INFO-VAX Mon, 07 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 250 Contents: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Re: command file for use with sftp2 command interpretation Re: command interpretation Re: command interpretation Re: command interpretation Re: command interpretation Economical, low priced and high quality dentistry in Dominican Republic. http:/ EERP - Retirement Re: EERP - Retirement Re: EERP - Retirement Re: EERP - Retirement installing resident images - problem Re: installing resident images - problem Re: List of VMS command file .COM domain names (was: Free email account VMSUSER. Re: List of VMS command file .COM domain names (was: Free email account VMSUSER. Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Re: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Re: SSH Keys for a heterogeneous Environment Re: SSH Keys for a heterogeneous Environment Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 07 May 2007 08:26:57 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote in news:90f83$463e0b37$cef8887a$15751@TEKSAVVY.COM: > Since HP isn't willing to lift a finger to promote VMS, what if the > user community were to launch a jihad to promote VMS via the hobbyist > programme ? > > We start telling popular news sites about it, make the CDs available > for download and promote the hell out of it, and use comp.os.vms as a > hobbyist support medium. What would be a big help to the Hobbyist programme would be a minimal bootable Linux CD to run sim-h and VMS. Most people who would like to try new operating systems would probably jump at the chance to download something like that as an alternative to the existing hobbyist kit. Based on what I've seen with some distributions it should also be possible to have it install to the hard disk. This would mean there would need to be a third media kit from Montagar, a Virtual-VAX-on-a-disk. Pop it in, boot it up, and you're running VMS. Make it downloadable as well and give it some publicity and you'd probably have a lot more hobbyists in a short period of time. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 05:33:36 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <4aca4$463ef27a$cef8887a$18948@TEKSAVVY.COM> Doc wrote: > This would mean there would need to be a third media kit from Montagar, a > Virtual-VAX-on-a-disk. Pop it in, boot it up, and you're running VMS. Make > it downloadable as well and give it some publicity and you'd probably have > a lot more hobbyists in a short period of time. This would be very neat. HOWEVER, consider that VAX-VMS hasn't been developped in many years and HP failed in delivering the promised 8.x release of VAX-VMS. Do you really want potential adopters of VMS to get a taste of VMS from an old version of VMS lacking many of the neat features added in 8.3 ? (and TCPIP Services 5.6) ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 02:40:56 -0700 From: Ian Miller Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <1178530856.522375.150730@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> this seems like a sensible idea and is feasible unlike some of the nonsense in this thread. Would you be willing to help? One of the problems with VMS is that there are many people who complain, very few who actually do something positive to help. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:45:47 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463ee8d2$0$16368$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7906A.F611E710 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:463E6FAF.1060206@comcast.net... > Neil Rieck wrote: >> >> "JF Mezei" wrote in message >> news:a3c3b$463e521d$cef8887a$24421@TEKSAVVY.COM... >> [...snip...] >> >> Since Jihad means "holy war" maybe we should be using the word "Ijtihad" >> (ij-tee-had) which means "logical discussion and debate"? (or did you >> have "war" with HP management in mind? :-) >> [...snip...] > > "Jihad" does NOT mean "holy war". Its literal meaning is more like > "struggle" in the sense that, say, giving up smoking can be a jihad. > From www.dictionary.com (which may not be the best source of information on this topic) ji·had [ji-hahd] -noun 1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims. 2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle. NSR ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7906A.F611E710 Content-Type: image/png; name="thinsp.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAIAAAAECAYAAACk7+45AAAABmJLR0QA/wD/AP+gvaeTAAAACXBI WXMAAAsTAAALEwEAmpwYAAAAB3RJTUUH1gIDEQY1fcsD/gAAABZJREFUeNpj/P//PwMDAwMDEwMU YDIAZk4DBZ6gyC0AAAAASUVORK5CYII= ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7906A.F611E710-- -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 07:54:01 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463F1359.504@comcast.net> Neil Rieck wrote: > > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message > news:463E6FAF.1060206@comcast.net... > >> Neil Rieck wrote: >> >>> >>> "JF Mezei" wrote in message >>> news:a3c3b$463e521d$cef8887a$24421@TEKSAVVY.COM... >>> > [...snip...] > >>> >>> Since Jihad means "holy war" maybe we should be using the word >>> "Ijtihad" (ij-tee-had) which means "logical discussion and debate"? >>> (or did you have "war" with HP management in mind? :-) >>> > [...snip...] > >> >> "Jihad" does NOT mean "holy war". Its literal meaning is more like >> "struggle" in the sense that, say, giving up smoking can be a jihad. >> > From www.dictionary.com (which may not be the best source of > information on this topic) > > ji·had [ji-hahd] > -noun 1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims. > 2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle. > > > NSR Well, the first definition more or less applies to the American use of the Arabic word. . . . ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 07:44:37 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: In article <463e0f14$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: > > PS: According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hurd then Hurd > is born in New Your City - does that qualify for american english > speaking ? As anybody west of the Deleware Valley can tell you, New York City is not home to American English. Generally we can communicate, but some time we have to be carefull with them. ------------------------------ Date: 07 May 2007 13:41:35 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote in news:4aca4$463ef27a$cef8887a$18948@TEKSAVVY.COM: > Doc wrote: >> This would mean there would need to be a third media kit from >> Montagar, a Virtual-VAX-on-a-disk. Pop it in, boot it up, and you're >> running VMS. Make it downloadable as well and give it some publicity >> and you'd probably have a lot more hobbyists in a short period of >> time. > > > This would be very neat. > > HOWEVER, consider that VAX-VMS hasn't been developped in many years > and HP failed in delivering the promised 8.x release of VAX-VMS. Do > you really want potential adopters of VMS to get a taste of VMS from > an old version of VMS lacking many of the neat features added in 8.3 ? > (and TCPIP Services 5.6) As I'm sure many other people are thinking, I'll say don't be so negative JF. The differences aren't enough to stop someone moving on to more modern versions - if they're interested enough to get some hardware. This offers a trial that requires what in expenditure? The time to register with Encompass so you can get licenses, the time to download a disk image and burn it, and the cost of a blank CD. Customise the setup - have it running WASD (with things like the Help CGI enabled); have a Usenet client available (tailor the documentation to tell you how to subscribe to comp.os.vms); have the c compiler already in place; basically make it a little more than a naked install. Sue, I hope you're taking notes and planning to bend the ear of a few VMS Engineers - this would be a great "midnight oil" project for someone to pick up. We'd happily host an ISO on Deathrow if you can beat some management up and get permission to distribute. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 07 May 2007 13:45:34 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: Ian Miller wrote in news:1178530856.522375.150730 @p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: > this seems like a sensible idea and is feasible unlike some of the > nonsense in this thread. > Would you be willing to help? > > One of the problems with VMS is that there are many people who > complain, very few who actually do something positive to help. I don't know about Linux (or BSD - which would be an option I think), but I'd be happy to do what I can to promote such a release. I'd want to get a double-check on hosting an ISO of it on Deathrow, but I do feel that it should be taken to hp in terms of offering a sample of their high-end OS - so I'd prefer to see it on http://www.hp.com/go/try-openvms. You can be sure I'd promote that in as many places as I could think of. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:54:35 -0700 From: "Malcolm Dunnett" Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463f3dac$1@flight> "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:463E0C3D.5020706@comcast.net... > BTW, is there anyone left at HP who speaks unaccented American English? Would that be the way they speak in Georgia or the way they speak in New England you're thinking of? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:04:30 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: We could do that as long as we are kept out of the courts with HP DT "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:a3c3b$463e521d$cef8887a$24421@TEKSAVVY.COM... > David J Dachtera wrote: >> Fair chance to run afoul of HP, legally. > > > Hence the use of the word "jihad". A battle to preserve, promote VMS > against its lethargic owner. > > If we had the media's/IT community's ear, then HP would have to think > twice before launching legal proceedings because that action would have a > good chance of backfiring with public opinion turning against HP. > > Now, having on-line media is the current show stopper because HP's legal > folks would then have a legitimate beef. But if we could get VMS > management to agree to on-line media distribution for hobbyists, we would > then have full potential to make as much noise as we could about the > hobbyist programme outside of the VMS community. > > Or, we might be able to get Island to burn CDs and include them with those > DS10Ls that are available are a fair price. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:06:42 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: A jihad on the Hobbyist programme ? Message-ID: <463F5CA2.8040400@comcast.net> Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message > news:463E0C3D.5020706@comcast.net... > > >>BTW, is there anyone left at HP who speaks unaccented American English? > > > Would that be the way they speak in Georgia or the way they speak in New > England you're > thinking of? > > Either would be a little easier than the, I presume, Indian accent that I've been hearing. I'd feel a little more certain that we understood each other. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:24:20 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: BASIC problem calling LIB$ RTL Message-ID: In article <463dc9da$0$16320$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, n.rieck@sympatico.ca says... > "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" wrote in message > news:1178418572.462196.151280@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > On May 2, 9:21 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > > [...snip...] > > > > S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(FROM$,TO$, , , , ,RENAME_ERROR, , , ,RESULT$, ) > > > > Compare this to for example this slightly contrived example. > > > > S%=LIB$RENAME_FILE(EDIT$(FROM$,2%),TO > > $, , , , ,RENAME_ERROR, , , ,RESULT$, ) > > > > What do you expect the compile to do? > > Pass the address of the edit function or the result of calling it? > > > > The complier will always attempt to evaluate all expressions before > attempting to prepare for the call. The main problem with the original > program was that the author did not use a formal method to declare > LIB$RENAME_FILE. I've seen tons of code like this (almost always written by > less disciplined programmers) and the only way to fix it is to replace all > the home grown declarations with something like this: > > %include "starlet" %from %library "sys$library:basic$starlet" ! sys$ > %include "$ssdef" %from %library "sys$library:basic$starlet" ! ss$ > %include "lib$routines" %from %library "sys$library:basic$starlet" ! lib$ > %include "$libclidef" %from %library "sys$library:basic$starlet" ! lib$ cli > > I took the liberty of peeking into starlet for LIB$RENAME_FILE and this is > what I found: > > ! LIB$RENAME_FILE > ! > ! Rename One or More Files > ! > ! The Rename One or More Files routine changes the names of one or more > ! files. The specification of the files to be renamed may include > ! wildcards. LIB$RENAME_FILE is similar in function to the DCL command > ! RENAME. > ! > EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION lib$rename_file & > ( STRING BY DESC, & > STRING BY DESC, & > OPTIONAL STRING BY DESC, & > STRING BY DESC, & > LONG BY REF, & > LONG BY VALUE, & > LONG BY VALUE, & > LONG BY VALUE, & > LONG BY VALUE, & > STRING BY DESC, & > STRING BY DESC, & > LONG BY REF & > ) > Unfortunately, using this prototype wouldn't have detected the problem. RENAME_ERROR (IIRC) was declared as a long function, so the compiler would be happy to evaluate it and pass the result as a longword to LIB$RENAME_FILE. The problem is there is no way (that I know of) in BASIC to declare a function argument as the address of a procedure, so the prototype has to declare it as a long by ref, and the caller has to provide the LOC() of the procedure as the argument. So the compiler can't detect various coding errors such as passing a constant or a variable or a temporary longword on the stack containing the result of a function instead of the address of a procedure. I wonder how much work it would be to add procedures to BASIC as a pseudo datatype, and fix all the prototypes without breaking all existing programs that use the current prototypes? :-) > Click the following link if you want to see how I peeked into the starlet > library. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/hacking_OpenVMS_starlet.html > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ > > > -- John ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 08:51:16 -0700 From: vms_young@yahoo.com Subject: Re: command file for use with sftp2 Message-ID: <1178553076.383706.89820@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Phillip, I've encountered that problem before. Question: have you converted your SFTP batch script into a Stream-LF format? If not, it will behave exactly as you describe: the SFTP command exits silently without doing anything. (Feels like UNIX already, doesn't it?) The Secure Shell (SSH) server comes with some built-in functions to handle this. You can convert your batch script directly by running this script: @SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$CONVERT.COM. The prompts have common- sense answers. NOTES: 1. You may have to run SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS.COM first. 2. Do not forget to quote the "-B" flag, upper cased - it will not work otherwise. On May 6, 4:48 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article <1178445291.095723.185...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, Ian > > Miller writes: > > did you quote the -B > > ie. > > > sftp2 "-B" ... > > I think I tried all combinations of upper and lower case, quoting the > switch, the entire parameter, the entire string after the command etc. > > > What is the error message? > > None; it just doesn't do anything. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:43:19 +0200 From: Martin Krischik Subject: command interpretation Message-ID: <463f02c7$1@news.post.ch> Hallo, I searched high and low to find how "command interpretation" actually works. But all I found is [1]: `echo command interpretation with interpolation and backslashes` %x(echo command interpretation with interpolation and backslashes) Now, this does not explain what kind of interpolation is done and more importantly: How to switch interpolation off. Background: I use ruby on the vms operating system and I want to run the following test command: x = ´WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$TRNLNM("SOURCE")´ But all I get is: test.ruby:8: warning: parenthesize argument(s) for future version test.ruby:8: parse error x = ´WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$TRNLNM("SOURCE")´ ^ From which I deduct that some "magic" is done with the $ character which I don't want. Martin [1] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_Programming/Syntax/Literals#Interpolation -- Martin Krischik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:12:21 +0200 From: Robert Klemme Subject: Re: command interpretation Message-ID: <5a8fs7F2nmj10U1@mid.individual.net> On 07.05.2007 12:43, Martin Krischik wrote: > Hallo, > > I searched high and low to find how "command interpretation" actually > works. But all I found is [1]: > > `echo command interpretation with interpolation and backslashes` > %x(echo command interpretation with interpolation and backslashes) > > Now, this does not explain what kind of interpolation is done and more > importantly: How to switch interpolation off. > > Background: I use ruby on the vms operating system and I want to run the > following test command: > > x = ´WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$TRNLNM("SOURCE")´ > > But all I get is: > > test.ruby:8: warning: parenthesize argument(s) for future version > test.ruby:8: parse error > x = ´WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$TRNLNM("SOURCE")´ > ^ > From which I deduct that some "magic" is done with the $ character > which I don't want. > > Martin > [1] > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_Programming/Syntax/Literals#Interpolation Use system with multiple arguments. I think that should help. robert ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 07:57:08 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: command interpretation Message-ID: In article <463f02c7$1@news.post.ch>, Martin Krischik writes: It would help a lot, if in your title, or at the start of your post you mentioned this was with respect to using Ruby. > > Background: I use ruby on the vms operating system and I want to run the > following test command: Did you port Ruby to VMS or did you find it somewhere? ------------------------------ Date: 07 May 2007 13:48:07 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: command interpretation Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in news:ONL8pypEMmdf@eisner.encompasserve.org: > In article <463f02c7$1@news.post.ch>, Martin Krischik > writes: > > It would help a lot, if in your title, or at the start of your post > you mentioned this was with respect to using Ruby. > >> >> Background: I use ruby on the vms operating system and I want to run >> the following test command: > > Did you port Ruby to VMS or did you find it somewhere? I found this http://www.geocities.jp/vmsruby/en/ How untested it is, well... That's "TBD". Doc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:08:12 GMT From: Ken Bloom Subject: Re: command interpretation Message-ID: On Mon, 07 May 2007 12:43:19 +0200, Martin Krischik wrote: > Hallo, > > I searched high and low to find how "command interpretation" actually > works. But all I found is [1]: > > `echo command interpretation with interpolation and backslashes` > %x(echo command interpretation with interpolation and backslashes) > > Now, this does not explain what kind of interpolation is done and more > importantly: How to switch interpolation off. > > Background: I use ruby on the vms operating system and I want to run the > following test command: > > x = ´WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$TRNLNM("SOURCE")´ > > But all I get is: > > test.ruby:8: warning: parenthesize argument(s) for future version > test.ruby:8: parse error > x = ´WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$TRNLNM("SOURCE")´ > ^ > From which I deduct that some "magic" is done with the $ character > which I don't want. What kind of quote is a ´ ? It doesn't work out to be a backquote when I view it on my Linux system. Unlike perl and the shell, the $ isn't used for any magic in Ruby strings. (The #{} syntax is used instead.) The interpreter has decided to parse this as a function call within Ruby, and I'm guessing that's because your quotes aren't quotes. --Ken -- Ken Bloom. PhD candidate. Linguistic Cognition Laboratory. Department of Computer Science. Illinois Institute of Technology. http://www.iit.edu/~kbloom1/ ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 06:48:59 -0700 From: dentists@thedominican-republic.com Subject: Economical, low priced and high quality dentistry in Dominican Republic. http:/ Message-ID: <1178545739.698005.48130@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Economical, low priced and high quality dentistry in Dominican Republic. http://dentists.thedominican-republic.com ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 06:33:12 -0700 From: Charlie Subject: EERP - Retirement Message-ID: <1178544792.789839.15220@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Since moving to a home office last August, I haven't been around this newsgroup much. I probably won't be around much in the future either -- because I have been accepted into HP's 200l Enhanced Early Retirmenet Program (EERP). May 31st, 