INFO-VAX Sat, 26 Jan 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 51 Contents: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Re: Davos DEGXA Gigabit card special Re: DEGXA Gigabit card special Re: Installing MX 4.2 Re: Installing MX 4.2 Re: Installing MX 4.2 Re: Installing MX 4.2 Re: Installing MX 4.2 Re: Installing MX 4.2 Re: Installing MX 4.2 Time Sensitive Web Cast Invitation for Partners Using disk space on NAS? Your Invited - Richardson Texas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:23:44 -0700 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > Some of them. But the kernel has more than it's share of warts. > Just as an example, which kernel did they choose as their starting > point? A generic kernel or one with the NSA security patches? Start the FreeVMS project over with a *bsd kernel, and Bill G. will be its biggest supporter. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 2008 00:19:07 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <5vvcjrF1o5r5aU1@mid.individual.net> In article , Keith Parris writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> Some of them. But the kernel has more than it's share of warts. >> Just as an example, which kernel did they choose as their starting >> point? A generic kernel or one with the NSA security patches? > > Start the FreeVMS project over with a *bsd kernel, and Bill G. will be > its biggest supporter. ;-) And just how would that be VMS any more than the current one is? It would be BSD (like OSX) with a VMSy look and feel. If you want to clone VMS take the VMS spec and clone it. Anything else will not be VMS. And considering how much is not published, I would not hold my breath waiting for a VMS clone. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:26:02 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Anyone interested in building a vms-like OS? Message-ID: <479AA84A.59921D0A@spam.comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > In article , > Keith Parris writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> Some of them. But the kernel has more than it's share of warts. > >> Just as an example, which kernel did they choose as their starting > >> point? A generic kernel or one with the NSA security patches? > > > > Start the FreeVMS project over with a *bsd kernel, and Bill G. will be > > its biggest supporter. ;-) > > And just how would that be VMS any more than the current one is? It would > be BSD (like OSX) with a VMSy look and feel. If you want to clone VMS take > the VMS spec and clone it. Anything else will not be VMS. And considering > how much is not published, I would not hold my breath waiting for a VMS clone. So the old Internals and Data Structures book is no good? David J Dachtera DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:14:18 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Davos Message-ID: <479a6e6d$0$4318$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Main, Kerry wrote: > "Mark Hurd, chief executive officer of the world's largest technology company, > doesn't chase the public limelight. He doesn't go to high-profile international > business conferences like the upcoming World Economic Forum in Davos, While Carly had no management value and was all glamour, you need to take a serious look at the business guest list for Davos. A lot of serious CEOs there. Just because one goes to Davos doesn't mean that one intends to be extremely public, visible and dancing on tables. There is a lot of business and informal meetings being conducted. And it is also a high profile event where you can accept some serious business interviews with serious media. These allow a CEO to show to the world that he is a real leader. And when done properly, does a lot of good to the corporation's image. While Hurd doesn't *need* to be there, it is not necessarily a bad thing to be there and there can be a lot of value. And NOT being there gives the impression that he wasn't invited and thus not seen as a world business leader. And that isn't so good for HP. Just because La Carly exagerated her importance in the world doesn't mean that going to Davos and behaving like a mature leader doesn't have value. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:10:11 GMT From: David Turner Subject: DEGXA Gigabit card special Message-ID: Got some refurbished ones in for $309 That is dealer to dealer pricing 12 months warranty Call or use webstore (secure) https://icusc.com Do a search on 3x-degxa-ta - this is the copper gigabit card David Turner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:17:33 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DEGXA Gigabit card special Message-ID: <479a98b1$0$15767$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> David Turner wrote: > Got some refurbished ones in for $309 > That is dealer to dealer pricing > 12 months warranty Are these Q-BUS cards compatible with an all mighty Microvax II ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:53:46 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Installing MX 4.2 Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:11 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > I though I'd install MX on my little box over here. > Found a kit at last on the Freeware-4 kit. It's lacking > from the later kits, I think I've seen something about > it not beeing "free" anymore !? > > First : > > > $ tcpip sh ver > > > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.6 - ECO 2 > > on an AlphaStation XP900 466 MHz running OpenVMS V8.2 > > > > $ > > > > Now, the install failes with : > > > Now installing the LISTSERV interface image. > > > >%VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set L ... > >%MX-I-LINKING, Linking image MX_LSV... > >%LINK-W-MULCLUOPT, cluster multiply defined > > in options file DSA10:[SYS0.SYSUPD.MX042]MX_LSV.ALPHA_OPT;3 > >%VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.2 has failed. > > (The other options installs OK, but this makes the install exit...) > > The OPT file (extracted from the MX042.L saveset) : > > $ type MX_LSV.ALPHA_OPT > VMI$KWD:LSV.ALPHA_OLB/INCLUDE=MX_LSV/LIB > VMI$KWD:COMMON.ALPHA_OLB/LIBRARY > MX_SHR:/SHARE > VMI$KWD:MX_FLQ_SHR.EXE/SHARE > NETLIB_SHRXFR:/SHARE > $ > > I'm totaly lost here. > > If I de-select the "LISTSERV interface" option, the other > parts installs fine and I can get the MCP prompt and all, > but I *think* I need the LISTSERV option to get the > mailing lists (my primary reason to install MX) to run. > > Anyway clues on what the error message is trying to > explain to me ? > > And, this is the latest available (free) MX kit, right ? > > Jan-Erik. Why not use 5.4? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:58:31 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Installing MX 4.2 Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:11 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: > >> I though I'd install MX on my little box over here. >>... >>... >> Found a kit at last on the Freeware-4 kit.... >>... >> %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.2 has failed. >> >> Jan-Erik. > > Why not use 5.4? > > Yes, why not ? Link ? URL ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:21:27 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Installing MX 4.2 Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:58:31 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:11 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm >> wrote: >> >>> I though I'd install MX on my little box over here. >>> ... > >>... >>> Found a kit at last on the Freeware-4 kit.... > >>... >>> %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.2 has failed. >>> >>> Jan-Erik. >> Why not use 5.4? >> > > Yes, why not ? > > Link ? > URL ? > > Jan-Erik. Matt Madison has shutdown his site and listserv, but I would send him mail privately his-last-name at madgoat dot com -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 2008 22:28:48 +0100 From: eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Installing MX 4.2 Message-ID: <479a62a0$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >Tom Linden wrote: >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:11 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm >> wrote: >> >>> I though I'd install MX on my little box over here. >>>... >>> Found a kit at last on the Freeware-4 kit.... > >>... >>> %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.2 has failed. >>> >>> Jan-Erik. >> >> Why not use 5.4? > >Yes, why not ? Because, since V5, MX was no longer free. (IIRC, I paid $499 then) It got Anti-SPAM features (which were ahead of time and worth every price). >Link ? >URL ? I could offer the kits, but I can't offer a license. That's the duty of Matt. http://www.madgoat.com/ But unfortunately, his website is down, and maybe his mailbox is as well. I do not think that he offers licenses now (at least, that was my impression when I last browsed his webserver) but I also don't think, that he declared MX V5 now as freeware (eg. he could offer a PAK here in the newsgroup for all). So, MX V4 is unfortunately still the only official MX freeware for you. But there is TCPware/Multinet/TCPIP, all in hobbyist versions, as U know... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:42:41 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Installing MX 4.2 Message-ID: In article <479a62a0$1@news.langstoeger.at>, eplan@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: > > >In article , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >>Tom Linden wrote: >>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:11 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I though I'd install MX on my little box over here. >>>>... >>>> Found a kit at last on the Freeware-4 kit.... >> >>... >>>> %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.2 has failed. >>>> >>>> Jan-Erik. >>> >>> Why not use 5.4? >> >>Yes, why not ? > >Because, since V5, MX was no longer free. (IIRC, I paid $499 then) >It got Anti-SPAM features (which were ahead of time and worth every price). > >>Link ? >>URL ? > >I could offer the kits, but I can't offer a license. That's the duty of Matt. > > http://www.madgoat.com/ I was just emailing with Matt in the past few days so he does still respond at the dot com address prefixed by mad goat and his surname. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:25:26 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Installing MX 4.2 Message-ID: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: > In article , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >> Tom Linden wrote: >>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:11 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I though I'd install MX on my little box over here. >>>> ... >>>> Found a kit at last on the Freeware-4 kit.... >>>> ... >>>> %VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.2 has failed. >>>> >>>> Jan-Erik. >>> Why not use 5.4? >> Yes, why not ? > > Because, since V5, MX was no longer free. That was what I seems to remember. "MX" (4.2) is still listed on the OpenVMS list of software packages at Process : http://vms.process.com/fileserv-software.html but the link to the ZIP is brooken. Anyway, I do have 4.2 from the VMS freeware archive anyway... Now, if I'd just could be kicked in the right direction, I'll probably work out what's the problem with that actual linker error I get... He, last time a had a running MX I think it was called 3.1 or 3.2 and it was on a mV-3100/90... :-) I need no fancy stuff, just the listserver... Jan-Erik. (IIRC, I paid $499 then) > It got Anti-SPAM features (which were ahead of time and worth every price). > >> Link ? >> URL ? > > I could offer the kits, but I can't offer a license. That's the duty of Matt. > > http://www.madgoat.com/ > > But unfortunately, his website is down, and maybe his mailbox is as well. > I do not think that he offers licenses now (at least, that was my impression > when I last browsed his webserver) but I also don't think, that he declared > MX V5 now as freeware (eg. he could offer a PAK here in the newsgroup for all). > So, MX V4 is unfortunately still the only official MX freeware for you. > > But there is TCPware/Multinet/TCPIP, all in hobbyist versions, as U know... > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:05:52 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Installing MX 4.2 Message-ID: <479ab19e$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > I though I'd install MX on my little box over here. > Found a kit at last on the Freeware-4 kit. It's lacking > from the later kits, I think I've seen something about > it not beeing "free" anymore !? > Now, the install failes with : > > > Now installing the LISTSERV interface image. > > > >%VMSINSTAL-I-RESTORE, Restoring product save set L ... > >%MX-I-LINKING, Linking image MX_LSV... > >%LINK-W-MULCLUOPT, cluster multiply defined > > in options file DSA10:[SYS0.SYSUPD.MX042]MX_LSV.ALPHA_OPT;3 > >%VMSINSTAL-E-INSFAIL, The installation of MX V4.2 has failed. > > (The other options installs OK, but this makes the install exit...) > > The OPT file (extracted from the MX042.L saveset) : > > $ type MX_LSV.ALPHA_OPT > VMI$KWD:LSV.ALPHA_OLB/INCLUDE=MX_LSV/LIB > VMI$KWD:COMMON.ALPHA_OLB/LIBRARY > MX_SHR:/SHARE > VMI$KWD:MX_FLQ_SHR.EXE/SHARE > NETLIB_SHRXFR:/SHARE > $ > > I'm totaly lost here. I know that I had problems building MX 4.2 in 2001 and had to change "something" to get it to build. I can not remember what I changed. But I have a ZIP that include my changes. Drop me an email if you want a copy to try with. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Subject: Time Sensitive Web Cast Invitation for Partners Message-ID: <4c03f79c-2b11-4202-a383-455ed5629cf5@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> If you are a DSPP Member you are invited to attend the following Dear VMS Partners, Please forward as needed. The following OpenVMS Web Cast is designed for OpenVMS Partners NOTICE that it is 10;11 PST Topic: OpenVMS 8.3-1H1 and the 30th Anniversary of OpenVMS! (There is also a storage update at the end, I saw the slides today) When: January 31 2008 Time 10-11 PST Registration and information link is now posted on the DSPP site here: (URL may wrap) http://h21007.www2.hp.com/portal/site/dspp/menuitem.4fec34fa086db5cad9b7aa33ed74e601/?eventMonth=1200101715677&isArchive=false&topic= Warm