INFO-VAX Fri, 20 Apr 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 216 Contents: Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory RE: Advanced Server and Active Directory Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory RE: Advanced Server and Active Directory Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? RE: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Re: Dead clock, NTP and 1000 seconds Re: Dead clock, NTP and 1000 seconds DLT Operate Handle warning Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Re: DLT Operate Handle warning FREE DS10L Re: FREE DS10L Re: FREE DS10L Re: FREE DS10L Re: FREE DS10L Re: FREE DS10L Re: FREE DS10L Re: IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN - FREE DS10L OFFER Re: IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN - FREE DS10L OFFER map command line start of line and end of line Re: map command line start of line and end of line Re: map command line start of line and end of line Re: map command line start of line and end of line Re: map command line start of line and end of line Re: map command line start of line and end of line RE: Netbackup 5 VMS Client and the VMS backup image switch. Old VMS games Re: Old VMS games Re: Old VMS games Upgrading firmware on MSA1500 Re: Upgrading firmware on MSA1500 Re: Upgrading firmware on MSA1500 [OpenVMS V8.3] AUTOGEN Re: [OpenVMS V8.3] AUTOGEN Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status fot Itanium? [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:49:04 -0500 From: John Subject: Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory Message-ID: <4628B6C0.2020702@tx.rr.com> Main, Kerry wrote: >>I am looking to install Advanced Server V7.3-B (or whatever is the >>latest version) and integrate into an Active Directory. >> >>Any suggestions as to how far should I integrate the Advanced Server >>into the Active Directory - keep it seperate, make it a part, etc.? >> >> >What is it that you are trying to do? >- share files or share user authentication or ?? > > We allow employees to map their VMS directories to their PC - sharing files. We do not have user accounts (except for those that need to manage Advanced Server). We have trusts between a couple NT-4 Domain Servers and use that authentication to grant users access to the shares. Since they (NT group) is upgrading to Active Directory and I am upgrading to Advanced Server V7.3-B I was wondering if I should make it a part of the Active Directory or keep it apart from (seperate domain) and continue the trusts. > <>If it is user authentication integration, then you might want to > consider the following product from Process Software: > http://www.process.com/VMSauth/index.html > <>>From the data sheet on the above page: > " * Works with any LDAP v3 compliant server including Microsoft Active > Directory and OpenLDAP" We do not authenticate users - so this will not apply. john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:11:54 GMT From: "Terry Aardema" Subject: Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:18:22 -0600, John wrote: > I am looking to install Advanced Server V7.3-B (or whatever is the > latest version) and integrate into an Active Directory. > Any suggestions as to how far should I integrate the Advanced Server > into the Active Directory - keep it seperate, make it a part, etc.? Advanced Server can either be a member server in the Active Directory domain, or you can create your own seperate (NT4 style, non-AD) domain and have the AD domain trust your domain that has the Advanced Server (PDC/BDC/Member) nodes. Specifically, you can NOT have the Advanced Server node(s) as Domain Controllers in an Active Directory domain. I have run our Advanced Server machines here at work both as BDC's in our own NT4 domain that was trusted by the Departments AD domain, and currently as member servers in the Departments AD domain; both schemes have their advantages, but overall, the member server approach is easier to manage. -- Terry Aardema ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:30:07 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Advanced Server and Active Directory Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:norad869@tx.rr.com] > Sent: April 20, 2007 8:49 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: >=20 > >>I am looking to install Advanced Server V7.3-B (or whatever is the > >>latest version) and integrate into an Active Directory. > >> > >>Any suggestions as to how far should I integrate the Advanced Server > >>into the Active Directory - keep it seperate, make it a part, etc.? > >> > >> > >What is it that you are trying to do? > >- share files or share user authentication or ?? > > > > > We allow employees to map their VMS directories to their PC - sharing > files. > We do not have user accounts (except for those that need to manage > Advanced Server). > We have trusts between a couple NT-4 Domain Servers and use that > authentication to grant users access to the shares. > Since they (NT group) is upgrading to Active Directory and I am > upgrading to Advanced Server V7.3-B I was wondering if I should make > it > a part of the Active Directory or keep it apart from (seperate domain) > and continue the trusts. >=20 > > <>If it is user authentication integration, then you might want to > > consider the following product from Process Software: > > http://www.process.com/VMSauth/index.html >=20 > > <>>From the data sheet on the above page: > > " * Works with any LDAP v3 compliant server including Microsoft > Active > > Directory and OpenLDAP" >=20 > We do not authenticate users - so this will not apply. > john The following links may be of interest: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/asovmsnew.html http://h71000.www7.hp.com/pathworks/advancedserver.