INFO-VAX Wed, 14 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 269 Contents: determing lable of unmounted drive Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Re: EDS and LSE Re: EDS and LSE Freeware Need Alpha 7.2-1 Re: Need Alpha 7.2-1 NOPRIV when using heap analyzer on 8.3? Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard This is VMS, Starker; we don't GUI here! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 03:47:28 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: determing lable of unmounted drive Message-ID: How can you find out the name without mounting it? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 12:58:58 +0200 From: Joseph Huber Subject: Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > How can you find out the name without mounting it? > At least up to ODS-5, the label is in logical block 0 of the disk. See the little program (from Carl Lydick !). But You don't need such a program: Since You need to be privileged anyway, use MOUNT/OVERWRITE=IDENT to mount it private, then MOUNT displays the label. -- Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 13:01:39 +0200 From: Joseph Huber Subject: Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Message-ID: Joseph Huber wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> How can you find out the name without mounting it? >> > > At least up to ODS-5, the label is in logical block 0 of the disk. Sorry, should be logical block 1 ! -- Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 07:00:20 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Message-ID: <7dd80f60805140400m4a19688bte41ad66f74d1959d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Tom Linden wrote: > How can you find out the name without mounting it? You can't. But you can do a $ mou/over=id tapedrive to mount the tape without knowing the label. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 04:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Message-ID: <7b16aa75-5d8e-4d1a-83ff-d61b0b5fcfdd@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 14, 6:47=A0am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > How can you find out the name without mounting it? > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com Without mounting it you would need to use a program using a QIO with PHYSICAL IO. (IO$_READPBLK) With mounting you can as stated just use MOUNT/FOR or MOUNT/OVER=3DID and it will give the label. Once mounted foreign you can just use DCL to read it: $ ld crea tmp.disk/size=3D1000 $ ld conn tmp.disk lda9: $ init lda9: hein $ mount/for lda9: %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, HEIN mounted on _EISNER$LDA9: $ dump/blo=3Dcoun=3D1 lda9: : 20202020 20204E49 45480087 80FDFF74 t.=FD...HEIN 000020 73206120 746F6E20 73692020 20202020 is not a s 000030 0000000A 0A0D6B73 6964206D 65747379 ystem disk...... 000040 : $ open/read x lda9: $ read x record $ label =3D f$extr(38,12,record) $ show symb label LABEL =3D "HEIN " $ close x $ dism lda9 $ ld discon lda9 $ dele tmp.disk. Hein, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 05:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Message-ID: in addition to the previous replies, the usual question - "What problem are you really trying to solve?" ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 2008 08:47:35 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > How can you find out the name without mounting it? > I re-arrange my document CD's quite often, so during boot I 1. mount per-process (no /cluster or /system) with /ignore=label 2. use f$getdvi to get the label 3. dismount 4. mount /cluster or /system with the label The only small issue I've had with this is that I sometimes mount ODS-3 (ISO 9660) or ODS-4 (High Sierra) and have volume names longer than f$getdvi will return. In that case I look for the short name and correct it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:40:59 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: determing lable of unmounted drive Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004B29FA85257449_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote on 05/14/2008 09:47:35 AM: > In article , "Tom Linden" company> writes: > > How can you find out the name without mounting it? > > > > I re-arrange my document CD's quite often, so during boot I > > 1. mount per-process (no /cluster or /system) with /ignore=label > 2. use f$getdvi to get the label > 3. dismount > 4. mount /cluster or /system with the label > > The only small issue I've had with this is that I sometimes mount > ODS-3 (ISO 9660) or ODS-4 (High Sierra) and have volume names longer > than f$getdvi will return. In that case I look for the short name > and correct it. > For example: $ MOUNT/NOASSIST/NOWRITE/FOREIGN 'DISK $ LABEL=f$getdvi("''DISK'","VOLNAM") --=_alternative 004B29FA85257449_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"



koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote on 05/14/2008 09:47:35 AM:

> In article <op.ua439epghv4qyg@murphus>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.
> company> writes:
> > How can you find out the name without mounting it?
> >
>
>    I re-arrange my document CD's quite often, so during boot I
>
>    1.  mount per-process (no /cluster or /system) with /ignore=label
>    2.  use f$getdvi to get the label
>    3.  dismount
>    4.  mount /cluster or /system with the label
>
>    The only small issue I've had with this is that I sometimes mount
>    ODS-3 (ISO 9660) or ODS-4 (High Sierra) and have volume names longer
>    than f$getdvi will return.  In that case I look for the short name
>    and correct it.
