INFO-VAX Sun, 13 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 261 Contents: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: How to reset X-window Re: How to reset X-window Re: How to reset X-window Re: How to reset X-window Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Re: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability: FALSE and invalid VMS usernames Re: Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability: FALSE and invalid VMS usernames Re: SYSMAN problem TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6: any problems? Re: TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6: any problems? Re: TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6: any problems? VMS Audio Update - Episode #9 available... VT200 emulation under Mac OS X Re: VT200 emulation under Mac OS X Re: VT200 emulation under Mac OS X Weekly Boot Camp Update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 May 2007 21:23:36 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <46463058$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <4d1fe$4645eb64$cef8887a$19874@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: >Now, if VMS ran on the 8086 and itself provided virtualisation, it could >then host Windows and Linux as applications while running he real apps >on VMS. It is sad to see you repeating yourself in giving useful suggestions but the powers in charge continue to ignore them. I wonder who gets tired first... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:45:06 GMT From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: How to reset X-window Message-ID: "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.tr70lga5tte90l@hyrrokkin... > PuTTY SSH window on W2K to Alpha 7.3 ran program with garbage output to > display causing it to go into funny state, printing odd chars. It is a > simple enough matter to kill the display and open a new one, but is there > a way to reset it? It appears that characters have been remapped. PuTTY is (afaik) a terminal emulator yet you talk of X windows. JF replied for a case where X-windows itself is confused. If you really meant terminal emulator, the answer may be different. The PuTTY FAQ offers: "A.7.13 When I cat a binary file, my window title changes to a nonsense string. Don't do that, then. It is designed behaviour that PuTTY should have the ability to adjust the window title on instructions from the server. Normally the control sequence that does this should only be sent deliberately, by programs that know what they are doing and intend to put meaningful text in the window title. Writing a binary file to your terminal runs the risk of sending the same control sequence by accident, and cause unexpected changes in the window title. Don't do it. " which isn't really helpful but sounds like the same kind of situation. On a real terminal emulator I'd expect that your "garbage output" would do something like set the terminal into an alternate character set, or line drawing set, or similar. On a real VT terminal emulator there'd be a keyboard command sequence (maybe something like clear screen, clear comm, reset terminal) which would restore your normal operation. There'd be something equivalent on a real terminal too, which you'd be able to do either from the keyboard or by escape sequences from the host. I don't yet know PuTTY; does it offer anything like that? Anyone remember the ANSI/VT command string for "reset terminal" ? Put that in a file and type it and see what happens :) Not a huge amount of help is it :( regards John ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2007 21:15:03 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: How to reset X-window Message-ID: <46462e57$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >PuTTY SSH window on W2K to Alpha 7.3 ran program with garbage output to >display causing it to go into funny state, printing odd chars. It is a >simple enough matter to kill the display and open a new one, but is there >a way to reset it? It appears that characters have been remapped. Try then a simple $ esc[0,8]=27 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT esc, "(B" and tell us if this helps Maybe you need also (or only ;-) a $ so[0,8]=15 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT so -EPLAN PS: And if this fixes your problems you could make the solution permanent by stuffing it in your DCL prompt (only when on a DEC_CRT) with eg: ... $ sy_str = F$EX (0, 1, node) + F$ED (F$EX (1, sy_len, node), "LOWERCASE") $ us_str = F$EX (0, 1, user) + F$ED (F$EX (1, us_len, user), "LOWERCASE") $ pr_str = sy_str + "/" + us_str ... $ prompt = esc + "(B" + esc + "[4l" + esc + "7" + esc + "[r" + esc + "8" $ prompt = prompt + esc + "[1m" + pr_str + esc + "[m" ... $ IF .NOT. F$GETDVI ("TT", "TT_DECCRT") THEN prompt = pr_str + "$" $ SET PROMPT = "''prompt' " -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 01:04:54 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to reset X-window Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >PuTTY SSH window on W2K to Alpha 7.3 ran program with garbage output to >display causing it to go into funny state, printing odd chars. It is a >simple enough matter to kill the display and open a new one, but is there >a way to reset it? It appears that characters have been remapped. Do you mean the effect you get by for instance typing out a binary file where the escape sequences output change the characterset mapping. A trick that often works to reset it is to edit a file just type edit test.txt The command you type will display as complete garbage but when you press return you will be in the editor and the screen will be back to normal. You can then just exit the editor. This seems to work with both EVE and EDT though with EDT you will probably have to type in c (which will again show as some garbage character) to get into screen mode before the screen will reset. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:14:34 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: How to reset X-window Message-ID: <8d27e$46466691$cef8887a$8551@TEKSAVVY.COM> With DECterm, when binary output screws up the display, there is a menu option that resets the terminal, and there is also SET TERM/INQUIRE which usually resets the terminal (although I am not sure if it is an actual reset or just setting it to the right character set). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:38:52 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Message-ID: <0mr1i.7768$MH3.6658@newsfe4-win.ntli.net> I have some very old tapes that a friendly HP person loaded on to a CD for me a few years ago. I have finally got round to putting VMS on a SIMH simulated Vax and I am now trying to recover the data. The CD has some BCK files on it which I think are the raw backup savesets (created around1985), BACKUP in OpenVMS 7.3 says that these files are not savesets, but I am sure they are. I have opened the files in a binary editor and found the following strings near the start of the file: ROB.BCK'BACKUP/REW [...]*.*.* MS:ROB.BCK/VERIFY RJ_SAGE ,àZ /zZV3.5 9 _MSA0: V3.5 Which definitely suggest this is a backup save set (possibly written by VMS 3.5?). I have some text files that are also on the CD but seem to be quite garbled (although not completely) and some executables which still run, so I am not sure exactly what this says about the process that was used to recover the data. So my question is: can anyone tell me how I might try to read the saveset? I would also be very interested in any description of the saveset format so I can check with my binary editor and perhaps write a program to repair the saveset if necessary. Does anyone have any pointers to information of this sort? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:17:56 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Message-ID: <32bd$46464b3b$cef8887a$8577@TEKSAVVY.COM> Robert Jarratt wrote: > I have some very old tapes that a friendly HP person loaded on to a CD for > me a few years ago. If it is an "HP" person, then that person would have no idea of the special VMS file attributes for backup. (A "DIGITAL" person would). Best bet is to copy that file from CD to disk, and then use SET FILE/ATTRIB to fixup the file attributes of the save set so that BACKUP will be able to read it. There is supposed to be a backup trick that does that in VMS 8.3, but I can't recall the magic incantation required for it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:19:58 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Message-ID: Oh, and I forgot: could you post the output of DIR/FULL of the backup save set file on your CD ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 23:29:39 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Message-ID: Please ignore, after more searching I found @RESET_BACKUP_SAVESET_FILE_ATTRIBUTES.COM and that did the trick! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:03:00 -0400 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: Re: Recovering a Very Old Backup Saveset Message-ID: <6955159@MVB.SAIC.COM> You can process old savesets with the latest BACKUP -- but be careful if you're trying to boot a version before 7.2. The file structure was changed. Check out the /NOINIT parameter. HELP INIT has some helpful text, too. --Stan Quayle The CHARON-VAX guy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:32:22 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Message-ID: In article <4645c557$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > >However, in my > >case, the spammer might connect to my external backup MX server. While > >on the one hand it will reject obvious spam, on the other hand if it > >accepts email to a non-existent user on my system which I later reject > >due to Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability being set to false, then my backup > >MX server will bounce the message (since it initially accepted it), > >creating backscatter spam. > > Then you need to accept the mails on the backup MX server locally (means > checking for valid usernames) and then forward it (one-by-one username) > to the primary MX server (with the real mailboxes) instead. In principle, yes. However, the backup MX server is run externally (it is connected with dynaccess.de). The maintainer of it doesn't know the valid usernames of all of his customers. Suppose I buy something at Amazon; I can use the email address amazon@multivax.de and then do MAIL> SET FORWARD/USER=AMAZON HELBIG etc. It would be too much trouble keeping up-to-date lists of all valid usernames, even if it were possible to let the backup MX server know about these. ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2007 17:59:58 -0700 From: genius@marblecliff.com Subject: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Message-ID: <1179017998.548513.192850@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 12, 4:26 am, Martin Krischik wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > Is it really worth fighting against HP for the survival of VMS ? > > > What would happen if the VMS community were to start to help HP in very > > visible and public ways and convince the press and people that HP is > > truly winding down VMS and expecting people to switch to HP-UX ? > > I saw this all before (yep I was a Team OS/2 member). And somehow the OS/2 > compunity managed to rescue OS/2: > > http://www.ecomstation.com > > But then there is difference: OS/2 is desktop OS which more rewarding for > the hobby user. It got Firefox, OpenOffice etc. pp. > > Can you surf the Net with VMS? > Can you write an E-Mail with VMS? > Can you write an Letter with VMS? > > That's the three main tasks I do at home with a computer. > > Note: Software which has not been upgraded (mayor update) in the last 10 > years or so (as is the case with DecMail, DewWrite etc. pp.) are not > acceptable the answer. > > Martin > -- > mailto://krisc...@users.sourceforge.net > Ada programming at:http://ada.krischik.com Word11 word processor still works for us very nicely and even interfaces with Goldfax and Goldmail ... Sanface software has a text to PDF converter that allows you to create PDF files on vms then you can use PMDF mail to send them as an attachment. any c code can be ported fairly easily to vms ... pgp, gpg, apache ... vms can do ANYTHING, and do it securly without worrying about viruses or trojans or other security issues ... why doesn't apple buy vms? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 20:14:07 -0500 From: bradhamilton@comcast.net (Brad Hamilton) Subject: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Message-ID: In article <1179017998.548513.192850@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, genius@marblecliff.com wrote: > >Word11 word processor still works for us very nicely >and even interfaces with Goldfax and Goldmail ... > >Sanface software has a text to PDF converter that >allows you to create PDF files on vms then you >can use PMDF mail to send them as an attachment. > >any c code can be ported fairly easily to vms ... >pgp, gpg, apache ... > >vms can do ANYTHING, and do it securly without >worrying about viruses or trojans or other security >issues ... > >why doesn't apple buy vms? Or IBM, for that matter? VMS ported to Power (is it 6 now?)... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 01:28:26 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Shouldn't we be helping HP ? Message-ID: In article <1179017998.548513.192850@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, genius@marblecliff.com writes: >On May 12, 4:26 am, Martin Krischik wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >> > Is it really worth fighting against HP for the survival of VMS ? >> >> > What would happen if the VMS community were to start to help HP in very >> > visible and public ways and convince the press and people that HP is >> > truly winding down VMS and expecting people to switch to HP-UX ? >> >> I saw this all before (yep I was a Team OS/2 member). And somehow the OS/2 >> compunity managed to rescue OS/2: >> >> http://www.ecomstation.com >> >> But then there is difference: OS/2 is desktop OS which more rewarding for >> the hobby user. It got Firefox, OpenOffice etc. pp. >> >> Can you surf the Net with VMS? >> Can you write an E-Mail with VMS? >> Can you write an Letter with VMS? >> >> That's the three main tasks I do at home with a computer. >> >> Note: Software which has not been upgraded (mayor update) in the last 10 >> years or so (as is the case with DecMail, DewWrite etc. pp.) are not >> acceptable the answer. >> >> Martin >> -- >> mailto://krisc...@users.sourceforge.net >> Ada programming at:http://ada.krischik.com > >Word11 word processor still works for us very nicely >and even interfaces with Goldfax and Goldmail ... > >Sanface software has a text to PDF converter that >allows you to create PDF files on vms then you >can use PMDF mail to send them as an attachment. > >any c code can be ported fairly easily to vms ... >pgp, gpg, apache ... > >vms can do ANYTHING, and do it securly without >worrying about viruses or trojans or other security >issues ... > >why doesn't apple buy vms? > Apple has just moved their Macs from PowerPC to Intel X86. Why would they want to purchase an OS which is restricted to Itaniums, and is probably further restricted by certain features to just HP based Itanium boxes, from HP ? If HP had ported it to x86-64 then it might make sense for someone else to purchase VMS presuming HP was willing to sell. However if HP had ported VMS to x86-64 then that would probably indicate that HP was taking VMS seriously and hence would not wish to sell. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:14:39 -0500 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <4uOdnaRcW4WCj9vbnZ2dnUVZ_o7inZ2d@comcast.com> In article , Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Hoffman [mailto:Hoff@HoffmanLabs-RemoveThis-.Org] >> Sent: May 9, 2007 2:01 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) >> > >[snip...] > > >> >> As various folks (and probably Kerry most recently) have commented, >> the hardware and software acquisition costs often end up being >> noise-level stuff over the lifetime of the product or process or >> development effort. If you buy cheap up front, make sure you don't >> end >> up paying more over the lifetime of the product or the deployment, in >> terms of services, hassles, support, upgrades, purchasing add-on tools >> that are standard on other boxes, etc. ROI. >> >> >> -- >> www.HoffmanLabs.com >> Services for OpenVMS > >Something else to consider .. remember about 3-5 years ago when everyone >was touting the latest HW spec's and TPC's and which HW platform was the >fastest and based on this was the one people should buy? > >Fast forward to today and look at those servers now - the average >Wintel/Linux server in peak times is running about 10-20% busy and UNIX >server is about 15-30% busy in peak times. > >So, in retrospect, while everyone always makes a big deal out of the >latest server performance numbers (and yes there are some environments >which do need high performance servers), until companies get out of the >one app, one server model, the performance numbers of HW servers are >really not that much of a factor. > >Regards > > >Kerry Main >Senior Consultant >HP Services Canada >Voice: 613-592-4660 >Fax: 613-591-4477 >kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >(remove the DOT's and AT) > >OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > I'm back in the job market at a University in NJ now. It appears the new thing is one app one virtual server under VMware now. Easy to migrate to new hardware. Easy to configure new ones at a moments notice. Perhaps what's needed is something like an Alpha version of SimH under VMware... Configure a Virtual VMS box and run. Then you could run the stuff on Proliants. No expensive ia64 needed. Bill > > -- -- "When I think back on all the crap I learned in Vax school It's a wonder I fixed anything at all." (to the tune of Kodachrome) pechter-at-gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:06:31 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <46461e3e$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> William Pechter wrote: > It appears the new thing is one app one virtual server under VMware now. > > Easy to migrate to new hardware. Easy to configure new ones at a > moments notice. Perhaps what's needed is something like an Alpha > version of SimH under VMware... Configure a Virtual VMS box and run. > > Then you could run the stuff on Proliants. > No expensive ia64 needed. What would you need VMware for when running SimH ? BTW, performance for a VM emulating instruction set is not the same as for a VM using native instruction set. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:02:25 -0500 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: In article <46461e3e$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >William Pechter wrote: >> It appears the new thing is one app one virtual server under VMware now. >> >> Easy to migrate to new hardware. Easy to configure new ones at a >> moments notice. Perhaps what's needed is something like an Alpha >> version of SimH under VMware... Configure a Virtual VMS box and run. >> >> Then you could run the stuff on Proliants. >> No expensive ia64 needed. > >What would you need VMware for when running SimH ? So I could run the Non-VMS linux virtual machines for their stuff like Lotus Notes on RedHat... I'd love to see that and Hercules replacing the OS/390 box as well. Cheap hardware and tried-and-true software. The best mix. (especially if they don't make that tried-and-true hardware any more...) > >BTW, performance for a VM emulating instruction set is not >the same as for a VM using native instruction set. > >Arne Bill -- -- "When I think back on all the crap I learned in Vax school It's a wonder I fixed anything at all." (to the tune of Kodachrome) pechter-at-gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:29:15 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability: FALSE and invalid VMS usernames Message-ID: In article <4645c44c$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > TCPIP V5.5 is OpenVMS V8.2 only, TCPIP V5.6 is OpenVMS V8.2 & V8.3 only. > You stick with V5.4 (ECO6) for the forseeable future (until VMS V8.3)... Weren't there some issues with V5.4 (ECO6)? Has anyone installed it and has it running with no problems? ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2007 21:27:42 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability: FALSE and invalid VMS usernames Message-ID: <4646314e$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >In article <4645c44c$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter >'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: > >> TCPIP V5.5 is OpenVMS V8.2 only, TCPIP V5.6 is OpenVMS V8.2 & V8.3 only. >> You stick with V5.4 (ECO6) for the forseeable future (until VMS V8.3)... > >Weren't there some issues with V5.4 (ECO6)? Has anyone installed it and >has it running with no problems? Yup. The problems was in Non-BIND (= HOSTS) environment. We run in BIND world. And the problem could be workarounded by using a image file of ECO5 instead. -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:29:39 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: SYSMAN problem Message-ID: <464615A3.E88D4277@spam.comcast.net> John wrote: > > Bob Koehler wrote: > > >In article <31781$4643e312$cef8887a$29845@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > > > > > And the current public roadmap shows plans to VMScluster over an IP > > network. Now that is a change. > > > > > SCS over IP - firt thought is that IP may allow for longer distance > clusters. > > What is the intent of SCS over IP? Any thoughts? Side-stepping the current generation of network "gurus" who think that IP is the only current protocol in existence. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:43:40 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6: any problems? Message-ID: I'm catching up on patches and am now at HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 5 and am thinking about moving to ECO 6. However, I seem to recall some discussion here a while back about problems with this patch. Or am I confusing this with some other TCPIP patch? In any case, is anyone running TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6 with no problems? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:58:35 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6: any problems? Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > I'm catching up on patches and am now at > > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 5 > > and am thinking about moving to ECO 6. However, I seem to recall some > discussion here a while back about problems with this patch. Or am I > confusing this with some other TCPIP patch? In any case, is anyone > running TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6 with no problems? Found it: http://groups.google.de/group/comp.os.vms/msg/e6e695009d40f97b?hl=de& > >My hobbyist Alpha system running VMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6 has > >recently developed an inability to reach the Internet, at least with > >TCP/IP protocols. When I ping a remote host using a hostname its IP > >address is returned, but all packets end up lost. I believe this > >problem coincided with my upgrade from ECO 5 to ECO 6 of TCPIP, but > >wouldn't swear to it. The timing may be coincidental. > > There is a known problem with V5.4 ECO6. > But AFAIK it is with the nametranslation (and only in Non-BIND means > HOSTS environments) and so it seems it doesn't relate to your problems. > The "solution" was to use a particular shareable image of ECO5 instead. PING doesn't work? Surely there is an ECO for 5.4 which fixes this? Or am I confused? Is there a version of ECO 6 without this problem? If so, is it the one currently at ITRC? If not, where is a more detailed description of the problem? If this is the only known serious problem with this ECO, I'll probably go for it, unless it will affect me directly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:02:38 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6: any problems? Message-ID: <07051214023872_202002DA@antinode.org> From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 5 > and am thinking about moving to ECO 6. However, I seem to recall some > discussion here a while back about problems with this patch. Or am I > confusing this with some other TCPIP patch? In any case, is anyone > running TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6 with no problems? alp $ tcpip show vers HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.4 - ECO 6 on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V7.3-2 "PROD SHOW HIST *tcpip*" says: DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_ECO V5.4-156 Patch Install 22-SEP-2006 16:11:25 0 SYSTEM So it's apparently been working for me for a while. As I recall, the problems involved systems which were _not_ using DNS, but a search through c.o.v and/or the ITRC should be more reliable than my memory. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 23:50:04 -0400 From: "Ken Farmer" Subject: VMS Audio Update - Episode #9 available... Message-ID: <46468ae8$0$1415$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> VMS Audio Update - Episode #9 Length: 37 minutes In the 9th episode, the last one before bootcamp: - Steve Lieman and Hoff talk about the bootcamp - A solicitation from Colin Butcher - Hoff interviews Ann McQuaid - Nic Clews talking about Nemonix - Colin again with some DECnet tips - Steve Lieman with a T4 alternate collector tip We Need Your Feedback! http://www.openvms.org/feedback Download: http://www.openvms.org/podcast/VAU-2007-05-10_09.mp3 -------------------------------------------- Pleae read the article I posted on OpenVMS.org: VMS Audio Update feedback and community participation, http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/05/12/7873285 Ken __________________________________ Kenneth R. Farmer < 336-736-7376 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org | vpn.OpenVMS.org de.OpenVMS.org (German) | fr.OpenVMS.org (French) | it.OpenVMS.org (Italian) ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2007 15:10:58 -0700 From: "vmsmangler@earthlink.net" Subject: VT200 emulation under Mac OS X Message-ID: <1179007857.983851.267080@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> I have 2 Digital Personal Workstations (433au,500au) plus an Imac G5 running OS X 10.3.9. The original documentation for OS X said the terminal emulator supported VT100 and VT200. It does indeed support VT100 but I have never been able to get it to support VT200. Have any of you had any luck doing this? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 01:01:54 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VT200 emulation under Mac OS X Message-ID: <00A67861.3B906AF2@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <1179007857.983851.267080@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "vmsmangler@earthlink.net" writes: > > >I have 2 Digital Personal Workstations (433au,500au) plus an Imac G5 >running OS X 10.3.9. The original documentation for OS X said the >terminal emulator supported VT100 and VT200. It does indeed support >VT100 but I have never been able to get it to support VT200. > >Have any of you had any luck doing this? Load X11 on your Mac (it's on one of the CDs which come with the Tiger distribution). Then launch DECterms if you want VT100/200 terminals. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 01:09:41 GMT From: Bob Harris Subject: Re: VT200 emulation under Mac OS X Message-ID: In article <1179007857.983851.267080@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "vmsmangler@earthlink.net" wrote: > I have 2 Digital Personal Workstations (433au,500au) plus an Imac G5 > running OS X 10.3.9. The original documentation for OS X said the > terminal emulator supported VT100 and VT200. It does indeed support > VT100 but I have never been able to get it to support VT200. > > Have any of you had any luck doing this? > > Bill While VAXman is correct that using X11 is the best way to get a real VT terminal experience, you should know that there are other terminal emulators available for MacOSX. Plus you can play with the preferences for all the terminal emulators to tweak things. And for X11, you should read the X11 preferences to make sure you know all the options for how X11 simulates a 3 button mouse. I personally use iTerm as my daily terminal emulator , but it is not perfect. However for me I like its tabbed windows so that I actually have about 17 tabs open all the time going to 8 different systems. But not everyone likes iTerm, so your mileage may vary. Bob Harris ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2007 19:18:08 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Weekly Boot Camp Update Message-ID: <1179022688.231934.182620@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Dear Newsgroup, Sorry for the delay in getting this to you, only one more. sue -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:35 PM To: Skonetski, Susan Subject: OpenVMS Advanced Technical Boot Camp weekly attendance update - ok for external Dear Distribution lists, Well we have 9 days before the Boot Camp and the Seminars start next week all of which are full. Before I give you the details I just wanted to say thank you for all your work. The Core Team which is the team working behind the scenes to pull the Boot Camp off is really an excellent team and I look forward to you meeting them. They are truly masters at their crafts. And of course our speakers are preparing a full feast of technical information for the attendees. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html Lets speak a few minutes about our attendees Current registration is 185 with 2 pending seats (we know that they are registering we are just waiting on some details) so that gives us 13 available seats. Our youngest person is still Tore he is 19 from Norway then we have a 22 and 23 year old from Germany, I think it might be cool to do some mentoring what about you? Where is everyone from at this Boot Camp. At this point 88 folks are from outside of the US. There will be people from 22 different countries which is certainly a nice cross mix. And in the mixture is just about every vertical segment you can think of. See you soon. Sue Austria - 3 Australia - 1 Barbados - 1 Belgium - 2 Canada - 7 England - 8 France - 1 Germany - 12 Hungary - 1 India - 2 Israel - 1 Ireland - 1 Italy - 3 Lithuania - 2 Malaysia - 1 Netherlands - 10 Norway - 1 Scotland - 1 Spain -1 Sweden - 15 Switzerland - 3 US everyone else ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.261 ************************