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:33:05 GMT From: "Jerry Alan Braga" Subject: Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory Message-ID: what about the ldap from openvms 8.3? does it do the same for authentication without required pathworks to be fully running. "Main, Kerry" wrote in message news:FA60F2C4B72A584DBFC6091F6A2B8684022B9BAC@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net... > -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:norad869@tx.rr.com] > Sent: April 19, 2007 7:18 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Advanced Server and Active Directory > > I am looking to install Advanced Server V7.3-B (or whatever is the > latest version) and integrate into an Active Directory. > > Any suggestions as to how far should I integrate the Advanced Server > into the Active Directory - keep it seperate, make it a part, etc.? > What is it that you are trying to do? - share files or share user authentication or ?? If it is user authentication integration, then you might want to consider the following product from Process Software: http://www.process.com/VMSauth/index.html From the data sheet on the above page: " * Works with any LDAP v3 compliant server including Microsoft Active Directory and OpenLDAP" Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:11:40 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Advanced Server and Active Directory Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Alan Braga [mailto:jerry.braga@hotmail.com] > Sent: April 20, 2007 11:33 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Advanced Server and Active Directory >=20 > what about the ldap from openvms 8.3? does it do the same for > authentication > without required pathworks to be fully running. >=20 [snip...] Not sure, but this link may be of interest: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/security.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:45:15 -0400 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Message-ID: Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:18:57 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>> I believe the first use of ref counts was in a paper by >>>> Freiburghouse on >>>> the Multics PL/I compiler, ca. 1967. Of course, it didn't have many >>>> leaks :-) >>> >>> If it only uses reference counting it will be definition >>> have memory leaks. >> >> You have a different paradigm in mind, I will find link and post it. >> This was for a compiler, not interpreter so different rules. When >> refernece count drops to 0 memory is freed > > Yes. > > But what does it do when object A point to object B and object B > points to object A, but nothing else point to A and B ? > > Arne If nothing points to A or B than both A and B are considered free and should be garbage collected. Otherwise the garbage collection algorithm should be building a map of referenced items and detect the loop. Depending on the needs of the application, the loop would either tell the garbage collector that it should stop the current link thread or it would tell the garbage collector that there is a problem in the link structure. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 08:24:03 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: RE: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Message-ID: In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: > > Some might say it was the nature of OO which makes it more difficult to = > design truly scalable, system specific optimized code, some might say it = > was all the various tiers and associated network latencies (SAP now = > recommends tier consolidation putting App tier on same server as DB = > tier) or perhaps it is at least partly do to with "stuff" running in the = > background doing things that a well designed app environment would not = > need to do. > > Both .Net and J2EE are OO based strategies and there is a lot of market = > momentum to adopt one or both of these, but I am not convinced that OO = > strategies are the best ones to adopt for very scalable, very mission = > critical systems. I have no problem with the idea of using OO to do mission critical systems. We do it all the time. But for determininsic systems we do not use languages that depend on a GC. Many mission critical systems do not need to be highly determininistic. Simply procesing 24 hours data in 20 minutes easily meats all thier performance requirments, even if things get held off by large fractions of a second, such as during a VMScluster transition. For these the occaisional delay for GC is not an issue and other strengths of the language may be dominant. And scalability is not an issue if I can simply put it on any size VMScluster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:15:20 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:50:21 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:18:57 