INFO-VAX Mon, 30 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 413 Contents: Re: 7.3-2 ISO? Re: ES40's won't boot! Re: ES40's won't boot! 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Message-ID: In article <1185478762.616439.243170@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, ohiorocks@gmail.com writes: > > >Hi All: > >We currently have production systems (with valid licenses) running >OpenVMS 7.3-2. We need to load an Alpha ES45 with this version to >replace one of our old Alpha boxes... of course the media has up and >walked away. > >We're having a hell of a time getting a copy from HP in a reasonable >amount of time. Is there anyone out there willing to create an ISO >image of the 7.3-2 disks for me? Anyone have a source? > >Thanks for any assistance, >Mark This looks like the original post. Probably another artifact of Google's news problems in the past weeks. Others here have pointed out that you should be able to use a backup of your current system to get V7.3-2 on this system. If not, let me know. I believe that I have an extra copy or two of the V7.3-2 distros. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:52:07 GMT From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: ES40's won't boot! Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: >> If the MMJ is in fact the console, then this will probably work, and >> they'll never believe that wasn't the problem. Oh well, as long as it >> works :-( > > The console is one of the DB9 ports. Sorry, that's not correct (It would be for a DS10/DS20 but not for an ES40 ). On the ES40 it's the MMJ (trust me, I've made the same mistake myself! ) If you don't believe me see: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/download/es40og_revb.pdf see pages 20/21 for a description of the rear panel ports. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:06:16 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: ES40's won't boot! Message-ID: <46ACF338.2B7673D5@spam.comcast.net> Tom Linden wrote: > > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:36:05 -0700, John Santos wrote: > > > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > >> John Santos wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> Yes, I think so. There are two DB9 connectors on the back of > >>> each ES40. They tried one and can talk to the SRM console > >>> (until it all goes away when they try to boot.) When they plug > >>> their terminal into the other DB9, they don't get any response. > >>> > >> The "real" console on the ES40 is neither of these, it's an MMJ > >> that is located above those ports. > >> > > > > I bet that's it! Thank you, Malcolm. > > > >>> However, it wasn't running "perfectly well", since they had plugged > >>> the AS4100's Ethernet cable into it, and it doesn't respond to pings, > >>> SET HOST or LAT. It could be that the port is at the wrong speed. > >> It could be that VMS has stopped in the boot process to ask you to > >> set the clock (this prompt coming out on the MMJ connector ) > >> > > > > Could be. I had them typing blind date & time strings at the "console", > > just in case, but of course, there was no response. > > > > > > They are absolutely convinced the serial console doesn't work under VMS, > > which is of course nonsense, and are planning to try to install the > > VGA card from the 4100 in one of the ES40's on Monday and try again. > > > > If the MMJ is in fact the console, then this will probably work, and > > they'll never believe that wasn't the problem. Oh well, as long as it > > works :-( > > The console is one of the DB9 ports. ES40 and ES45 both default to their MMJ port as the serial console. Bumped my head on that when we got our ES45. I was expecting it to NOT have the MMJ port like the ES40 - I was wrong. It did, and it was(is). -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:38:30 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. My thought was to temporarily put the disk from the VLC into the M38 and restore the backup saveset on the bootable VMS install CD to the VLC's disk. I do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive for the M38 either, but I do have a CD-ROM drive that VMS can read. I'd like to do the standalone restore of the VMS saveset to the VLC disk, from a running instance of VMS in the M38. Is this a valid way to do it? If not, is there a better way? When I try to mount the bootable CD in VMS it fails, I am not sure what options I should use. How should I get the initial saveset onto the VLC's disk? Also I don't remember if the VMS installation needed to read the CD again during the initial installation process, so even if I do get the saveset across and can then put the disk back into the VLC, will I be able to install VMS without needing further access to the CD-ROM drive? Thanks Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:23:23 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <%G6ri.92$5y2.79@newsfe12.lga> In article , "Robert Jarratt" writes: > > >I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to >get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a >bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a >working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. > >My thought was to temporarily put the disk from the VLC into the M38 and >restore the backup saveset on the bootable VMS install CD to the VLC's disk. >I do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive for the M38 either, but I do have a >CD-ROM drive that VMS can read. I'd like to do the standalone restore of the >VMS saveset to the VLC disk, from a running instance of VMS in the M38. Is >this a valid way to do it? If not, is there a better way? When I try to >mount the bootable CD in VMS it fails, I am not sure what options I should >use. How should I get the initial saveset onto the VLC's disk? > >Also I don't remember if the VMS installation needed to read the CD again >during the initial installation process, so even if I do get the saveset >across and can then put the disk back into the VLC, will I be able to >install VMS without needing further access to the CD-ROM drive? If you can put the disk into the M38, you do not need a CD. Take a look in SYS$UPDATE for STABACKIT.COM. Run this and it will put a minimum bit of VMS into a special location on the system disk. This code will load a virtual disk into memory on the machine and put this minimal context of VMS in it. You can then do a BACKUP of the system disk, unencumbered by any lock/open files, to the other drive. If you Google STABACKIT you should find all the details you will need to do this. You need to specify some flags to the boot command to do this and you should find this all well detailed in on-line docs Google will find you. Man... STABACKIT... does that bring back old memories. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:35:44 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <46ACFA20.A0EB65F6@spam.comcast.net> Robert Jarratt wrote: > > I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to > get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a > bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a > working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. > > My thought was to temporarily put the disk from the VLC into the M38 and > restore the backup saveset on the bootable VMS install CD to the VLC's disk. > I do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive for the M38 either, but I do have a > CD-ROM drive that VMS can read. I'd like to do the standalone restore of the > VMS saveset to the VLC disk, from a running instance of VMS in the M38. Is > this a valid way to do it? If not, is there a better way? When I try to > mount the bootable CD in VMS it fails, I am not sure what options I should > use. How should I get the initial saveset onto the VLC's disk? > > Also I don't remember if the VMS installation needed to read the CD again > during the initial installation process, so even if I do get the saveset > across and can then put the disk back into the VLC, will I be able to > install VMS without needing further access to the CD-ROM drive? Dumb question time: if VMS can read the CD drive, why will the machine not boot from it? As to the other question, you can simply BACKUP/IMAGE the VMS073.B saveset from the CD to the SCSI drive, then COPY the remaining VMS073.% savesets (use /EXCLUDE=VMS073.B; - you won't need it) from the root of the CD to the SCSI drive, put it back into the VLC, boot it up and perform the install using the SCSI drive as both the install media and the destination. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:43:27 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: The M38 is *very* picky about the drives it will boot from and for the VLC I do not (yet) have an external drive (there is not enough power and not enough cables in the VLC to connect an internal drive as well as the hard disk). Do I need to mount the CD to restore using BACKUP/IMAGE? If so I am not sure what command to use as a simple MOUNT/OVER=ID fails. Thanks Rob "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:46ACFA20.A0EB65F6@spam.comcast.net... > Robert Jarratt wrote: >> >> I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to >> get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a >> bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a >> working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. >> >> My thought was to temporarily put the disk from the VLC into the M38 and >> restore the backup saveset on the bootable VMS install CD to the VLC's >> disk. >> I do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive for the M38 either, but I do have a >> CD-ROM drive that VMS can read. I'd like to do the standalone restore of >> the >> VMS saveset to the VLC disk, from a running instance of VMS in the M38. >> Is >> this a valid way to do it? If not, is there a better way? When I try to >> mount the bootable CD in VMS it fails, I am not sure what options I >> should >> use. How should I get the initial saveset onto the VLC's disk? >> >> Also I don't remember if the VMS installation needed to read the CD again >> during the initial installation process, so even if I do get the saveset >> across and can then put the disk back into the VLC, will I be able to >> install VMS without needing further access to the CD-ROM drive? > > Dumb question time: if VMS can read the CD drive, why will the machine not > boot > from it? > > As to the other question, you can simply BACKUP/IMAGE the VMS073.B saveset > from > the CD to the SCSI drive, then COPY the remaining VMS073.% savesets (use > /EXCLUDE=VMS073.B; - you won't need it) from the root of the CD to the > SCSI > drive, put it back into the VLC, boot it up and perform the install using > the > SCSI drive as both the install media and the destination. > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:47:46 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: Just to clarify, when I try to mount the CD I get %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline. Regards Rob "Robert Jarratt" wrote in message news:PZ6ri.11450$sI3.1123@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net... > The M38 is *very* picky about the drives it will boot from and for the VLC > I do not (yet) have an external drive (there is not enough power and not > enough cables in the VLC to connect an internal drive as well as the hard > disk). > > Do I need to mount the CD to restore using BACKUP/IMAGE? If so I am not > sure what command to use as a simple MOUNT/OVER=ID fails. > > Thanks > > Rob > > "David J Dachtera" wrote in message > news:46ACFA20.A0EB65F6@spam.comcast.net... >> Robert Jarratt wrote: >>> >>> I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need >>> to >>> get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a >>> bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a >>> working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. >>> >>> My thought was to temporarily put the disk from the VLC into the M38 and >>> restore the backup saveset on the bootable VMS install CD to the VLC's >>> disk. >>> I do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive for the