INFO-VAX Sun, 09 Mar 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 138 Contents: Re: Encryption on VMS know about the technology of intel procesor... Re: OT: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM bug on VAX Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM bug on VAX Re: VMS advertising ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Mar 2008 09:54:41 GMT From: JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) Subject: Re: Encryption on VMS Message-ID: In message , ewilts@ewilts.org writes: >On Mar 3, 7:15 pm, res0o...@yahoo.com wrote: >> I've tested with PGP for VMS, and it failed to encrypt and decrypt the >> save set properly. I tried GPG, and it took 11 hours to encrypt, which >> is way too long. I know there's an encryption subsystem in VMS 7.3-1 >> and upwards, but I'll have to put together a spare machine on that >> version to try it (I'm stuck in a 6.2 backwater for various reasons.) >> > >For of all, all software-based encryption sucks. The slower the >hardware, the more it sucks. I don't know if encryption module for >VMS Backup makes it much better, but I suspect that there's not much >you are going to be able to do with software-based encryption. Given >that you're at 6.2, your options are certainly limited, and your >hardware probably isn't all that fast. I wrote a version of the Windows AxCrypt program, which uses AES-128, for VMS. When I got 8.3, I tested the speed of the open source rijndael module AxCrypt uses against the native VMS AES encryption. The open source version is about 3 times faster. The attitude that 'anyone with serious encryption needs will buy hardware to do it' breaks down when encryption becomes expected for normal operations. On a DS15, I test encrypted a 24,000,000 block saveset in 32 minutes. In addition to the encryption, the axcrypt file format also needs you to compute a SHA-1-based checksum of the resulting headers+data. David L. Jones | Phone: (614) 271-6718 Ohio State University | Internet: 140 W. 19th St. | jonesd@ecr6.ohio-state.edu Columbus, OH 43210 | vman+@osu.edu Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: waugh682@gmail.com Subject: know about the technology of intel procesor... Message-ID: know about the technology of intel procesor... http://intelsprocessor.googlepages.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 05:10:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: OT: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Message-ID: <0dfd8d1e-8bac-4395-8006-15e7adb18d6e@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Mar 8, 8:28=A0am, JF Mezei wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote: [...snip...] > > You call it the "dark side". I call it the "bright side". The lights are > shining far brighter on OS-X than they are on VMS. There is plenty of > marketing, growth, applications and more importatly, a vendor who is > clearly committed to it. > > HP sent a very very very clear signal last year when it got Cerner to > abandon VMS. > > And consider that much of the TCPIP stack on VMS comes from Unix (all > those utilities like nslookup, dig etc). =A0And consider that they no > longer really case about security since the allowed software such as > IMAP to come out without intrusion detection. > > I was extremely loyal to VMS for years, and really hoped HP would come > to its senses and bring VMS back to life. Loyalty in this case only > hurts the loyal person since the vendor doesn't give one iota. In fact, > it appears HP doesn't appreciate those who are loyal to VMS when you > look at their attitude towrads comp.os.vms > > Just because I am moving to OS-X at a leasurely pace doesn't mean that I > feel it is an "upgrade". > > On VMS, I found myself trying to fight to live "modern". The fact that > MAIL isn't being developped anymore mean that receiving binary > attachements was always time consuming. Couldn,t quite work with PDF > documents (just because XPDF could open them doesn'T mean that you could > be productive with it) etc etc etc. > > At one point, you realise it isn't worth fighting to remain on VMS, > especially when the owner isn't lifting a finger to help VMS. > > And these conversions are not productive. You spend your time > re-inventing the wheel instead of improving it. I need to learn Apache > and test configs so I can move the web site over, instead of spending > time to improve the web site. I need to learn those newfangled scripting > languages instead of writing DCL or ALLIN1 scripts to provide dynamic > web content. etc etc etc. > > But in the long term, once I am proficient on Unix, I will have > marketable skills, and because I will be able to use modern tools, I > will