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>> I believe the first use of ref counts was in a paper by Freiburghouse >>>> on >>>> the Multics PL/I compiler, ca. 1967. Of course, it didn't have many >>>> leaks :-) >>> >>> If it only uses reference counting it will be definition >>> have memory leaks. >> You have a different paradigm in mind, I will find link and post it. >> This was for a compiler, not interpreter so different rules. When >> refernece count drops to 0 memory is freed > > Yes. > > But what does it do when object A point to object B and object B > points to object A, but nothing else point to A and B ? Then it is a bug because it is a disconnected graph. I think we may be talking about different things, and that may be my fault, I was referring to the first use of reference counts as a means of freeing intermediate values generated by a compiler. > > Arne -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:50:20 -0400 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: C++ Garbage Collector on VMS? Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:50:21 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > >> Tom Linden wrote: >>> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:18:57 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>>> I believe the first use of ref counts was in a paper by >>>>> Freiburghouse on >>>>> the Multics PL/I compiler, ca. 1967. Of course, it didn't have many >>>>> leaks :-) >>>> >>>> If it only uses reference counting it will be definition >>>> have memory leaks. >>> You have a different paradigm in mind, I will find link and post it. >>> This was for a compiler, not interpreter so different rules. When >>> refernece count drops to 0 memory is freed >> >> Yes. >> >> But what does it do when object A point to object B and object B >> points to object A, but nothing else point to A and B ? > > Then it is a bug because it is a disconnected graph. I think we may be Not necessarily a bug. Allowing recursion can result in such loops which need to be identified during GC. Also, when you have the following list references: (please excuse the crude pointer designations) A1 -> b1 -> b2 -> b3 -> .......-> bnn A2 -> b1 -> b2 -> b3 -> .......-> bnn A3 -> b25 -> b26 ... -> bnn In such a case, using reference counters can result in substantial resource utilization during normal processing, possibly exacerbated (finally got a chance to use the word) by a system environment performing disk swapping. A single GC would be more efficient than multiple refcount checks. > talking > about different things, and that may be my fault, I was referring to > the first > use of reference counts as a means of freeing intermediate values > generated by a > compiler. >> >> Arne > > > > --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 08:26:36 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Dead clock, NTP and 1000 seconds Message-ID: In article , Rick Jones writes: > I'm not sure if it is possible in VMS, but on some OSes at least, at > bootup they can be told to get time from the timeserver via ntpdate, > which IIRC is not subject to the limits. Then the ntp daemon is > started and so long as it can keep things in bounds, happiness and > joy... > All things are possible in VMS. What your IP stack will do for this depends on which one you bought. Large transitions, however, can reak havoc with accounting and audit records, and will cause issues for those of us living with 1 year hobbyist licenses. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 09:18:53 -0700 From: Rambo Subject: Re: Dead clock, NTP and 1000 seconds Message-ID: <1177085933.226028.92060@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Apr 20, 12:48 am, Rick Jones wrote: > I'm not sure if it is possible in VMS, but on some OSes at least, at > bootup they can be told to get time from the timeserver via ntpdate, > which IIRC is not subject to the limits. Correct: tcpip$ntpdate :), and I did that: disabled ntp daemon. The slew is so insignificant that during a few hour run of my Jensen lags just a few miliseconds. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 05:43:39 -0700 From: AEF Subject: DLT Operate Handle warning Message-ID: <1177073019.468499.156960@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> So what happens if you operate the handle without the green light? (Just curious. I don't plan to do it.) AEF ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 08:36:38 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Message-ID: In article <1177073019.468499.156960@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > So what happens if you operate the handle without the green light? > (Just curious. I don't plan to do it.) I don't know what your model does, but on older DLT the handle was locked unless the lights said otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:01:34 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Message-ID: In article <1177073019.468499.156960@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, AEF wrote: > So what happens if you operate the handle without the green light? > (Just curious. I don't plan to do it.) > You feel the kind of resistance which tells you that if you force it, something will break. I've never dared go beyond that point myself. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 07:07:21 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Message-ID: <1177078041.700060.272390@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 20, 10:01 am, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article <1177073019.468499.156...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > > AEF wrote: > > So what happens if you operate the handle without the green light? > > (Just curious. I don't plan to do it.) > > You feel the kind of resistance which tells you that if you force it, > something will break. I've never dared go beyond that point myself. > > -- > Paul Sture Thanks Paul and Bob. That's good to hear. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:29:15 -0400 From: "Richard B. gilbert" Subject: Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Message-ID: <4628CE3B.3040808@comcast.net> AEF wrote: > So what happens if you operate the handle without the green light? > (Just curious. I don't plan to do it.) > > AEF > You should not be able to operate the handle if the green light is not lit! If you force it, you will break something; something expensive! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:21:15 -0700 From: "Malcolm Dunnett" Subject: Re: DLT Operate Handle warning Message-ID: <4628f622$1@flight> "AEF" wrote in message news:1177073019.468499.156960@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > So what happens if you operate the handle without the green light? > (Just curious. I don't plan to do it.) Either a.) nothing or b.) you break the drive depending on how hard you pull the handle. There's a lockout mechanism so that you can lift the handle when the green lights not on. Of course you can defeat it by pulling hard enough, but that's not likely to do much for the longevity of the drive or the tape. If you did manage to open the handle when the light wasn't on you'd find the tape wasn't rewound into the cartridge and the leader was not hooked onto its retaining pin. At the very lest you'd have to disassemble the drive to remove the tape and re-attach the leader and the tape cartridge would be a write-off. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:50:40 -0500 From: John Subject: FREE DS10L Message-ID: <4628B720.7020808@tx.rr.com> norad869@tx.rr.com 972-371-4172 John Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:11:40 -0400 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Message-ID: John wrote: > norad869@tx.rr.com > 972-371-4172 > John Brandon > Assuming you expect the receiver to pick it up or pay for shipping, you really need to give the location of the machine. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:27:58 -0500 From: Dan Foster Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Message-ID: In article , sol gongola wrote: > John wrote: >> norad869@tx.rr.com >> 972-371-4172 >> John Brandon >> > Assuming you expect the receiver to pick it up or pay for shipping, > you really need to give the location of the machine. Iff the machine is in the same area as he is, it's in Dallas, Texas: http://www.telcodata.us/telcodata/telco?npa=972&exchange=371 That's a very generous offer, John; I know whomever takes you up on it will be thrilled. -Dan ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 13:48:07 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Message-ID: <58ruknF2ha4vlU1@mid.individual.net> In article <4628B720.7020808@tx.rr.com>, John writes: > norad869@tx.rr.com > 972-371-4172 > John Brandon Somehow, I don't think sending it to the whole world was what Dave had in mind. And I doubt that will get you into the drawing. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 13:49:01 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Message-ID: <58rumdF2ha4vlU2@mid.individual.net> In article , sol gongola writes: > John wrote: >> norad869@tx.rr.com >> 972-371-4172 >> John Brandon >> > Assuming you expect the receiver to pick it up or pay for shipping, > you really need to give the location of the machine. He is not giveing one, he is hoping to win one. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:50:59 -0500 From: Dan Foster Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Message-ID: In article <58rumdF2ha4vlU2@mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article , > sol gongola writes: >> John wrote: >>> norad869@tx.rr.com >>> 972-371-4172 >>> John Brandon >>> >> Assuming you expect the receiver to pick it up or pay for shipping, >> you really need to give the location of the machine. > > He is not giveing one, he is hoping to win one. :-) Ahhhhhhh, I misread. Back to Literacy 101 for me. :-) *fumbles for morning coffee* Yes, Mr. Turner's offer is a generous one, indeed. -Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:37:13 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: FREE DS10L Message-ID: In article <58rumdF2ha4vlU2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > sol gongola writes: > > John wrote: > >> norad869@tx.rr.com > >> 972-371-4172 > >> John Brandon > >> > > Assuming you expect the receiver to pick it up or pay for shipping, > > you really need to give the location of the machine. > > He is not giveing one, he is hoping to win one. :-) > > bill In which case he should send an e-mail to David Turner, rather than posting here :-) -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:04:02 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN - FREE DS10L OFFER Message-ID: <132hsjva1lcvhaf@news.supernews.com> Like the homicidal Panda "Eats Shoots and leaves" wrote in message news:OFC15BE405.8AA2C9CB-ON852572C2.0077B426-852572C2.0077CE8A@metso.com... > > > > AEF wrote on 04/19/2007 03:21:59 PM: > >> On Apr 19, 2:35 pm, "David Turner, Island Computers" > islandco.com> wrote: >> > SEND US YR EMAIL ADDRESS, TEL# AND >> > NAME OF COURSE IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY >> >> Name of course? Say what? > > Well, that's why punctuation was invented. > > "...NAME, OF COURSE, IF...." ;-) > >> >> > >> > SUBJECT LINE MUST STATE: FREE DS10L >> > >> > -- >> > David B Turner >> [...] >> >> AEF >> > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 04:15:28 +0930 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN - FREE DS10L OFFER Message-ID: <132hv838nmlodc6@corp.supernews.com> David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Like the homicidal Panda "Eats Shoots and leaves" Or like a bloke I used to work with whose nick-name was Wombat; "eats roots, shoots and leaves" And for those who may be less than full-bottle on Australian wildlife: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wombat Or not full-bottle on Anglo-Australian slang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_English_vocabulary#Sport http://www.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html#R And to keep it on-topic: What would be the shipping for a DS10L to .au and what does it offer my AU$100 PWS500au doesn't? [both rhetorical :-] -- Odium theologicum ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odium_theologicum > wrote in message > news:OFC15BE405.8AA2C9CB-ON852572C2.0077B426-852572C2.0077CE8A@metso.com... > >> >> >>AEF wrote on 04/19/2007 03:21:59 PM: >> >> >>>On Apr 19, 2:35 pm, "David Turner, Island Computers" >>islandco.com> wrote: >>> >>>>SEND US YR EMAIL ADDRESS, TEL# AND >>>>NAME OF COURSE IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY >>> >>>Name of course? Say what? >> >>Well, that's why punctuation was invented. >> >>"...NAME, OF COURSE, IF...." ;-) >> >> >>>>SUBJECT LINE MUST STATE: FREE DS10L >>>> >>>>-- >>>>David B Turner >>> >>>[...] >>> >>>AEF >>> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 05:46:54 -0700 From: john coltrane Subject: map command line start of line and end of line Message-ID: <1177073214.843256.166840@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Is there a way to remap the key strokes used for going to the begining or end of a commandline. In other words can I change Ctrl-E with Ctrl-end? this might seem like a silly request but due to a problem/ configuration with my fingers the ctrl-e command is very difficult. I know that keys can be mapped to commands but I haven't a clue if there is a way to specify the start of a command line using "job/ define ...." thank for the help john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:08:33 -0400 From: sol gongola Subject: Re: map command line start of line and end of line Message-ID: <0Y2Wh.9$lm5.3@newsfe12.lga> john coltrane wrote: > Is there a way to remap the key strokes used for going to the begining > or end of a commandline. > In other words can I change Ctrl-E with Ctrl-end? > > this might seem like a silly request but due to a problem/ > configuration with my fingers the ctrl-e command is very difficult. > > I know that keys can be mapped to commands but I haven't a clue if > there is a way to specify the start of a command line using "job/ > define ...." > > thank for the help > john > I don't know about vms but some terminal emulators let you remap the functionality of various special keys so that they output desired character codes. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 06:33:19 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: map command line start of line and end of line Message-ID: <1177075999.655691.280190@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 20, 8:46 am, john coltrane wrote: > Is there a way to remap the key strokes used for going to the begining > or end of a commandline. > In other words can I change Ctrl-E with Ctrl-end? > > this might seem like a silly request but due to a problem/ > configuration with my fingers the ctrl-e command is very difficult. > > I know that keys can be mapped to commands but I haven't a clue if > there is a way to specify the start of a command line using "job/ > define ...." > > thank for the help > john Well, since you said "Ctrl-end" I assume you're using a PC with a terminal emulator. I think your best bet is to redefine the key with your terminal emulator. I know that SmarTerm can do it. AEF ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 08:39:28 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: map command line start of line and end of line Message-ID: In article <1177073214.843256.166840@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, john coltrane writes: > Is there a way to remap the key strokes used for going to the begining > or end of a commandline. > In other words can I change Ctrl-E with Ctrl-end? > > this might seem like a silly request but due to a problem/ > configuration with my fingers the ctrl-e command is very difficult. > > I know that keys can be mapped to commands but I haven't a clue if > there is a way to specify the start of a command line using "job/ > define ...." job/define? I think you're confusing define/key with define/job. In any case, I think you can only do this particular change via settings in your terminal emulator, if at all. I tried real hard once to define/key control-z in DCL and got nowhere. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 09:04:34 -0700 From: john coltrane Subject: Re: map command line start of line and end of line Message-ID: <1177085074.607566.52180@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 20, 9:39 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <1177073214.843256.166...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, john coltrane writes: > > > Is there a way to remap the key strokes used for going to the begining > > or end of a commandline. > > In other words can I change Ctrl-E with Ctrl-end? > > > this might seem like a silly request but due to a problem/ > > configuration with my fingers the ctrl-e command is very difficult. > > > I know that keys can be mapped to commands but I haven't a clue if > > there is a way to specify the start of a command line using "job/ > > define ...." > > job/define? I think you're confusing define/key with define/job. > > In any case, I think you can only do this particular change via > settings in your terminal emulator, if at all. I tried real hard > once to define/key control-z in DCL and got nowhere. thanks all, I'm off to trash my emulator :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:05:02 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: map command line start of line and end of line Message-ID: <00A666D4.F8DA3559@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <1177085074.607566.52180@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, john coltrane writes: > > >On Apr 20, 9:39 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob >Koehler) wrote: >> In article <1177073214.843256.166...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, john coltrane writes: >> >> > Is there a way to remap the key strokes used for going to the begining >> > or end of a commandline. >> > In other words can I change Ctrl-E with Ctrl-end? >> >> > this might seem like a silly request but due to a problem/ >> > configuration with my fingers the ctrl-e command is very difficult. >> >> > I know that keys can be mapped to commands but I haven't a clue if >> > there is a way to specify the start of a command line using "job/ >> > define ...." >> >> job/define? I think you're confusing define/key with define/job. >> >> In any case, I think you can only do this particular change via >> settings in your terminal emulator, if at all. I tried real hard >> once to define/key control-z in DCL and got nowhere. > >thanks all, I'm off to trash my emulator :) If you trash the whole PeeCee, you'll be a happier man. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:30:08 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Netbackup 5 VMS Client and the VMS backup image switch. Message-ID: -----Original Message----- > From: brucebrown100@yahoo.com [mailto:brucebrown100@yahoo.com] > Sent: April 18, 2007 1:55 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Netbackup 5 VMS Client and the VMS backup image switch. >=20 > Hello All >=20 > Can someone confirm something I wish to do using the NETBACKUP 5 VMS > client for netbackup backing up multiple VMS Drives on an EVA 8000 > SAN. We are currently using VMS 7.3.2 on a 2 node cluster. >=20 > "image'. In the context of VMS BACKUP it refers to the mode of backup > that results in a complete and functional copy of a disk volume. In > the context of NetBackup an "image" refers the collection of files > saved during a single NetBackup execution - these files are grouped > together in a NetBackup "image" >=20 > Currently we are using NETBACKUP VMS client to store files but not > taking an "image" of the drives. Without using the /image switch I > take it I am not storing a true image of the drive but only a file > set. >=20 > With the /image command using netbackup I am getting the following > additional information; volume initialization, system disk bootstrap, > ACL, etc etc.. >=20 > Am I correct in this assumption? >=20 > Thank You in advance. >=20 > Bruce Brown Btw, the new NetBackup V6 client is also available for OpenVMS as well. http://tinyurl.com/324fg4 or http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/support/downloads.jsp?pid=3D15145 (download)=20 ftp://ftp.emea.veritas.com/pub/support/Products/NetBackup_OpenVMS/nbu_v6 _0_vms_pdf.zip Extract on new features: The NetBackup 6.0 OpenVMS client release is now available for Alpha, HP Integrity (Itanium) and VAX systems. This release supports 6.0 UNIX and Windows master and media servers and includes the following new features and changes:-=20 - Support for OpenVMS HP Integrity (Itanium) Servers, including the backup and restore of a bootable EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface) OpenVMS I64 System Disk. - Support for the Daylight Savings Time. - Improved backup and restore performance with $QIO's that bypass the XFC (Extended File Cache) cache. - Efficient use of Process Quotas. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 19:19:21 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Old VMS games Message-ID: <46291239$1@news.langstoeger.at> Can some kind soul drop me a copy of QIX and SNAKE (or point me to a source) Many TIA -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:26:16 +0000 (UTC) From: "Lukas Th. Hey" Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: Hi there, In article <46291239$1@news.langstoeger.at>, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > Can some kind soul drop me a copy of QIX and SNAKE (or point me to a source) rumor has it that you'll find the desired software at: http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freewarev40/000000/ Enjoy! Lukas -- DECADENCE IS: USING A CORDLESS PHONE TO HOOK IT UP TO YOUR ACOUSTIC COUPLER ASK FOR FREE GPG/PGP KEY FOR FURTHER CORRESPONDENCE TO HAVE SIGNED EMAILS AT NO ADDITIONAL COSTS OR FETCH 0x06F586B1 FROM YOUR LOCAL PUBLIC PGP KEYSERVER ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 19:48:40 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Old VMS games Message-ID: <46291918$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , "Lukas Th. Hey" writes: >rumor has it that you'll find the desired software at: > > http://vms.tuwien.ac.at/freewarev40/000000/ It seems, that this is a copy of the VMS Freeware v4 collection which is also at the HP site. It contains a X11 game SNAKE4, but not that VT game I referred to, and (so far) no sign of QIX (also VT) either... Thanks anyway -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 00:28:25 -0700 From: "mb301@hotmail.com" Subject: Upgrading firmware on MSA1500 Message-ID: <1177054105.900717.55250@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Need to upgrade the firmware msa1500, on page 29 "msa1000/1500 firmware guide" it says Create a LUN on MSA, and assign a unque identifier to the LUN, (they don't give an example) $ mc sysgan sysman> io auto/log sysman> exit $ run sys$eyc:msa_util msa> show control/brief it then responses with use the set controller command, how you set show it without showing what it is? Example:- MSA> SHOW CONTROLLER/BRIEF A default controller is not set. All matching controllers displayed: Controller: $1$GGA400: <<<< where does this come from??? MSA1xxx (C) COMPAQ P56350B9IMX025 Software 3.36 http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c00683410/c00683410.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:52:43 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: Upgrading firmware on MSA1500 Message-ID: mb301@hotmail.com wrote: > Need to upgrade the firmware msa1500, on page 29 "msa1000/1500 > firmware guide" it says > > Create a LUN on MSA, and assign a unque identifier to the LUN, (they > don't give an example) I'm going from memory here, having gone through something similar 2 weeks ago ... On the MSA1500, you need to: MSA> set controller_id 400 (taking the number from below ...) Note, for VMS to pick up the LUN that this creates, the id needs to be numeric (my "mistake" was to have set this to a string). > $ mc sysgan > sysman> io auto/log > sysman> exit > > $ run sys$eyc:msa_util > msa> show control/brief > it then responses with use the set controller command, how you set > show it without showing what it is? > > Example:- > MSA> SHOW CONTROLLER/BRIEF > A default controller is not set. All matching controllers displayed: > Controller: $1$GGA400: <<<< where does this come from??? > MSA1xxx (C) COMPAQ P56350B9IMX025 Software 3.36 MSA> set controller $1$GGA400 The "400" comes from the controller_id (see above). This implies that you've already done the "set controller_id 400" above :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:02:07 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: Upgrading firmware on MSA1500 Message-ID: R.A.Omond wrote: > (apologies for replying to my own posting). > On the MSA1500, you need to: > > MSA> set controller_id 400 (taking the number from below ...) Correction - that should be: MSA> set THIS_controller_id 400 ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 14:52:03 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: [OpenVMS V8.3] AUTOGEN Message-ID: <4628d393$1@news.langstoeger.at> In OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 there was/is an annoyance with running AUTOGEN bringing a ****************** %AUTOGEN-W-REPORT, please read AUTOGEN warnings in SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT ****************** in addition to a %AUTOGEN-I-REPORT, AUTOGEN has produced some informational messages which have been stored in the file SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT. You may wich to review the information in that file while in the said SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT there is only a ** Note ** but no warning at all. Does anyone know if OpenVMS V8.3 has this fixed already? TIA -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:09:37 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: [OpenVMS V8.3] AUTOGEN Message-ID: In article <4628d393$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) wrote: > In OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 there was/is an annoyance with running AUTOGEN > bringing a > > ****************** > %AUTOGEN-W-REPORT, please read AUTOGEN warnings in > SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT > ****************** > > in addition to a > > %AUTOGEN-I-REPORT, AUTOGEN has produced some informational messages which > have been stored in the file SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT. You may > wich to review the information in that file > > while in the said SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT there is only a ** Note ** > but no warning at all. > > Does anyone know if OpenVMS V8.3 has this fixed already? > > TIA No. A brief look at AUTOGEN.COM shows that something like: -------- The following concerns were detected within MODPARAMS.DAT ** Note ** - Multiple MIN values found for MIN_GBLSECTIONS. Using MODPARAMS value (1000) which is superseding VMS value (600) -------- will define the logical name agen$warning_message as 1, and trigger the %AUTOGEN-W-REPORT message. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:21:41 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status fot Itanium? Message-ID: Changed Subject, curious if any activity there. On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:14:01 -0700, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > Does anybody know the current status of GNU C on OpenVMS? > > Is it considered useless (eg. because of the DEC C compiler quality)? > Is it matured (last version I know of was from folks at progis.de. > (about VMS V6 times) as I can't find it on the HP VMS freeware pages > and some more of the usual places (but I continue searching ;-) > > I was asked for GNU C (and GNU C++) for OpenVMS Alpha (V8.3) but have to > ask you now (and I don't know yet if DEC C/CXX would suffice for him). > > TIA > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 16:14:01 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? Message-ID: <4628e6c9$1@news.langstoeger.at> Does anybody know the current status of GNU C on OpenVMS? Is it considered useless (eg. because of the DEC C compiler quality)? Is it matured (last version I know of was from folks at progis.de. (about VMS V6 times) as I can't find it on the HP VMS freeware pages and some more of the usual places (but I continue searching ;-) I was asked for GNU C (and GNU C++) for OpenVMS Alpha (V8.3) but have to ask you now (and I don't know yet if DEC C/CXX would suffice for him). TIA -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:17:21 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:14:01 -0700, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > Does anybody know the current status of GNU C on OpenVMS? > > Is it considered useless (eg. because of the DEC C compiler quality)? > Is it matured (last version I know of was from folks at progis.de. > (about VMS V6 times) as I can't find it on the HP VMS freeware pages > and some more of the usual places (but I continue searching ;-) > > I was asked for GNU C (and GNU C++) for OpenVMS Alpha (V8.3) but have to > ask you now (and I don't know yet if DEC C/CXX would suffice for him). GNU C supports lexical scoping, if that is not used, then it is a simple port from one C compiler to another :-) (sarcasm intended) > > TIA > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 2007 10:53:09 -0500 From: wb8tyw@qsl.network (John E. Malmberg) Subject: Re: [OpenVMS] GNU C current status? Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:14:01 -0700, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > Does anybody know the current status of GNU C on OpenVMS? The VAX port is missing some of the sources needed to recreate the binaries, and to use it with current versions of VAX/VMS, I would recommend that you find the supplemental headers and examples I submitted to the DECUS library about 8 years ago. It shows how to link GCC/VAX against the DECC$SHR instead of VAXCRTL, and in most cases, you would really want to do that for correct program behavior. > Is it considered useless (eg. because of the DEC C compiler quality)? > Is it matured (last version I know of was from folks at progis.de. > (about VMS V6 times) as I can't find it on the HP VMS freeware pages > and some more of the usual places (but I continue searching ;-) The progis copy dissapeared, and I have not seen any posts from the person maintaining the VMS port for a while. I think that Richard Levitte had a backup of the progis site before the stuff went away. > I was asked for GNU C (and GNU C++) for OpenVMS Alpha (V8.3) but have to > ask you now (and I don't know yet if DEC C/CXX would suffice for him). GNU C supports some non-standard coding extensions, and the last time I looked, some key components of LINUX depended on them. Older GNU C did not diagnose some ANSI required warnings on purpose. GNU C is the basis of many special compilers and cross compilers. GNC C on VAX/VMS may support the "long long" type, but I am not sure of that. A port of the current GNU C to VAX probably would, but would also probably require a 64 bit helper library. For portable code, the current HP C / C++ compilers should be able to be used, and the current GNV (possibly with patches from the encompasserve.org ftp site in the GNV directory) can be used to build a lot of Open Source applications by translating the GCC command line to a DCL command. I would recommend looking at the ported routines in the above FTP site and using them as a guide. Especially pay attention to the _POSIX_EXIT and /MAIN=POSIX_EXIT if the resulting code has to return meaningfull exit status to either DCL/MMS/MMK, Bash, perl, make, or other programs. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.216 ************************