INFO-VAX Thu, 17 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 269 Contents: Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)) Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)) Re: Has Linux Peaked ? Re: Has Linux Peaked ? Re: How to have the exact DCPS version number Re: IP Clusters and security Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Re: Logikal Solutions Announces Logic Book Microsoft home server Re: OT - Printers, etc. (was Shouldn't we be helping HP ?) Paging Brian Roth Re: Paging Brian Roth Re: Paging Brian Roth Re: Paging Brian Roth Re: Printers and ink Re: Printers and ink (was: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?) Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 19:42:33 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Another x86-64 price war is coming Message-ID: <464b8a7d$0$19486$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Bill Gunshannon" wrote in message news:5b0976F2r33b2U1@mid.individual.net... > In article <1179312123.938287.304740@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [...snip...] > > You guys really need to give this a rest. HP got rid of all the > people who would have been needed for such a project. When Carly > said they burned their boats, she was not kidding. The natives > have now driven the conquitadors back to the shore and are ready > to drive them into the sea and slaughter the ones who can't swim. > > bill > It sounds so negative when you mention the actual facts :-) Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:12:04 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)) Message-ID: Hi Arne, > I know that one reader here will think one language is > missing ... Nope! It's right there on the first page :-) Cheers Richard Maher "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:4643b24b$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > Martin Krischik wrote: > > http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm > > I know that one reader here will think one language is > missing ... > > Arne > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:13:22 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)) Message-ID: Hi Tom, > Lines of code in production is the real measure I knew you'd come round to my way of thinking :-) Cheers Richard Maher "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.tr5x1db0tte90l@hyrrokkin... > On Thu, 10 May 2007 17:01:19 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > > > Martin Krischik wrote: > >> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm > > > > I know that one reader here will think one language is > > missing ... > > > > Arne > > > Lines of code in production is the real measure > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 19:39:21 -0400 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: Has Linux Peaked ? Message-ID: genius@marblecliff.com wrote: > hey Dic, Episode V - "The boob Strikes Back" :-) -- David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 19:40:32 -0400 From: Dave Froble Subject: Re: Has Linux Peaked ? Message-ID: genius@marblecliff.com wrote: > of course, I do not think McDonalds cares whether you are > a bigot or not in order to flip burgers ... > Is "the boob" job hunting ?? -- David Froble Tel: 724-529-0450 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc. E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com DFE Ultralights, Inc. 170 Grimplin Road Vanderbilt, PA 15486 ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 2007 21:49:58 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: How to have the exact DCPS version number Message-ID: <464b7c86@news.langstoeger.at> In article , Paul Anderson writes: >In article <464b2665$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: >> In article , Paul >> Anderson writes: >> >Starting with DCPS V2.2, the logical name DCPS$VERSION is defined when >> >DCPS starts. >> >> I don't see it on my systems. >> >> I do see however a (process) logical DCPS_VERSION and only after I ran >> @SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$GET_VERSION >> >> Please clarify > >DCPS$GET_VERSION defines the process logical name DCPS_VERSION and is >run by DCPS$STARTUP and DCPS$IVP. It's DCPS$STARTUP that defines the >system logical name DCPS$VERSION so the logical name will exist only on >those systems that start DCPS with DCPS$STARTUP. Ooops. Thanks Paul, got me. I do not run DCPS$STARTUP.COM (as you probably still know - I told it more than once that I don't like to INIT a queue with every boot, I only define the DCPS$ logicals and obviously not all ;-) btw: DCPS$VERSION is in SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$REQUIRED.COM (via DCPS_VERSION) -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:10:17 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: IP Clusters and security Message-ID: Hi Steve, > If a cracker gains access to the wire and the traffic is unencrypted, > the cracker has all necessary access. Having the full contents of > CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE in your possession is not centrally relevant; if an > attacker has wire-level (unencrypted) or WiFi-level (unencrypted or WEP) > access to the data links, then the configuration is already pwned. Could the IPsec defense be of any use here? Cheers Richard Maher "Stephen Hoffman" wrote in message news:f2f7de$mk2$1@pyrite.mv.net... > JF Mezei wrote: > > Doc wrote: > >> The sooner you have that the better. Hobbyists can start having > >> competitions over who can form the largest geographical cluster. :) > > One could conceivably operate a cluster within the passenger cabin of > an aircraft, for instance, assuming an IR connection was available. > (I haven't looked to see if IR is permissible under FAA regulations, > though I'd tend to expect most regulations in this area would target > emissions in the radio-frequency portion of the spectrum.) > > > > Perhaps what is needed is a cluster of clusters, where each cluster > > defines what resources the supercluster has access to. > > The analog here being some sort of Kerberos or LDAP distributed > authentication. > > > Right now, clusters are protected by physical boundary of an ethernet > > and physical cables to disk drives. > > All unencrypted traffic. Not just that of the cluster. > > > But once you open it up to IP, it will open a whole can of worms in > > terms of hackers trying to join a cluster. If hackers get hodl of > > cluster_authorize.dat, they can then join the cluster and have access to > > all the data on any disk. > > > If a cracker gains access to the wire and the traffic is unencrypted, > the cracker has all necessary access. Having the full contents of > CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE in your possession is not centrally relevant; if an > attacker has wire-level (unencrypted) or WiFi-level (unencrypted or WEP) > access to the data links, then the configuration is already pwned. > > This concern isn't specific to IP, in other words. > > As for clustering and its (current) use of IP, various SANs already > operate over IP. FCIP is in use at a number of OpenVMS sites. The > host-to-host communications do not traverse IP, but the FC storage does. > > > -- > www.HoffmanLabs.com > Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 2007 22:08:05 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote: > LDdriver V9.0 has just been released, it includes virtual tape support. > Enjoy! > http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver.html Very cool, I'm curious, does the virtual tape support include compatibility with any of the existing formats for tape images? The key one that would likely be of interest to myself is TPC compatibility, however, I could see others being interested in compatibility with the SIMH Virtual Tape format. The other question that comes to mind is will this work if the Virtual Tape file is located on a Unix NFS server? Zane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:17:45 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: <464B9119.1717A188@spam.comcast.net> healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > > Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote: > > LDdriver V9.0 has just been released, it includes virtual tape support. > > > Enjoy! > > > http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver.html > > Very cool, I'm curious, does the virtual tape support include compatibility > with any of the existing formats for tape images? The key one that would > likely be of interest to myself is TPC compatibility, however, I could see > others being interested in compatibility with the SIMH Virtual Tape format. > > The other question that comes to mind is will this work if the Virtual Tape > file is located on a Unix NFS server? Good questions! I'd think it would be entirely transparent to the format of the data within the container, though I would expect virtual tape containers to not be "portable" owing to the probable lack of such standards. I suspect an NFS-hosted tape container might work so long as the necessary functions are supported by $QIO on the target. LDDRIVER is likely to expect Fixed-512 rather than Stream-LF, I would think. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:18:41 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: LDdriver V9.0 has been released. Message-ID: <464B9151.824F3C50@spam.comcast.net> Jur van der Burg wrote: > > LDdriver V9.0 has just been released, it includes virtual tape support. > > Enjoy! > > http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver.html > > Jur van der Burg. Super! Now, If only I knew how to write the emulation so a VMS machine could act as a Virtual Tape Library... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:43:26 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Logikal Solutions Announces Logic Book Message-ID: <8660a3a10705161843l1752a8c3veb856fb1bee93f76@mail.gmail.com> On 5/16/07, Neil Rieck wrote: > > wrote in message > news:1179243904.775113.99780@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > This is slightly off-topic, but some of you have asked about it. > > There are mentions of VMS in it, but the book is not specific to > > OpenVMS. > > > > "The Minimum You Need to Know About Logic to Work in IT" > > > > Teaches newbies the long lost skills of flowcharting, pseudocoding, > > and how to solve problems without writing a single line of source. > > You can read more about it at http://theminimumyouneedtoknow.com. > > > > Thank you, > > Roland > > > > Your books are well written and I've just ordered a copy of this one for my > department. Thanks for your efforts. > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > Pseudocode. Reminds me of a protracted argument I once had with my systems analysis and design professor. I maintained that it was wordier to solve a problem with pseudocode than with COBOL. He, being a COBOL bigot (this *was* a while ago), took the other position. WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:59:33 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Microsoft home server Message-ID: Sounds like shadowing http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199600702 EE Times: Latest News Microsoft rallies partners around home server Rick Merritt EE Times (05/15/2007 11:02 PM EDT) LOS ANGELES — Microsoft Corp. has released more details on its plans to enable a new class of home servers starting this fall. The company disclosed the basic hardware requirements, demoed software features and announced partners who plan to roll out systems and supporting software. The Windows Home Server is essentially a four-drive consumer array of hard disks. It aims to help home users backup, manage and remotely access storage over a home network. The server can restore any drive on the network that fails. A management console lets users control access to various systems, files and features or access data or media stored on a remote system. To save costs the system does not implement the RAID array popular in servers. Instead it uses technology developed by a small Microsoft incubator company that ensures all data on a home network is stored on at least two independent drives. "If you lose one drive, there's no problem. If you lose two, you are probably OK," said a Microsoft developer demonstrating the software on the show floor at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) here. The home server requires a gigahertz-class processor and what's seen as a fairly heady 512 Mbytes DRAM. It has four USB ports and a built-in Gbit Ethernet port for linking to a home network. Microsoft wants the box act as a "headless" server and deliver media without glitches. Thus it forbids OEMs from building in Wi-Fi or any kind wireless communication. Microsoft also prohibits a keyboard, mouse, serial or parallel ports or an optical drive. Microsoft initially wanted a USB controller for each of the systems four ports, but backed down in the face of OEM concerns about hitting the lowest possible cost for the systems. In terms of noise, the software giant has specified the systems should generate no more than 30 dB. "A lot of folks are a little concerned about hitting that," said Scot Schulte, a senior director of corporate R&D in the consumer group at Inventec, a Taiwan-based systems maker who displayed on the show floor two versions of such servers geared for OEM buyers. Inventec will supply versions of its systems using both AMD desktop and notebook processors to determine what mix of low cost, noise and power consumption is of most interest to OEMs. AMD is delivering a reference design named Churchill for the home server, courting a broad group of companies including small system integrators. Some 60,000 people are already acting as testers for the software which is in a beta version 2 release. Microsoft first announced the concept of a Windows Home Server at the Consumer Electronics Show, saying it was working with Hewlett-Packard on the system. At WinHEC, Microsoft revealed it is now working with as many as 40 additional partners on the home server including Gateway Inc., LaCie and Medion International. At least eight companies said they will deliver applications for the Windows Home Server. The home server aims to complement features in Windows Vista that makes it easier to set up a home network. Microsoft is courting consumer electronics companies to get them to support its so-called Rally software in Vista to make it easier to recognize their systems on a PC home network. Vista "is going to drive innovation in peripherals," said Microsoft chairman Bill Gates in a keynote here Tuesday (May 15). "As of last week we've sold 40 million copies of Vista since the release about 100 days ago. That's twice as fast as our last major release, XP," Gates said. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:13:09 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT - Printers, etc. (was Shouldn't we be helping HP ?) Message-ID: <464B9005.154F1491@spam.comcast.net> "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > > > Laser printer for B&W? > > I have a RX600 - if you see what that is, you will understand that I need an > all-in-one solution. Anyway, the fact I needed to print a few contracts > does not excuse the Epson design that forces you to buy ink !!! Well, you may need an All-in-One solution; however, the RX600 is a PHOTO printer, not to mention an inkjet. I'd question whether it is as suitable for SOHO use as it is for home photo printing combined with scanning, etc. Definitely not for medium volume SOHO stuff, IMO. We have an OfficeJet K series color MFP for my wife (print, AFX Scanner, not photo quality). Even she sends print jobs to my LaserJet 1100A when she needs more than just a few pages. You may want to look into an old DeskJet 500 or something for jobs not needing color if you find laser not affordable. The DJ500 even has both parallel and serial comm. ports. Check it out on eBay. I saw one starting at $2.99(US) today. I have a DJ500 I no longer use, if you'd be interested... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 16 May 2007 21:56:01 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Paging Brian Roth Message-ID: <5b1cvhF2qom71U1@mid.individual.net> Sorry to disturb the group, but emails to Brian don't seem to be getting there for some reason. Brian was the one coming for another of the VAX 7000's but he didn't show up this weekend and I can't seem to contact him. And all this stuff is getting closer to the landfill every day. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:22:08 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Paging Brian Roth Message-ID: <464B9220.216AD4C9@spam.comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > Sorry to disturb the group, but emails to Brian don't seem to > be getting there for some reason. Brian was the one coming for > another of the VAX 7000's but he didn't show up this weekend and > I can't seem to contact him. And all this stuff is getting closer > to the landfill every day. Does the floor tilt toward the landfill? Does the building vibrate causing things to slide in that direction? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2007 00:01:58 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Paging Brian Roth Message-ID: <5b1kbmF2r41loU1@mid.individual.net> In article <464B9220.216AD4C9@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> >> Sorry to disturb the group, but emails to Brian don't seem to >> be getting there for some reason. Brian was the one coming for >> another of the VAX 7000's but he didn't show up this weekend and >> I can't seem to contact him. And all this stuff is getting closer >> to the landfill every day. > > Does the floor tilt toward the landfill? Actually, yes. :-) > Does the building vibrate causing things to slide in that direction? If the boss wants it to vibrate, it will vibrate. He may not always be right, but he is always the boss. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:50:47 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Paging Brian Roth Message-ID: On Wed, 16 May 2007 17:01:58 -0700, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <464B9220.216AD4C9@spam.comcast.net>, > David J Dachtera writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> >>> Sorry to disturb the group, but emails to Brian don't seem to >>> be getting there for some reason. Brian was the one coming for >>> another of the VAX 7000's but he didn't show up this weekend and >>> I can't seem to contact him. And all this stuff is getting closer >>> to the landfill every day. >> >> Does the floor tilt toward the landfill? > > Actually, yes. :-) > >> Does the building vibrate causing things to slide in that direction? > If the boss wants it to vibrate, it will vibrate. He may not always > be right, but he is always the boss. He takes AA batteries? > > bill > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:29:43 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: Printers and ink Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote: > Keith Parris wrote: >>it continues to happily print away until the last drop runs out. > > Which model? Deskjet 3520 and Deskjet 3740. These are the kind you pick up at Wal-Mart for $40. And I should have said they happily print away, until _and_after_ the last drop of ink runs out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:14:12 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Printers and ink (was: Shouldn't we be helping HP ?) Message-ID: <464B9044.EC1A2E1B@spam.comcast.net> Keith Parris wrote: > > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > HP are no better > > My HP printer warns me it's out of ink a good while before the ink > actually stops flowing, but it continues to happily print away until the > last drop runs out. (Donning dental smock) Which model? Our OfficeJet K-series stops dead when it gets unhappy about a cartridge. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:55:20 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Message-ID: Hi Brian, > > I have just IO$_ACPCONTROL and I am getting back a SIN6$ structure without > the use of the IO$M_EXTEND modifier bit. Are you able to show the $qio and the declaration/values of the parameters you're passing in? Cheers Richard Maher wrote in message news:00A67B09.4FAB7135@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article , "John Gemignani, Jr." writes: > > > > > > > > wrote in message > >news:00A67A7C.E34FD775@SendSpamHere.ORG... > >> In article <00A67A68.F7818E9B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- > >> @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > >>>{...snip...