Regards, Sue ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 2008 23:11:32 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Using disk space on NAS? Message-ID: I've been researching a building a NAS device for at home. Unless something better comes to light I'll be using FreeNAS. It handles ftp, rsync, NFS, AFP (Appletalk), iSCSI, CIFS/SMB, and one or two other things. My current home VMS system is an XP1000/667 running OpenVMS 8.3 with 2GB RAM, 100Mbit Ethernet, DLT7000 tape drive, and the following disks; 18GB system disk, 50GB Scratch, 36GB Web, and 36GB User. The web and user disks are volume shadowed. The problem I have is that these are 10,000RPM SCSI drives running in external JBOD enclosures in my dining room. In other words they generate some definite heat and noise. I mainly use the system as a Web, email, and database server. The light fileserver duties it has been performed in the past will move to the NAS. Looking around iSCSI appears to be just about perfect for my needs, however, except for an EAK on Itanium that doesn't exist right now (I gather it will be in 8.4). This basically leaves NFS. Does anyone have any experience using either plain Unix NFS space from VMS, or using logical disk containers on Unix NFS space? What kind of problems should I expect? While 100Mbit isn't that fast, it is probably fast enough for what I am doing with the system, and if this works out, I might invest in a GigE controller. Zane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:11:58 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Subject: Your Invited - Richardson Texas Message-ID: <78371345-a400-4762-9d89-3eecc2d75c76@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Dear Newsgroup, This url has more information. I would really like to see a lot of VMS folks there. The registration date will be extended I belive. https://h30046.www3.hp.com/campaigns/2007/events/integrity/index.php? jumpid=em_edm/us/jan08/ent/tsg/event/mrm/mcc/loc/servers/cust- integrityconf ------------------------ Sorry for all the email this week. I do not normally send attachments but you need the details. The attached PDF is an invitation to Integrity Users Conference in Richardson Texas. Please feel free to forward or post. OpenVMS will have the following: Clair Grant on OpenVMS version 8.3-1H1 and futures Barry Kierstein on OpenVMS virtualization now and into the future (abstract attached) Demo on OpenVMS Virtualization (including futures) Any Questions let me know. Warm Regards, Sue Abstract OpenVMS Enterprise Management and Virtualization futures Hewlett-Packard has based part of its enterprise management strategy on Web-Based Enterprise Management (WBEM) from the Distributed Management Task Force (DMTF). The DMTF is an organization leading the development, adoption and promotion of interoperable management standards and initiatives. The DMTF has specified a Common Information Model (CIM) for the industry to follow. The Open Group has developed software called Pegasus to implement this model. HP-UX and OpenVMS have ported Pegasus to their Operating Systems as the basis for their enterprise management solutions. OpenVMS engineers download and build the Pegasus code on a daily basis and routinely integrate the code into the base operating system for shipment to customers. This industry standard model allows OpenVMS to incorporate rapidly changing data schemas from both inside and outside HP. Using WBEM as the management infrastructure enables customers using OpenVMS to manage systems as they would HP-UX, Windows or Linux all from a single pane of glass. The single pane of glass strategy is implemented using HP Systems Insight Manager (HP SIM). Using HP SIM and OpenVMS WEBM technology in 2008 and 2009 users will be able to discover and monitor c7000 enclosures with BL860 and BL870 Blades from remote locations. Users are able to provision up to eight blades at one time from any location in the world as long as they have web access and a local area network. Using "follow the red" users are able to detect failures of their systems and drill down to isolate the reason for the failure, sometimes to the specific CPU level of the failure. Using the WBEM infrastructure OpenVMS will become a fully functional Virtual guest in a Virtual Server Environment. With Virtual Connect, blades and blade enclosures can be configured across a variety of network configurations regardless of operating system being deployed. With Capacity Advisor a user can migrate an operating system guest based on usage to optimize work being done. Using Global Workload Manager a user is able balance work loads and move workloads based on pre-planned policies ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.051 ************************