INFO-VAX Sat, 26 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 233 Contents: Re: HSD52 dead reduced raidset Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Eckert Subject: Re: HSD52 dead reduced raidset Message-ID: <64965bcf-7ed8-4b5c-85bf-ddcd0313037c@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Apr 20, 4:40 pm, Muddflapp Mohican wrote: > Hi. > > I have a dual redundant hsd50 controller (SCSI over DSSI). > One of the storagesets was a 4 x 18GB raidset that went into reduced mode. > There was not a large enough hot (or cold) spare available at the time. > When I replaced the 4th drive, one of the remaining 3 drives was howling > and spun down before the 4th drive could be added. > > Is there a secret HSD toolset that can resurrect a dead reduced raidset? > All 3 drives of the 4 disk reduced raidset will spin up. The third drive > will only stay spinning until it gets hot and starts howling. > > I have replaced the 4th 18G drive and currently sits as a spareset. > > The controller runs HSOF 5.7 under OpenVMS VAX V6.2 What type of RAID set are the drives configured in? From the description, I assume it is not a RAID 0 (stripe) or RAID 1 (mirror). If is is a RAID 0+1 (mirrored 2 disk stripe), all of the data should be present; the trick may be to get the controller to allow you to access it, especially if one drive in each stripe failed. If it is a RAID 5 (n+1 redundancy with distributed parity), you have lost data unless you can repair the 2nd failed drive. Repairing the first failed drive may be better than nothing, but if you can retrieve any data at all there will be corruption or lost data as the result of changes that were made while the RAID set was operating in reduced mode. The controller may detect the inconsistency using the metadata and prevent you from attempting this. If the corruption affects critical portions of the OpenVMS file system you will have to work around that as well. In short, unless the failures involve loss of both members of the same mirror set in a RAID 0+1, you will need professional assistance to recover the data. Contact someone before you do anything else to the disks: the more you manipulate them, the greater the risk of additional damage. Good luck! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:21:45 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: <48132cf3$0$20584$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> David J Dachtera wrote: > Hhmmm... interesting ... however, "Tidy" makes some brash and not > necessarily valid assumptions. For all of the complaints from Validator, > I'd have to go back and clean up Tidy's "mess". Would you put into production for mission critical code that doesn't compile cleanly ? If your HTML doesn't pass through the validator, it shouldn't be put into production. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: On Apr 25, 11:19=A0pm, David J Dachtera wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote: > > > On Apr 25, 10:35 am, David J Dachtera > > wrote: > > > "Jeffrey H. Coffield" wrote: > > > > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > > > > > I'm looking for a way to do something like this: > > > > > +----------+-------------------------------+ > > > > > | Button 1 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > +----------+ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > | Button 2 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > +----------+ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > | Button 3 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > +----------+ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > | Button 4 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > +----------+ =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > | Button 5 | =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 | > > > > > +----------+-------------------------------+ > > > > > See attached: > > > > > Jeff C. > > > > > =A0 =A0 ------------------------------------------------------------= --- > > > > Thanx, Jeff! Really pointed me in the right direction. > > > > For what I did with it, see my wife's up and coming website:http://www= .fourpawsandfur.com/andhttp://www.fourpawsandfur.com/index_...the full site = (not yet > > > complete - the "home" links will take you back to the "under > > > construction" page which has no links; so, use the browser's BACK butt= on > > > as needed). > > > > David J Dachtera > > > (formerly dba) DJE Systems- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > This is quite impressive considering you used a plain text editor. > > =A0 :-) > > I took the liberty of dumping your HTML into the validator here: > > > =A0http://validator.w3.org/check > > > ... and was presented a report containing 27 errors. > > > Many people don't think validation is necessary but if you want the > > page to be renedered the same way in all browsers, then you've got to > > do this. > > > p.s. many of my own business and personal web pages are non-compliant > > but I'm slowly getting things converted over. I recently discovered > > that a page which isn't missing too many closing tags can use the TIDY > > option in the link I provided. TIDY is a tool which allows GARBAGE-IN > > to result in NON-GARBAGE-OUT. > > Hhmmm... interesting ... however, "Tidy" makes some brash and not > necessarily valid assumptions. For all of the complaints from Validator, > I'd have to go back and clean up Tidy's "mess". > > D.J.D.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Every once in a while the W3C version of TIDY goes berserk producing unusable results. But the syntax validator always works when flagging my typos or recommending alternatives. p.s. You can download a standalone version of HTML-TIDY from "source forge" but I've never tried it. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:56:58 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: <481350c6$0$90271$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Neil Rieck wrote: > p.s. You can download a standalone version of HTML-TIDY from "source > forge" but I've never tried it. It even runs on VMS. Or at least I have a HTMLTIDY program that runs on VMS and says: "Copyright (c) 1998-2002 World Wide Web Consortium" Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:20:31 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture Message-ID: <48132caa$0$20584$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> David J Dachtera wrote: >> Which is why I also don't do E-bay. > > If we all lived by that philosophy, poor Sue would be out of a job (or > at least not working for VMS), because it would have died long ago). This is debatable. Years ago, the local bike club would stop at the local McDonalds after the group rides for milkshakes etc. It had a nice outdoor terrace, so it was easy to leave our bikes near to us and good to breathe some fresh air. Then, they replaced the outdoor terrace with a roadway leading to the "drive through". Bike club moved to another place for the end of ride. BUT... At one point, I needed some french fries for dinner, and I figured I would just bike to the local McDonalds to buy some. Figured it would be much more convenient to just use that "drive through" to order the fries, this way I wouldn't have to get off the bike, lock it, etc etc. But, they refused to sell me anything at the drive trhough. Something about my not having triggered the car counting mechanism, so their statistics would be out of whack. There was no car behind me, but they insisted I could not buy from the drive through and the only way I could get french fries was via the indoor counters. Told them they not onlyt lost a sale, but also a customer. A couple weeks later, I read in the newspaper that some guy in florida got in the same situation as me, but he insisted on being served, and the manager called the police and he was charged with trespassing. I have NEVER gone back to McDonalds since. It turns out that this was corporate policy to not serve cyclists at the drive through. If everyone stood by their principles and not do business with outfits that have screwed them (or vote for a party that screwed them), then the world would be a better place and businesses would learn to better handle their customers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:33:12 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture Message-ID: <1befb03d-0816-45dd-b9c4-882ddafa1703@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Apr 25, 9:21 am, David J Dachtera wrote: > "yyyc186" has some, I can only call it, "religious" aversion to Amazon, > even though it's -THE- biggest, most popular book buying site on the > web. (Grudges are fine as far as they go if you're into that sort of > thing, but they're not very profitable.) Calling Amazon THE-biggest, most popular book buying site would be a gross misstatement and only be uttered by someone reading their hype. For those who read the financial statements, that would be Barnes & Noble. When Amazon wanted to compete head to head with Barnes & Noble, it partnered with Borders. Those of us in the book trade (and those who read the business news) now know that Borders is near bankruptcy and may not pay most of their suppliers. http://www.king5.com/business/stories/NW_032008BUB_borders_books_possible_sale_JM.b1bac4e.html Amazon, right now, is only subsisting off of the gullible and newbies in the book trade. For the past few years they have been running around buying up every Print On-Demand "publishing service" they can find. All of them now have the same policy for budding authors. Any book printed by one of these services is automatically made available for sale to Amazon at a minimum 75% discount off of list price. Some of these services do not even let you set your own list price. Given the high cost of printing books with toner, you actually end up getting a bill for the copies sold through Amazon if your book is more than 400 pages in length. To the person who got shafted for a book Amazon could no longer get you, it is most likely that the author refused to continue paying for books sold through Amazon, and the POD "publisher" ceased printing the book until payment was received. Since the contracts generally run 3-5 years and the "publisher", not the author, owns the ISBN through these services, it will be a very long time before the book is in print again. While you are busy looking at Amazon, take a look at their Kindle eBook reader. Be sure to save space for it on the basement shelf next to your 8-track tape player and 10 inch laser disk player. Amazon, defying all industry standards, came up with their own eBook format. The software they distribute to neophytes thinking they will actually make money doing business with Amazon is so buggy it could only make Microsoft proud. I have not read of a single PDF file which went through a Web Press flawlessly actually converting without a LOT of manual editing. Read the fine print on the agreement being passed out to authors and you will see the maximum payment an author will receive is around $1.50 for each book sold, even if your book has a $90 retail price. eBook versions of "The Minimum You Need to Know" book series are available to institutions subscribing to Ingram's MyiLibrary service. (Two of the books are loaded and they are in the process of loading the other two now, may even be done loading, haven't checked this week.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture Message-ID: <268d37e3-c82c-4cd3-b4c5-8d1d2b352d35@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Apr 25, 10:08 pm, David J Dachtera wrote: > Needless to say, we refinanced with a local bank who does not sell their > notes and we do not even consider doing business with WaMu. Then again, > they have plenty of competition - they're nothing special in their > market, unlike Amazon which is the largest, most popular and most > recogizable and, therefore, the best place to market such a book. > Once again, do not repeat was is only un-true marketing hype. Amazon is not the largest. In book sales, they are behind Barnes & Noble. When you combine, book+movie+music CD they are behind both Barnes & Noble and Walmart. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.233 ************************