have access to modern open source stuff and will no longer have to > fight to get stuff to run on VMS. I was just kidding you, of course. Here in Waterloo region (the home of RIM, Open Text, Dalsa, Ratheon, Sandvine, just to name a few) you can find UNIX systems everywhere although the MAC is a different kind of cat. It still is weird to see someone with a UNIX-based PC surf the net without any antivirus protection etc. I still think that UNIX systems provide some level of job protection for technical people. Last night I was asked to clean out some temp files from a SUN box with no graphical interface. Here is what I typed: find . -name aaa\*.TMP -a -ctime +10 -exec rm -i {} \; Sometimes typos will give you an error message but most times they don't. The terms MUST be in the order I've showm. Special characters must be escaped by preceeding them with a backslash. ~~~ Now if this was an OpenVMS box, my boss could have done it by entering: delete/confirm/before=3D23-feb aaa*.TMP With this command the terms can be in any order and any typo will throw an error then stop. ~~~ I prefer working on OpenVMS systems but must remember that I do have a family to feed. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2008 15:31:17 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Message-ID: <63ie65F27tahbU3@mid.individual.net> In article <75c06824-6e08-4180-b139-7541398f868f@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > On Mar 8, 6:39 pm, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> John Vottero wrote: >> > "JF Mezei" wrote in message >> >news:47d1f21d$0$25450$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >> >> Last week, I ported from VMS to OS-X a small C program that generates >> >> lottery numbers (and postscript which then puts the squares in the right >> >> locations on the forms). >> >> >> Turns out that the Apple random number generator is far better than VMS' >> >> because on the first time I used the Mac generated numbers, I won a >> >> whopping $10 at the lottery. Statistically, my program on a MAC is 100%>> >> succesful at generating a winning number, whereas on VMS it rarely >> >> generated a winning number (and it was just a free ticket :=( >> >> >> So there you go, undeniable proof that Macintosh is better than VMS. >> >> > Many lotteries are run on OpenVMS and when those systems pick the >> > winning numbers, they *ALWAYS* get it right! >> >> The winning numbers usually (always ??) comes from a drawing >> machine. >> >> I am no aware of any drawing machine running VMS. >> >> Arne > Probably always. I'd think you'd have serious credibility issues if > the computer picked it. Since computers actually use pseudorandom > number sequences, the credibility issue only gets worse. To be really > fair, you need the usual machine with the balls bounding around or > perhaps you could set up a pure random number generator based on > radioactive decay or some other random quantum process, but I think > most people would trust the ball machine more, and I understand why. I prefer the German style ball machine (spinning with a rail to pickup a ball) as opposed to the air powered bouncing ball machines common in the US. I guess people have already forgotten that these machines are easily rigged. But then, I don't play the lottery (frequently called a tax on the stupid) so it really doesn't much matter. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2008 15:33:30 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Message-ID: <63ieaaF27tahbU4@mid.individual.net> In article <47d34ce5$0$10314$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > AEF wrote: > >> radioactive decay or some other random quantum process, but I think >> most people would trust the ball machine more, and I understand why. > > Prio to the 1976 Montreal olympics, there was an "Olympic lottery" (to > raise money for the event). The first draw was a big TV ceremony. The > winning numbers were printed on a decwriter with a camera focusing on > the pint-head and the numbers that appeared. > > In terms of trusting the balls, the conspiracy theorist in me says that > they decide which numbers will win, then take the pre-recorded video > sequences of each ball falling out of the machine and assemble what > seems to be a uninterrupted flow of balls coming out of the machine :-) >:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) (or with CGI, they can probably generate the whole > video in one shot with the pre-selected balls coming out in whatever > order they want). > >:-) :-) :-) PA's is done live, on TV with an audience. Of course, that doesn't preclude cheating but it does prove the drawings are done as people expect them to be. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2008 15:36:30 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Message-ID: <63iefuF27tahbU5@mid.individual.net> In article <47d35553$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > AEF wrote: >> or >> perhaps you could set up a pure random number generator based on >> radioactive decay or some other random quantum process, > > You can buy hardware cards that provides true random bits. I don't > know what they use as source. But the stuff you mention sounds > very likely. Random numbers are a theoretical mathematical concept and nothing can "generate" numbers that are truly random. A method must be used to pick them and that method precludes true randomness. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:52:11 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Message-ID: <47d407a5$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <47d35553$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, > Arne Vajhøj writes: >> AEF wrote: >>> perhaps you could set up a pure random number generator based on >>> radioactive decay or some other random quantum process, >> You can buy hardware cards that provides true random bits. I don't >> know what they use as source. But the stuff you mention sounds >> very likely. > > Random numbers are a theoretical mathematical concept and nothing can > "generate" numbers that are truly random. A method must be used to > pick them and that method precludes true randomness. Not true. Certain physics stuff are considered true random. Including radioactivity I believe. Around 1900 the world was considered deterministic, but then came Einstein, Heissenberg and all those guys and suddenly the world was random (and impossible to understand). Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:58:28 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Message-ID: <47D41734.90607@comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <75c06824-6e08-4180-b139-7541398f868f@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > AEF writes: > >>On Mar 8, 6:39 pm, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> >>>John Vottero wrote: >>> >>>>"JF Mezei" wrote in message >>>>news:47d1f21d$0$25450$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... >>>> >>>>>Last week, I ported from VMS to OS-X a small C program that generates >>>>>lottery numbers (and postscript which then puts the squares in the right >>>>>locations on the forms). >>>> >>>>>Turns out that the Apple random number generator is far better than VMS' >>>>>because on the first time I used the Mac generated numbers, I won a >>>>>whopping $10 at the lottery. Statistically, my program on a MAC is 100%>> >> succesful at generating a winning number, whereas on VMS it rarely >>>>>generated a winning number (and it was just a free ticket :=( >>>> >>>>>So there you go, undeniable proof that Macintosh is better than VMS. >>>> >>>>Many lotteries are run on OpenVMS and when those systems pick the >>>>winning numbers, they *ALWAYS* get it right! >>> >>>The winning numbers usually (always ??) comes from a drawing >>>machine. >>> >>>I am no aware of any drawing machine running VMS. >>> >>>Arne >> >>Probably always. I'd think you'd have serious credibility issues if >>the computer picked it. Since computers actually use pseudorandom >>number sequences, the credibility issue only gets worse. To be really >>fair, you need the usual machine with the balls bounding around or >>perhaps you could set up a pure random number generator based on >>radioactive decay or some other random quantum process, but I think >>most people would trust the ball machine more, and I understand why. > > > I prefer the German style ball machine (spinning with a rail to pickup > a ball) as opposed to the air powered bouncing ball machines common in > the US. I guess people have already forgotten that these machines are > easily rigged. But then, I don't play the lottery (frequently called > a tax on the stupid) so it really doesn't much matter. Don't knock the lotteries!!! Would you rather they took it out of YOUR pocket?????? ------------------------------ Date: 09 Mar 2008 17:08:41 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Message-ID: <47d41999$0$25062$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <63ieaaF27tahbU4@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >{...snip...