>

For example:

$   MOUNT/NOASSIST/NOWRITE/FOREIGN 'DISK
$   LABEL=f$getdvi("''DISK'","VOLNAM")
--=_alternative 004B29FA85257449_=-- ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 2008 08:37:58 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: EDS and LSE Message-ID: <1M5ox7Mavtfn@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , John Reagan writes: > JF Mezei wrote: > >> >> IS Vaxset (or whatever it is called today) still actively developped, or >> has it been under maintenance mode since the days it was sent to EDS ? >> > > Active development. As Ian mentioned, V12.8 was the latest release. > LSE added various things including ODS-5 support for filenames, updated > language templates, bugfixes, etc. CMS added better support for storing > binary files, etc. At this point, what major new feature would you want > to see? > A minor feature. VMS' compilers don't care what name you give a source file, the input file is always a source file. The CXX command assumes a default extension of .CXX, but quite often C++ source comes to us as .CPP, and there are .HXX and/or .HPP header files. It would be nice if the default rules for the C++ compiler would cover these, so I don't have to rename the files or add the rule at the begining of so many .mms files. And don't forget .CPP~ et. al. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:05:54 +0200 From: Marc Van Dyck Subject: Re: EDS and LSE Message-ID: John Reagan formulated the question : > JF Mezei wrote: > >> >> IS Vaxset (or whatever it is called today) still actively developped, or >> has it been under maintenance mode since the days it was sent to EDS ? >> > > Active development. As Ian mentioned, V12.8 was the latest release. LSE > added various things including ODS-5 support for filenames, updated language > templates, bugfixes, etc. CMS added better support for storing binary files, > etc. At this point, what major new feature would you want to see? Well, I haven't used LSE very much lately, but last time I tried, if I remember well, it was still a pure monochrome editor. Adding colors to language sensitivity to match parenthesis, highlight syntaxes and structures, etc, would definitely be a plus. A little bit like what you can see in NetBeans, for example... In my company, most programmers prefer going through the hassle of copying their sources from the VMS host to their PC, edit locally, and then copy back, rather than edit directly from VMS with what they pretend to be an outdated editor. I also see a lot of new SDA extensions coming that are used to analyse a single process or program, that would be much better positioned if they were additions to PCA. I made that suggestion to Ann Mc Quaid when I met her in Valbonne last year and someone of her team responded me that it was probably not possible anymore since PCA was in maintenance mode only. -- Marc Van Dyck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:08:57 +0200 From: Marc Van Dyck Subject: Freeware Message-ID: What is the process to follow, those days, to donate some software to the OpenVMS Freeware program ? Thanks, -- Marc Van Dyck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 03:43:19 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Need Alpha 7.2-1 Message-ID: Anybody have an iso image online with adequate bandwidth, perhaps gzipped? Tom -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:27:00 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Need Alpha 7.2-1 Message-ID: Yes Well, a T1 if that is fast enough You'll need to give me a few hours to stuff it on our support server tho -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.ua432hkphv4qyg@murphus... > Anybody have an iso image online with adequate bandwidth, perhaps > gzipped? > > Tom > > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMS > www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 2008 09:11:39 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: NOPRIV when using heap analyzer on 8.3? Message-ID: OK, so I finally had good reason to sit down with the debugger manual and the heap analyzer and have at. Works fine on my Alpha running VMS 7.3, but it was doing ACCVIOs on my other Alpha under 8.3. So I found a debugger patch for the ACCVIO and applied it. Now under 8.3, using a the same fully privileged account running the same image (the two systems are clustered), I get NOPRIV errors when I try to start the image. The image is a copy of the ANU NEWS image, who's source I got from EISNER, with just a few debug (printf) statements in it. A collection of C and Macro routines doing a bunch of socket and SMG$ calls. I'm using the UCX emulation with Multinet, just like I'm using to write this via EISNER. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 11:28:52 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Question: ATX Powersupply For AlphaPC164 Motherboard Message-ID: I have one pulled from an AXP164 Price is $150 -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Robert Alan Byer" wrote in message news:FYd0f.69927$vJ4.42156@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... >I have a couple of AlphaPC164 motherboards in cases that I use personally >as workstations and file servers running OpenVMS. > > My problem is that one of the ATX power supplies in one of > AlphaPC164's died on me. I read the manual that came with > the motherboard and it says to use an ATX power supply. I bought > the cases with power supplies quite some time back and they were > designed to work with the AlphaPC164 motherboard. > > I go out and get a new modern ATX power supply, but it doesn't work, it > won't power up and I ended up taking a power supply out of one of my > OTHER working AlphaPC164 systems so I could at least get > my e-mail server going. > > My question is, is it even possible to use a modern ATX > power supply with this motherboard and if so, how? I would > like to put in something more than a 350W power supply in it. > > Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 20:44:19 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: This is VMS, Starker; we don't GUI here! Message-ID: Hi Peter, > > http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_flex.html > > > > and have a gander. > > > > Username: TIER3_DEMO > > Password: QUEUE > >... > Very nice Richard. Thanks for the