INFO-VAX Wed, 29 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 585 Contents: Re: Banana Republic (was Re: OpenVMS Book Wins award) Re: DCPS setpagedevice PS error on a Xerox WCP 35 Re: EST Fubar Re: EST Fubar Re: Fortran, debugger and Alpha/VMS 7.3-2 Re: Fortran, debugger and Alpha/VMS 7.3-2 Re: Happy Anniversary VMS - 30 years young Re: How can you monitor which process/executable accesses a global section secti Re: HP *is* celebrating 30 years of OpenVMS Re: HP *is* celebrating 30 years of OpenVMS Re: Java for OpenVMS registration for download broken OpenVMS Book Wins award Re: Seamonkey browser port for Alpha now available Re: Seamonkey browser port for Alpha now available Re: Seamonkey browser port for Alpha now available Re: Seamonkey browser port for Alpha now available Re: Seamonkey browser port for Alpha now available Re: Seamonkey browser port for Alpha now available Re: Seamonkey browser port for Alpha now available Re: Submit to run at 01:05 after EDT becomes EST Re: Submit to run at 01:05 after EDT becomes EST Re: Submit to run at 01:05 after EDT becomes EST Re: test: is google groups stuck Re: When was "Line editing" introduced? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:31:35 +1030 From: Mark Daniel Subject: Re: Banana Republic (was Re: OpenVMS Book Wins award) Message-ID: <0118206d$0$20660$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Richard Maher wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Thanks for the reply. > >> I bought it through Barnes and Noble in late May '08 for US$36.00 plus >> US$13.00 P&P, and I think my credit card statement said something like >> AU$52.00 so it was right at the 'peak'. Why the AU$ currently should be >> at US$0.65 now escapes me - perhaps that's one reason I'm still working >> for wages. > > I looked seriously at Perth Mint gold in August (when the bank deposit > guarantee was sweet FA) and Foreign Currency accounts aren't as common here > as they are in the UK. Either way I would (and have) lost big time - but > haven't we all :-( > >> That any network connectivity has some sandboxing doesn't exactly >> surprise me. > > Me either! I'm a big fan of the same-origin, or codebase, policy for Applets > but these guys just want to keep pushing the envelope. I noted the post on Adobe policy files. >> A network conduit (like SSH or HTTP CONNECT) is carte >> blanche for whatever the agent wishes to transfer. No constraint would >> be considered negligence. > > Yeah, but here I bow ;-) > to your much greater experience and ask "What the hell > can a *Socket not HTTP* proxy-server do for me?". Isn't a(n IP) socket proxy that doesn't explicitly talk HTTP during setup a one-to-one NAT router? And if accepting external connection requests, a static port mapping NAT router, into/through the DMZ and onto internal services? And so forth through the NAT variants. > Look I wanted a HTTP > CONNECT handshake to give me a Tunnel for my Socket over a httpS connection > to an arbitray TCP/IP server, but it doesn't look doable; please advise. I can but reframe my previous comment; unconstrained connectivity from browser based applications is surely like signing a full book of blank cheques. > I also view with interest what the Comet guys are doing with Orbited (see > www.cometdaily.com for some background) as they don't seem to be bound by > (or have already solved) these proxy-server restrictions. AIUI; Orbited is a service used to accept Web-style socket connection requests from browsers, establish Comet-style, bidirectional communication with the browser, then proxy (or forward, or gateway, or ) that communication via a TCP socket to the requested end-point. Without some sort of access control it functions as an open relay - carte blanche. With access control it's a lot like most CONNECT proxy, or at least CONNECT reverse-proxy. Of course it's a bit more than that (but isn't everything!) Until Web Sockets become commonplace it uses a number of approaches to *emulate* asynchronous comms with current browsers. AIUI; Comet is a broad term used to described leveraging HTTP server-push of unsolicited/unpolled/asynchronous data to the browser, using existing HTTP technologies, most commonly, though not restricted to, streaming of a series individual response data 'inside' a persisting HTTP connection, currently via 'long polling' and XMLhttpRequest() or