INFO-VAX Wed, 21 Feb 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 103 Contents: Re: Adding pre/post escape sequences to a "SAY" Re: FA: DEC Digital DLV11-J DLVJ1 M8043 & Cab Kit PDP-11 NOS NR Re: I lehrned it from a boook Re: Major windoze Vista account ports to OpenVMS! Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Its Official - OpenVMS on Blades - ok for Public Distributio Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Outputting Variables from C Language Re: Outputting Variables from C Language Re: Outputting Variables from C Language Re: Purveyor CGI mailbox capacity [bit long winded] Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! 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Re: TSZ07 VMS Audio Update - Episode #5 Re: VT320 or 420 keypad codes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:20:41 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Adding pre/post escape sequences to a "SAY" Message-ID: <45DBBA89.630BC24C@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > $SAY = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT" exists on pretty much every VMS system, in many > procedures. > > However, what I would like to be able to do is to have a SAY that insert > escape sequence before the message, and another escape sequence after the > message. > > (for instance, in a scrolling region environment of a VT terminal, have the > SAY cause the message to be written to the top window, and then return to > the bottom window for any other output). > > The one thing I could think of is to define a subroutine: > > $SAY: subroutine > $write sys$output esc1,p1,esc2 > $exit > $endsubroutine > > and then in the program, use CALL SAY "This is the message" > > Are there any other suggestions on how this could be done efficiently ? > > However, one big drawback of this is that CALL SAY is quite different from > WRITE SYS$OUTPOUT in terms of how the arguments are handled. > > one can do WRITE SYS$OUTPUT symbol1,symbol2,symbol3 > but you can't CALL SAY symbol1,symbol2,symbol3 Well, technically, you can. Here's how it would work: $SAY: SUBROUTINE $ write sys$output esc_seq_1,'p1',esc_seq_2 $ exit $ endsubroutine Actually, what I would recommend is this: $ say := call show_text . . . $ SAY symbol1,symbol2,symbol3 . . . $ exit $! $show_text: SUBROUTINE $ write sys$output esc_seq_1,'p1',esc_seq_2 $ exit $ endsubroutine > Any way around that would give me the exact same functionality that is > available with WRITE ? Well, with the caveat of embedded quotes, that's almost plug-and-pray. > Also, is it correct to state that when using: > $CALL SAY "Nodename: ''f$getsyi("SCSNODENAME")'" > > That the argument passed to SAY will have already been expanded (eg: any > symbols inside the strings are translated before it enters the subroutine ?) Absolutely. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:52:15 GMT From: Jeff Shirley Subject: Re: FA: DEC Digital DLV11-J DLVJ1 M8043 & Cab Kit PDP-11 NOS NR Message-ID: In vmsnet.pdp-11 David J Dachtera wrote: > Jeff Shirley wrote: >> >> Greetings. >> >> I listed this item on Ebay last night. The item number is 220083121159, and >> the starting bid is $4.99. See below for the description. My apologies if >> my FA: post has offended anyone. >> >> Jeff. > No, not offended, but would you be if we called you "Shirley"? > (Old joke from the movie, "Airplane".) [snip] Classic Leslie Nielsen, indeed! "This woman has to be gotten to a hospital." "A hospital? What is it? "It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now." Jeff. -- Jeff Shirley bucky@mindspring.com "Bill Gates is filthy rich, but that doesn't mean I want to be married to him." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:36:36 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: I lehrned it from a boook Message-ID: Hi Arne, > Appletviewer is a tool to run an applet for testing of functionality. Goodo. > Usually (always?) it get the code using file IO not via HTTP. Huh? Codebase Arne, CODEBASE! I point my Appletviewer at the HTML file that has an Object tag will a URL. If that URL isn't a File URL then why would it be using "file IO"? Anyway, it has been my experience that if it's a http URL then it will use http and if it's a ftp URL then it will use ftp. (Worthwhile pointing out that IE ask 7 (yes SEVEN) times for my applet via ftp and the Appletviewer still only asks once. Look at your ftp logs to verify) So I say it's not the JVM that get's the applets, but what does? The browser or this plugin thing that is used by the browser but not the Appletviewer? Cheers Richard Maher "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:45da1df4$0$90271$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > Richard Maher wrote: > > So, if it's not the browser (IE) that gets the archive file and then passes > > it on to the JVM, why would Sun's Appletviewer behave so differently (and > > much better) than it's own IE inspired JVM? (DLL,Plugin,. . .) Different > > code to do exactly the same thing in two sibling utilities? > > Appletviewer is a tool to run an applet for testing of functionality. > > Usually (always?) it get the code using file IO not via HTTP. > > Arne > > ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 11:33:54 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: Major windoze Vista account ports to OpenVMS! Message-ID: <1172000034.645927.292970@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On Feb 20, 1:45 pm, Dave Froble wrote: > b...