INFO-VAX Mon, 19 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 278 Contents: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Re: Bookreader files on a PC VAX Media Re: VAX Media Re: VAX Media Re: VAX Media Re: VAX Media Re: VAX Media Re: VAX Media Re: Volume sets - yes, they can be very useful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 07:15:05 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: Hi Ian, Let me guess; Robert Mugabe won? Cheers Richard Maher "IanMiller" wrote in message news:32189c77-b8f6-47c2-a9e3-0a043627ee87@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > Don't forget to nominate your favourite VMS related companies, > Nominations close tonight. Voting starts tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:45:48 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: <4830c061$0$12299$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Voting began on saturday may 17th. The voting page is at: http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=RCA2007 However, someone has been messing with the timeline (doctor who again ?) and the page is stuck in time, still announcing that the voting page will be available on saturday may 17th. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 07:50:35 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: Wrong middleware-for-middlware in the Tardis :-) Ann "Web Services" McQuaid to the rescue :-( Cheers Richard Maher "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:4830c061$0$12299$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > Voting began on saturday may 17th. > > The voting page is at: > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=RCA2007 > > However, someone has been messing with the timeline (doctor who again ?) > and the page is stuck in time, still announcing that the voting page > will be available on saturday may 17th. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2008 14:52:26 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Bookreader files on a PC Message-ID: In article , Slor writes: > > Can anyone point me in the right direction? Besides following up here, > feel free to reach me directly by reversing each segment of my public email > address. The Windows versions of the reading tools were included on the later copies of the CDs, but I don't recall ever seeing them on the 'net. ------------------------------ Date: 18 May 2008 19:47:01 GMT From: AJ Schroeder Subject: VAX Media Message-ID: Hello group, I just aquired a VAX 6000 from a dumpster dive and I went to www.openvmshobbyist.org to try and get the installation media it says that they are out of stock. Does anyone know where I could get installation media for VAX? Or do I even need it if I am planning on using it as a satellite node in an alpha cluster? Thanks, AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 15:59:26 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: <48308A9E.40100@comcast.net> AJ Schroeder wrote: > Hello group, > > I just aquired a VAX 6000 from a dumpster dive and I went to > www.openvmshobbyist.org to try and get the installation media it says that > they are out of stock. Does anyone know where I could get installation > media for VAX? Or do I even need it if I am planning on using it as a > satellite node in an alpha cluster? Where are you located? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:28:08 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: <4830927d$0$15377$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> AJ Schroeder wrote: > I just aquired a VAX 6000 from a dumpster dive Imagine if such a message had been made back in 1987/1990 timeframe. > they are out of stock. Does anyone know where I could get installation > media for VAX? I believe you can $till buy it from HP, if you are ready to spend 4 weeks blattling drones to get to one that knows how to punch in thse old DEC product numbers. 7.3 is the last VAX version. 7.2 is the last one with all features, but 7.3 is the one that can mount ODS5 disks and access them with some limits. If all else fails, I could make it available to you for download. you can contact me by removing the spamnot from email address. >Or do I even need it if I am planning on using it as a > satellite node in an alpha cluster? Yes you do. The OS and layered products are completely different on vax and alpha. If you plan on booting the vax as satellite from the alpha, the alpha will need a real disk dedicated to the VAX operating system. YOu can then load that disk with the VAX operating system. I say "real" disk because it must be MSCP shareable in a cluster. AKA: you cannot share the alpha operating system disk with the VAX operating system disk. But if you have 2 spearate disks on your alpha cluster, you can then use one of the disks to act as a boot disk for the vax and it will work (although it is not officially supported). You can do an image backup of the media file to populate the new VAX disk, and then get the VAX to boot from that disk via ethernet and run the installation procedure from it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:59:20 -0400 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: <48306068.27845.D8622A@infovax.stanq.com> AJ Schroeder wrote: > Or do I even need it if I am planning on using it as a > satellite node in an alpha cluster? The VAX is a completely different processor. So you'll need the VAX version of VMS to install on it, not the Alpha (nor the Itanium). What version of VMS are the Alphas running? You'll want to install something reasonably comparable. --Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:08:11 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: In article <4830927d$0$15377$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > DEC product numbers. 7.3 is the last VAX version. 7.2 is the last one > with all features, but 7.3 is the one that can mount ODS5 disks and > access them with some limits. Explain "the last one with all features". What features were removed from 7.3? IIRC, 7.3 offers some features which 7.2 doesn't. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:16:29 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: <4830ab88$0$7312$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > Explain "the last one with all features". What features were removed > from 7.3? IIRC, 7.3 offers some features which 7.2 doesn't. By removing display postscript for instance, one needs to update many layered products and some no longer work on 7.3. 7.2 is the last one with the Digital logo for login screen on decwindows. That is a big loss. Because 7.3 does not have all the DCL features as 8.3, you still need to either refrain from using 8.3 features in a mixed cluster, or have separate procedures for VAX/Alpha, so moving from 7.2 to 7.3 doesn't solve that problem. If they had, as promised in their roadmap, brough VAX up to 8.x with the same features at the DCL level, then the loss of display postscript would have been compensated by all the new features that Guy Peleg had added to 8.3's DCL. But moving from 7.2 to 7.3 doesn't bring you much of new features. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 19:18:58 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: <4830B962.4010201@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > >> Explain "the last one with all features". What features were removed >> from 7.3? IIRC, 7.3 offers some features which 7.2 doesn't. > > By removing display postscript for instance, one needs to update many > layered products and some no longer work on 7.3. > > 7.2 is the last one with the Digital logo for login screen on > decwindows. That is a big loss. I missed the smiley here. :-). There you go - I feel better now. [...] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:08:27 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Volume sets - yes, they can be very useful. Message-ID: "R.A.Omond" writes: >Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >> [...snip...] >> >> That should be "shadow set", not "volume set". A volume set is a >> different beast. (Yes, volume sets can be combined with shadow sets. >> In general, in these days of big disks, no-one needs volume sets >> anymore.) >Maybe in general, you're right. But at one of my customers, >we're into volume sets in a big way. >Like, 15 x 300 Gbyte disk volume sets. Since the loss of a single spindle can take out an entire volume set, be sure you are religious about your backups and make all the members shadowsets or redundant raidsets of some sort. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.278 ************************