INFO-VAX Wed, 14 Feb 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 89 Contents: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Re: DVD writer for DS10L ? Re: Emulex CS09 configuration help? FedEx UN Travel Destinations Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Re: Intel 80 core chip revealed in full detail Re: Intel 80 core chip revealed in full detail Re: Manual DST change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 Re: Manual DST change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 Re: Manual DST change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 Re: Migrating C application from VMS to LINUX Re: Migrating C application from VMS to LINUX Re: Migrating C application from VMS to LINUX Re: OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 Re: OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 Re: X Windows App Re: X Windows App ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:53:29 -0800 From: Alan Frisbie Subject: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Message-ID: <1171392799.958566@smirk> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > You get a junker system anyway. Safe the company money you spend on > the session, hotel, airfare, etc. and buy one with hardware support! I am considering doing exactly that. What is the least expensive way to get a usable system with the "Office Friendly" kit, a VMS license and warranty? What is the approximate cost? I followed the links from the VMS home page to the rx2620-2 page, but cannot find a price list. The "How to Buy" button just take you to the "Partner Locater". The *last* thing I want to do is talk to a salesperson! I just want a price list, so I can make informed choices! Thanks, Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:28:59 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Alpha to Integrity porting workshops - who's been? Message-ID: In article <1171408658.736753.22030@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" wrote: >On Feb 13, 1:53 pm, Alan Frisbie >wrote: >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> > You get a junker system anyway. Safe the company money you spend on >> > the session, hotel, airfare, etc. and buy one with hardware support! You don't get a "junker system". You get new merchandise, but you don't get the standard warranty. If the system needs service (that happens sometimes to hardware), you can buy parts and fix it yourself, or you can pay time and materials to have someone else (including HP) fix it. I expect you could buy a service contract for the system, but maybe some obscure rule prevents that. >> I am considering doing exactly that. What is the least expensive way >> to get a usable system with the "Office Friendly" kit, a VMS license and >> warranty? What is the approximate cost? >> >> I followed the links from the VMS home page to the rx2620-2 page, but >> cannot find a price list. The "How to Buy" button just take you to >> the "Partner Locater". The *last* thing I want to do is talk to a >> salesperson! I just want a price list, so I can make informed choices! >> >> Thanks, >> Alan > >Try here: http://h30099.www3.hp.com/configurator/catalog-hpintegrity.asp >It's a configurator. About mid-way down is the section for entry >level OpenVMS systems. There is an entry for the RX2620 there. I >tried it but I guess since it's labeled as an "Enterprise >Configurator" you can only price a rack-mounted system. So figure >about another $1K for the Rack to Tower conversion and the "Office >Friendly" kit. I don't know exactly. There are places on eBay to get >the tower conversion for a RX2620 for under $100 but I'm sure HP's >list price is much higher. I've not seen any of the office conversion >kits for sale there. BTW, a RX2620 with one dual-core 1.4GHz/12Mb >CPU, 4Gb memory, 36GB disk, DVD-RW and a management processor card >priced out to $16K with a VMS FOE license and 3-yr hardware support >plus HP startup services. Just the hardware and licenses were about >$11K. This is HP list before discounts (if you get any). I don't think you can get prices on any HP Integrity server without talking to either an HP sales person, or an HP authorized reseller. The "Enterprise Configurator" doesn't know how to configure quite a few system options. The pedestal mounting and the office-friendly conversion are just two examples. The prices in the configurator are list prices, not realistic street prices. Even if the the configurator gives you enough detail for the system you need (and it often doesn't), it's not hooked to anything that let's you place an order. The best case is that you get a detailed configuration that you can hand off to HP sales (or a reseller) and they can re-enter the information into a different system to turn it into a real order with real prices. In some ways, the QuickSpecs are more helpful than the configurator. To make an rx2620 server into an "office friendly" one, there are several steps: 1. Make sure the firwmare is new enough. BMC version 3.48 or higher is the key requirement for office-friendly rx2620. Some newer CPUs require newer firmware than this. The firmware release notes have the gory details. In practice, just load the latest firmware bundle from HP's web site. (New systems ship with the latest firmware, so this isn't a concern.) 