2007, will be my last day working for HP. While I will miss OpenVMS Engineering and the many fine people I've met here, for me this was the right thing at the right time. I could see no reason NOT to take EERP. Meanwhile, I'm not dropping off the end of the Earth! I'll be around. I'll try to monitor this newsgroup from time to time. My HP email should work through the end of May -- Charles dot Hammond at HP dot com My peronal email shoudl work for the indefinite future -- Charles Hammond at Net Zero dot com. ***NO SPACE between my first and last name ** NO SPACE between NET and ZERO. I might even try to fix some DCL_CHECK issues! I would like to find some full or part time work related to OpenVMS for the next five years or so. Either as an employee or as a contractor. My wife needs to work that long to be fully vested in all the retirement benefits from her company. And some $$$ income woudl be nice, too! ;-) If you know of any OpenVMS jobs in the South Florida area, please let me know or pass my name and email on to them. ("South Florida" means the general area of Palm Beach and Broward (Fort Lauderdale) counties.) All suggestions welcome. hanks in adance. ------------------------------ Date: 07 May 2007 14:03:27 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: EERP - Retirement Message-ID: Charlie wrote in news:1178544792.789839.15220@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: > Since moving to a home office last August, I haven't been around this > newsgroup much. I probably won't be around much in the future either > -- because I have been accepted into HP's 200l Enhanced Early > Retirmenet Program (EERP). May 31st, 2007, will be my last day working > for HP. > > While I will miss OpenVMS Engineering and the many fine people I've > met here, for me this was the right thing at the right time. I could > see no reason NOT to take EERP. > > Meanwhile, I'm not dropping off the end of the Earth! I'll be around. > I'll try to monitor this newsgroup from time to time. My HP email > should work through the end of May -- Charles dot Hammond at HP dot > com My peronal email shoudl work for the indefinite future -- Charles > Hammond at Net Zero dot com. ***NO SPACE between my first and last > name ** NO SPACE between NET and ZERO. > > I might even try to fix some DCL_CHECK issues! > > I would like to find some full or part time work related to OpenVMS > for the next five years or so. Either as an employee or as a > contractor. My wife needs to work that long to be fully vested in all > the retirement benefits from her company. And some $$$ income woudl > be nice, too! ;-) > > If you know of any OpenVMS jobs in the South Florida area, please let > me know or pass my name and email on to them. ("South Florida" means > the general area of Palm Beach and Broward (Fort Lauderdale) > counties.) All suggestions welcome. hanks in adance. Florida huh? Deathrow is in your state, if you haven't already dropped in under a sneaky username you probably should. We even have DECnotes via Usenet - hows that for making VMS do things it isn't supposed to? :-P I hope you have a long and happy retirement, and good luck looking for the oddjobbing stuff until your wife retires. Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 09:02:32 -0700 From: DaveG Subject: Re: EERP - Retirement Message-ID: <1178553752.437377.236180@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 7, 8:33 am, Charlie wrote: > Since moving to a home office last August, I haven't been around this > newsgroup much. > I probably won't be around much in the future either -- because I have > been accepted > into HP's 200l Enhanced Early Retirmenet Program (EERP). > May 31st, 2007, will be my last day working for HP. > > While I will miss OpenVMS Engineering and the many fine people I've > met here, for me > this was the right thing at the right time. I could see no reason NOT > to take EERP. > > Meanwhile, I'm not dropping off the end of the Earth! > I'll be around. I'll try to monitor this newsgroup from time to time. > My HP email should work through the end of May -- Charles dot Hammond > at HP dot com > My peronal email shoudl work for the indefinite future -- > Charles Hammond at Net Zero dot com. > ***NO SPACE between my first and last name ** NO SPACE between NET and > ZERO. > > I might even try to fix some DCL_CHECK issues! > > I would like to find some full or part time work related to OpenVMS > for the next five > years or so. Either as an employee or as a contractor. > My wife needs to work that long to be fully vested in all the > retirement > benefits from her company. And some $$$ income woudl be nice, > too! ;-) > > If you know of any OpenVMS jobs in the South Florida area, please let > me know or > pass my name and email on to them. ("South Florida" means the general > area of > Palm Beach and Broward (Fort Lauderdale) counties.) All suggestions > welcome. > hanks in adance. Wish you all the best Charlie. Dave... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:14:19 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: EERP - Retirement Message-ID: On Mon, 07 May 2007 06:33:12 -0700, Charlie wrote: > Since moving to a home office last August, I haven't been around this > newsgroup much. > I probably won't be around much in the future either -- because I have > been accepted > into HP's 200l Enhanced Early Retirmenet Program (EERP). > May 31st, 2007, will be my last day working for HP. > > While I will miss OpenVMS Engineering and the many fine people I've > met here, for me > this was the right thing at the right time. I could see no reason NOT > to take EERP. > > Meanwhile, I'm not dropping off the end of the Earth! > I'll be around. I'll try to monitor this newsgroup from time to time. > My HP email should work through the end of May -- Charles dot Hammond > at HP dot com > My peronal email shoudl work for the indefinite future -- > Charles Hammond at Net Zero dot com. > ***NO SPACE between my first and last name ** NO SPACE between NET and > ZERO. > > I might even try to fix some DCL_CHECK issues! > > I would like to find some full or part time work related to OpenVMS > for the next five > years or so. Either as an employee or as a contractor. > My wife needs to work that long to be fully vested in all the > retirement > benefits from her company. And some $$$ income woudl be nice, > too! ;-) Do you know PL/I? Is Cape Canaveral too far? > > If you know of any OpenVMS jobs in the South Florida area, please let > me know or > pass my name and email on to them. ("South Florida" means the general > area of > Palm Beach and Broward (Fort Lauderdale) counties.) All suggestions > welcome. > hanks in adance. > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 08:19:02 -0700 From: jhjr4381 Subject: installing resident images - problem Message-ID: <1178551142.124454.120720@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> I am getting errors trying to install resident images at startup. I'm on an Alpha V8.2 and trying to execute the RMONSTART72.com to start up Oracle Rdb (v7.2). Other com files preceding it are successful, but this fails with the folloing error(s): %INSTALL-I-NONRES, image installed ignoring '/RESIDENT' > DISK$ALPHASYS:DBMSHR72.EXE > -INSTALL-E-NOGHREG, insufficient memory in the code or data granularity hint region > VMS gives me the following on the error: Explanation: An image was installed using the /RESIDENT qualifier, but the code or data granularity hint region does not have enough memory for the image's code or read-only data sections. User Action: Consider adjusting the granularity hint region SYSGEN parameters: GH_EXEC_CODE, GH_EXEC_DATA, GH_RES_CODE,GH_RES_DATA, and GH_RSRVPGCNT. However, no amount of changes I make in the above parameters seem to help the problem. The application I am using expects the image to be resident, so even though it's installed, it still won't run. Any suggestions? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:36:41 -0400 From: "Jilly" Subject: Re: installing resident images - problem Message-ID: <463f54bf$0$20103$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com> "jhjr4381" wrote in message news:1178551142.124454.120720@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >I am getting errors trying to install resident images at startup. I'm > on an Alpha V8.2 and trying to execute the RMONSTART72.com to start up > Oracle Rdb (v7.2). Other com files preceding it are successful, but > this fails with the folloing error(s): > > %INSTALL-I-NONRES, image installed ignoring '/RESIDENT' >> DISK$ALPHASYS:DBMSHR72.EXE >> -INSTALL-E-NOGHREG, insufficient memory in the code or data granularity >> hint region >> > VMS gives me the following on the error: > Explanation: An image was installed using the /RESIDENT qualifier, > but the code or data granularity hint region does not have enough > memory for the image's code or read-only data sections. > > User Action: Consider adjusting the granularity hint region SYSGEN > parameters: GH_EXEC_CODE, GH_EXEC_DATA, GH_RES_CODE,GH_RES_DATA, and > GH_RSRVPGCNT. > > However, no amount of changes I make in the above parameters seem to > help the problem. The application I am using expects the image to be > resident, so even though it's installed, it still won't run. > Any suggestions? > Post the SHOW MEM/GH output. Also did you set up the system to keep some GH pages around after startup? Startup normally releases all unused GH pages when it exits and if you want to have some free for installing images later then you have to configure SYSGEN for them. See the SYSGEN GH parameters. Jilly ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 07:32:17 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: List of VMS command file .COM domain names (was: Free email account VMSUSER. Message-ID: In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: > > Also since the GNV root directory links to the top of the disk > both VMS commands and recursive unix commands in bash should guard against > recursively looping through the contents of that particular directory. > This latter effect is an artifact of the way the GNV environment is setup > rather than being a "Unix feature" - without GNV the VMS system disk has links > from [sysn.syscommon] to [vms$common] but does not have any links back again > from within [vms$common] and hence does not suffer from pathological recursion. > With GNV installed the system disk suffers from pathological recursion. > The recursive setup I think needs to be reworked. The rest of it is using features of the filesystem which is independent of whether your using bash or DCL or something else and I think should remain independent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:38:44 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: List of VMS command file .COM domain names (was: Free email account VMSUSER. Message-ID: In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes: >> >> Also since the GNV root directory links to the top of the disk >> both VMS commands and recursive unix commands in bash should guard against >> recursively looping through the contents of that particular directory. >> This latter effect is an artifact of the way the GNV environment is setup >> rather than being a "Unix feature" - without GNV the VMS system disk has links >> from [sysn.syscommon] to [vms$common] but does not have any links back again >> from within [vms$common] and hence does not suffer from pathological recursion. >> With GNV installed the system disk suffers from pathological recursion. >> > > The recursive setup I think needs to be reworked. The rest of it is > using features of the filesystem which is independent of whether > your using bash or DCL or something else and I think should remain > independent. > Upgrades to VMS have always tried as much as possible to preserve backwards compatibility. Having, for instance, DCL commands traverse disks because GNV has mounted them in a mnt directory is unexpected behaviour. Hence such artifacts of GNV need to be integrated into DCL by the addition of qualifiers to control such behaviour and the defaults for those qualifiers should be to preserve the previously expected behaviour ie in this instance not to traverse disks. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:12:39 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: OT: Favorite movies of the VMS crowd? Message-ID: "Sue" wrote in message news:1178375057.819280.262210@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > Your right I forgot the Star Trek series actually I started with VMS > themes and then got carried away, which there is in most of them, but > you will have to figure it out. > The Star Trek (I) series was during the PDP-11 era. Trivia - what was printed on the cover of that little RSX11M command guide, and how did it connect to Start Trek? ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 09:33:44 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: SET CONF SMTP/QUEUES Message-ID: <1178555624.221830.158110@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 6, 5:14 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > SET > > CONFIGURATION > > SMTP > > /QUEUES > > /QUEUES=n > > Optional. Default: 1. > > Number of execution queues for the specified nodes. > > Use this qualifier only on nodes that own the SMTP queues - that > is, nodes not using clusterwide SMTP queues or managing SMTP > clusterwide queues for other nodes. > > Apart from the obvious question---what's the purpose of having a generic > queue with only 1 execution queue---does anyone have this set to a > number higher than 1? > We had the queue count set to 2 or 3 when we used a MicroVAX 3100-30 as a central mail server. It was especially important before the address checking added in TCPIP V5.4 (at that point we had moved to Alpha) because the queues were constantly being tied up delivering bouncebacks from backscatter spam. Sometimes _real_ messages would take 20-30 minutes to get out unless I or another manager had time to clean out the obvious crap caused by an incoming spamflood from the queues. Sorry, no info on your other question but I doubt increasing the queue count would have any effect. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:45:27 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Slightly OT:DS10L and router compatibility Message-ID: "Gremlin" writes: >Many thanks for everyone's suggestions. It appears that an unlikely >combination of suggestions has partially worked - and I don't know why. What happens if you telnet to port 80 when the DS10L is set up to be the webserver from outside? From another system on the LAN? If it works, you'll see nothing when a successful connection is made, type something and hit return once or twice and you should get an error message as text, unless you typed a valid HTTP command. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:58:27 +0200 From: Martin Krischik Subject: Re: SSH Keys for a heterogeneous Environment Message-ID: <463f0654$1@news.post.ch> Richard E. Silverman schrieb: > Use the -e option: > > -e file Edit the comment/passphrase of the key. Sure I tried that. But all I get is :-( : ------------------------------- 0F::USER_DISK5:[KRISCHIKM.SSH2]>ssh_keygen -e VMS_DSA Passphrase : eded for key "2048-bit dsa, krischikm@gdc00f.post.ch, Thu Mar 15 2007 09:44:37". Do you want to edit key "2048-bit dsa, krischikm@gdc00f.post.ch, Thu Mar 15 2007 09:44:37" You have no controlling tty. Cannot read confirmation. Key unedited and unsaved. ------------------------------- I guess this is a VMS problem really. Martin >> Richard E. Silverman schrieb: >>>>>>>> "MK" == Martin Krischik writes: >>> MK> 3) And now the ultimate question: Is there a tool which can >>> MK> convert keys? Thanks to c.o.vms I now know that ssh-keygen is >>> MK> supposed to be able to do this. But hey, look at this: >>> MK> ------------------------------------------- >>> >> ssh-keygen -i -f vms_dsa >>> MK> unsupported cipher 3des-cbc decode blob failed. >>> MK> ------------------------------------------- >>> MK> It seems that ssh-keygen is a bit limited in it's abilities. >>> The input key must be unencrypted; this is mentioned in the man page. >> Easier said then done. The shh-keygen used to generate the key does not >> have a decrypt option: >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> ssh_keygen -h >> Usage: ssh_keygen [options] [key1 key2 ...] >> >> Where `options' are: >> -b nnn Specify key strength in bits (e.g. 1024) >> -t dsa | rsa Choose the key type. >> -c comment Provide the comment. >> -e file Edit the comment/passphrase of the key. >> -p passphrase Provide passphrase. >> -P Assume empty passphrase. >> -? >> -h Print this help text. >> -q Suppress the progress indicator. >> -1 Convert a SSH 1.x key. >> -i file Load and display information on `file'. >> -D file Derive the public key from the private key 'file'. >> -B number The number base for displaying key information (default >> 10). >> -V Print version number of tcpip$ssh_ssh-keygen2.exe image. >> -r file Stir data from file to random pool. >> -x file Convert private key from X.509 format to SSH2 format. >> -k file Convert a PKCS 12 file to an SSH2 format certificate >> and private key. >> -7 file Extract certificates from a PKCS 7 file. >> -F file Dump fingerprint of file. > ------------------------------------------- > > > Martin > -- Martin Krischik ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:03:27 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: SSH Keys for a heterogeneous Environment Message-ID: <07050708032725_202002DA@antinode.org> From: Martin Krischik > Richard E. Silverman schrieb: > > Use the -e option: > > > > -e file Edit the comment/passphrase of the key. > > Sure I tried that. But all I get is :-( : > > [...] > Do you want to edit key "2048-bit dsa, krischikm@gdc00f.post.ch, Thu Mar > 15 2007 09:44:37" You have no controlling tty. Cannot read > confirmation. > Key unedited and unsaved. > ------------------------------- > > I guess this is a VMS problem really. http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=1109422 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:26:49 -0400 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <463f007f$0$16384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "David J Dachtera" wrote in message news:463E4060.B12DCEB2@spam.comcast.net... > Neil Rieck wrote: [...snip...] > > Pushing UX, as evidenced by comments to me from executive-level management > of > multiple ISVs. > > David J Dachtera > So if management doesn't care about OpenVMS, maybe they should transfer it to public domain. (from our point of view this seemed to work for Mozilla etc.) NSR -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:32:01 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: In article <1178465846.324045.104570@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Rambo writes: >> Yikes. So let me get this straight: In the Compaq days an enthusiast program >> existed to allow people to buy Tru64 for US$99 but there isn't an equivalent >> program today for HP-UX ? What are they thinking? > >But think of that: Tru64 for 0 and VMS for 30 bucks. Really nice >alternative... > What do you mean Tru64 for 0 and VMS for 30 bucks ? As noted above the TRU64 enthusiasts program cost $99 see http://www.hoise.com/primeur/99/articles/weekly/UH-PR-12-99-2.html Whereas the VMS hobbyist program cost nothing. (only if you couldn't scrounge the media from somewhere did the VMS hobbyist CD cost $30. Though I admit it is a pity that HP and Montagar could not find a way of making the media available on the internet for hobbyist download) David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >As a side note, I'm becoming increasingly pissed off at HP support >too. >Took me hour to seek X11 headers and had to order 2 useless things >(luckilly >for free), before I found out by simple search in software depot by >"X11 header >files"- that there's just a package with that. > >I will not mourn when HP will loose server market share, just as I >haven't >mourned SGI loosing visualization and 3D market share (and they both >don't >acknowledge the "enthusiasts" community, Sun, however, apparently >does). > >Rambo > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:38:39 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: In article <463e0e0b$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?windows-1252?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: >Neil Rieck wrote: >> Yikes. So let me get this straight: In the Compaq days an enthusiast >> program existed to allow people to buy Tru64 for US$99 but there isn't >> an equivalent program today for HP-UX ? What are they thinking? > >That people will move to Linux ... > Or Solaris David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >Arne ------------------------------ Date: 7 May 2007 12:09:39 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <5a8j83F2o3c1tU1@mid.individual.net> In article <463f007f$0$16384$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Neil Rieck" writes: > > "David J Dachtera" wrote in message > news:463E4060.B12DCEB2@spam.comcast.net... >> Neil Rieck wrote: > [...snip...] >> >> Pushing UX, as evidenced by comments to me from executive-level management >> of >> multiple ISVs. >> >> David J Dachtera >> > > So if management doesn't care about OpenVMS, maybe they should transfer it > to public domain. (from our point of view this seemed to work for Mozilla > etc.) What possible incentive wold they have to do that? It wold cost them a fortune (every line of code would have to be checked and its true ownership verified to the satisfaction of a room full of lawyers) and it would bring them nothing. Much easier (and safer) to just let it die. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.250 ************************