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail Peter@LANGSTOeGER.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.469 ************************