INFO-VAX Tue, 30 Sep 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 528 Contents: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Login.template silly problem... Re: Login.template silly problem... Re: mounting USB Sandisk Re: mounting USB Sandisk Re: mounting USB Sandisk Re: mounting USB Sandisk Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far RE: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far OT: Understanding Moore's Law Re: SSH break-in attempts WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work Re: WRITEV does not work ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:53:12 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: <00A80651.AB22D074@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <31684607-f769-4224-8c81-74cf93afaaeb@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >On Sep 29, 8:36=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob >Koehler) wrote: >> In article ..com>, AEF writes: >> >> >> >> > Yes, I know that. But what's the difference between saving sensitive >> > information when running the RECALL command at a DCL prompt compared >> > to running it from within a command procedure? In both cases, the >> > secret information is written to disk. So why is the former okay but >> > not the latter? >> >> =A0 =A0It makes it impossible to automate a potential security mistake. > >There is a trade-off between functionality and risk, and in my >situation, the functionality of being able to run RECALL in a command >procedure would greatly, even fantastically exceed any risk. I can >guarantee you that on my systems it would not be a problem. You can always write your own recall buffer dump and or recall buffer manipulator for use in your own DCL environment. It's not difficult. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:24:07 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Login.template silly problem... Message-ID: Hello everyone, I've just noticed that there are some significant differences among the SYS$MANAGER:LOGIN.TEMPLATE files in V7.2 (both VAX and Alpha), V7.3 (VAX), V8.2 (Alpha), V8.3 (Alpha), and probably other releases as well. V7.x file contains the following: $ SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN YES NO LATER NO NONE" $ REBOOT == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN YES NO LATER YES NONE" V8.x file instead contains: $ SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN NO YES LATER NO NONE" $ REBOOT == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN NO YES LATER YES NONE" Apart from different spacing, the third and fourth values are swapped, but it's my understanding that the SHUTDOWN.COM procedure parameters have not changed meaning or position since at least V4.x. Is that a by-design change? Am I right or I'm missing something? Does someone here can check on other releases (V5.x, AXP V1.x, V6.x) and confirm that the third parameter is about disk volumes spindown while the fourth one is about SYSHUTDWN.COM execution, no matter which is the actual operating system version and release? I'm wondering about how many sites are maybe using those wrong (?) definitions with no apparent side effects and if this has ever been noticed in field... Thanks, G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Login.template silly problem... Message-ID: On Sep 30, 9:24=A0am, gerr...@no.spam.mail.com wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've just noticed that there are some significant differences among the > SYS$MANAGER:LOGIN.TEMPLATE files in V7.2 (both VAX and Alpha), V7.3 (VAX)= , > V8.2 (Alpha), V8.3 (Alpha), and probably other releases as well. > > V7.x file contains the following: > > $ SHUTDOWN =A0=3D=3D "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN YES NO LATER NO NON= E" > $ REBOOT =3D=3D "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN YES NO LATER YES NONE" > > V8.x file instead contains: > > $ =A0SHUTDOWN =A0 =A0 =3D=3D "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN NO YES LATE= R NO NONE" > $ =A0REBOOT =A0 =A0 =A0 =3D=3D "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN NO YES LA= TER YES NONE" > > Apart from different spacing, the third and fourth values are swapped, bu= t > it's my understanding that the SHUTDOWN.COM procedure parameters have not > changed meaning or position since at least V4.x. Is that a by-design chan= ge? > > Am I right or I'm missing something? Does someone here can check on other > releases (V5.x, AXP V1.x, V6.x) and confirm that the third parameter is a= bout > disk volumes spindown while the fourth one is about SYSHUTDWN.COM executi= on, > no matter which is the actual operating system version and release? > > I'm wondering about how many sites are maybe using those wrong (?) defini= tions > with no apparent side effects and if this has ever been noticed in field.= .. > > Thanks, > G. If you search SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM you should be able to figure out what each param is for. Run commands such as $ SEARCH SHUTDOWN.COM /WINDOW /NUM "MANY MIN" Just search for substrings of the questions SHUTDOWN.COM as in the command above and you will know the answer to your question. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:56:04 -0400 From: "forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam" Subject: Re: mounting USB Sandisk Message-ID: "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.uh9n7fiyhv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... >I initialized /gpt on a RX2620 runing 1H1 and mounted it with > /cluster, but it only gets mounted on that box. Why? > There are capabilities needed for MSCP serving that are not in the driver. DNDRIVER is only tested and qualified for the built in DVD drives in the 2660, 3600, 6600, and for vMdeia in these boxes and on Blades. Anything else you are on your own. > I see on ebay 16GB devices going for about $30. How reliable > as storage can it be, alpha particles aside? > > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMS > www.kednos.com Forrest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: mounting USB Sandisk Message-ID: <0795771c-b90c-43e7-809f-00593d15e8c1@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Sep 30, 12:43 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > I initialized /gpt on a RX2620 runing 1H1 and mounted it with > /cluster, but it only gets mounted on that box. Why? > > I see on ebay 16GB devices going for about $30. How reliable > as storage can it be, alpha particles aside? > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com Ebay is awash with fake (but sometimes very convincing) flash. In this case, I wouldn't go near it with my money. YMMV. Reputable suppliers may charge a little more but may also offer you a refund (rather than vanishing) if you end up with a dud. Wrt reliability: depends on your use. Flash wears out after enough writes, so it's perhaps not appropriate for frequently-updated stuff. On the other hand, as an occasional data transport medium: probably fine, especially if you do a read-after-write check of some form, or use BACKUP savesets with redundancy info (?), if you care about data integrity. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:52:22 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: mounting USB Sandisk Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:56:04 -0700, forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam wrote: > > "Tom Linden" wrote in message > news:op.uh9n7fiyhv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... >> I initialized /gpt on a RX2620 runing 1H1 and mounted it with >> /cluster, but it only gets mounted on that box. Why? >> > There are capabilities needed for MSCP serving that are not in the > driver. Any plans to do so? BTW, what is the transfer rate on USB? > > DNDRIVER is only tested and qualified for the built in DVD drives > in the 2660, 3600, 6600, and for vMdeia in these boxes and on Blades. > Anything else you are on your own. > >> I see on ebay 16GB devices going for about $30. How reliable >> as storage can it be, alpha particles aside? >> >> >> -- >> PL/I for OpenVMS >> www.kednos.com > > Forrest > > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:57:57 -0400 From: "forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam" Subject: Re: mounting USB Sandisk Message-ID: "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.uiat9kr2hv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:56:04 -0700, forrret.kenney@hp.com_nospam > wrote: > >> >> "Tom Linden" wrote in message >> news:op.uh9n7fiyhv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... >>> I initialized /gpt on a RX2620 runing 1H1 and mounted it with >>> /cluster, but it only gets mounted on that box. Why? >>> >> There are capabilities needed for MSCP serving that are not in the >> driver. > > Any plans to do so? BTW, what is the transfer rate on USB? No to the MSCP question. The answer is it depends upon a number of factors. Theoretical is about 30Mbs a second best we have seen for mixed reads and writes is 7-9 Mbs. These tests were to SATA disks hooked to a USB to SATA adapter. I don't have any performance data for FLASH. Forrest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:30:57 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: Hi Tom, > Why on earth would VMS engr spend the resources to do this, I mean who > really gives a tinkers damn? Surely you must be familiar with these VMS Jobs (for the boys) Creation Schemes by now? Admittedly, any form of measurable or justifiable ROI or customer demand for such a VMS based Web Browser is one of the more ludicrous pretexts upon which a project has been funded, but hey it got the job done :-( Think of it as the Henry Paulson strategy for distributing all of those lovely VMS license-payer dollars among your mates, cronies, and relatives. You socialize the pain (lack of XHR$ library, no viable GUI let alone web-migration path for 3GLs, and no future) then you privateer the income whilst being accountable to nowt! What I particularly like about the strategy being employed by VMS Middle Management is the purity of its cynicism. There is clearly too much money to launder in single chunks, so the decree has gone down that all projects must have at least one 180 degree vacillation: - . TDMS DECforms . ONC/RPC DCE/RPC . BridgeWorks WSIT . SOAP/Toolkit Axis2 . NetBeans [Eclipse] . Mozilla SeaMonkey And even then (apart from the forms products) nobody out there is using any of this shit :-( The silver-lining here may just well