2. Install the rack-to-pedestal conversion kit, option AB377A. This is a non-technical requirement. If you make a rack-mount rx2620 into an office-friendly version, it will work. But you won't find this configuration listed in any of the marketing documents. 3. The office-friendly conversion is option number AD244A, along with mandatory installation service HA113A1. This information is buried in the QuickSpecs, in the "Non-HP Cabinets" section. (This formatting problem has been reported a couple of times, but the error persists in the current version of the QuickSpecs.) The conversion kit includes some replacement fans. The instructions say you have to remove the optional redundant power supply. The required BMC firmware has revised thermal algorithms that know how to keep the system cool with the new fans. I believe the firmware also enforces the single-power-supply rule. To make this work, the system's product ID has to be changed to "office friendly" in NVRAM. This is a protected field, not modifiable by customers, which is why the installation service in mandatory. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 2007 19:37:43 -0800 From: mcbill20@yahoo.com Subject: Re: DVD writer for DS10L ? Message-ID: <1171424263.780516.65390@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On Feb 1, 11:04 am, Stephen Hoffman wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > I have a DS10L with the right bay free. > > Given your proclivity with metal-working tools and a willingness to > make existing holes larger, matters involving the chassis shouldn't be > an issue. Add a willingness to risk RF interference and access to an > air chisel or some torches, a replacement chassis, and Bob's your uncle. > > > I have a DSL10L with a SCSI card, but both bays full. > > Look for a bigger box and a main-board swap. Seriously. Or look for > a box like a Mac OS X box or a Windows box or a Linux box, or look for a > desktop or deskside Alpha system. Or mount the box inside the vegetable > drawer of a refrigerator, and run the cables out the side. All of which > can do what you want, and probably for less cost than you will have by > trying to retrofit the recording drive into this 1U server. > > You're over-configuring a limited and purpose-built rack-and-stack > density-optimized system. That task is "not fun" approaching "real > work", and it won't provide the most beneficial user experience. > > There may well have been a CD-R/RW for this box, I have never looked > for that -- the HP official CD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW upgrades were rather > recent acquisitions for the AlphaServer series, particularly when > compared with how common these devices are with Mac OS X, Windows and > Linux configurations. > > > What would be the recommended solution to get some sort of DVD/CD writer > > on one of these machines ? One where I could burn CDs and DVDs preferably ? > > > I looked in some of the on-line catalogues and couldn't find SCSI based > > DVD writers. (since those seemed to focus on consumer market). > > SCSI-based CD-R/RW devices are now scarce, and have been scarce for a > few years now. SCSI-based DVD devices are even more scarce, and always > have been. > > The usual path in that direction is an Acard or similar adapter, and > connecting an IDE ATAPI device to the SCSI. > > I'd be surprised if all of the SCSI-IDE adapters around will work, > but there have been reports here and elsewhere that some do work. > > Or you can work toward freeing up and using an IDE connection, and > using that. > > You might well get a PCI USB working, if you have a PCI slot. (If > you don't have a PCI slot, the Trifecta card is what you really want to > find -- that's a multi-function PCI card and supported by OpenVMS.) > > > Are there any DVD writers that actually fit inside the DS10L ? Would > > those be the types designed for laptops ? > > The slimline drives are used on most (all?) Integrity servers, and on > the AlphaServer ES47, ES80 and GS1280 series boxes, and some others. > The slimline drives can and do fit, but you'd need the adapter from the > SCSI or IDE cabling you have to the slimline connector. The MultiBay > drives are usually the right size, it's getting from the connector you > have to the connector on the drive -- various of the AlphaServer boxes > had adapters for these connections. Slimline drives are more expensive > than the commodity drives -- which is one reason the Acard or equivalent > adapter can be a useful approach, or the use of another system. > > --www.HoffmanLabs.com > Services for OpenVMS Will either the Trifecta or the Acard solution allow booting from the attached DVD -RAM drive? I still have a PWS500 that I need to add a DVD-RAM drive to. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:36:21 -0600 From: Alex Zorrilla Subject: Re: Emulex CS09 configuration help? Message-ID: Just to follow up, I finally found out how to configure the Emulex CS09. My guess is that the same procedure probably applies to the Emulex CS08. It turns out that the CP09 distribution panel (which actually has the 16 DB9 connectors) has a switch on the back. There are three positions: NORMAL, RESET, and SETUP. Take the VAX offline and set the switch to SETUP. At the point, the red "Fault" LED should begin blinking. Now plug a terminal (preferably one with a display... I used a VT100) to any one of the DB9 connections. The terminal should have the following settings: baud rate = 9600 bps character length = 8 bits parity = none uses no modem control signals does not require level flow control (XON/XOFF is supported) Hit RETURN on the terminal keyboard, and you should be greeted with the Emulex configuration menu. From here, it is relatively straightforward to go through the menus to change the starting CSR address and the interrupt vector... hit "1" to modify the configuration, then type in the desired values. Once you have entered the desired values, don't forget to hit "2" to save the changes. Flip the switch back to NORMAL. At the VAX >>> prompt, type in UNJAM to reset the hardware, then SHOW QBUS to display the devices connected. When properly configured, the CS09 should appear as two DHV11 devices. By the way, the pinout of the serial ports on the DB9 connectors are as follows. This may help out anyone trying to run a terminal emulator from a PC, as they are not the same pinouts as a standard PC COM port (you will need to make an adapter). 1 - data set ready 2 - ring indicator 3 - transmit data 4 - receive data 5 - signal ground 6 - carrier detect 7 - request to send 8 - clear to send 9 - data terminal ready I hope this helps out anyone reading through these newsgroups, or anyone trying to do a Google search later on. My thanks to everyone who answered this thread, and special thanks to GD California ( http://www.gdca.com ). They were the ones who supplied me a manual so I could get all this working! --Alex Alex Zorrilla wrote: > Hey, all. > > We recently added some new hardware to our old MicroVAX 3900. As a > result, we need to reconfigure our Emulex CS09 to use a different CSR > address space on the Q-bus. The problem is, we have no documentation, > and the board itself has almost no jumpers. It almost certainly uses > some sort of onboard utility, but we do not know how to access it. > > Can anybody help? Thanks. > > --Alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:23:34 GMT From: Agent X Subject: FedEx UN Travel Destinations Message-ID: UN Spons.ored Southern Vacation Packages http://vacationdestiny.blogspot.com/ @------ d ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:10:08 -0800 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: How to temporarily disable AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV? Message-ID: <53fcseF1se9vnU1@mid.individual.net> tadamsmar wrote: > I have the following notes on how to set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV > > SYSMAN > PARA SET AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 > PARA WRITE ACTIVE > PARA WRITE CURRENT > reboot A late reply here, but I'd note that the above sequence is dangerous! Don't do it... You're overwriting the CURRENT parameters (as created by AUTOGEN and stored in ALPHAVMSSYS.PAR) with the ACTIVE(in-memory) parameters; ALL of them. The ACTIVE paramters do NOT all have the same values as the CURRENT parameters. Instead, be sure to USE the parameter set you want prior to changing a value: $ MCR SYSMAN SYSMAN> use active SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 SYSMAN> show . ! Verify setting SYSMAN> write active SYSMAN> use current SYSMAN> set AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV 1 SYSMAN> show . SYSMAN> write current ! Only AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV changed SYSMAN> exit Regards, Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:28:47 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Intel 80 core chip revealed in full detail Message-ID: <45d212e2$0$16275$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote in message news:1171386141.078749.325170@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >Why would Intel spend lots developing 8086? IA64 is WELL ahead of >8086. > >Or did you mean x86-64? > >Steve > He always means x86-64 but for some reason no one has been able to get him to drop 8086. (I never hear Steve Jobs ever mention the 6502 :-) Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:44:05 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Intel 80 core chip revealed in full detail Message-ID: <45d25cc8$0$16375$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:45d26036$0$90276$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > Neil Rieck wrote: >> "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message >> news:45d13bdd$0$49198$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... >>> Neil Rieck wrote: >>>> Yep it's a Darwinian thing. x86-64 competition between Intel and AMD >>>> will ensure that x86-64 will get stronger + faster, quicker. >>> >>> Or a Smithian thing. >> >> Agent Smith from the Matrix? > > No - a guy with the first name Adam. > > Arne > Oh you mean the guy that Americans think was a blood-thursty capitalist even though he was really a moral philosopher who studied economic theory in order to properly redistribute wealth to those displaced by the industrial revolution? Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:29:47 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Manual DST change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 Message-ID: The "instructions" for OpenVMS V7.3-1 say: STEPS 1. Copy your US_EASTERN. file from the patch directory and place into the SYS$COMMON:[000000.SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.US] directory. NOTE: SYS$COMMON:[000000.SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.CANADA] for Canadian customers. 2. *IF* running DTSS, then issue: $ @SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE and select option 5 [5] Configure Timezone Differential Factor And follow the instructions. This will correct the four SYS$TIMEZONE* logicals immediately and change the "next TDF" time within DTSS to reflect the March 11th date for 2007. You are now finished. 3. *IF* running AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1: $ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM ! follow the menu appropriately. $ @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN ! reboot the machine This will correct the four SYS$TIMEZONE* logicals, correct the rule listed in the file TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM, and create appropriate Timer Queue Entries (TQEs) under the JOB_CONTROL process for the next time change. < I am not running DTSS.> === So are the other three logicals only for DTSS or what? David J Dachtera To 01/29/2007 09:41 PM Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc Subject Re: Manual DST change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 ksrich@bellsouth.net wrote: > > wrote in message > news:1170109541.483535.217060@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > > If you have access to a 7.3-2 system that has the TZ v0300 patch > > applied, which updates the time zone info for the new daylight saving > > time dates, you can copy the sys$common:[timezone.system...] tree to a > > 7.3-1 system, then reboot or run UTC$TIME_SETUP to apply the changes. > > > > I doubt VMS engineering would support this kind of use, but in my > > tests it works, and I've seen it work on 7.3 as well. > > > > Support told me to do that same thing. And you are right it isn't supported > but it should work. > I copied the files and ran utc$time_setup. I am waiting to reboot now. > Reboot is required > to reset the timers. Actually, the various flyers indicate that you can stop/start JBC to clear the existing TQEs for April. I have a PDF at work I can e-mail to you. Is your e-mail o.k. in the headers of the newsgroup post? If so, I may be able to send it from work. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 2007 13:07:50 -0800 From: "DaveG" Subject: Re: Manual DST change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 Message-ID: <1171400870.506334.104520@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On Feb 13, 1:29 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > The "instructions" for OpenVMS V7.3-1 say: > > STEPS > 1. Copy your US_EASTERN. file from the patch directory and place into the > SYS$COMMON:[000000.SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.US] directory. > > > > NOTE: SYS$COMMON:[000000.SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.CANADA] for Canadian > customers. > > 2. *IF* running DTSS, then issue: > $ @SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE and select option 5 > > [5] Configure Timezone Differential Factor > > And follow the instructions. This will correct the four SYS$TIMEZONE* > logicals immediately and change the "next TDF" time within DTSS to > reflect > the March 11th date for 2007. You are now finished. > > 3. *IF* running AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1: > $ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM ! follow the menu appropriately. > $ @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN ! reboot the machine > > This will correct the four SYS$TIMEZONE* logicals, correct the rule > listed > in the file TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM, and create appropriate Timer Queue > Entries > (TQEs) under the JOB_CONTROL process for the next time change. > > $ SHOW LOGICAL/FULL/SYSTEM SYS$TIMEZONE* > > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) [kernel] [shareable,system] > [Protection=(RWC,RWC,R,R)] [Owner=[SYSTEM]] > > "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" [exec] = "-18000"> > > < I am not running DTSS.> > > > $ DIFF SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM > ************ > File SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM;11 > 36 $ DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE INITIALIZE "EST5EDT4,M3.2.0/02,M11.1.0/02" > 37 $ > ****** > File SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM;10 > 36 $ DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE INITIALIZE "EST5EDT4,M4.1.0/02,M10.5.0/02" > 37 $ > ************ > > and in its comments, it refers to: > > $! $SYS$SYSTEM:TDF$SET_TIMEZONE.EXE creates four exec-mode system logical > names: > $! > $! SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE > $! the rule identified here (used in the UTC library) > $! SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL > $! the Timezone Differential Factor in > $! seconds ahead of UTC (ISO notation) > $! (the Americas have negative TDF) > $! SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME > $! the designation for standard or dst time > $! SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING > $! 