} >PA's is done live, on TV with an audience. Of course, that doesn't >preclude cheating but it does prove the drawings are done as people >expect them to be. As are those here in the people's republic of New Jermany. However, knowing the proNJ's propesity for corruption of all things affiliated with its government, I wouldn't doubt for a minute that that audience isn't some cabal of paid to stay hush-mouthed participants. Who me? A cynic? For further information on the proNJ's culture of corruption, visit: http://www.TheSopranoState.com -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 03:55:31 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM bug on VAX Message-ID: <47d3986c$0$10302$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Meant to post this a few time changes ago. > $ show time > 9-MAR-2008 02:01:58 > $ @sys$examples:daylight_savings > > Are you changing to DAYLIGHT or to STANDARD time? (DAYLIGHT/STANDARD): daylight > > Will the sysman be on this NODE only or CLUSTER wide? (NODE/CLUSTER): NODE > > If you choose to SAVE the procedures, you can modify > the SYSMAN environment, or make other changess before executing. > > Do you wish to EXECUTE the change now, QUEUE it for future execution, > or SAVE the created procedures without executing? > (EXECUTE/QUEUE/SAVE): execute > Created file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DST$CHANGE.COM; > > Is it O.K. to execute the time sysman now? (Yes/No): y > $ show time > 9-MAR-2008 01:03:32 So typing "DAYLIGHT" moves the clock BACK instead of ahead. (STANDARD moves it ahead instead of back). I realise that support/development for VAX-VMS has all but been abandonned. And since that procedure isn't needed for Alpha VMS, I guess nobody will fix it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:25:05 -0800 (PST) From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: SYS$EXAMPLES:DAYLIGHT_SAVINGS.COM bug on VAX Message-ID: JF, this problem was fixed for OpenVMS Alpha in X-3 on 01-MAY-2001. The fix for OpenVMS seems to have been included in VAXDTSS01_073 released 25-OCT-2002. Volker. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2008 15:21:00 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS advertising ! Message-ID: <63idisF27tahbU2@mid.individual.net> In article <47d34dc5$0$15159$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <887a3edf-4068-47e0-8776-f4fc320969ff@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >>On Mar 4, 5:06 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >>> Would you believe some mainstream advertising for VMS ? Holy mother of >>> God, it has happened ! >>> >>> http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080304/0370310.html >>> >>> Press Release >>> >>> VMS Processes One Millionth Unpaid Parking Violation for the U.S. Auto >>> Rental Industry >>> Tuesday March 4, 11:44 am ET >> >>Source text from Wikipedia for VMS: >> >>'''VMS''' may stand for: >> >>* [[OpenVMS]] and [[FreeVMS]], a computer server operating system >>* [[Variable-message sign]], an electronic traffic sign often used on >>highways >>* [[Vendor Management System]], a process or system for managing >>vendors (e.g., temporary staff) >>* [[Video Monitoring Services]] >>* [[Visual Memory System]], a storage device for the Sega Dreamcast >>console better known as a Visual Memory Unit (VMU) >>* [[Vital Management Statistics]], a performance-based metric system >>for productivity evaluation >>* [[Voice Mail System]] >>* [[Volcanogenic massive sulfide ore deposit]]s, a type of metal >>sulfide ore deposit >>* [[Voucher Management System]] >>* [[Voynich manuscript]], a mysterious illustrated book with >>incomprehensible contents >>* [[Vehicle Management Systems]] >>* [[Vessel monitoring system]], a near real-time, usually satellite- >>based, positional tracking system for fishing vessels >>* [[FocusFix Virtual Modelling System|Virtual Modelling System]] >>* [[Visual Measurement System]] >>* [[Vitamins, Minerals & Supplements]], products that provide extra >>nutrients like vitamin C. >>* [[Voyage Management System]], hardware and software that provide >>integrated, chart-based navigation for naval vessels >>* [[Visual Management System]], DVR Software & Hardware developer >>Glasgow www.vmsuk.com >>* [[Vallivue Middle School]], a middle school in the [[Vallivue School >>District]]. >> >>Of course I like "Very Much Stable". Or, for vanilla lovers, Vanilla >>Makes Smiles. >> >>With only 26 letters in the alphabet and over 300,000 words in the >>English language, having so many meanings for a given three-letter >>acronym (well, (at least for some) shouldn't be all that surprising. > > What happened to the Voluntary Milking System? And then there was the PENNDOT VMS [Virtual Messageing System] And, the DISA Vulnerability Management System I can probably come up with a dozen or more that are computer related. I guess we can assume that TradeMark is officially abandoned. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.138 ************************