M38 either, but I do have >>> a >>> CD-ROM drive that VMS can read. I'd like to do the standalone restore of >>> the >>> VMS saveset to the VLC disk, from a running instance of VMS in the M38. >>> Is >>> this a valid way to do it? If not, is there a better way? When I try to >>> mount the bootable CD in VMS it fails, I am not sure what options I >>> should >>> use. How should I get the initial saveset onto the VLC's disk? >>> >>> Also I don't remember if the VMS installation needed to read the CD >>> again >>> during the initial installation process, so even if I do get the saveset >>> across and can then put the disk back into the VLC, will I be able to >>> install VMS without needing further access to the CD-ROM drive? >> >> Dumb question time: if VMS can read the CD drive, why will the machine >> not boot >> from it? >> >> As to the other question, you can simply BACKUP/IMAGE the VMS073.B >> saveset from >> the CD to the SCSI drive, then COPY the remaining VMS073.% savesets (use >> /EXCLUDE=VMS073.B; - you won't need it) from the root of the CD to the >> SCSI >> drive, put it back into the VLC, boot it up and perform the install using >> the >> SCSI drive as both the install media and the destination. >> >> -- >> David J Dachtera >> dba DJE Systems >> http://www.djesys.com/ >> >> Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page >> http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ >> >> Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: >> http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >> >> Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: >> http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ >> >> Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: >> http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:47:15 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: Robert Jarratt schrieb: > I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to > get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a > bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a > working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. You might consider "cloning" the working system to a second disk and put this into the VLC, sth like BACK/IMAGE/IGNORE=INTERLOCK dka100: dka0: once worked for me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:33:53 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <5J7ri.180$Cb4.114@newsfe12.lga> In article , "Robert Jarratt" writes: > > >Just to clarify, when I try to mount the CD I get %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is >offline. Others have pointed out, unless you want a different version of VMS than that which is on your M38, just BACKUP that system's disk to the driver from that VLC you install in the M38. I suggested STABACKIT but not that I think about it, it might not be necessary. If you need a CDrom drive, I might have one in my drive dump. Let me know. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:48:57 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: I am going to trythe various backup methods but would like to do a scratch install. Your reply seems to imply you think my CD-ROM drive is broken or the medium is unreadable. Neither should be the case, as they were both working quite recently. Should I expect to be able to do a MOUNT/OVER=ID on the bootable CD with VMS on it? Thanks Rob wrote in message news:5J7ri.180$Cb4.114@newsfe12.lga... > In article , "Robert Jarratt" > writes: >> >> >>Just to clarify, when I try to mount the CD I get %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium >>is >>offline. > > Others have pointed out, unless you want a different version of VMS than > that > which is on your M38, just BACKUP that system's disk to the driver from > that > VLC you install in the M38. I suggested STABACKIT but not that I think > about > it, it might not be necessary. > > If you need a CDrom drive, I might have one in my drive dump. Let me > know. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 00:22:30 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <46ad12af$0$30026$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> "Robert Jarratt" schreef in bericht news:W06ri.10699$h11.1715@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net... > I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to > get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a > bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a > working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. > > My thought was to temporarily put the disk from the VLC into the M38 and > restore the backup saveset on the bootable VMS install CD to the VLC's disk. > I do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive for the M38 either, but I do have a > CD-ROM drive that VMS can read. I'd like to do the standalone restore of the > VMS saveset to the VLC disk, from a running instance of VMS in the M38. Is > this a valid way to do it? If not, is there a better way? When I try to > mount the bootable CD in VMS it fails, I am not sure what options I should > use. How should I get the initial saveset onto the VLC's disk? > > Also I don't remember if the VMS installation needed to read the CD again > during the initial installation process, so even if I do get the saveset > across and can then put the disk back into the VLC, will I be able to > install VMS without needing further access to the CD-ROM drive? > > Thanks > > Rob > > 1) make sure the VMS073.% sets are on the disk of the 3100M38 2) convert the system disk of the 3100M38 to a cluster disk 3) boot the VLC from it (over ethernet) and make sure you don't use its own disk 4) backup/image VMS072.B/save to the local drive of the VLC 5) copy the remaining VMS073.% files to the VLC disk; put them in [000000] 6) remove the VLC from the cluster and boot it standalone The assumption is that the VLC has a system disk, big enough to hold both the VMS kitsfiles as well as the installed os. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:07:05 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: Robert Jarratt wrote: > I am a hobbyist and I have hardware limitations which mean that I need to > get VMS 7.3 installed on a VAXstation 4000 VLC for which I do not have a > bootable CD-ROM drive at present (working on this). I do however have a > working VAXstation 3100 M38 running VMS 7.3. Boot node1, mount the VMS CD. Then use @SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM to make NODE1 a boot node Then use @SYS$MANAGER:CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM to make NODE2 a satellite node NODE2 will then boot from node1's system drive, and once booted, will have access to the NODE1 disks, including the CDrom drive which it will be able to mount. Make sure that NODE2 uses a pagefile (small) on NODE1's disk. (leaving NODE2's drive unused). You can then, from either node, use BACKUP/IMAGE/INITIALIZE to unpack the B saveset from the CD onto NODE2's system drive. At this point, you can copy the remaining savesets to the NODE2 drive and then reboot from node2's disk where the installation will then continue on its own OR After unpacking the B saveset, use SYSGEN with the USE disk:[sys0.sysexe]vaxvmssys.par, and set the cluster parameters, and also copy the cluster_authorize.dat file to the other drive. Then, when you reboot that node, it will try to join the cluster and have access to node1's disks and be able to mount the CD to continue the installation. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:11:12 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: <33431$46ad3ac0$cef8887a$9325@TEKSAVVY.COM> David J Dachtera wrote: > Dumb question time: if VMS can read the CD drive, why will the machine not boot > from it? Because the firmware of the old machine may not see the device as bootable, while VMS with newer software, will see a mountable device. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:39:59 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Installing VMS without a bootable CD-ROM drive Message-ID: In article , "Robert Jarratt" wrote: > I am going to trythe various backup methods but would like to do a scratch > install. Your reply seems to imply you think my CD-ROM drive is broken or > the medium is unreadable. Neither should be the case, as they were both > working quite recently. Should I expect to be able to do a MOUNT/OVER=ID on > the bootable CD with VMS on it? Yes, MOUNT/OVER=ID should work fine. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 13:04:23 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: On 07/29/07 12:22, JF Mezei wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> The whole "they'll like us when we stop supporting Israel" idea is a >> steaming pile of shit. > > > You wouldn't be able to grasp more evolved concepts such as "our blind > support for Israel prevents establishement of a real peace in middle > east". It is VERY different than what you stated above. > > For you, it is black or white. If we say that your blind biased support > for Israel is hurting the peace process, your response is "if we > widthdraw all support, it won't automatically create peace". You don't know *anything* about me. If you read my posts with any amount of rationality, you'd know that I'm not an acolyte of Msr. Chauvin. > For peace to happen, there are many pieces of the puzzle that must fit > into place. You work piece by piece. And one of those pieces is the way > the USA gives Israel special protection which it does not give to other > countries. It is an irritant that prevents real peace from happening. It > doesn't require the USA to stop supporting Israel alltogether. > > > Same thing with Iraq. The debate in the USA is at baby levels. To have > troups or to widthdraw troups alltogether. This is stupid. There is no > debate on the mandate given to troups, there is no real debate on > establising a real government that the people of Iraq will respect > (instead of one which is friendly to the USA) etc. > > -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:06:58 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185732418.934689.86580@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 29, 12:45 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > AEF wrote: > > You say the US wants to fight the Moslems? Excuse me? We didn't ask > > for 9/11. While invading Iraq was a dumb response, I don't think > > unilateral disarmament would be helpful either. > > Why don't you go fight the born again Christians ? Was it a Muslim who > blew up the Oklahoma building ? By your logic, all christians should be > persecuted too. JF, your arguing extremely unfairly by putting words in my mouth. I was responding to Dirk's post. *He* said we're fighting Moslems. And we are. But we're not fighting ALL Moslems. That's a big difference. Putting Iraq aside, we're fighting (or should be fighting!) Al Qaeda. Are you going to tell me that the Al Qauda terrorists are not Moslems? Stop putting words in my mouth. Timothy McVeigh was a loner. He wasn't part of any group that is against us. The 9/11 hijackers were. This group continues to make threats against America, Jews, Israel, and the West in general. > > Are americans so racist that they have no ability to differentiate > between an individual (Bin Ladin) and a religion that has hundreds of > millions of followers ? I just explained that above. There are Mulsims living in the US and they are not being herded up en masse you idiot. > The whole point of this is that it is exactly because of the way the USA > treats muslims that a couple of muslims become extremists and want to > hurt the USA. Muslims are like bees. They leave you alone when you let > them do their business in peace, but mess with their way of life, and > they will sting. The USA has yet to learn to respect the muslims and let This is nonsense. We actually HELPED Muslims in Bosnia and spoke up for them in Chechnya. We helped them in Kuwait. We HELPED them kick out the Russians and were criticized for it for not staying to help afterwards (what, we helped them kicked out the Soviets and are then obligated to help even more because of it?). I'm sure if we stayed to help we would have been criticized for that, also. > them live they way they want to live. The terrorism problem will not be > solved until americans learn not to interfere with their lives and until > the USA becomes neutral in the Israel vs Middle-East conflict. This is utter bull crap. > It is disconcerting that americans can't even grasp such simple concepts > of international diplomacy. This is more utter bull crap. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:26:22 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185733582.741490.41780@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 29, 1:22 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > The whole "they'll like us when we stop supporting Israel" idea is a > > steaming pile of shit. > > You wouldn't be able to grasp more evolved concepts such as "our blind > support for Israel prevents establishement of a real peace in middle > east". It is VERY different than what you stated above. More bologna from you. It is the Arab's refusal to accept even the existence of Israel that prevents the establishment of real peace. Israel withdrew UNILATERALLY and UNCONDITIONALLY from Gaza, and looked what happened. The missiles are still coming. Civil war breaks out and now the Hamas terrorist organization has taken over. I've read TWICE now that the Palestinians have received more foreign aid per capita than any other people on Earth and still they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity (I'd credit that, but I don't know who said it!). > For you, it is black or white. If we say that your blind biased support > for Israel is hurting the peace process, your response is "if we > widthdraw all support, it won't automatically create peace". It doesn't matter what the US does. Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., want to destroy the state of Israel. THEY'VE PLAINLY AND LOUDLY SAID SO! THEY'VE MAKE IT PLAIN BY THEIR ACTIONS, TOO. Hello? You think anything the US does is going to change that attitude? > For peace to happen, there are many pieces of the puzzle that must fit > into place. You work piece by piece. And one of those pieces is the way > the USA gives Israel special protection which it does not give to other > countries. It is an irritant that prevents real peace from happening. It > doesn't require the USA to stop supporting Israel alltogether. This is more bologna. It is vague, naive, nonsense. Egypt gets $2 billion a year from the US. Jordan also receives a significant amount of US aid. Even the Palestinians get aid from the U.S. (except in Gaza, and for good reason). > Same thing with Iraq. The debate in the USA is at baby levels. To have > troups or to widthdraw troups alltogether. This is stupid. There is no > debate on the mandate given to troups, there is no real debate on > establising a real government that the people of Iraq will respect > (instead of one which is friendly to the USA) etc. Iraq is a complete disaster. I will not defend Bush on this. But I'm sick and tired of your despicable double standards. If the West treated its women the way many Muslims do you'd be screaming bloody murder. But NOOOOOOOOO. Anything they do is okay with you. Fatwas against innocent authors? Not a problem. Killing the filmmaker in Holland? Not a problem. 9/11? Not a problem. Civil War in Iraq? Not a problem. Muslims blowing up each other's mosques? Not a problem. But if a US soldier would leave a scuff mark on the floor of a mosque you'd never hear the end of it. Iran and Iraq had a war killing millions of Muslims. Yet again: Not a problem. Chechen rebels shoot innocent school children running for their lives in cold blood? Not a problem. Muslim terrorists in Indonesia? Not a problem. But if someone catches a cold because of something the US does, you scream bloody murder (okay, this sentence is an exaggeration, but you get the idea). It is your double standard that is sickening. And instead of addressing people's posts you cherry pick excerpts, ignore stuff, and add even more nonsense to the pile. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:20:36 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <46ACF694.4B46A69@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > AEF wrote: > > You say the US wants to fight the Moslems? Excuse me? We didn't ask > > for 9/11. While invading Iraq was a dumb response, I don't think > > unilateral disarmament would be helpful either. > > Why don't you go fight the born again Christians ? Was it a Muslim who > blew up the Oklahoma building ? By your logic, all christians should be > persecuted too. Given the history of Christianity, that may not be so far from wrong. However, we've not yet surrendered enough of our freedoms that the U.S. would sink to such level. > Are americans so racist that they have no ability to differentiate > between an individual (Bin Ladin) and a religion that has hundreds of > millions of followers ? Perhaps not as "racist" as "myopic". Then again, "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's probably a" platypus! We're talking about a group where the distinctions between the radical, dangerous segments are virtually indistinguishable from the benign, peaceful segments. How do we resolve this? > The whole point of this is that it is exactly because of the way the USA > treats muslims that a couple of muslims become extremists and want to > hurt the USA. "A couple of muslims"? Try again! > Muslims are like bees. They leave you alone when you let > them do their business in peace, but mess with their way of life, and > they will sting. The USA has yet to learn to respect the muslims and let > them live they way they want to live. So, we should let them harm innocent civilians with impunity - is that what you're saying? > The terrorism problem will not be > solved until americans learn not to interfere with their lives How many times has this happened in recent history? Be specific, cite examples. > and until > the USA becomes neutral in the Israel vs Middle-East conflict. So long as there is a large Jewish population in the U.S., and until the world-at-large forgets the Nazi holocaust, I don't see that happening. > It is disconcerting that americans can't even grasp such simple concepts > of international diplomacy. If it were such a simple matter, this discussion would not be taking place. As I said at another point in all this: I see no way to resolve this short of divine intervention. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:22:36 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: July the 4th Message-ID: <000901c7d21e$341bafb0$9c530f10$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 11:45 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: July the 4th > > AEF wrote: > > You say the US wants to fight the Moslems? Excuse me? We didn't ask > > for 9/11. While invading Iraq was a dumb response, I don't think > > unilateral disarmament would be helpful either. > > > Why don't you go fight the born again Christians ? Was it a Muslim who > blew up the Oklahoma building ? By your logic, all christians should be > persecuted too. > Wow- do you really see no difference between people who are mentally deranged and acting on their own or with one or two other people, like Timothy McViegh and Terry Nichols, and a *whole religious society*, with millions of adherents, that is deranged? Note also that the two Oklahoma Bombers were treated with humane justice and not subjected to anything like Sharia law would demand of them. The U.S. is not an easy society to understand, and non-U.S. citizens often focus on some small artifact of our society and try to judge from that. -Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:26:23 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <46ACF7EE.DC12D005@spam.comcast.net> Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 07/29/07 02:16, Paul Raulerson wrote: > [snip] > > > > Just what exactly do you find wrong with that picture, beyond the > > fact you have exaggerated the analogy? Your own history is pretty > > well fraught with fighting those exact same "Indians." The > > Netherlands has fought against Muslims for quite a while, > > including ganging up against them with Portugal in Malaysia. > > Three words: Theo van Gogh. > > > Muslims never bothered us much before they starting slamming > > airplanes into buildings. We never bothered them until they did > > that either. Also remember, that wasn't their first attempt- just > > their first really successful one. > > Two more words: Achille Lauro. ...and as I implied at another point in all this, the fact that the flight crews of those two planes LET them be flown into the WTC will stand before the entire world as testimony to the U.S.'s greatest weakness. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:33:25 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: July the 4th Message-ID: <000a01c7d21f$b9132fd0$2b398f70$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 12:23 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: July the 4th > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > The whole "they'll like us when we stop supporting Israel" idea is a > > steaming pile of shit. > > > You wouldn't be able to grasp more evolved concepts such as "our blind > support for Israel prevents establishement of a real peace in middle > east". It is VERY different than what you stated above. > Here's something for you - Israel has as much, if not *more* right to exist than do some, even most, of the surrounding Arab states. And here's another one for you, Israel is *directly* connected to the main religion of most of the population of the United States, which like it or not, is Christianity. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:58:18 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: AEF wrote: > It doesn't matter what the US does. Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., want to > destroy the state of Israel. THEY'VE PLAINLY AND LOUDLY SAID SO! They acceptance of Israel's existance will be the RESULT of succesful negotiations. The USA/Israel require them to accept Israel as a pre-condition for negotiations. You can't require peace be achieved as a pre-condition to negotiate a peace agreement. >Israel withdrew UNILATERALLY and UNCONDITIONALLY from Gaza, and looked >what happened. The missiles are still coming. Civil war If Israel widthdrew from Gaza, why then does Israel still prevent free movement of people within Palestine, why does it widthhold tax revenus preventing the Gaza government (duly elected in a democratic fashion) from operating ? The removal of israeli citizens from a part of Gaza was a very positive move by Israel. But Israel still is very much involved in financial and military activities in gaza which irritates the people there to no end and which explains why they democratically elected a party that is very much against Israel. Everytime Israel reponds in kind to terrorist attacks on Israel, it motivates the palestinian terrorists even more and makes peace harder to achieve. Everytime Israel cancels peace negotiations because some palestinian terrorism threw a bomb over the border, it postpones peace by a long time. The two sides should meet in some hotel and not be allowed to leave until they reach an agreement, and during such negotiations, they should not be made aware of any terrorist attack on Israel and/or Israeli military attack on palestinians. And they should be no media covering this, as well as no political opposition/influence. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:14:47 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185761687.729407.239390@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 29, 8:58 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > AEF wrote: > > It doesn't matter what the US does. Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., want to > > destroy the state of Israel. THEY'VE PLAINLY AND LOUDLY SAID SO! > > They acceptance of Israel's existance will be the RESULT of succesful > negotiations. The USA/Israel require them to accept Israel as a > pre-condition for negotiations. Ridiculous. How do you negotiate with someone who wants to destroy you? I don't think Hamas or Hezbollah even wants to negotiate. Fatah maybe. > You can't require peace be achieved as a pre-condition to negotiate a > peace agreement. Why not a cease fire? You're equating short-term peace with long-term peace. They're not the same. Actually, didn't Rabin try that? Negotiate as if there were no terrorists and fight the terrorists as if there were no negotations? It didn't work, did it now? > >Israel withdrew UNILATERALLY and UNCONDITIONALLY from Gaza, and looked > >what happened. The missiles are still coming. Civil war > > If Israel widthdrew from Gaza, why then does Israel still prevent free > movement of people within Palestine, why does it widthhold tax revenus > preventing the Gaza government (duly elected in a democratic fashion) > from operating ? Because the P's are still firing rockets into Israel proper and still staging attacks. That's why. Hitler arose through democracy as did Hamas. Bush was elected by a democracy but that doesn't stop you from condemning him. Another clear indication of your bigotry. OH, it's okay for Hamas, but not for Bush!!! I think I see some bigotry here! Let's see you weasel your way out of this one! > The removal of israeli citizens from a part of Gaza was a very positive > move by Israel. But Israel still is very much involved in financial and > military activities in gaza which irritates the people there to no end > and which explains why they democratically elected a party that is very > much against Israel. Amusing. Yes, Israel is irritating them by trying to prevent them from firing rockets at its citizens. What nerve! ;-) Did it ever occur to you that maybe the P's are irritating Israel? No, you never think of such things because you are a bigot. What happened to all the aid that went to the P's? And how did Arafat become a billionaire? (Hint: the two are related.) > Everytime Israel reponds in kind to terrorist attacks on Israel, it > motivates the palestinian terrorists even more and makes peace harder to > achieve. Funny how that works both ways. Again it demonstrates your bigotry. > Everytime Israel cancels peace negotiations because some palestinian > terrorism threw a bomb over the border, it postpones peace by a long time. Then the terrorist shouldn't have thrown the bomb. Duh! > The two sides should meet in some hotel and not be allowed to leave > until they reach an agreement, and during such negotiations, they should > not be made aware of any terrorist attack on Israel and/or Israeli > military attack on palestinians. And they should be no media covering > this, as well as no political opposition/influence. If you ever did achieve this, they'd die of old age in the same hotel. AEF P.S. BTW, I just heard on the radio today that Iraqis celebrated their victory in the soccer Asia cup by firing guns into the air. Seven dead, 50 injured, IIRC. Lovely people, eh? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:43:00 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: <46ACFBD4.DA092C9B@spam.comcast.net> I have two 19-inch VRTs (the Sony Trinitrons) that I don't plan to use anymore. However, my back has gone south and I will need help to move them - they weigh in at circa. 90 pounds. I'd really hate to scrap/recycle them, but I can't lift them anymore and shipping would be prohibitively expensive. So, I need two good ideas: 1. How do I find takers for these who would be willing to come get them? 2. Has anyone found a 100% usable solution for substituting SVGA screens for these three-lead, sync-on-green monitors? (I've seen a lot of suggestions and do-it-yourself projects, but no hard evidence of an off-the-shelf, no "fiddling" solution.) -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:50:34 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: I have a Viewsonic VA912 which is a 19" LCD Flat Panel which I have "successfully" used with a VAXstation 4000 VLC. It was not perfect but worked well enough for me, unfortunately it would take me a little time right now to get it set up again to check and tell you what the imperfections were. Regards Rob "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:46ACFBD4.DA092C9B@spam.comcast.net... >I have two 19-inch VRTs (the Sony Trinitrons) that I don't plan to use >anymore. > However, my back has gone south and I will need help to move them - they > weigh > in at circa. 90 pounds. > > I'd really hate to scrap/recycle them, but I can't lift them anymore and > shipping would be prohibitively expensive. > > So, I need two good ideas: > > 1. How do I find takers for these who would be willing to come get them? > > 2. Has anyone found a 100% usable solution for substituting SVGA screens > for > these three-lead, sync-on-green monitors? (I've seen a lot of suggestions > and > do-it-yourself projects, but no hard evidence of an off-the-shelf, no > "fiddling" > solution.) > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems > http://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page > http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:23:31 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: <46AD0553.1060406@comcast.net> David J Dachtera wrote: > I have two 19-inch VRTs (the Sony Trinitrons) that I don't plan to use anymore. > However, my back has gone south and I will need help to move them - they weigh > in at circa. 90 pounds. > > I'd really hate to scrap/recycle them, but I can't lift them anymore and > shipping would be prohibitively expensive. > > So, I need two good ideas: > > 1. How do I find takers for these who would be willing to come get them? Well, you start by saying where to pick them up and when is a good time. > > 2. Has anyone found a 100% usable solution for substituting SVGA screens for > these three-lead, sync-on-green monitors? (I've seen a lot of suggestions and > do-it-yourself projects, but no hard evidence of an off-the-shelf, no "fiddling" > solution.) > Sorry, I have a twenty inch monitor that I could swear weighs more than I do and never mind that my scale argues to the contrary. ;-) I THINK I could still lift it but I hate to think about trying. I've had at least eleven years of use out of it and it's still going strong. If it dies before I do, I'll just log on from "PC vulgaris" using Reflection X and a nice new flat panel monitor. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:06:13 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: <46AD4795.5B09E759@spam.comcast.net> Robert Jarratt wrote: > > I have a Viewsonic VA912 which is a 19" LCD Flat Panel which I have > "successfully" used with a VAXstation 4000 VLC. It was not perfect but > worked well enough for me, unfortunately it would take me a little time > right now to get it set up again to check and tell you what the > imperfections were. I'm not as concerned about imperfections as actually making the connection using store-bought kit. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:09:57 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: <46AD4875.6BE5576A@spam.comcast.net> "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > I have two 19-inch VRTs (the Sony Trinitrons) that I don't plan to use anymore. > > However, my back has gone south and I will need help to move them - they weigh > > in at circa. 90 pounds. > > > > I'd really hate to scrap/recycle them, but I can't lift them anymore and > > shipping would be prohibitively expensive. > > > > So, I need two good ideas: > > > > 1. How do I find takers for these who would be willing to come get them? > > Well, you start by saying where to pick them up and when is a good time. Go to my home page (link below), go to any page other than the home page and click the "Contact Us" link - it's deactivated on the home page because I found that reduced my spam by a very large percentage. The web crawlers still find it, but address harvestors tend to be less comprehensive. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:41:56 -0400 From: Ben Myers Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: You present a couple of interesting challenges. Try the computer section of craigslist for your area. Advertise them truthfully and honestly for what they are. You may get lucky. Most of the cable adapters I've seen are for co-ax monitors to SVGA 15-pin graphics cards. You need the opposite. Not sure if they exist. I wonder if one of the cable adapters would work if reversed? For sure, do not even consider a flat panel LCD monitor with a digital video interface connector. ... Ben Myers On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 15:43:00 -0500, David J Dachtera wrote: >I have two 19-inch VRTs (the Sony Trinitrons) that I don't plan to use anymore. >However, my back has gone south and I will need help to move them - they weigh >in at circa. 90 pounds. > >I'd really hate to scrap/recycle them, but I can't lift them anymore and >shipping would be prohibitively expensive. > >So, I need two good ideas: > >1. How do I find takers for these who would be willing to come get them? > >2. Has anyone found a 100% usable solution for substituting SVGA screens for >these three-lead, sync-on-green monitors? (I've seen a lot of suggestions and >do-it-yourself projects, but no hard evidence of an off-the-shelf, no "fiddling" >solution.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:16:58 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: Old DEC Monitor quandry Message-ID: [followups set to comp.os.vms] Ben Myers wrote: > You present a couple of interesting challenges. > > Try the computer section of craigslist for your area. Advertise them truthfully > and honestly for what they are. You may get lucky. > > Most of the cable adapters I've seen are for co-ax monitors to SVGA 15-pin > graphics cards. You need the opposite. Not sure if they exist. I wonder if > one of the cable adapters would work if reversed? For sure, do not even > consider a flat panel LCD monitor with a digital video interface connector. The adapters to allow modern multi-sync monitors to be used with VAXstations were available the last time this topic came up on comp.os.vms. Digital used to sell one, and that is what they used when one of the older monitors on a support contract died and they replaced it with a multi-sync monitor. Now if LCD monitors will work with those, I do not know. My ELSA card seemed to overdrive an LCD monitor that I had. The same monitor worked fine with a Radeon card on the same DS10. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:21:46 -0700 From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: Unloading some VAXStations and DEC hardware Message-ID: <1185754906.007264.143600@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 29, 12:49 pm, Ttoom wrote: > Hi Folks, > I thought I'd try here before my old equipment hits the dumpster. If > there's a happy home somewhere, I'd be glad to give you any of the > hardware for free, so long as you pay shipping (or pick it up; I'm in > the Boston area). AFAIK, all of the systems are working and boot either > into OpenVMS (the 4000) or BSD (the 3100s). > > * VAXStation 4000 VLC + Manual > * Storage Expansion (has a TK50 drive and a hard drive; currently > plugged into the above VS4000) + Manual > * 2 x VAXStation 3100 M38 with 3-1/4" floppy drive > * mice and keyboards and some spare SCSI drives for the above systems > * VS40X 8 Plane Color Option Card (untested) > * LA50 printer (also works) > * 2 x VRC16 monitor (both work) > > Any takers? Please reply to me directly. > --Steve Steve, I would be interested in speaking with you. Extra systems are always useful. Please contact me offline. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:44:18 -0700 From: Didier_Toulouse Subject: [OT] RIP DTL's Father Message-ID: <1185767058.961026.121760@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Good morning Friends, My Father died yesterday in Geneva, Switzerland. His heart just stopped while sleeping. He was 93 and in bad health. We were expecting this since a few months. FYI. RIP Leonard MORANDI Architect dplg 7 mars 1914 - 29 juillet 2007 Didier aka PRSTSC::DTL didier dot morandi at freesurf dot fr ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.413 ************************