0 = standard time, > $! 1 = daylight saving (summer) time > $! > > but since > > $ SHOW LOGICAL NET$DISABLE_DTSS > "NET$DISABLE_DTSS" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > > the command file TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM does not execute > $ DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE := $SYS$SYSTEM:TDF$SET_TIMEZONE.EXE > $ DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE INITIALIZE "EST5EDT4,M3.2.0/02,M11.1.0/02" > > > === > > So are the other three logicals only for DTSS or what? > > David J Dachtera > > To > 01/29/2007 09:41 PM Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > cc > > Subject > Re: Manual DST change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 > > > > > > > > ksr...@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > wrote in message > >news:1170109541.483535.217060@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > > > If you have access to a 7.3-2 system that has the TZ v0300 patch > > > applied, which updates the time zone info for the new daylight saving > > > time dates, you can copy the sys$common:[timezone.system...] tree to a > > > 7.3-1 system, then reboot or run UTC$TIME_SETUP to apply the changes. > > > > I doubt VMS engineering would support this kind of use, but in my > > > tests it works, and I've seen it work on 7.3 as well. > > > Support told me to do that same thing. And you are right it isn't > supported > > but it should work. > > I copied the files and ran utc$time_setup. I am waiting to reboot now. > > Reboot is required > > to reset the timers. > > Actually, the various flyers indicate that you can stop/start JBC to clear > the > existing TQEs for April. I have a PDF at work I can e-mail to you. Is your > e-mail o.k. in the headers of the newsgroup post? If so, I may be able to > send > it from work. > > -- > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systemshttp://www.djesys.com/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Pagehttp://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Norm, I believe you need all 4 sys$timezone logicals ( daylight_saving, differential, name, rule ). Hoff corrected me a few months ago when I said we don't use DTSS. He said: You have DTSS; that's the default timekeeping mechanism in V7.3 and later for DECnet-Plus, for TCP/IP Services, for the CRTL and for OpenVMS itself. The DTSS mechanisms were integrated into OpenVMS itself. It's the basis for the automatic DST change, too. Dave... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:57:22 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Manual DST change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 Message-ID: "DaveG" wrote on 02/13/2007 04:07:50 PM: > On Feb 13, 1:29 pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: > > The "instructions" for OpenVMS V7.3-1 say: > > > > STEPS > > 1. Copy your US_EASTERN. file from the patch directory and place into the > > SYS$COMMON:[000000.SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.US] directory. > > > > > > > > NOTE: SYS$COMMON:[000000.SYS$ZONEINFO.SYSTEM.CANADA] for Canadian > > customers. > > > > 2. *IF* running DTSS, then issue: > > $ @SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE and select option 5 > > > > [5] Configure Timezone Differential Factor > > > > And follow the instructions. This will correct the four SYS$TIMEZONE* > > logicals immediately and change the "next TDF" time within DTSS to > > reflect > > the March 11th date for 2007. You are now finished. > > > > 3. *IF* running AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV = 1: > > $ @SYS$STARTUP:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM ! follow the menu appropriately. > > $ @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN ! reboot the machine > > > > This will correct the four SYS$TIMEZONE* logicals, correct the rule > > listed > > in the file TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM, and create appropriate Timer Queue > > Entries > > (TQEs) under the JOB_CONTROL process for the next time change. > > > > > $ SHOW LOGICAL/FULL/SYSTEM SYS$TIMEZONE* > > > > (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) [kernel] [shareable,system] > > [Protection=(RWC,RWC,R,R)] [Owner=[SYSTEM]] > > > > "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" [exec] = "-18000"> > > > > < I am not running DTSS.