INFO-VAX Sun, 15 Apr 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 207 Contents: Digital lives: Mouse developped for VT220s ! OT: OpenVMS Re: OT: OpenVMS Re: OT: OpenVMS Re: OT: OpenVMS Problems with TCPIP startup on boot, was Re: Supported devices Re: Problems with TCPIP startup on boot, was Re: Supported devices Supported devices (NICs) and/or device autodiscovering Re: Supported devices (NICs) and/or device autodiscovering Re: Supported devices (NICs) and/or device autodiscovering ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:36:18 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Digital lives: Mouse developped for VT220s ! Message-ID: <50b92$46219de4$cef8887a$2197@TEKSAVVY.COM> Last night, I found a mouse next to my old DEC VT220 terminal. It was definitely a new one with wireless antenna in the back. And it was really small. Perhaps 2cm long (the wireless antenna was longer). It was grey, with a furry cover, and with two very small buttons in the front that looked like eyes. (I assume the middle button would be achieved by squeezing the mouse). This is proof that Digital is still alive and well, and continuing the development of the venerable VT220 product line. Imagine, a wireless mouse next to a VT terminal ! And talk about service/support, the mouse installed itself , all by itself, next to the Vt terminal without my having to lift a finger ! (*) I really should have taken a picture, it was really cute situation. And just like the Mona Lisa, this DECmouse seemed to always be looking at me whenever I moved :-) A work of art ! And this DECmouse is equipped with an incredible security measure: it runs away when you try to grab it. I assume the one delivered to my VT terminal had already been programmed for someone else's exclusive access. I finally managed to catch it and decided I should return it to where it came from :-) * ok, I left a window in basement opened for ventilation. P.S. No animals were harmed in the making of this post (although I am not responsible for what the neighbourhood cats might do to it). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:54:39 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: OT: OpenVMS Message-ID: <00A66246.6F8F0097@SendSpamHere.ORG> Isn't it? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:09:26 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: OT: OpenVMS Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Isn't it? If so, what of it? If you'd rather have a dead newsgroup than one with lively but often off-topic discussions, I'm sure that you can find large numbers of them to frequent. Meanwhile, others of us will continue to participate in this community, both on-topic and off-. If you'd like to increase the percentage of on-topic posts, you're of course free (and even encouraged) to post some. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:19:31 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: OpenVMS Message-ID: <43b97$462153a4$cef8887a$11946@TEKSAVVY.COM> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Isn't it? Yes it is. This is comp.os.vms, we don't talk about that rogue copy called openVMS. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:28:30 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: OpenVMS Message-ID: <46219BDE.8765EF0A@spam.comcast.net> VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > Isn't it? Recent experience seems to indicate that VMS is indeed off-topic in corporate planning sessions, budgeting processes, etc. Of recent, I've been communicating with Paul Thibodeau of ComputerWorld. I'm hoping my name doesn't make the front page again, but I'm hoping he'll be able to print something pointing out HP's favoring of UX and nixing of VMS in the I64 market. As dumb as it may sound, I'm hoping that if HP management can be made to understand that "threats" to drop VMS in the healthcare sector are anything but, that they'll put the whole "VMS customers' sabre-rattling" notion out of their heads once and for all. (Not likely, but even I can be optimistic from time to time.) That VMS will all but disappear in one of its existing niches is a virtual certainty with none of the major healthcare vendors planning to certify their software on OpenVMS-I64. ...which is itself rather dumb since both Oracle (Cerner) and InterSystems (MiSys, IDX, etc.) have ported their database software to OpenVMS-I64, nor have they any plans to do so. Granted that HP does not have a competitive hardware platform for the Enterprise market space: large configuration I64 machines (SuperDomes) still do not outperform similarly configured Alphas (GS1280s), and IBM's power outperforms Alpha by a considerable margin (near the 3:1 mark); the continued viability of VMS in that space is indeed questionable. Thus, I do not fault the vendors. Nor do I fault the customers who choose to migrate in order to satisfy the applications' insatiable hunger for CPU cycles, internal data path bandwidth, etc. The conclusion is obvious; so, I'll not state it here. ...but, yes, the unspoken conclusion does render VMS quite off-topic in the HIS sector. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2007 18:32:50 -0700 From: "Rambo" Subject: Problems with TCPIP startup on boot, was Re: Supported devices Message-ID: <1176600770.146411.201540@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> > Failing that, you could try a card which uses a supported chip. Some > hints are available in SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$CONFIG.DAT. The Intel chip(s) > supported by EIDRIVER seem to be fairly popular. Yep, neither seems to be mentioned- well, admittably I was hoping that at least 3com would be supported. OK, next question: On the same Jensen (which is running fairly well, yet it has 128 MB of RAM) I uncommented the TCPIP startup command in sys$common:[sysmgr]systartup_vms.com, however my problems started after. Bottom line: DECwindows complains about too little free GBLSECTIONS (235 instead of 280), and wants to run SYSGEN- yet it doesn't help, after disabling TCPIP everything gets back to normal again (so it's likely hardware limit). So my question is, where shall i put $ @sys$startup:tcpip$startup so it will be run after DECwindows' startup? Rambo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:55:46 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Problems with TCPIP startup on boot, was Re: Supported devices Message-ID: <8b02d$46218653$cef8887a$23437@TEKSAVVY.COM> Rambo wrote: > Bottom line: DECwindows complains about too little free GBLSECTIONS > (235 > instead of 280) > So my question is, where shall i put $ @sys$startup:tcpip$startup so > it will be > run after DECwindows' startup? You should have DECwindows start AFTER TCPIP. This way, you can enable the TCPIP transport for DECWINDOWS. In terms of DECwindows complaining, I've had that problem. In the end, you need to increase the GLBSECTIONS and GBLPAGES until it is happy. There is one decw*.com file in sys$manager that is used to check the sysgen parameters. (it also prevents you from installing DECwindows if you already have decwindows running and thus consuming the resources it is looking for). ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2007 15:06:23 -0700 From: "Rambo" Subject: Supported devices (NICs) and/or device autodiscovering Message-ID: <1176588383.649208.23610@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> In my Jensen I just put all I've got: as a companion to already installed DECPCA (DE422) there is now HP EtherTwist and 3Com 3c597. While ECUing was successful, VMS doesn't seem to care. I ran autogen, but that didn't seem to make much of a difference. These two still aren't noticed. So the question: are these supported in 7.3-1? And if, how to make VMS notice them? Rambo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:39:54 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Supported devices (NICs) and/or device autodiscovering Message-ID: <07041417395399_202002DA@antinode.org> From: "Rambo" > In my Jensen I just put all I've got: as a companion to already I suppose that I should remember what a Jensen is. > installed DECPCA (DE422) there is now HP EtherTwist and 3Com 3c597. > While ECUing was successful, VMS doesn't seem to care. I ran autogen, > but that didn't seem to make much of a difference. These two still > aren't noticed. > > So the question: are these supported in 7.3-1? Apparently not. > And if, how to make VMS > notice them? Write your own driver? Damage them enough to disrupt the PCI bus? You might consider trying one of the supported cards, as listed in the ((suitably) out-of-date) SPD: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/spd/ http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2501/SP2501PF.PDF Failing that, you could try a card which uses a supported chip. Some hints are available in SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$CONFIG.DAT. The Intel chip(s) supported by EIDRIVER seem to be fairly popular. ALP $ show devi /full eia0 Device EIA0:, device type i82558, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:09:26 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Supported devices (NICs) and/or device autodiscovering Message-ID: <46219766.BCECC39A@spam.comcast.net> Rambo wrote: > > In my Jensen I just put all I've got: as a companion to already > installed DECPCA (DE422) there is now HP EtherTwist and 3Com 3c597. > While ECUing was successful, VMS doesn't seem to care. I ran autogen, > but that didn't seem to make much of a difference. These two still > aren't noticed. I wouldn't have expected anything much newer than DE450 to work, certainly no HP anything, and I don't recall seeing anyone mention that a 3com anything worked with any VMS. FWIW... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.207 ************************