@instantwhip.com wrote: > > On Feb 20, 7:36 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Dave Froble [mailto:d...@tsoft-inc.com] > >>> Sent: February 19, 2007 3:30 PM > >>> To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > >>> Subject: Re: Major windoze Vista account ports to OpenVMS! > >>> davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > >>>> In article > >>> <8660a3a10702190544r10df700bnc568ee021f5ef...@mail.gmail.com>, > >>> "William Webb" writes: > >>>>> On 19 Feb 2007 04:53:52 -0800, b...@instantwhip.com > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/02/16/3329759 > >>>>> Um, Earth to Bob? > >>>>> The only mention of Vista in the article refers to the name of the > >>>>> vendor of the software product. > >>>> Yes it is a SCADA (supervisory control and data aquisition) system. > >>>> However to be fair to Bob the article does say that the VMS > >>> system replaced a > >>>> windows based SCADA system due to the customer having > >>> suffered a virus which > >>>> shut down the windows system for two days. > >>>> David Webb > >>>> Security team leader > >>>> CCSS > >>>> Middlesex University > >>>>> WWWebb > >>> What's really nice is that somebody in management decided > >>> that yes, he > >>> really could get fired for choosing windows, and regardless of the > >>> resistance of the windows advocates, made a decision in favor of less > >>> downtime and keeping his job. :-) > >>> I wonder what the downtime cost was? Wonder how expensive it > >>> has to be > >>> before the windows advocates get overruled? > >>> Lucky for VMS that someone with the vendor actually knew > >>> about VMS and > >>> wasn't afraid to rock the windows boat. > >> While Linux and Windows have a place and do offer capabilities in > >> certain areas, this is a good example of a company with an important > >> application that realized they can not afford Windows. Imho, Linux falls > >> into this same category. > > >> However, and imho, bottom line is that both platforms have 5-20 > >> *security* patches per month and these Cust's important applications > >> need to be tested and QA'ed before releasing these patches to > >> production. > > >> So, their options are: > >> 1. QA/testing times (big $'s in staff labour) go through the roof - at a > >> time when business is looking more functionality from its app's and > >> hence must often delay these new App features. > >> 2. Ignore the risks and release the patches and hope for the best; > >> 3. Ignore the security patches and risk exposing their application and > >> data. Remember that 50-60% of most security issues are caused by > >> internal issues, so one can not simply depend on external firewalls. > > >> Some choice. > > > or you can cut off mail and web access and hope you have not hired > > a hacker internally ... :) > > My experience is that most smaller companies do not consider their > operations similar to say, Sandia Labs, and therefore want to keep the > viri and such out, but aren't too much concerned with security > otherwise. When such an organization has an internal problem, they're > toast regardless of what OS they're using. that is partially wrong ... on vms they can only use the privilidges that are assigned to the account they have found a password source for ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:07:12 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OpenVMS Pearl - Its Official - OpenVMS on Blades - ok for Public Distributio Message-ID: <45DBB760.81DA2960@spam.comcast.net> bob@instantwhip.com wrote: > > On Feb 16, 9:25 pm, David J Dachtera > wrote: > > b...@instantwhip.com wrote: > > > > > On Feb 15, 8:38 pm, David J Dachtera > > > wrote: > > > > > > Right here - reading up on what's coming into our shop within 18 months: IBM + > > > > AIX. > > > > > good luck with that convuluted environment ... make sure you use > > > c on it ... unix and c ... now there is a winner ... > > > > Like it or else, Power5 outperforms Alpha (and, thus, Itanic) 3 to 1! > > well Dave, we are still waiting to here why you cannot get an smp > itanium box at a cheaper cost to equal the power one ... That's easy: doesn't exist! Itanics would have to improve their performance four-fold just to come "into the ballpark". > IBM and sun offered that very solution for years as alpha was on top > and that did not seem to stop many from buying their garbage > because it was cheap ... Hardly. Ever priced IBM? > now you want to jump off the worlds only virus free platform and onto > unix garbage and become a member of the patch of the day club when > running multiple itaniums can match fewer power (designs stolen from > alpha) chips and spend a ton of money doing it ... > > real bright ... Not my decision. Business imperative. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 15:14:23 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Oracle - DST 2007 heads up Message-ID: In article <540donF1utujsU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > But no one "saves" anything. You merely relocate it. They do if they were not making use of the light after work. Around here it's light out quite a bit after work already. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 14:30:51 -0800 From: raggden@gmail.com Subject: Outputting Variables from C Language Message-ID: <1172010651.358917.125580@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> I wrote this DCL script to execute some calculations however I need to do decimal math so I need to introduce a C script into the DCL commands. I can pass the variables from DCL to the C script using argc and argv but can't figure out how to pass certain variables (values) back to the DCL script environment. I have three values I need to pass back out so that the DCL script can continue. How does one do this? I assume I use the "return" command in C but then how does DCL interpret that and store those values to variables? DCL ----- (Passes Values) ---> C (Does Decimal Math) -----(Need to pass new values back???)---> DCL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:06:42 -0500 From: "Richard B. gilbert" Subject: Re: Outputting Variables from C Language Message-ID: <45DB7F02.7060101@comcast.net> raggden@gmail.com wrote: > I wrote this DCL script to execute some calculations however I need to > do decimal math so I need to introduce a C script into the DCL > commands. I can pass the variables from DCL to the C script using argc > and argv but can't figure out how to pass certain variables (values) > back to the DCL script environment. I have three values I need to pass > back out so that the DCL script can continue. How does one do this? I > assume I use the "return" command in C but then how does DCL interpret > that and store those values to variables? > > > DCL ----- (Passes Values) ---> C (Does Decimal Math) -----(Need to > pass new values back???)---> DCL > ISTR LIB$SET_SYMBOL or something close to that! So you use it to define VALUE_1, VALUE_2, and VALUE_3. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:09:21 GMT From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Outputting Variables from C Language Message-ID: Quick & Dirty routine to set a global symbol... static int set_dcl_symbol(char *buffer, char *symbol) { extern int LIB$SET_SYMBOL(); int sym_type = 2, status = 1; struct dsc$descriptor_s dev_symbol = {0, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_S, 0}; struct dsc$descriptor_s dev_value = {0, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_S, 0}; dev_value.dsc$a_pointer = &buffer[0]; dev_value.dsc$w_length = strlen(buffer); dev_symbol.dsc$a_pointer = symbol; dev_symbol.dsc$w_length = strlen(symbol); status = LIB$SET_SYMBOL(&dev_symbol, &dev_value, &sym_type); if (!(status & 1)) printf ("Error status from lib$set_symbol 0x%X\n", status); return (status); } "FredK" wrote in message news:0NLCh.220$RM7.15@news.cpqcorp.net... > Use LIB$SET_SYMBOL > > Trying to use the status value from C is problematic since UNIX success is > zero - and C will change the status on you to try to be VMS friendly. > > > wrote in message > news:1172010651.358917.125580@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... >>I wrote this DCL script to execute some calculations however I need to >> do decimal math so I need to introduce a C script into the DCL >> commands. I can pass the variables from DCL to the C script using argc >> and argv but can't figure out how to pass certain variables (values) >> back to the DCL script environment. I have three values I need to pass >> back out so that the DCL script can continue. How does one do this? I >> assume I use the "return" command in C but then how does DCL interpret >> that and store those values to variables? >> >> >> DCL ----- (Passes Values) ---> C (Does Decimal Math) -----(Need to >> pass new values back???)---> DCL >> > > ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 12:30:54 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: Purveyor CGI mailbox capacity [bit long winded] Message-ID: <1172003454.867255.246080@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Feb 20, 2:45 pm, Mark Daniel wrote: > Mark Daniel wrote: > > Yes, I can't really believe I'm doing this, myself ;-} > > > Chasing some odd behaviours of soyMAIL under Purveyor for a NZ evaluator > > (yup, I know I said it was not supported - it still - almost - isn't, > > and I think lot this may be the final nail) I have ended up going back > > to basics with the CGI stream. To make a long story a little > > shorter I have probed the Purveyor CGI output interface using a slightly > > tailored-for-Purveyor version of the WASD utility IPCTICKLER.C > > > From http://vms.process.com/~help/helpapicgi.html... > > > "Just as with POSTed data, an OpenVMS mailbox is used to deliver the CGI > > program's output to the server (for sending to the browser). Because of > > the way OpenVMS handles mailboxes (which are record, not carriage > > control, oriented devices), some special considerations apply. In > > particular, Purveyor appends a line terminator (CR/LF) to each record > > written by the CGI program when the Content-type is text (such as > > text/html or text/plain). For all other Content-types, Purveyor does not > > append anything to each record written. For binary data, a content-type > > other than text must be used (usually, binary output is > > application/octet-stream