INFO-VAX Sat, 15 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 685 Contents: Re: "snapshot" backup and HBVS Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo RE: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Wireless USB Missile Launcher Re: Wireless USB Missile Launcher ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:42:06 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: "snapshot" backup and HBVS Message-ID: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >In article >, >norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >> ITSM it was suggested that the third member cosist of a 2-spindle >> mirror-set >> from the SAN. Then, if you need to use the third volume, you split it >> into >> two separate 1-spindle LUNs and mount them as a shadow-set pair. >Will that force a full copy? No. However, you have to be careful with the MOUNT command since the disks will have the same label as the shadowset they came from but different VMS device names, which will not match the names in the SCB. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 07 16:24:31 EST From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Message-ID: <5MhW2Rx$9UkD@wvnvms> In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article , cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes: >>That brings back unpleasant memories. In the early years of supporting >>Mosaic on VMS, it was a constant struggle to keep the build working >>because DEC C and Multinet were constantly changing their header files >>in incompatible ways. I probably just got lucky (or did some hacking) >>with the particular DEC C and Multinet versions I last built ANU-NEWS with. > > Finally I have ANUNEWS for Multinet compiled and working. From what I found > so far: > - Process Software says that one should use HP's header files and that they > no longer maintain their own header files. With this in mind, I removed > a few includes from the Multinet header files and came a big step further. > - I had to comment out a few constants in UAF.H. > - I had to modify NEWSBUILD.COM to have three modules compiled with > /ASSUME=NOALIGN > - I realized that DECNET is necessary in order to have NEWS add batch > files. > So the only thing left are a few warnings in NNTP_TCPUCXM.C, all like > the following: > > memcpyv(t->write_buffer + write_buffer_len, b->line, len); > ........^ > %CC-W-NOTVOLQUAL, In this statement, the referenced type of the pointer value > "t->write_buffer+write_buffer_len" is volatile, but the referenced type of the > target of this assignment is not. > > I don't think that this will cause problems. But if anybody knows how to fix > this, I am interested ;-) The following change will stop the warnings: ************ File S4:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]NNTP_TCPUCXM.C;2 351 #define memcpyv(s1,s2,n) memcpy((void *)(s1), (void *)(s2),n) 352 #define memmovev(s1,s2,n) memmove((void *)(s1), (char *)s2, n) 353 #define memchrv(s,c,n) memchr((char *)s, c, n) ****** File S4:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]NNTP_TCPUCXM.C;1 351 #define memcpyv(s1,s2,n) memcpy(s1,s2,n) 352 #define memmovev(s1,s2,n) memmove(s1, (char *)s2, n) 353 #define memchrv(s,c,n) memchr((char *)s, c, n) > In addition, I wouldn't mind if there were a way to have ANUNEWS working > without DECNET. I am not sure what you mean about needing DECNET. Please give some more details. George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:32:07 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Message-ID: In article <5MhW2Rx$9UkD@wvnvms>, cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes: >The following change will stop the warnings: > >************ >File S4:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]NNTP_TCPUCXM.C;2 > 351 #define memcpyv(s1,s2,n) memcpy((void *)(s1), (void *)(s2),n) > 352 #define memmovev(s1,s2,n) memmove((void *)(s1), (char *)s2, n) > 353 #define memchrv(s,c,n) memchr((char *)s, c, n) >****** >File S4:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]NNTP_TCPUCXM.C;1 > 351 #define memcpyv(s1,s2,n) memcpy(s1,s2,n) > 352 #define memmovev(s1,s2,n) memmove(s1, (char *)s2, n) > 353 #define memchrv(s,c,n) memchr((char *)s, c, n) Thank you very much. >> In addition, I wouldn't mind if there were a way to have ANUNEWS working >> without DECNET. > >I am not sure what you mean about needing DECNET. Please give some >more details. After the successfull compile the .BATCH files started arriving, but starting NEWS from within the NEWSMGR account showed, that an ADD/BATCH command did simply nothing - no error, no processing, simply the NEWS> prompt returned. The next thing I noticed was that NEWSMGR could no longer see the "control" newsgroup. When I removed the ACCESS.NEWS file, the control group became accessible again. The third phenomen was, that a new NEWSRC. file was required. After quite some debugging I noticed that NEWS program didn't realize when it was running on the local host and hence used the username "nntp" instead of "NEWSMGR". Of course, "nntp" has no privilege to add batchfiles or access the control group. When DECNET is running a NEWSRC. is automatically created, without DECNET one has to answer questions for this file. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 07 19:30:44 EST From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Message-ID: In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article <5MhW2Rx$9UkD@wvnvms>, cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes: >>The following change will stop the warnings: >> >>************ >>File S4:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]NNTP_TCPUCXM.C;2 >> 351 #define memcpyv(s1,s2,n) memcpy((void *)(s1), (void *)(s2),n) >> 352 #define memmovev(s1,s2,n) memmove((void *)(s1), (char *)s2, n) >> 353 #define memchrv(s,c,n) memchr((char *)s, c, n) >>****** >>File S4:[ANUNEWS.NEWS_SRC]NNTP_TCPUCXM.C;1 >> 351 #define memcpyv(s1,s2,n) memcpy(s1,s2,n) >> 352 #define memmovev(s1,s2,n) memmove(s1, (char *)s2, n) >> 353 #define memchrv(s,c,n) memchr((char *)s, c, n) > > Thank you very much. > >>> In addition, I wouldn't mind if there were a way to have ANUNEWS working >>> without DECNET. >> >>I am not sure what you mean about needing DECNET. Please give some >>more details. > > After the successfull compile the .BATCH files started arriving, but starting > NEWS from within the NEWSMGR account showed, that an ADD/BATCH command did > simply nothing - no error, no processing, simply the NEWS> prompt returned. > The next thing I noticed was that NEWSMGR could no longer see the "control" > newsgroup. When I removed the ACCESS.NEWS file, the control group became > accessible again. The third phenomen was, that a new NEWSRC. file was required. > After quite some debugging I noticed that NEWS program didn't realize when > it was running on the local host and hence used the username "nntp" instead of > "NEWSMGR". Of course, "nntp" has no privilege to add batchfiles or access the > control group. When DECNET is running a NEWSRC. is automatically created, > without DECNET one has to answer questions for this file. If the logical NEWS_ROOT is defined and neither /NETSERVER or /NETPROTOCOL is given on the NEWS command, it should default to accessing the local files directly? Does the NEWSMGR account have the identifier specified by the logical NEWS_MGR_ID? Does the NEWSMGR's NEWSRC. file have PROFILE NEWREGISTER=none at the end? This will prevent the new group questions? George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:39:26 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >In article , kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: >> >> >>I'm looking for a nice graphic of the old blue (or older) |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| >>logo. Preferable something drawn with graphic software rather than >>photographed or scanned. All I've been able to find is the later red one, >>like this: http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/digital_556.jpg >I have a .PNG that is the maroon red color. With some image software, you >could easily change the color mask to blue. Will that do? There is another difference between the maroon and blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logos. The blue one has square dots on the i, the maroon has round dots. (I wonder if anyone ever created a font based on either logo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:54:11 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > >>In article , kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: >>> >>> >>>I'm looking for a nice graphic of the old blue (or older) |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| >>>logo. Preferable something drawn with graphic software rather than >>>photographed or scanned. All I've been able to find is the later red one, >>>like this: http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/digital_556.jpg > >>I have a .PNG that is the maroon red color. With some image software, you >>could easily change the color mask to blue. Will that do? > >There is another difference between the maroon and blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| >logos. The blue one has square dots on the i, the maroon has round dots. > >(I wonder if anyone ever created a font based on either logo) Very little work would be needed to make squares out of those round dots. I googled and found a black .GIF with square dots. The resolution isn't as nice as the .PNG I have but you could change that .GIF to blue easily too. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:31:00 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Wilts Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: <0bfbdde4-a58c-4b83-b1f3-8078bb995e0c@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Dec 14, 11:22 am, kaplo...@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) wrote: > I'm looking for a nice graphic of the old blue (or older) |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| > logo. Preferable something drawn with graphic software rather than > photographed or scanned. All I've been able to find is the later red one, > like this:http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/digital_556.jpg > > Pointers to a link would be great. Please do not eamil graphic files to this > address. Thanks. How about a 1962 logo? It's scanned but it's better than nothing. http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/logos/ See also http://vt100.net/dec/logo That's enough free research for you on a Friday afternoon :-) Cheers, .../Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:59:33 -0500 From: Paul Anderson Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: In article , kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) wrote: > I'm looking for a nice graphic of the old blue (or older) > |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo. Preferable something drawn with graphic > software rather than photographed or scanned. All I've been able to > find is the later red one, like this: > http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/digital_556.jpg I got a monochrome PostScript version from the senior engineer whose commute will become shorter with our move to Massachusetts. He also had a DECpresent version but perhaps the PostScript one will be more useful. Let me know if you want either one. Paul -- Paul Anderson OpenVMS Engineering Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:28:38 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: <9e2a2046-c321-4571-8f7c-aee832562ecf@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Dec 14, 6:22 pm, kaplo...