} > >> > >> A little more info... the socket name structures are documented on section > >> 5.5 of > >> the HP TCPIP Services "Sockets API and System Services Programming"; > >> particularly > >> in figures 5.8, 5.9 and 5.10. > >> > >> When using the IO$_SENSEMODE, is there anyway to enforce one format over > >> another? > >> > >> -- > >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > >> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > >> > >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > > >I coded up the QIO interface when TCPIP added support for IPv6. This > >required the BSD 4.4 interface which included the new length field. To use > >the BSD 4.4 interface (SIN44$), you need to set a special bit in the QIO > >modifiers. I think it was something like the IO$M_EXTEND bit. Otherwise a > >BSD 4.3 block (SIN$) is returned. > > I have just IO$_ACPCONTROL and I am getting back a SIN6$ structure without > the use of the IO$M_EXTEND modifier bit. > > > > >Note how the data is encoded ... the old 4.3 SIN had a 16-bit address > >family. The 4.4 SIN carves this into an 8-bit length and 8-bit family and > >can return IPv4 or IPv6 addresses. The SIN6 overlays the SIN44 and describes > >the IPv6 details. > > > >Don't set extend and you get a SIN$. Set extend and you get a SIN44$. Check > >the SIN44$B_FAMILY and if it's AF_SIN6 (TCPIP$C_SIN6?) then it's a SIN6. > >Keep in mind that IPv4 addresses can be encoded in IPv6 format. > > Not so in my case. > > > > >When compiling C modules, you select SIN44 by including the following line > >before your includes (check the underscores): > > > >#define _SOCKADDR_LEN > > > >Sorry that I can't recall the exact modifier, but it should not be hard to > >find. > > I'm looking at the first byte nor (SIN44$B_LEN/SIN6$B_LEN) to determine the > structure being returned. The documentation would seem to indicate that the > IO$M_EXTEND modifier bit is the decision maker but I am getting back a SIN6$ > structure on V8.3 with HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.6. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:06:12 -0700 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." Subject: Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Message-ID: wrote in message news:00A67B09.4FAB7135@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article , "John Gemignani, > Jr." writes: >> >> >> >> wrote in message >>news:00A67A7C.E34FD775@SendSpamHere.ORG... >>> In article <00A67A68.F7818E9B@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- >>> @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>>>{...snip...} >>> >>> A little more info... the socket name structures are documented on >>> section >>> 5.5 of >>> the HP TCPIP Services "Sockets API and System Services Programming"; >>> particularly >>> in figures 5.8, 5.9 and 5.10. >>> >>> When using the IO$_SENSEMODE, is there anyway to enforce one format over >>> another? >>> >>> -- >>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker >>> VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >>> >>> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >> >>I coded up the QIO interface when TCPIP added support for IPv6. This >>required the BSD 4.4 interface which included the new length field. To use >>the BSD 4.4 interface (SIN44$), you need to set a special bit in the QIO >>modifiers. I think it was something like the IO$M_EXTEND bit. Otherwise a >>BSD 4.3 block (SIN$) is returned. > > I have just IO$_ACPCONTROL and I am getting back a SIN6$ structure without > the use of the IO$M_EXTEND modifier bit. So then, you're NOT using IO$_SENSEMODE as you stated in your original question. If you're using IO$_ACPCONTROL, are you asking the ACP to perform name translation? From what I recall, that was an undocumented interface (but I could be wrong). > > > >>Note how the data is encoded ... the old 4.3 SIN had a 16-bit address >>family. The 4.4 SIN carves this into an 8-bit length and 8-bit family and >>can return IPv4 or IPv6 addresses. The SIN6 overlays the SIN44 and >>describes >>the IPv6 details. >> >>Don't set extend and you get a SIN$. Set extend and you get a SIN44$. >>Check >>the SIN44$B_FAMILY and if it's AF_SIN6 (TCPIP$C_SIN6?) then it's a SIN6. >>Keep in mind that IPv4 addresses can be encoded in IPv6 format. > > Not so in my case. > > > >>When compiling C modules, you select SIN44 by including the following line >>before your includes (check the underscores): >> >>#define _SOCKADDR_LEN >> >>Sorry that I can't recall the exact modifier, but it should not be hard to >>find. > > I'm looking at the first byte nor (SIN44$B_LEN/SIN6$B_LEN) to determine > the > structure being returned. The documentation would seem to indicate that > the > IO$M_EXTEND modifier bit is the decision maker but I am getting back a > SIN6$ > structure on V8.3 with HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.6. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.269 ************************