or some other content type)." > > > This is not terribly startling because any such interface needs to do > > much the same to provide for record-oriented output from DCL utilities > > and the like. The critical ascpect is the fixed nature of the > > carriage-control adjustment for *all* "text/.." content-types. > > > My probing indicates a maximum of 1024 characters in any one record > > before potentially inappropriate carriage-control is introduced. This > > may seem like a lot but when at least some of the content is out of the > > application's control (e.g. message body, MIME part, HTML message > > content) this may occasionally be exceeded making the application > > (soyMAIL) unreliable. Also, soyMAIL is written in the belief that we > > can leave the output buffering to the C-RTL, and so some of it's own > > fprintf()s can generate a lot of output, potentially overflowing > > internal RTL buffers and thence mailbox buffers. (And I certainly don't > > feel any impulse to count all the fixed characters and all the formatted > > strings, etc., of every fprintf() in all my code to ensure statements > > stay within some arbitrary limit.) > > > I'm guessing there are no undocumented work-arounds for Purveyor and > > this issue but thought I might poll the community before abandoning it > > altogether. > > > (I should add that this not an issue for VMS Apache, OSU or WASD because > > of available mechanisms allowing such carriage-control massaging > > behaviours to be script-controlled.) > > It's been three weeks since the initial post and apart from the expected > input from Bob Ceculski there has no comment either confirming or > disputing the issue, or providing a programmatic work-around. This > indicates any/all of; nobody in the Purveyor community reads c.o.v. > (apart from BC), nobody from PSC is permitted to comment(/support) > Purveyor (even informally), nobody is using Purveyor on VMS (apart from > BC), no concern about data corruption in the Purveyor community (even > BC), no interest at all (apart from BC). As this is a serious issue the > next release of soyMAIL (Real Soon Now(tm)) will have Purveyor support > written out and the application will advise it cannot be (safely) run > under Purveyor.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - no problem Mark ... Process software will remedy the situation hopefully ... that is another reason why it pays to pay for software and support instead of freeware because when you have a problem, the author seems to either pull a Bill Clinton (I tried as hard as I could), or just vanish to some beach in the Bahamas ... Now Mark said he would try for a fee, but the lesson is freeware never ends up being free ... ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 12:04:42 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: <1172001882.681769.222840@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> On Feb 20, 12:21 pm, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > > Bob is so out of touch with reality as far as the IT industry is concerned > it is utterly amazing that he has a job at all. He usually quotes things > out of context and often gets the meaning behind them totally reversed. well I am not the first vms user/promoter to be called out of touch ... you sound like a former sun/IBM unix salesman ... or even worse, Andrew! I am smart enough to realize that vms is the best multipurpose OS out there, that it doesn't get viruses or rooted or hacked unless you can get someone to give you his password or you have an admin who doesn't know what they are doing security wise (your vms shop sounds like it needs some new ones) ... My record has proven how smart I am having run every service we need on vms and having it run 365x24 ... I have DEC hardware that has run for 9 straight years now without doing much of anything except development which I have time for instead of installing the patch of the day ... I am smart enough to have went thru 3 upgrades from pdp to vax to alpha with just a simple compile and go ... I will pit my dibol/dbl and dcl skills anytime againset your c garbage unix ones ... how much money you got in your retirement fund to bet? My employers have enjoyed the lowest TCO againset anyone out there and they know it, as do countless other vms shops ... I have never had a limitation with vms doing anything asked of me to do ... one day you will walk in and every student will have an "A" posted to his permanent record, and then we will see who is out of touch ... ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 20:12:27 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: <54131bF1trinsU1@mid.individual.net> In article <1172001882.681769.222840@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, bob@instantwhip.com writes: > On Feb 20, 12:21 pm, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> Bob is so out of touch with reality as far as the IT industry is concerned >> it is utterly amazing that he has a job at all. He usually quotes things >> out of context and often gets the meaning behind them totally reversed. > > well I am not the first vms user/promoter to be called out of > touch ... > > you sound like a former sun/IBM unix salesman ... or even worse, > Andrew! > > I am smart enough to realize that vms is the best multipurpose OS > out there, that it doesn't get viruses or rooted or hacked unless > you can get someone to give you his password or you have an admin > who doesn't know what they are doing security wise (your vms shop > sounds like it needs some new ones) ... > > My record has proven how smart I am having run every service we > need on vms and having it run 365x24 ... I have DEC hardware that > has run for 9 straight years now without doing much of anything > except development which I have time for instead of installing the > patch of the day ... > > I am smart enough to have went thru 3 upgrades from pdp to vax to > alpha with just a simple compile and go ... > > I will pit my dibol/dbl and dcl skills anytime againset your c garbage > unix > ones ... how much money you got in your retirement fund to bet? > > My employers have enjoyed the lowest TCO againset anyone out there > and they know it, as do countless other vms shops ... > > I have never had a limitation with vms doing anything asked of me > to do ... > > one day you will walk in and every student will have an "A" posted to > his permanent record, and then we will see who is out of touch ... Yeah Bob, we will. The grades are all kept on a VMS machine. God, your an idiot!!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 12:18:12 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: <1172002692.266934.209160@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Feb 20, 12:21 pm, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > Bob is so out of touch with reality as far as the IT industry is concerned > it is utterly amazing that he has a job at all. He usually quotes things > out of context and often gets the meaning behind them totally reversed. well I am not the first vms user/promoter to be called out of touch ... you sound like a former sun/IBM unix salesman ... or even worse, Andrew! I am smart enough to realize that vms is the best multipurpose OS out there, that it doesn't get viruses or rooted or hacked unless you can get someone to give you his password or you have an admin who doesn't know what they are doing security wise (your vms shop sounds like it needs some new ones) ... My record has proven how smart I am having run every service we need on vms and having it run 365x24 ... I have DEC hardware that has run for 9 straight years now without doing much of anything except development which I have time for instead of installing the patch of the day ... I am smart enough to have went thru 3 upgrades from pdp to vax to alpha with just a simple compile and go ... I will pit my dibol/dbl and dcl skills anytime againset your c garbage unix ones ... how much money you got in your retirement fund to bet? My employers have enjoyed the lowest TCO againset anyone out there and they know it, as do countless other vms shops ... I have never had a limitation with vms doing anything asked of me to do ... and I do not have to resort to name calling and insults with someone who I do not agree ... with that professional attitude you and some others on here have, it is a wonder you are working if you even are ... one day you will walk in and every student will have an "A" posted to his permanent record, and then we will see who is out of touch ... ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 12:48:17 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: <1172004497.467464.5070@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> On Feb 20, 3:12 pm, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <1172001882.681769.222...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, > b...@instantwhip.com writes: > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 12:21 pm, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > > >> Bob is so out of touch with reality as far as the IT industry is concerned > >> it is utterly amazing that he has a job at all. He usually quotes things > >> out of context and often gets the meaning behind them totally reversed. > > > well I am not the first vms user/promoter to be called out of > > touch ... > > > you sound like a former sun/IBM unix salesman ... or even worse, > > Andrew! > > > I am smart enough to realize that vms is the best multipurpose OS > > out there, that it doesn't get viruses or rooted or hacked unless > > you can get someone to give you his password or you have an admin > > who doesn't know what they are doing security wise (your vms shop > > sounds like it needs some new ones) ... > > > My record has proven how smart I am having run every service we > > need on vms and having it run 365x24 ... I have DEC hardware that > > has run for 9 straight years now without doing much of anything > > except development which I have time for instead of installing the > > patch of the day ... > > > I am smart enough to have went thru 3 upgrades from pdp to vax to > > alpha with just a simple compile and go ... > > > I will pit my dibol/dbl and dcl skills anytime againset your c garbage > > unix > > ones ... how much money you got in your retirement fund to bet? > > > My employers have enjoyed the lowest TCO againset anyone out there > > and they know it, as do countless other vms shops ... > > > I have never had a limitation with vms doing anything asked of me > > to do ... > > > one day you will walk in and every student will have an "A" posted to > > his permanent record, and then we will see who is out of touch ... > > Yeah Bob, we will. The grades are all kept on a VMS machine. > > God, your an idiot!!! > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > b...