> > > > > > > > $ DIFF SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM > > ************ > > File SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM;11 > > 36 $ DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE INITIALIZE "EST5EDT4,M3.2.0/02,M11.1.0/02" > > 37 $ > > ****** > > File SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM;10 > > 36 $ DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE INITIALIZE "EST5EDT4,M4.1.0/02,M10.5.0/02" > > 37 $ > > ************ > > > > and in its comments, it refers to: > > > > $! $SYS$SYSTEM:TDF$SET_TIMEZONE.EXE creates four exec-mode system logical > > names: > > $! > > $! SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE > > $! the rule identified here (used in the UTC library) > > $! SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL > > $! the Timezone Differential Factor in > > $! seconds ahead of UTC (ISO notation) > > $! (the Americas have negative TDF) > > $! SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME > > $! the designation for standard or dst time > > $! SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING > > $! 0 = standard time, > > $! 1 = daylight saving (summer) time > > $! > > > > but since > > > > $ SHOW LOGICAL NET$DISABLE_DTSS > > "NET$DISABLE_DTSS" = "1" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) > > > > the command file TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM does not execute > > $ DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE := $SYS$SYSTEM:TDF$SET_TIMEZONE.EXE > > $ DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE INITIALIZE "EST5EDT4,M3.2.0/02,M11.1.0/02" > > > > > === > > > > So are the other three logicals only for DTSS or what? > > > > David J Dachtera > > > > To > > 01/29/2007 09:41 PM Info-...@Mvb. > Saic.Com > > cc > > > > Subject > > Re: Manual DST > change on Alpha VMS 7.3-1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ksr...@bellsouth.net wrote: > > > > > wrote in message > > >news:1170109541.483535.217060@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > > > > If you have access to a 7.3-2 system that has the TZ v0300 patch > > > > applied, which updates the time zone info for the new daylight saving > > > > time dates, you can copy the sys$common:[timezone.system...] tree to a > > > > 7.3-1 system, then reboot or run UTC$TIME_SETUP to apply the changes. > > > > > > I doubt VMS engineering would support this kind of use, but in my > > > > tests it works, and I've seen it work on 7.3 as well. > > > > > Support told me to do that same thing. And you are right it isn't > > supported > > > but it should work. > > > I copied the files and ran utc$time_setup. I am waiting to reboot now. > > > Reboot is required > > > to reset the timers. > > > > Actually, the various flyers indicate that you can stop/start JBC to clear > > the > > existing TQEs for April. I have a PDF at work I can e-mail to you. Is your > > e-mail o.k. in the headers of the newsgroup post? If so, I may be able to > > send > > it from work. > > > > -- > > David J Dachtera > > dba DJE Systemshttp://www.djesys.com/ > > > > Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Pagehttp://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ > > > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > > > > Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ > > > > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/- > Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > Norm, > > I believe you need all 4 sys$timezone logicals ( daylight_saving, > differential, name, rule ). Hoff corrected me a few months ago when I > said we don't use DTSS. He said: > > > You have DTSS; that's the default timekeeping mechanism in V7.3 > and > later for DECnet-Plus, for TCP/IP Services, for the CRTL and for > OpenVMS > itself. The DTSS mechanisms were integrated into OpenVMS itself. > It's > the basis for the automatic DST change, too. > > > Dave... > > Dave, I would never challenge Hoff, but I got through 2006 DST changes exactly as configured now. I do not use DECnet-Plus (I use Phase IV), I do not use TCP/IP Services (I use Multinet), and the DTSS logical is off, so the command file - as noted - never runs the DTSS stuff. I do have "MULTINET_TIMEZONE" = "EST". I need to run the UTC$TIME_SETUP on the Monday after, to reset the factor. I suspect the XNTP service may be fixing the time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:43:22 GMT From: ChrisQuayle Subject: Re: Migrating C application from VMS to LINUX Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <2b80$45d1c077$cef8887a$18417@teksavvy.com>, > JF Mezei writes: > >>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> >>>Just out of curiosity, How long can your business continue to >>>operate if your VMS system went down tomorrow and you could not >>>replace the part that failed? >> >>Spare parts for VAX and Alphas are plentiful if you know where to look for >>them. > > > For hobbyists, maybe. But many businesses can not/will not deal with > anyone but primaries. No Ebay, no 9to5computer, And, if the part is > no longer being manufactured by the primary, you can not plan on it > being available when you need it. Not from any source!! As I said, > unless you have replacement parts for everything in your system on site, > or you can rely on HP to have available parts and be willing/able to > deliver them in a timely manner, you do not have a system you can rely > on. How much does your business rely in your IS? How long can you > survive if it went down today? Hobbyists need not reply!! > > bill > One reason to port sooner than later is cost. Software