INFO-VAX Sun, 16 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 687 Contents: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: MicroVAX 3100-80 Problem Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: ZKO to close Re: ZKO to close Re: ZKO to close Re: ZKO to close Re: ZKO to close Re: ZKO to close Re: ZKO to close ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Dec 07 14:30:34 EST From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Message-ID: In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article , cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes: >>If the logical NEWS_ROOT is defined and neither /NETSERVER or >>/NETPROTOCOL is given on the NEWS command, it should default to >>accessing the local files directly? > > Here it does not. NEWS_ROOT is defined. > >>Does the NEWSMGR account have the identifier specified by the logical >>NEWS_MGR_ID? > > Yes, it does. > >>Does the NEWSMGR's NEWSRC. file have >>PROFILE >>NEWREGISTER=none >> >>at the end? > > This is not the case. > >>This will prevent the new group questions? > > The new group question aren't a problem. If there is no DECNET and no NEWSRC > NEWS asks for the protocol (DECNET or TCP) and for the host to connect to. If > DECNET is running NEWS will create NEWSRC automatically. I do not understand the problem. NEWSRC only needs created once. What is the problem once it has been created? The first line of NEWSRC. determines what protocol should be used. The first line for non-nntp access should start with a zero followed by the current news group, article number and "^1". For example: 0 comp.os.vms 416926^1 If the line starts with ~ and a host name, then it will use NNTP unless overriden by /NETSERVER or /NETPROTOCOL. > Will NEWS/NONETSERVER allow to run NEWS without DECNET? It appears from a quick look at the code, that the behavior will change in some way, but without a detailed look, I am not sure what all will change other than it will probably overide any nntp setting on the first line of NEWSRC. George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:50:30 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Message-ID: In article , cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes: >In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: >> The new group question aren't a problem. If there is no DECNET and no NEWSRC >> NEWS asks for the protocol (DECNET or TCP) and for the host to connect to. If >> DECNET is running NEWS will create NEWSRC automatically. > >I do not understand the problem. NEWSRC only needs created once. What >is the problem once it has been created? NEWS didn't start until I removed the NEWSRC. Then it asked for the protocol and the server. >The first line of NEWSRC. determines what protocol should be used. This was DECNET. ANUNEWS was running on an old MicroVAX before I moved it to an Alpha. >> Will NEWS/NONETSERVER allow to run NEWS without DECNET? > >It appears from a quick look at the code, that the behavior will change >in some way, but without a detailed look, I am not sure what all will >change other than it will probably overide any nntp setting on the first >line of NEWSRC. I'll simply test this. I wasn't aware of these qualifiers of the NEWS command. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:28:47 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Message-ID: In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: >>> Will NEWS/NONETSERVER allow to run NEWS without DECNET? >> >>It appears from a quick look at the code, that the behavior will change >>in some way, but without a detailed look, I am not sure what all will >>change other than it will probably overide any nntp setting on the first >>line of NEWSRC. > >I'll simply test this. I wasn't aware of these qualifiers of the NEWS command. In fact, on a node without DECNET, starting NEWS with /NONETSERVER NEWSMGR was able to see the control group and was able to add batchfiles. Even the existing NEWSRC with DECNET didn't bother the program. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:10:52 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: >I'm looking for a nice graphic of the old blue (or older) |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| >logo. Preferable something drawn with graphic software rather than >photographed or scanned. All I've been able to find is the later red one, >like this: http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/digital_556.jpg Anyone running an old (pre-1993, maybe later) version of VMS w/DECwindows has the blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo on their system. The one that displays on the screen before you login. I don't remember the file name other than it doesn't have a normal (.gif/jpg/whatever) extension. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2007 00:19:17 GMT From: Hans Bachner Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3100-80 Problem Message-ID: Alexander Horn wrote: > System: digital(TM) MicroVAX 3100-80 (KA47) > Model: 470ZM-B9 > S/N: AY233C2253 > SCSI Disk: Seagate ST31320N > > Yesterday, I got my first ``own'' VAX, > but my Console Terminal (A transtec VT420) [later my OPA0, I hope] > displays the following content: > > [...] > KA47-A V1.1-31E-V4.0 > 08-00-2B-2F-61-25 > 24MB > [...................................] > > OK fine so far. > A "SHOW DEV" says: > > VMS/VMB ADDR DEVTYPE NUMBYTES RM/FX WP DEVNAM REV > ------- ---- ------- -------- ----- -- ------ --- > ESA0 08-00-2B-2F-61-25 > ..HostID A/3 INITR > > > Something is wrong my "baby"... because the Seagate ST31150N is "OK".. This looks strange - your SCSI controller is set to SCSI ID 3. If your disk is also set to ID 3 then you won't see it. There should be a console command to change the setting: >>> SET SCSI ID 6 will return it to what was the default in the VAX world. Hans. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:52:42 +0100 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: In article , Fred Bach wrote: > In case there were several exclamation > points, you'd want to "Collapse" the string and then select the first > character and see if it was a "!". The same might be true if you have a program > with lots of empty lines starting with $ Dollar signs. Does F$EDIT(string,"UNCOMMENT") get you where you want to be with that? -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:41:56 -0800 (PST) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: ZKO to close Message-ID: This has been done to death already. See http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/5ff22a98c9dd7750 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:02:16 -0000 From: "David Biddulph" Subject: Re: ZKO to close Message-ID: "IanMiller" wrote in message news:b0d05658-efaa-4ece-aebd-00027cb5664d@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > This has been done to death already. > > See > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/5ff22a98c9dd7750 The message from Charles to which you are replying (but all of which you have snipped) was dated about 5 hours earlier than the start of the other thread, but seems to have taken about 3 days to arrive. -- David Biddulph ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:38:38 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: ZKO to close Message-ID: FWIW, this needs to move with the rest of VMS engineering. http://wiz.openvms.org/images/zk03bench/jw_zk03_bench_2.jpg -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:59:46 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: ZKO to close Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > FWIW, this needs to move with the rest of VMS engineering. > > http://wiz.openvms.org/images/zk03bench/jw_zk03_bench_2.jpg OK, consider this SPECULATION just for a minute. Say that 3 months after the move, HP announces the end of VMS. Where should the bench go after there is nothing VMS related left at the MA site ? Perhaps a better tribute would be to have the onwer of ZKO declare the bench (and perhaps the non-paged pool) to be historical monuments that must remain in place for perpetuity. Or is there some computer museum who would accept the bench ? Mr Wisniewski was known outside of the VMS community as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:54:28 +0100 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: ZKO to close Message-ID: In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > FWIW, this needs to move with the rest of VMS engineering. > > http://wiz.openvms.org/images/zk03bench/jw_zk03_bench_2.jpg Roundly seconded. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:20:45 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: ZKO to close Message-ID: JF Mezei schrieb: > OK, consider this SPECULATION just for a minute. Say that 3 months after > the move, HP announces the end of VMS. Where should the bench go after > there is nothing VMS related left at the MA site ? > > Perhaps a better tribute would be to have the onwer of ZKO declare the > bench (and perhaps the non-paged pool) to be historical monuments that > must remain in place for perpetuity. Wise move. Otherwise Mr. Wisniewski's ghost surely will rise from the underworld and haunt the new owners, just like in that Poltergeist movie. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:05:52 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: ZKO to close Message-ID: JF Mezei writes: >Perhaps a better tribute would be to have the onwer of ZKO declare the >bench (and perhaps the non-paged pool) to be historical monuments that >must remain in place for perpetuity. Unfortunately, the owner of ZKO is no longer HP (sold maybe 6 months ago), it's some corporate property management co. now. They have even less motivation than even HP to do something like that. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.687 ************************