INFO-VAX Sat, 03 Nov 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 602 Contents: Re: DCL Symmetry WAS: DCL command - No system messages at times Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: minimum system requirements for OpenVMS 7.3 VAX Re: OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Re: Revisited: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS [OT, but clever and funny] The day the routers died... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 07:31:23 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: DCL Symmetry WAS: DCL command - No system messages at times Message-ID: On 11/03/07 00:09, Jeff Campbell wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote: >> Tom Linden wrote: >>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:23:29 -0700, Ken Robinson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/1/07, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >>>>> Chuck Aaron wrote: >>>>>> On my Alph servers running VMS 8.3 at times (not all the time) >>>>>> if I enter in a DCL command like for example: >>>>>> >>>>>> SHOW INTRUSION/TYPE=ALL >>>>>> and there are no intrusions I normally get the message: >>>>>> >>>>>> %SHOW-F-NOINTRUDERS, no intrusion records match specification >>>>>> >>>>>> However, frequently I get no message at all. >>>>>> >>>>> Have you executed any command file that disables messages ? >>>>> >>>> What does >>>> >>>> $ write sys$output f$env("message") >>>> >>>> show? >>>> >>>> This will tell you what settings VMS thinks are set for the >>>> >>>> $ set message >>>> >>>> command >>>> >>>> If it says something like >>>> >>>> /notext/noid/noseverity/nofacility >>>> >>>> do a >>>> >>>> $ set mess/text/id/severity/facility >>> It has often struck me as odd that there is not symmetry (at least where >>> it makes sense) between SET and SHOW. >> >> Agreed. Every SET option should have a matching SHOW. >> >> $ SET MESSAGE >> $ SHOW MESSAGE >> >> $ SET VERIFY >> $ SHOW VERIFY >> >> $ SET CACHE >> $ SHOW CACHE >> >> $ SHOW CLUSTER >> $ SET CLUSTER[/QUORUM=ADJUST, etc.) >> >> $ SET CONTROL >> $ SHOW CONTROL >> >> $ SET FILE >> $ SHOW FILE >> >> Here's a biggie, eh? >> $ SET LOGINS >> $ SHOW LOGINS >> >> $ SET ON >> $ SHOW ON >> >> $ SET PREFERRED_PATH should really be SET DEVICE/PREFERRED_PATH, thus >> $ SHOW DEVICE/PREFERRED_PATH >> >> $ SET DIRECTORY >> $ SHOW DIRECTORY >> >> $ SET OUTPUT_RATE >> $ SHOW OUTPUT_RATE >> >> ...and so on. >> >>> If I had written DCL it would. >> >> Likewise. Then again, in such case, we'd likely also have things like: >> >> $ DIRECTORY/SORT_BY=(NAME|TYPE|VERSION|DATE[,ASCENDING|DESCENDING]) > > RT-11 can do (some of) that! > > .dir/ord:(typ:dat:siz:blo:rev) As can MS-DOS. :\ -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:39:38 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > >Now Victor could set up Victor's Management Services and call it VMS as > >long as it had nothing to do with computer operating systems (managing > >businesses, say, rather than disk files). > > > However for the same company to have two very different products called VMS > would generally be considered a bad idea. Inheriting two products with similar > names eg Open View and openVMS is bad enough but creating a new product with a > conflicting name means that noone in the company has given any thought to the > old product. I agree completely; I was just noting that it's not a trademark issue. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:41:24 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: In article <84IWi.12756$ZA.8093@newsb.telia.net>, =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > >>> Note that VMS has been used for other things (such as milking systems) > >>> for a long time, just like there were VAX vacuum cleaners.... > >> > >> In my hometown there us a large building with "VMS" in 5 m high > >> letters on the wall. Is stands for "Väg Maskin Service", > >> or "Road Machinery Service" in English. > > > > Why not use the right word, Väg Maskin Tjänst > >> > > http://www.vagmaskinservice.se/ > > In this case "tjänst" is not the right word. > The swedish word "service" in this case stands > for "repair" and similar jobs. Of course, since W and V are quite similar in Swedish, one might confuse it with WNT. :-) (Until quite recently, V and W were considered the same letter and mixed together in the dictionary. Just a couple of years ago, W was declared to be its own letter by the authorities.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:51:39 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Re: minimum system requirements for OpenVMS 7.3 VAX Message-ID: On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:14:22 -0700, Scott Mickey wrote: > If the VAXserver 3400 can run OpenVMS 7.3, then the next issue is > how to get the OS from the distribution CDROM onto the DSSI disk. Been there, done that! :-) Just download SIMH (http://simh.trailing-edge.com/) and use it to install and boot VMS on a host machine from which it can communicate with others by means of the host ethernet interface. Configure the emulated VAX as a cluster boot server and the VAXserver 3400 as a diskless satellite (without local swap and page files), then boot it from the network. Once the 3400 is booted and has joined the cluster, you'll be able to mount its DSSI disk cluster-wide and restore on it the VMS073.B save set (or whatever other VMSxxx.B save set you desire). Copy to the MFD of the newly initialized DSSI disk the other relevant OpenVMS installation save sets (at least VMSxxx.C, see Appendix D of the OpenVMS VAX Version X.X Upgrade and Installation Manual). Do not forget to copy TCP/IP or DECnet kits to the MFD before booting stand-alone, or you'll not be able to copy other kits when needed and you'll have to use the satellite trick again. Reboot the 3400 from its DSSI disk (which now is bootable) and follow the on-screen instructions to complete the installation. When it asks for the save set location, just direct it to the same DSSI disk. To recover some space, as soon as the installation is complete, you can safely delete the save sets from the MFD and run VMSTAILOR in SYS$UPDATE. About the same topic see also Appendix H of the Installation Manual which is about "Small Capacity System Disks". HTH, G. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:05:42 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > ..., of course claiming service as a swedish word is > a bit of a stretch. No, it isn't. If so, "window" isn't an english word either, since it comes from the norwegian "vindue" with the vikings... *Today* "service" is a 100% swedish word. Jan-Erik. > I wonder what the Icelanders use? They have to a much higher degree then the rest of the nordic countries kept the original common nordic language. So my *guess* is that they do not use a word originating somewhere else. Jan-Erik. > >> >> Jan-Erik. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:42:20 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: Good news: HP has retaken the VMS trademark ! Message-ID: In article , =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > Tom Linden wrote: > > > ..., of course claiming service as a swedish word is > > a bit of a stretch. > > No, it isn't. > If so, "window" isn't an english word either, since it > comes from the norwegian "vindue" with the vikings... Literally a wind-eye. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2007 13:57:25 GMT From: DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) Subject: Re: Revisited: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS Message-ID: In article <1194035086.090601.307230@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, aaa.vms@gmail.com writes: >On Oct 31, 1:59 am, DAV...@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) >wrote: >>[...] > >Hello, Michael! > >Sorry for the long silence... Recently I got WiFi router for >playing... I'll return to EAP in a near future. > Are you Ruslan R. Laishev? I (nor anyone else) has any way of knowing. Can you provide a "ball park" figure for "near future?" ...Weeks, months, ...? Thanks, Mike -- | Systems Specialist: CBE,MSE Michael T. Davis (Mike) | Departmental Networking/Computing http://www.ecr6.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ | The Ohio State University | 197 Watts, (614) 292-6928 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 06:55:23 GMT From: "Colin Butcher" Subject: [OT, but clever and funny] The day the routers died... Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 Brian: Hope you're doing OK and escape soon. -- Cheers, Colin. Legacy = Stuff that works properly! ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.602 ************************