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - and I do not need to resort to name calling and insults when I do not agree with somebody like you and others do on this board ... with your maturity and professionalism Bill, I wonder how you are even employed ... how old are you now ... five? ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 15:16:25 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: In article <45dafcc5$0$3581$815e3792@news.qwest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" writes: > That's because you and most of this group, including myself anymore, don't > do real-time (RT), time critical computing. I sure as hell do. It's the only thing I get paid to do. Lately we've been using VxWorks, ring a bell? ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 15:17:29 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: In article <540hnjF1ui01pU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Guess you don't do much Real-time. :-) > And your new here, aren't you? 8-) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 15:19:28 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: In article <540p0jF1qe6qlU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > And, if they have been using "OpenVMS for over 18 years" and been totally > satisfied with it why then did they even bother with a Windows version? Because the customer is always right. And sometimes you have to let them buy the wrong thing, try it, and then ask for the right thing, or you won't make a sale. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 13:28:40 -0800 From: sean@obanion.us Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: <1172006920.517832.250170@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> A few more details about the Aluminum casting project, and how we defined realtime: We used Vista on VMS (diskless VAXstation 4000 VLC) for the UI, where we set a real-time standard for 0.2 Sec for a responce, though usually we got 0.1 Sec. VAXeln ran on essentily a MV3 CPU on a VME card, sitting in several industrial hardened VME cages (several with mutipule CPU cards) across the length of the rolling line, with Vista's databases disrubuted such that real-time contollers and data collection for them where local, but could be monitored and controlled from any of the UI staitions. I used the original Digital - Intel - Xerox (DIX) heavy coax Ethernet to plug everything tothgeather on dual networks (they wanted to see it fail before they would spend the extra $50K for fiber Ethernet - it never did): one for the realtime communications including the UI stations, and other for eveything else. We measured the VAXeln thread change (from one Job in a VAXeln process to another Job) at about 20 uSec, and ran our controler processing at 100Hz (which was quite high for the that industry, at least at that time), which was the limit on the VAX interval timer hardware, though other users of the same hardware had added VME timer cards to generate higher rates. We got an AXP150 Alpha (I think it was), and rigged an experimental implementation of our contollers with two VMS processes: one ran at a variable rate sending a time stamp and the other one that responded to interupts from the first and outputing the sent timestamp. We observed about one order of magnitude improvement over the VAXeln systems: less than .5 uSec response to the interrupt (which includes far more context switch overhead than a VAXeln thread change), and a maximum rate of about 1KHz, which was probably the limit of interval clock (1024Hz). This was a non-clustered node and probably VMS 6.1 or so. I left a little while later, but it looked like a single Alpha could run all of the realtime controllers and data collection, and probably another for the UI, for an entire casting and rolling line. I outlined how to do this, but I think the death of VAXeln (which was announced before I left, though that's not why) left such a bad taste that they had a hard time staying with DEC. Sean On Feb 20, 8:37 am, cornel...@encompasserve.org (George Cornelius) wrote: > In article <540i31F1ui01...@mid.individual.net>, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Well, we were talking SCADA, weren't we? [...] > > "Vsystem has supported OpenVMS for over 18 years and other operating systems > for over 15 years." [Vista related press release at OpenVMS.org] > > Perhaps you would like to call up the Vista folks and let them know how > delusional they are. > > Real time has many definitions. If you'll look at an earlier post in this > thread you'll note that there may be "real time controllers" in the picture. > You can run your OS/9 there. > > I'm not going to argue with success. You, on the other hand, have invented an > argument with the Vista people out of the clear blue sky. You want to drive > Bob out of existence by demolishing his arguments, but sometimes he quotes > someone who knows something. > > [Hmm. Los Alamos, New Mexico. Can't imagine who they might have in their > customer base.] > > -- > George Cornelius cornelius()eisner.decus.org > cornelius()mayo.