INFO-VAX Fri, 04 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 190 Contents: RE: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Point Secure and SQL admin toolset spam Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:52:22 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: RE: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Malcolm Dunnett [mailto:nothome@spammers.are.scum] >> Sent: April 3, 2008 3:43 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available >> >> JF Mezei wrote: >> > >> > Remember that many at HP have said that VMS would not be ported >> beyond >> > Itanium. This is a pretty strong message about its future. >> > >> >> Do you have references for this (eg who said it, when they said it, >> link to URL with this information) ? > >JF tends to infer things and then re-state them as facts to further his >own agenda. > >HP has always stated it requires a business justification to move to any >new platform. They never stated it would not be ported beyond Itanium. > >Any vendor would be nuts not to have this view. > The statements which have been made , though I'm not sure if any were official statements, have generally been that there are "no plans". This has pretty much always been in answer to questions about porting from Itanium to x86-64. This is a pretty safe answer signifying nothing about the longer term future of VMS. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University > > >Regards > >Kerry Main >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada >Voice: 613-254-8911 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >(remove the DOT's and AT) > >OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > > > > >Regards > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <6e3c7bff-d314-4330-af1b-7444cc0657f3@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On 4 Apr, 01:08, JF Mezei wrote: > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > > =A0 =A0Do you have references for this (eg who said it, when they said i= t, > > link to URL with this information) ? > > I my universe (which always seems to be ever so slighty different from > everyone else's, I distinctinly saw =A0many posts from a very famous > former VMS engineer (whose name sounds like he is running out of breath) > that there were no plans to port VMS beyond IA64. > > Also, Livermore was asked by media about plans to port HP-UX and others > from IA64 and she re-itrerated that HP had no plans to port it to the > industry standard platform. > > deja news/google (which exists in your plane of existance) did not > immediatly return the results I was seeking. So I have to assume that > those statements were never made in your universe. > > And since nobody would ever wish to be caught agreeing with me, I can't > expect anyone to corroborate where I think I read. > > So you may return to thinking all is well with VMS and that the > installed based is growing at a healthy pace with no problems. You're assuming that "no plans" means "we won't". The two are not synonymous. No plans means that, at the time the statement was made, there was no intention to carry out the action being referred to (in this case, porting OpenVMS to something other than IA64 which may not have even been invented or announced yet). We won't means that it will never happen. I have no plans to move from Stockport but that doesn't mean it's not going to happen. It just means that I haven't formulated that plan yet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:02:29 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > I have no plans to move from Stockport but that doesn't mean it's not > going to happen. It just means that I haven't formulated that plan > yet. Or that you do not want anyone else to know your plans... :-) :-) Anyway, is there anyone at all who realy cares about what JF writes in this matter anymore ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Weaver Subject: Point Secure and SQL admin toolset spam Message-ID: <691b9c2b-e3e3-45c2-9d70-eec367d1a7c4@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com> If you gave Point Secure your email address when you tried their Free Patch Analyzer then you probably received an email today from idera.com with the subject "NEW! SQL admin toolset: public BETA available." Since the email came to an address that was only given to Point Secure I thought that maybe they had the address list stored on an unsecured machine, or that they actually sold their mailing list (I am not sure which would be the worst of the two evils). But then I checked the whois information and I see that Point Secure is listed as the technical contact for idera.com. Compare Alan Lee's email address to the address of Technical Support. I guess the Free Patch Analyzer was not really free. :( Registrant: idera Alan Lee 802 Lovett Blvd Houston, TX 77006 US Email: rod.endo@idera.com Registrar Name....: REGISTER.COM, INC. Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com Registrar Homepage: www.register.com Domain Name: idera.com Created on..............: Mon, Feb 07, 2000 Expires on..............: Mon, Feb 07, 2011 Record last updated on..: Thu, Jan 10, 2008 Administrative Contact: BBS Technologies, Inc. Ben Jolly 802 Lovett Blvd. Houston, TX 77006 Phone: +1.7132855302 Email: ben.jolly@bbstek.com Technical Contact: PointSecure, Inc Rod Endo 802 Lovett Blvd. Houston, TX 77006 US Phone: 713-868-1222 Email: rod.endo@pointsecure.com DNS Servers: ns1.vericenter.com ns2.vericenter.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:13:41 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > William Webb wrote: > > >>On a lighter note, reading your post gave me a vivid mental image of a >>straw figure in a shape somewhat resembling a certain French-Canadian >>who posts regularly to comp.os.vms-- hanging in midair and on fire >>outside of whatever building VMS Engineering has been moved to... > > > yeah I know. At one point, if I had showed up at the bootcamp, the > engineers threathened to tie me up to their car's rooftop and parade me > around town as a trophy, as they would have a dead deer :-) Not true. With a deer, we'd eat the carcass and mount the stuffed head on the wall. I doubt we'd eat your carcass. :-) -- John Reagan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:16:11 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: <47F6382B.2060907@comcast.net> John Reagan wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > >> William Webb wrote: >> >> >>> On a lighter note, reading your post gave me a vivid mental image of a >>> straw figure in a shape somewhat resembling a certain French-Canadian >>> who posts regularly to comp.os.vms-- hanging in midair and on fire >>> outside of whatever building VMS Engineering has been moved to... >> >> >> >> yeah I know. At one point, if I had showed up at the bootcamp, the >> engineers threathened to tie me up to their car's rooftop and parade me >> around town as a trophy, as they would have a dead deer :-) > > > Not true. With a deer, we'd eat the carcass and mount the stuffed head > on the wall. I doubt we'd eat your carcass. > > :-) > Now there's an idea; mounting JF's stuffed head on the wall! But I don't think we want to know what it's stuffed with!! ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:30:50 -0500 From: Glenn Everhart Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: Jim Duff wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: >> Why doesn't VMS have a "SAY" command ? My Mac has one. >> >> [snip] >> >> Oh, I forgot, they dropped all support for sound on VMS. It is a shame >> because there are interesting uses for this with web servers dynamically >> geneaing audible responses to and AIFF file streamed to the remote users >> for instance. (See, even in a "server only" mode which VMS has been >> relegated/restricted to, such a command owuld have some uses) > > $ say := write dectalk > $ open/write dectalk _tta0: > $ say "testing 1 2 3" > $ close dectalk > > works great for me and my DECtalk Express :-) > > Jim. Amigas have had "say" since the mid 1980s too. Nice, but an added wrinkle was added for one of the later AmigaDos versions: a pseudo device speak: which could be written to as an ordinary sequential device and would speak whatever was written to it. That made it pretty trivial to take almost any program and add the ability for it to speak things. Evidently the dectalk works a lot like that...if you have one. Glenn Everhart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:54:25 +0000 (UTC) From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: In article , Glenn Everhart writes: > Amigas have had "say" since the mid 1980s too. Nice, but an added wrinkle > was added for one of the later AmigaDos versions: a pseudo device speak: which > could be written to as an ordinary sequential device and would speak whatever > was written to it. That made it pretty trivial to take almost any program > and add the ability for it to speak things. Yes, but it spoke (OK, my Amiga 1000 still speaks) with a strong US accent. It took me quite some time to find out the character sequence to pronounce German words correctly, i.e. important ones such as "Scheisse", among others. ------------------------------ Date: 04 Apr 2008 17:07:52 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: <47f66068$0$15163$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , Glenn Everhart writes: >Jim Duff wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Why doesn't VMS have a "SAY" command ? My Mac has one. >>> >>> [snip] >>> >>> Oh, I forgot, they dropped all support for sound on VMS. It is a shame >>> because there are interesting uses for this with web servers dynamically >>> geneaing audible responses to and AIFF file streamed to the remote users >>> for instance. (See, even in a "server only" mode which VMS has been >>> relegated/restricted to, such a command owuld have some uses) >> >> $ say := write dectalk >> $ open/write dectalk _tta0: >> $ say "testing 1 2 3" >> $ close dectalk >> >> works great for me and my DECtalk Express :-) >> >> Jim. >Amigas have had "say" since the mid 1980s too. Nice, but an added wrinkle >was added for one of the later AmigaDos versions: a pseudo device speak: which >could be written to as an ordinary sequential device and would speak whatever >was written to it. That made it pretty trivial to take almost any program >and add the ability for it to speak things. > >Evidently the dectalk works a lot like that...if you have one. 9 of them! I should get a chorus of Poisoning Pigeons in the Park going! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 04 Apr 2008 17:09:29 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: <47f660c9$0$15163$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes: >In article , Glenn Everhart > writes: > >> Amigas have had "say" since the mid 1980s too. Nice, but an added wrinkle >> was added for one of the later AmigaDos versions: a pseudo device speak: which >> could be written to as an ordinary sequential device and would speak whatever >> was written to it. That made it pretty trivial to take almost any program >> and add the ability for it to speak things. > >Yes, but it spoke (OK, my Amiga 1000 still speaks) with a strong US accent. >It took me quite some time to find out the character sequence >to pronounce German words correctly, i.e. important ones such as "Scheisse", >among others. You need to type that one in phonetically... SHIT! ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 4 Apr 2008 13:19:32 -0500 From: brooks@cuebid.zko.hp.nospam (Rob Brooks) Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > > yeah I know. At one point, if I had showed up at the bootcamp, the > engineers threathened to tie me up to their car's rooftop and parade me > around town as a trophy, as they would have a dead deer :-) Don't flatter yourself. Other than the few (10?) folks within VMS Engineering who read this newsgroup, no one else would have any clue who you are. -- Rob Brooks MSL -- Nashua brooks!cuebid.zko.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:41:18 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: <47F6683E.5030001@comcast.net> Rob Brooks wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > >>yeah I know. At one point, if I had showed up at the bootcamp, the >>engineers threathened to tie me up to their car's rooftop and parade me >>around town as a trophy, as they would have a dead deer :-) > > > Don't flatter yourself. Other than the few (10?) folks within VMS Engineering > who read this newsgroup, no one else would have any clue who you are. > Imagine! 10 engineers want your head for their trophy room! Nice going JF! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:15:02 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. Message-ID: <1d5a0473-4dee-4cf2-b05f-ce6f867fd41b@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Patch VMS83I_MAILSHR-V0100 has been announced, I expect the patches for other versions will follow. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.190 ************************