@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) wrote: > I'm looking for a nice graphic of the old blue (or older) |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| > logo. Preferable something drawn with graphic software rather than > photographed or scanned. All I've been able to find is the later red one, > like this:http://www.vaxination.ca/vms/alpha/digital_556.jpg > > Pointers to a link would be great. Please do not eamil graphic files to th= is > address. Thanks. > Digital (bars) - digital_logo_bleu.gif (GIF Image, 106x37 pixels) http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/a0a2b8f156be5d1= e/05e6490c0fb1e812?hl=3Den& Digital (bars) - animated - digital-red-blue-peel-blur.gif (GIF Image, 124x40 pixels) http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/digital-red-blue-peel-blur.gif Digital (bars) - purple-dec-logo.gif (GIF Image, 200x100 pixels) http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/a0a2b8f156be5d1= e/05e6490c0fb1e812?hl=3Den& Digital (bars) - digital.gif (GIF Image, 250x78 pixels) - Wayback Machine http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/browse_frm/thread/a0a2b8f156be5d1= e/05e6490c0fb1e812?hl=3Den& > BTW, after seeing the announcement for the PDP LinkedIn group, I was > wondering if there was interest in a Digital alumni group. I see them for = HP > and IBM and other computer companies; DEC needs to be represented there. O= r > is there already one there that I somehow missed? > Digital Alumni Website http://www.decalumni.com/ Digital Semiconductor Alumni home page http://www.bershad.com/ds/ DIGITAL Workstations Engineering Alumni & Alumnae Page http://mysite.verizon.net/vze1than/dwsalum.htm Illinois & Wisconsin Former Digital Equipment Corporation Employees http://www.exdec.org/ oud digital; digital; reunie - Digital Netherlands Reunion http://www.ouddigital.nl/ Southern California Digital Equipment Corporation Alumni web site http://www.socaldec.org/ Welkom bij DECnet - Nederland Ex-employ=E9 Trefpunt http://www.decnet.nl/ DECwest Alumni http://www.decwestalumni.org/ DECwest Storage Group Alumni - Wayback Machine http://web.archive.org/web/20060821183416/http://www.naturalcauses.com/stora= ge/ DEC Notes Conference for DEC_ALUMNI http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D04/11/29/6804517 Neil Rieck's *DEC Memorial Site* - Wayback Machine http://web.archive.org/web/20041208014957/http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/l= inks/dec_memorial_site.html *DECadence - using Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine* http://web.archive.org/web/20030602184625/http://www.telnet.hu/hamster/decad= ence/e_index.html Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: <2e1ee10f-ce91-4b42-a234-bc675f2376f0@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Oops! Soory, I had a little mistake with Cut&Paste - thrice! Digital (bars) - digital_logo_bleu.gif (GIF Image, 106x37 http://oase.uci.ru.nl/~polf/digital/logos/digital_logo_bleu.gif Digital (bars) - animated - digital-red-blue-peel-blur.gif (GIF Image, 124x40 pixels) http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/images/digital-red-blue-peel-blur.gif Digital (bars) - purple-dec-logo.gif (GIF Image, 200x100 pixels) http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen/images/purple-dec-logo.gif Digital (bars) - digital.gif (GIF Image, 250x78 pixels) - Wayback Machine http://web.archive.org/web/20040117191549/http://www.xanthosmicrosystems.com/~joachim/digital.gif Cheers! Keith ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 2007 16:33:27 -0600 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: <1z2rytAJfNSV@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > There is another difference between the maroon and blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| > logos. The blue one has square dots on the i, the maroon has round dots. Sharp eye! I never caught the change, but even my pdp-8 front panel has square dots over the eyes. -- Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<< Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://www.nira-rocketry.org/Document/Phantom4000.