INFO-VAX Thu, 17 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 215 Contents: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Re: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update REQT: SENIOR JAVA CONSULTANT WITH STRONG UI Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com Subject: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: <021784e5-ae61-4ecd-bfb8-07c40ea10306@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Hello all, I was never able to fix the power supply. Eventually I found one for not too much money on eBay. With the appropriate cables, it appears that the system works flawlessly. Someone left a copy of OSF/1 on the 1 GB RZ26L. I'd like to unstall OpenVMS 8.3 over it. Any objections? My next problem is that OpenVMS 8.3 requires a "minimum" of version 7.0 firmware whereas this DEC 3000/400 has version 5.1. I've found the equivalent of the old Digital FTP site at HP: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/readmes/dec3000.html The files provided by HP only cover the update via floppy, BOOTP or MOP. Funny -- I'm not aware of a single DEC 3000 that has a floppy drive. The floppy is not an option and the BOOTP or MOP procedures require a working installation of OpenVMS or Tru64. Now the Digital documentation (available at the above URL in the text file dec3000_v70_fw_relnote.txt) mentions a bootable firmware update CD-ROM. Can anyone help? Ideally, I'd like to find the ISO of this infamous bootable firmware update CD-ROM. Then I'll bother you about the issue of bricking the DEC 3000 during the firmware update... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:48:13 +0100 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: wrote in message news:021784e5-ae61-4ecd-bfb8-07c40ea10306@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > The files provided by HP only cover the update via floppy, BOOTP or > MOP. Funny -- I'm not aware of a single DEC 3000 that has a floppy > drive. The floppy is not an option and the BOOTP or MOP procedures > require a working installation of OpenVMS or Tru64. Have you not got another box somewhere that you can use as a BOOTP/TFTP server? I doubt the system will care very much what the boot server is. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: Is the firmware on http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/readmes/dec3000.html any good? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:15:48 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: <480785c4$0$8171$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com wrote: > Hello all, > > I was never able to fix the power supply. Eventually I found one for > not too much money on eBay. With the appropriate cables, it appears > that the system works flawlessly. Someone left a copy of OSF/1 on the > 1 GB RZ26L. I'd like to unstall OpenVMS 8.3 over it. Any objections? > > My next problem is that OpenVMS 8.3 requires a "minimum" of version > 7.0 firmware whereas this DEC 3000/400 has version 5.1. > > I've found the equivalent of the old Digital FTP site at HP: > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/readmes/dec3000.html > The files provided by HP only cover the update via floppy, BOOTP or > MOP. Funny -- I'm not aware of a single DEC 3000 that has a floppy > drive. The floppy is not an option and the BOOTP or MOP procedures > require a working installation of OpenVMS or Tru64. > > Now the Digital documentation (available at the above URL in the text > file dec3000_v70_fw_relnote.txt) mentions a bootable firmware update > CD-ROM. > > Can anyone help? Ideally, I'd like to find the ISO of this infamous > bootable firmware update CD-ROM. Then I'll bother you about the issue > of bricking the DEC 3000 during the firmware update... ;-) It seems that HP has removed the ISO image for the FW CD you need (< V6.0). If you aren't able to boot the FW file from the LAN, then the only option would be to get a FW CD. I doubt that you can get it from HP, but someone might have one he doesn't need. If I can be of any additional help, send me a mail. I think you can guess my email address. Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:31:43 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Message-ID: Subject says it all. What is the minimum Firmware version needed to run 146GB drives in an HSG80? Is there a limit to the size of the drive? TIA Tom -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Message-ID: <53e2415c-3e06-493e-946d-0797c739f2ca@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 17, 8:31 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > Subject says it all. What is the minimum Firmware version > needed to run 146GB drives in an HSG80? Is there a limit to > the size of the drive? > V8.6 works, and I think someone mentioned that in an earlier thread as being the minimum. V8.8-3 was the last version that I saw released. -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:39:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update Message-ID: On Apr 16, 7:42 pm, Sue wrote: > On Apr 11, 10:24 am, Sue wrote: > > > > > As promised here is theBootCampupdate for this week which we are > > happy with. > > > Session Abstracts, Keynotes are on the web site. > > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html > > > Current Registration is 135 > > Scholarships Available HP 5 > > Scholarship Available Partners 2 > > > Seats remaining 58 > > > Pre-Seminars > > > Thursday - Friday DT Pr-Seminar - two seats - 18 People > > Monday and Tuesday DT seminar (same session) - 9 seats > > CIFs Seminar - one seat remaining - Thursday and Friday > > TCP/IP -Wed Friday - 5 seats remaining > > Storage session - plenty of seats > > RTR - plenty of seats. > > > Where are the customers coming from > > > Sweden 20 > > Russia 19 > > Netherlands 7 > > Switzerland 7 > > England 6 > > Germany 6 > > Austria 3 > > Canada 3 > > France 2 > > Ireland 2 > > Argentina 1 > > Australia 1 > > Barbados 1 > > Belgium 1 > > Lithuania 1 > > Norway 1 > > Scotland 1 > > > US - everyone else > > Just an update for everyone we have 42 seats remaining for the Boot > Camp Wish I could go. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update Message-ID: <20a4e5af-7b7e-4049-8623-98511e932675@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Apr 17, 11:39 am, Rich Jordan wrote: > On Apr 16, 7:42 pm, Sue wrote: > > > > > On Apr 11, 10:24 am, Sue wrote: > > > > As promised here is theBootCampupdate for this week which we are > > > happy with. > > > > Session Abstracts, Keynotes are on the web site. > > > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html > > > > Current Registration is 135 > > > Scholarships Available HP 5 > > > Scholarship Available Partners 2 > > > > Seats remaining 58 > > > > Pre-Seminars > > > > Thursday - Friday DT Pr-Seminar - two seats - 18 People > > > Monday and Tuesday DT seminar (same session) - 9 seats > > > CIFs Seminar - one seat remaining - Thursday and Friday > > > TCP/IP -Wed Friday - 5 seats remaining > > > Storage session - plenty of seats > > > RTR - plenty of seats. > > > > Where are the customers coming from > > > > Sweden 20 > > > Russia 19 > > > Netherlands 7 > > > Switzerland 7 > > > England 6 > > > Germany 6 > > > Austria 3 > > > Canada 3 > > > France 2 > > > Ireland 2 > > > Argentina 1 > > > Australia 1 > > > Barbados 1 > > > Belgium 1 > > > Lithuania 1 > > > Norway 1 > > > Scotland 1 > > > > US - everyone else > > > Just an update for everyone we have 42 seats remaining for the Boot > > Camp > > Wish I could go. Ditto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:29:19 -0700 (PDT) From: faisal Subject: REQT: SENIOR JAVA CONSULTANT WITH STRONG UI Message-ID: HI, WE HAVE AN UNRGENT REQUIRMENT OF A SENIOR JAVA CONSULTANT WITH STRONG UI. LOCATON: CALIFORNIA BAY AREA LONG TERM POSITION Faisal Shahriya Business Manager ICOMM Business Solutions Inc. faisal@icbsol.com 571-926-9676 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 04:56:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Oriented Architecture Message-ID: On Apr 15, 11:44=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: [...snip...] > > If they keep VMS on life support (as they are doing now), The best case > scenario is that they manage to retain nearly 100% of the VMS customers > who will choose HP-UX of HP servers for Linux/Windows. Worse case > scenario is that they will slowly lose the intalled base and only manage > to retain a much smaller percentage of customers. But the longer VMS is > kept on life support, the longer HP gets money from those customers. And > the longer it has to convince them to move to other HP platforms. > > So keeping VMS on life support, even in its worse case scenario, is far > better than murdering VMS like they did Alpha. > > If HP takes, as baseline, the prediction that they would lose 90% of the > VMS installed base eventually, then any percentage point they can reduce > that loss will end up being a big win for HP. > > So, by following HP's lead and NOT trying to help VMS, you not only make > HP feel more comfortable with its plans (with no hobbyists meddling in > them to try to make VMS more popular), but you also no longer try to > stop the decline of VMS. If VMS is to go down, then the faster it goes > down, the less revenus HP will get, and the less the percentage of VMS > customers HP would be able to hold on to. > This logic assumes HP's board has the same passion for technology that we do. In reality, the merger between HP + Compaq was more expensive than anyone will admit, so now HP is only willing to remove golden eggs from the goose that lays them (while only feeding the animal just enough to keep it alive). A comment about customers: For years now, we have watched CEOs suck out all the money for themselves while pushing manufacturing jobs to China and IT jobs to India. With this mindset, they don't care about the long term health of their companies, just their own bank accounts. It is these people that want to futher cut costs by forcing us to move to pseudo-free OSs like *nix and use pseudo-free databases like MySql. Companies with deep pockets, like Intel, may continue to buy OpenVMS systems to run their fabs but other companies will always be enticed to attempt a solution with a less robust platform. How this happens: When asked for a RFQ, most people in this NG will always recommend a solution based upon OpenVMS and Oracle (or RMS). But when someone else sends in a competing quote based upon *nix and MySQL, guess which RFQ gets picked by upper management? (yes, yes, we all know about "Total Cost of Ownership" but North American management won't usually be on deck for the total lifetime so they don't care). So what is an IT person to do? We've all got families to feed and since the customer is always right, it is sometimes better to learn a few *nix skills and prevent the CEOs from pushing all their IT money to India. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IBM IS THINKING RIGHT NOW. Take a look at their licensing for DB2 on AIX. What they lose on purchase-time licenses they will make back on annual support contracts. In the end they are still in a position to keep the high margin support contracts for themselves while pushing the low-marging stuff to off-shore IBM operations. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.215 ************************