development is very labour intensive and the labour is expensive... Chris ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 2007 19:14:22 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Migrating C application from VMS to LINUX Message-ID: <53eh0dF1s9r27U1@mid.individual.net> In article <45D206F2.2000608@comcast.net>, "Richard B. gilbert" writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <2b80$45d1c077$cef8887a$18417@teksavvy.com>, >> JF Mezei writes: >> >>>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> >>>>Just out of curiosity, How long can your business continue to >>>>operate if your VMS system went down tomorrow and you could not >>>>replace the part that failed? >>> >>>Spare parts for VAX and Alphas are plentiful if you know where to look for >>>them. >> >> >> For hobbyists, maybe. But many businesses can not/will not deal with >> anyone but primaries. No Ebay, no 9to5computer > > > It may be good policy if you can afford it. The last business I worked > for was glad to buy on e-Bay. We saved many dollars in a too small > budget by bargain hunting on e-Bay. Interesting business model. I can not buy anything without putting together my justification, including cost and submitting it. Could take several weeks to get approval (which is why I don't get to go to things like conferences any more. If you wait two weeks the cost of airfare goes up and no longer matches the propsal.) How do you deal with Ebay bids when you don't know the company will pay for it if you win? And then you have all the real companies that require any capital purchase (and computer equipment, even PC's in most cases, comes under that) be done with an RFP and bids. > We just added the equipment to our > service contract; HP didn't care where we got it and "old money-bags" > was happy with the $ outcome. Sounds like a typical "one man operation" to me. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:56:34 -0600 From: pechter@pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) Subject: Re: Migrating C application from VMS to LINUX Message-ID: In article <53eh0dF1s9r27U1@mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon wrote: >In article <45D206F2.2000608@comcast.net>, > "Richard B. gilbert" writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> In article <2b80$45d1c077$cef8887a$18417@teksavvy.com>, >>> JF Mezei writes: >>> >>>>Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>> >>>>>Just out of curiosity, How long can your business continue to >>>>>operate if your VMS system went down tomorrow and you could not >>>>>replace the part that failed? >>>> >>>>Spare parts for VAX and Alphas are plentiful if you know where to look for >>>>them. >>> >>> >>> For hobbyists, maybe. But many businesses can not/will not deal with >>> anyone but primaries. No Ebay, no 9to5computer >> >> >> It may be good policy if you can afford it. The last business I worked >> for was glad to buy on e-Bay. We saved many dollars in a too small >> budget by bargain hunting on e-Bay. > >Interesting business model. I can not buy anything without putting >together my justification, including cost and submitting it. Could >take several weeks to get approval (which is why I don't get to go >to things like conferences any more. If you wait two weeks the cost >of airfare goes up and no longer matches the propsal.) How do you >deal with Ebay bids when you don't know the company will pay for it >if you win? And then you have all the real companies that require >any capital purchase (and computer equipment, even PC's in most cases, >comes under that) be done with an RFP and bids. > A lot of stuff is in the under $100 range... so that's just expensed. Stuff under $1k was fairly easy to buy used from the internet second hand suppliers. I picked up the Sun Ultra60 box we used for a porting job -- from Solaris 8 to Solaris 9 -- for about $600.00 from a reseller. It arrived trashed by the shipper as did the second one. I made one good box and shipped them back the remains as per a phone call to them. Still worked out well and is running to this day with Solaris 9. Got the real target boxes from Sun about a month or two later because of the red tape -- but the code was a lot closer to final test by then. >> We just added the equipment to our >> service contract; HP didn't care where we got it and "old money-bags" >> was happy with the $ outcome. > >Sounds like a typical "one man operation" to me. > There are no TYPICAL "one man operations." Our company was under 100 people (any more details and my old mgmt. would have a fit. It's different if you're involved with any Government services, contracting or development. >bill > >-- >Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves >bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >University of Scranton | >Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include Bill -- -- "When I think back on all the crap I learned in Vax school It's a wonder I fixed anything at all." (to the tune of Kodachrome) pechter-at-ureach.