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org Sir, if I was building a weapon of mass destruction, you wouldn't be able to find it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:05:19 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: Paul Anderson wrote: > I got a monochrome PostScript version from the senior engineer whose > commute will become shorter with our move to Massachusetts. Would be interested in it. Is is the pre-Palmer logo, or the post Palmer era logo ? (ega: suare dots on I or round ones ) ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:43:56 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: <44f9$476330ca$cef8887a$2635@TEKSAVVY.COM> Bob Kaplow wrote: >> logos. The blue one has square dots on the i, the maroon has round dots. > > Sharp eye! I never caught the change, but even my pdp-8 front panel has > square dots over the eyes. You don't remember when Palmer took office ? One of the first things he decided to do was to give Digital a new image by changing its logo. The type of red/maroon was slightly changed, the dots on i's were changed, and as I have now learned on the vt100.net site, the shape of the "a" was ever so slightly altered. Lots of people joked about how much this change would cost Digital just to change the colour a little bit and put rounded dots. The rounded dots, according to an obviously highl;y paid PR firm, was to send a message that Digital would now be friendlier and more flexible than a "rigid" Digital with square dots. If there is interest, and Mr anderson gives me the .ps file, I could generate .PDFs and other artwork format as well as properly scaled images of the Dec logo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:09:12 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: December 14, 2007 8:44 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: looking for blue |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo > > Bob Kaplow wrote: > >> logos. The blue one has square dots on the i, the maroon has round > dots. > > > > Sharp eye! I never caught the change, but even my pdp-8 front panel > has > > square dots over the eyes. > > You don't remember when Palmer took office ? One of the first things he > decided to do was to give Digital a new image by changing its logo. [snip ...] Speaking of Palmer days .. One of the things I remember was him sending an email to the entire Manufacturing Org + lots of other parts of the company congratulating a group on getting one of the Alpha products to market in a very tight timeframe ( I forget which one it was). Oh yeah, the interesting part was that it was a VMSmail - not All-In-1 as the entire Manufacturing org was one of the last hold-outs. Being the pack rat I am, I could likely did that memo out - ah well .. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:07:15 -0800 From: Fred Bach Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: JF, Actually, I use code much like this in most of my DCL procedures which have to open other files for input data. Sometimes you even want to skip the line if it starts with an exclamation point. In case there were several exclamation points, you'd want to "Collapse" the string and then select the first character and see if it was a "!". The same might be true if you have a program with lots of empty lines starting with $ Dollar signs. Good programming practise also takes care of first properly closing possibly open files before opening them again, and takes care of properly closing open files on a execution interruption like a CTRL-Y. I have been burned by this many times, so you really should always use a Close/Nolog before you Open . A If the file is already closed, CLOSE/NOLOG has not effect and doesn't even complain. And it would be good if your OPEN statements had a /ERROR= on them where in that subroutine you grabbed the value of $STATUS and used it to generate a custom error message for the user. Anyway, good work, JF, on providing the FREE code. You just beat me to it, that's all. I would have done the same. My Remove_Empty_Lines.com that I've used for years looks much like yours. .. fred bach music at triumf dot c a JF Mezei wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> I'll write one if you pay me! It's cheaper to do your own homework and >> you'll learn more!!!!! > > Watch out for that newfangled thing called open source, it can ruin your > revenu source ! > Add this: $ CLOSE/NOLOG input $ CLOSE/NOLOG output $ ON CONTROL_Y THEN GOTO ENDLOOP > $OPEN/read input myfile.txt > $OPEN/write output yourfile.txt > $! > $LOOP: > $ READ/END=ENDLOOP input buffer > $ test = F$EDIT(buffer,"COLLAPSE") ! removes all spaces/tabs > $ IF test .eqs. "" then goto LOOP > $ write output buffer > $ goto loop: > $! > $endloop: > $close input > $close output > $write sys$output "Done" > $exit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:19:20 -0800 (PST) From: sean@obanion.us Subject: Wireless USB Missile Launcher Message-ID: <301d6930-7e48-4e61-bcef-d1f9e1127c9e@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com> So, how many of these can be put around the helicopter pad at ZKO and run by one Integrity? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/12/14/wireless_usb_missile_launcher/ Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:05:49 -0500 From: Forrest Kenney Subject: Re: Wireless USB Missile Launcher Message-ID: <4762F02D.EFE479F@hp.com> Let's see on an IA64 system there are two OHCI controllers each with a maximum of 127 devices. Figure on average most hubs have 4 ports which means 3 per hub, max hub depth 5. Plus can hook them up to the high speed controller as well. So plenty, the question is does this look like the existing USB missle launcher and use the same commands. With the existance of UG driver it is just a small matter of programming. Forrest Ps. I gave Alan Frisbie has the source code for the non-wireless USB missile launcher. sean@obanion.us wrote: > > So, how many of these can be put around the helicopter pad at ZKO and > run by one Integrity? > > http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/12/14/wireless_usb_missile_launcher/ > > Sean ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.685 ************************