INFO-VAX Sun, 03 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 67 Contents: AlphaBook docking station needed Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: F$UNIQUE library function Re: F$UNIQUE library function Re: F$UNIQUE library function Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: VMS - now with a hammer (was Re: Island Computers is moving) Web servers (was:Re: VMS - now with a hammer (was Re: Island Computers is moving Web servers (was:Re: VMS - now with a hammer (was Re: Island Computers is moving ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:05:12 GMT From: dittman@dittman.net Subject: AlphaBook docking station needed Message-ID: I know it's a long shot, but does anyone have a spare AlphaBook docking station they'd like to sell? -- Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:22:37 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <47a517f4$0$15744$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bill Pechter wrote: > > Details on the Universal Access Feature? a good place to start: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ The pages from that one explain the various accessability features Apple has developped since 1985 to help people with disabilities use computers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:11:37 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: F$UNIQUE library function Message-ID: <47a4f8a7$0$90266$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> yyyc186 wrote: > On Jan 27, 12:40 pm, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> yyyc186 wrote: >>> On Jan 24, 8:51 pm, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>>> SharePoint run in IIS, so they have to be on the same box. >>> SharePoint, now THERE is a God-awful product no professional would >>> have designed, developed, or worked on. That thing must be where the >>> team from Microsoft Bob went. >> It is getting very popular these days. It seems to meet customers >> requirements. > > Truth be told, it doesn't meet any requirements other than to inflate > MS income. It is quite a pathetic product which looks more like a > poor imitation of Netware 3.11 than anything else. What does a web portal for collaboration and document management of today have in common with a operating system with build in file server from the early 1990's ?? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:24:29 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: F$UNIQUE library function Message-ID: <47a509ba$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> FredK wrote: > SYS$CREATE_UID creates a valid UUID/GUID as per the standards. It returns a > binary Octaword that can be directly used. However, the display or "wire" > format of a UUID/GUID is broken into fields - some of which are > byte-swapped. The point being, that if you see a text version of a UUID you > cannot simply transpose it directly into a binary Octaword. I learned this > the hard way... > > I believe that F$UNIQUE returns the UID by simply converting the octaword to > hex - so do not just add dashes and expect ot to be a valid wire format > UUID. However, the value will still be unique. Does SYS$CREATE_UID create a version 2 UUID ? Because if it is a version 4 it should not matter whether it is byte swapped or not. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: F$UNIQUE library function Message-ID: <9e719cd1-d923-49a4-8942-744d3a643366@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Feb 2, 5:11 pm, Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > What does a web portal for collaboration and document management > of today have in common with a operating system with build in > file server from the early 1990's ?? If that is all you know about Netware, then it would be like someone trying to explain the sky to a person that had never seen it. Netware had collaboration with its groupware and other components for years. By the time 5.x came out (still in the 90's) it was fully IP and Web based. Oooing and Ahhhing over the pathetic product MS has released is quite simply unthinkable. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:16:52 +0100 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG skrev: > In article , Johnny Billquist writes: >> {...snip...} >> And while the collection is impressive, it's hardly unique, and no I'm not > > I offer neither opinion. I don't believe that the collection is impressive > or unique. DPM merely posted a link to a photo, and old photo it is, which > was only of my desk. The contents of my basement, my garage and my storage > shed were elided. Yes, but that photo was in response to the spoofing of the shut down of ZKO, with the assumption that everyone would get it, when everyone didn't... :-) But I'm not saying that the collection isn't impressive, I'm just saying that it's not impressive enough to be a world wide landmark (yet). >> It's a world-spanning network, and someone local to some specific place, who is >> a local "moron" don't mean that everyone else knows about him. > > A world-spanning network bringing us all closer. I didn't post the comment. > It was posted by another denizen of this newsgroup. I would wager that the > regular constituency of this newsgroup knows me. Obviously there were those who didn't. >>>> They (people like this) exists all over the world, so why should we know >>>> specifically about Brian? :-) >>> You shouldn't. >> Exactly. So why the post on something that people all over the world reads? > > Hang out here and get to know us. Bring some Lakerol! I can try, but I don't make any promises. There is a lot of traffic here, and I might not have time to keep up. And while I still use VMS, it's been a long time since it was close to the center of things I played around with. In all honesty, the main reason I re-subscribed was that I realized (which was through search engines) that occastionally people post questions about PDP-11s and RSX here as well, and I thought I might want to catch and help those people. And if you ever come by Sweden, let me know, and I'll atleast show you a VAX-8650 still running... (among other junk... ;-) ) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:26:03 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: <47a551a3$0$16158$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Johnny Billquist wrote: > But I'm not saying that the collection isn't impressive, I'm just saying that > it's not impressive enough to be a world wide landmark (yet). Nobody outside of the VMS community knows what "ZKO" is. It certaintly isn't a world landmark. But inside the VMS community, ZKO is like Mecca. It was a holy site to the VMS community where the VMS gods worked their magic. Similarly, Mr VAXman's cave isn't a world landmark, but to the comp.os.vms community, it is a landmark. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:34:05 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: VMS - now with a hammer (was Re: Island Computers is moving) Message-ID: <47a50bfa$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard Maher wrote: > Just curious as to how many commercial organizations are running VMS (+/- > WASD,Apache,OSU) as their primary web-facing http server. Even if we limit > to sample to "only those sites that already had VMS for other applications" > I don't believe the percentage wpuld get anywhere near double figures, do > you? <5000 according to http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200801/ ! Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:03:47 -0500 From: bradhamilton Subject: Web servers (was:Re: VMS - now with a hammer (was Re: Island Computers is moving Message-ID: <47A512F3.4080405@comcast.net> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Richard Maher wrote: >> Just curious as to how many commercial organizations are running VMS (+/- >> WASD,Apache,OSU) as their primary web-facing http server. Even if we >> limit >> to sample to "only those sites that already had VMS for other >> applications" >> I don't believe the percentage wpuld get anywhere near double figures, do >> you? > > <5000 according to http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200801/ ! > > Arne > Only if you believe that WASD and OSU cannot be classified as either "Unknown" (3,326,340) or "Other" (1,033,668). :-) Please note, too that Apache is number one on the "survey" (78,374,121). Now of course, VMS cannot be fully attributed to that total, but to me it's still surprising that Apache beats IIS in the survey. As far as Richard's original question goes, I don't think it can be reasonably determined - therefore, I'll say that "double figures" is easily achievable in this context. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:13:40 -0500 From: bradhamilton Subject: Web servers (was:Re: VMS - now with a hammer (was Re: Island Computers is moving Message-ID: <47A51544.2090805@comcast.net> Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Richard Maher wrote: >> Just curious as to how many commercial organizations are running VMS (+/- >> WASD,Apache,OSU) as their primary web-facing http server. Even if we >> limit >> to sample to "only those sites that already had VMS for other >> applications" >> I don't believe the percentage wpuld get anywhere near double figures, do >> you? > > <5000 according to http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/200801/ ! > > Arne Perusing that site further, and to give a partial answer to Richard's query, in August, 2007, among the .COM TLD, OSU was identified in 341 instances, WASD in 88. Please read this page for yourself, and take the results with a HUGE grain of salt, since some of the "responses" include: NOYB Joker.com e A * Stoned and my personal favorite: ENIAC :-) ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.067 ************************