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 2007 23:28:52 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 Message-ID: <53evtkF1sr9t1U1@mid.individual.net> In article , dittman@dittman.net writes: > I'm in need of the OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 installation CD. Does > anyone have a copy available I could borrow? Pretty good chance that I have that at the office. If I don't see anything saying you found one I will look when I get into the office again. Could be tomorrow, but depending on weather might ot be til Thursday. (A bunch of places have already announced their closing for tomorrow but my employer won't make that decision til morning no matter how much snow falls tonite!!) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:05:24 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:12:54 -0800, wrote: > I'm in need of the OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H2 or -1H3 installation CD. Does > anyone have a copy available I could borrow? I have 6.2 dated May 1995 if it helps. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Feb 2007 20:26:31 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: X Windows App Message-ID: <45d21ef7$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1171389358.513434.209100@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, "DJ" writes: >All, > >Since I am new to OpenVMS I would like to make sure I am not missing >something in my OpenVMS environment that would be causing me not to >run X Windows applications remotely. I have been reading a non-VMS >specific Xlib threads but have not found a solution. > >I have Cygwin running on my workstation connecting to one of my Linux >servers. From my linux server I connect to a client's Linux server >via a command similar to: > > ssh -X me@them > >I can then run something like xclock on their Linux box and have it >display. I then run on their Linux box: > > xhost +vms_host_name_here (or xhost +) > >And then telnet to the OpenVMS box. If I now run (found on Internet >this morning): > > create /term /detach > >I receive: > > Xlib: connection to "_WSA54:" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified Who is setting the display device (if you login via TELNET)? If you login via SSH -X then the SSH server does it, but with TELNET you have to do it (by hand, in LOGIN.COM or in SYLOGIN.COM) yourself. > Device: WSA54: [super] > Node: SUSE64 > Transport: TCPIP > Server: 0 > Screen: 0 > >Seeing the above output I am guessing that whoever set up my OpenVMS >login environment has it set up correctly, but was wondering if there >is something else I could or should look at or is this an issue with >the Linux server? The Linux system administrator for this client left >a few weeks ago so I will have to poke around on the Linux box if need >be. I hope I provided all of the pertinent information. Any >suggestions would be appreciated. Why not trying to connect to the X11 server on the linux box first "$ TELNET suse64 6000" and see if the connection could be established at all... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:53:27 -0800 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: X Windows App Message-ID: <53fbt6F1sjbo5U1@mid.individual.net> DJ wrote: > All, > > Since I am new to OpenVMS I would like to make sure I am not missing > something in my OpenVMS environment that would be causing me not to > run X Windows applications remotely. I have been reading a non-VMS > specific Xlib threads but have not found a solution. > > I have Cygwin running on my workstation connecting to one of my Linux > servers. From my linux server I connect to a client's Linux server > via a command similar to: > > ssh -X me@them > > I can then run something like xclock on their Linux box and have it > display. I then run on their Linux box: > > xhost +vms_host_name_here (or xhost +) > > And then telnet to the OpenVMS box. If I now run (found on Internet > this morning): > > create /term /detach > > I receive: > > Xlib: connection to "_WSA54:" refused by server > Xlib: No protocol specified > > %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open display > > If I run: > > show display > > I see: > > Device: WSA54: [super] > Node: SUSE64 > Transport: TCPIP > Server: 0 > Screen: 0 I suspect the problem is here, with the default server and screen number (zero). On the linux box, before you telnet to VMS, # echo $DISPLAY. I expect you'll see something like: windowsbox.domain:12.0 or some such. At the moment, I don't recall which order the server and screen come in the ":x.y", but the non-zero value will be the server number. You need to use that when creating the display on the VMS side. That, in turn, makes it difficult to create the display automatically in a procedure. On the linux box I was accessing (as an intermediary), there were a pair of files created when I logged in, one of which was named .display (or similar). I would rcp this file to the VMS box whenever I logged into linux, then on login to VMS, I could read that file and pick out the correct parameters for the SET DISPLAY. (That linux system also required xauth, so there was another file with the mit-magic-cookie that the VMS side needed in order to correctly set up xauth on the display... something you won't need here...) Regards, Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.089 ************************