feed-back! Even if I do say so myself, I still think it's amazing what can be achieved with 250 lines of MXML and another 250 of HTML/Javascript. But I can't help lamenting the number of VMS boxes that are being turned-off as we speak purely because their owner companies don't know just how easily these quality front-ends can be fitted onto their rich herritage of VMS business-logic and data, nor how easily VMS can be integrated with *any* future infrastructure direction those companies may choose :-( But as you've mentioned Java on VMS, please let me take this opportunity to point out a few things that are *not* required on your VMS boxes when you are running Tier3: - . No Java (or its garbage-collector) . No WSIT, BridgeWorks, DCE/RPC, ONC/RPC . No ACMS (or its rediculous workspaces) . No Apache, WASD, OSU . No Tomcat . No XML . No JSP, ASP, Perl, PHP, Python, CGI, Ruby, RoR . No ODBC, JDBC, OCI . No cma, pthreads, or any other threads Now a given customer may *choose* to implement some of these technologies, but for the purposes of providing network-client access (browser-based or stand-alone applications) to your server system's 3GLs, business-rules, and databases, they are simply superfluous. Maybe everyone else's experiences of the internet-facing arhictecture and strategies of various companies differs greatly from mine, but I tell you what, I haven't seen one of them that is using VMS to host its primary HTTP Web-Servers. The vast majority are *nix (that Apache seems eminently well suited for in both performance and access to latest versions (not least of which - Java)) and the others are usually Microsoft's IIS. So why would you bother running a web-server on your VMS boxes at all? (Unless you were hell-bent on using a poorly-performing, context-devoid, stateless, protocol in HTTP (and various interpretters, cookies, session ids, session hijacking etc) as your middleware backbone?) VMS Middle Management may have a vision that customers are willing to pay a premium for VMS because of something (stuffed if I know what) that it offers over and above the Linux/Apache offerings *in the HTTP-server space*. (Maybe Ebay and Google are just about to announce the shift to VMS, who knows?) And I say good luck to them! Get out there and sell, sell, sell! Me? I'm looking after the guy that most at HP/VMS seem to forget (and yet others seemingly despise) and that's the long-suffering VMS customer with his millions of lines of 3GL business logic and terrabytes of data, that has had to endure the sight of HP squandering hundreds of millions of their license-dollars on projects such as BridgeWorks and SOAP Toolkit and now they have to watch HP investing in gSOAP while they're being told to jump through the hoops required for the Waste of Substantial Investment in Technology :-( If HP doesn't even believe in it, then why should they? (Hold on - a stroke of genious! "The Web-Services development group" not really competing products at all. Got away with it for DECforms - who knows?) And yet they still (*after ten years*) cannot easily incorporate their existing, and future, VMS applications into the web, or even provide a half-decent GUI. - And you really wonder why they're leaving in droves? Look, you've seen the GUI, the MXML, the HTML, you've seen how easy, and how good, the client; now go to http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/ and look at demo_flex.cob, demo_flex_sql.sqlmod, and build_flex_demo.com and tell me that Tier3 isn't what they're screaming out for! Transparent multi-threading - Application Based Tuning & Configuration - Persistent Network Connection - Secure Client/Server Applications (With client persona automatically made available to your server code) - Transactional Data Integrity - Re-usable Execution Servers - Preservation of Existing Investment - No Tier3 Specific Client Software Required. They want it, and they need it *now*! > Since my last post about working with Flex I > only spent about 10 minutes working on it, real work keeps > getting in the way. I know what you mean, I too have to pay the bills with something else :-( The great news is that I'm sure all those bone-idle wasters at Oracle/Rdb and VMS have kept the user-base readily supplied with just such web-enabling examples over the last ten or so years of the Internet, rather than attending symposia or other photo-opportunities. Sun, Microsoft, Adobe - All with websites chock-o-block full with examples and tutorials of just such functionality while on VMS, if you sign a non-disclosure agreement, they still tell you bugger-all or give you a thousand-line WSIT example of "Hello world!". As long as we're all getting bang-for-buck out of our license fees from companies with such vast resources as the HP and Oracle juggernauts, that's the main thing. > One thing you might want to mention about using Flex is that the > mxml code can be edited and compiled on VMS since the compiler is > written in Java. I guess so? And now that Flex is open source, it would be interesting to see someone do the port. One problem may be that the only way I've been able to access Flex-Charting is via Flex-Builder (which is most definitely not open source, nor available for VMS) Still is Eclipse-based so if someone already has a version of Eclipse running on VMS then it's probably doable - but honestly why would you? Cheers Richard Maher "Peter Weaver" wrote in message news:014901c8b496$5879f1e0$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP... > >... > > If you'd like to see an example of a browser-based > > Flex/HTML/Javascript GUI > > client talking to a VMS 3GL server, please click on: - > > > > http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_flex.html > > > > and have a gander. > > > > Username: TIER3_DEMO > > Password: QUEUE > >... > > Very nice Richard. Since my last post about working with Flex I > only spent about 10 minutes working on it, real work keeps > getting in the way. > > One thing you might want to mention about using Flex is that the > mxml code can be edited and compiled on VMS since the compiler is > written in Java. > > Peter Weaver > www.WeaverConsulting.ca www.OpenVMSvirtualization.com > www.VAXvirtualization.com www.AlphaVirtualization.com > > ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.269 ************************