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:19:31 -0500 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY virus free OS! Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]=20 > Sent: February 20, 2007 4:19 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: They are slowly coming home to the worlds ONLY=20 > virus free OS! >=20 > In article <540p0jF1qe6qlU1@mid.individual.net>,=20 > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >=20 > > And, if they have been using "OpenVMS for over 18 years"=20 > and been totally > > satisfied with it why then did they even bother with a=20 > Windows version? >=20 > Because the customer is always right. And sometimes you=20 > have to let > them buy the wrong thing, try it, and then ask for the right thing, > or you won't make a sale. >=20 Yep, sometimes it's a lot like working with teenagers .. Emotional and very susceptible to "the next big thing" or "the grass is greener on the other side" initiatives. You try to give them the benefit of your experience, but sometimes they just have to learn it for themselves.=20 Reminds me of story about 17 year old teenager who is full of "emotion" and leaves home for University. That person returns home 4 years later and is amazed how much his parents have learned in those 4 years. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:12:11 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: This is what we're up against! Message-ID: <45DBB88B.8E7AF1D3@spam.comcast.net> Ken Robinson wrote: > > I found this video on YouTube > by searching for VMS. It was made in 1991! > > The description reads -- Music video for "VMS: Just Say No" which depicts > the pitfalls of VMS addiction. From Episode 3 of "The Looneys Hack Show". > > I wonder if any of the the UPG videos still exist and can be put on > YouTube? What I would propose is this: *ANY*one with a commercial idea/script in their heads (Hello, John Smith?) and access to the local broadband video outlet's LO (Local Origination) facilities should go into production and provide the fruit of their labor on OpenVMS.org. There's also the remote possibility that Mr. Levy (http://www.tifnet.net) could be persuaded to host them on an openvms.com page (he owns the domain name). Still think we don't have the muscle? ...or the money? -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2007 15:22:58 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: TSZ07 Message-ID: In article <540r6mF1ut6cpU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article <1171993845.236668.188870@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, > bob.birch@gmail.com writes: >> >> I've repaired the DEC TLZ07 in the field and >> in the shop. It's a DAT Drive made by ARCHIVE >> called a Python. I think Seagate bought Archive ? >> It was in a shoebox and a moderate hassle to get >> out, but once out of the box you cud get to most >> of the major assemblies. >> >> Dont know if your TSZ07 is the same but it mite >> be. Once it out of the box you can inspect or >> meter the motors or look for a tag on who made >> them. If it's bad motor thats pretty easy to determine. > > TSZ07 is a DEC SCSI 9-track. IIRC Pythons are 4mm (mine are). I think bob was thinking TLZ07. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:06:55 -0500 From: "Kenneth Farmer" Subject: VMS Audio Update - Episode #5 Message-ID: <45db9b99$0$24788$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> In this our fifth episode we'll get an Encompass Update from Nina Buik (EncompassUS), a third T4 tech tip from Steve Lieman (TrendsThatMatter), DECNet over IP from Colin Butcher and a piece about backup and encryption from Guy Peleg (BrudenOSSG). http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=07/02/20/9459784 Ken _______________________________________ Kenneth R. Farmer < 336-736-7376 www.OpenVMS.org | dba.OpenVMS.org | dcl.OpenVMS.org | vpn.OpenVMS.org de.OpenVMS.org | fr.OpenVMS.org | it.OpenVMS.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:47:26 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: VT320 or 420 keypad codes Message-ID: Thomas Dickey wrote: > Steve Bainbridge wrote: > > >>Is it possible to use xterm to access the console port of a VMS system >>i.e. via a PCs serial port ? > > > There's a program called "seyon" which does modem connections as a shell > around xterm. > > (I haven't used serial connections in quite a while -ymmv). > iirc, Debian has a package for it. > Another possibility is to run C-Kermit in an xterm window on the Linux box, and connect to the VMS system's console using a null modem between a serial port on the Linux box and the VMS serial console port. You could also use latd's llogin program (Unix LAT emulator) to a DECServer terminal server with a null modem connected to the VMS serial console (or a bunch of VMS serial consoles) running in an xterm window. Telnet to an IP-capable terminal server would also work. (Some people have said they've experienced serious problems with latd, but I've not had any problems in light usage on a Mac OS X 10.4 Powerbook.) -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.103 ************************