be found in cut-backs and layoffs. Axis2 and the new SWB have arrived and development is winding down; add to this the surplus of staff after EDS was aquired and I'd say the grim-reaper is spoilt for choice. Maybe this is a good time for the IMM Team to expand the gSOAP development, or switch it to GlassFish? Hold on, maybe EDS has their own Useless Twat Dept? (If so then HP/VMS can get rid of another building with the synergy right there!) Regards Richard Maher "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.uh9t4tnahv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... > On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:31:28 -0700, JF Mezei > wrote: > > > Rich Jordan wrote: > > > >> seem to be a defined 'break' between "Mozilla for Alpha" being > >> unsupported and "Secure Web Browser" for Itanium being supported. > > > > > > I think that a timeline may explain: > > > > The Compaq Secure Web Browser was the proprietary implementation of > > Mozilla that was compiled/packaged for VMS. I don't think that VMS > > existed on those IA64 things yet. > > > > Since then, the Mozilla group abandonned the Mozilla product and forked > > it into Firefox and Thunderbird. But a group of devoted folks decided to > > resurrect the Mozilla (aka: Netscape) source and started the Seamonkey > > project which is ongoing. > > > > So today, since "Mozilla" is no longer developped, it is normal that HP > > might not wish to call the CSWB product "supported". > > > > > > As to whether new development of Seamonkey on VMS might come to Alpha, > > this is an interesting question. If this is still beta, I could > > understand that it would be on a single platform, and once beta is done, > > they may cross compile the whole kit and kaboodle onto Alpha. (building > > the beast is very involved and requires a whole lot of middleware not > > only for the code, but also to modify/generate code for that platform. > > Why on earth would VMS engr spend the resources to do this, I mean who > really > gives a tinkers damn? And while we're at it, drop CSWB, we have WASD, > which > is far better supported. Seamonkey, BTW, was a scam marketing scheme to > sell > exoctic ceatures to young kids (my daugher had me get her some) they are > krill. > (I think) > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMS > www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:52:44 -0700 (PDT) From: urbancamo Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: <228a620a-550f-405b-9e25-7e1d93310a44@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> I have downloaded the Beta and it works very nicely - appears to be stable. I don't get involved in politics where I can help it but it seems to me that there needs to be at least one native web browser supported under VMS, and equally a modern email client. Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: urbancamo Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: <29cffa3f-6dfa-47b3-af36-abf28bc30ad0@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Is the source code not available for the OpenVMS port? I am assuming that the mozilla licensing requires the source code to be published for derivatives, but I could be wrong. If this is the case then presumably someone could compile up an alpha version. Regards, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:14:02 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: In article , Rich Jordan writes: >Ian posted this on openvms.org > >http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=08/09/29/1132349 > >"field test version of HP Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS (based on >SeaMonkey V1.1-10)" > >========== > >The story doesn't mention platforms but the HP page only has info on >an Itanium version. > >Seamonkey is the integrated application successor to Mozilla, not the >VMS Firefox port that was mentioned quite a while ago. > >I did not see any mention of the product being available for Alpha >platforms, but I haven't read through all the docs yet. There does >seem to be a defined 'break' between "Mozilla for Alpha" being >unsupported and "Secure Web Browser" for Itanium being supported. No >mention in that one doc about "Secure Web Browser for Alpha" that I'm >currently running. Have they renamed it back to Mozilla? > >From the document Q&A: > >Q: What are the differences between the Secure Web Browser and Mozilla >for OpenVMS? > >A: The Secure Web Browser is supported by HP, but Mozilla for OpenVMS >Alpha is not supported. The Secure Web Browser T1.1-10 is based on >SeaMonkey V1.1.10. > >You can download Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha from the OpenVMS web site >at >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/register_mozilla.html. > > >I hope an Alpha version is coming soon. However the way this is >worded has me thinking they don't plan on it. Since Alpha and Itanium supposedly share a pretty much common codebase it would be surprising if the ported SeaMonkey code couldn't be compiled on both Alpha and Itanium. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:19:04 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:31:28 -0700, JF Mezei > wrote: > >> Rich Jordan wrote: >> >>> seem to be a defined 'break' between "Mozilla for Alpha" being >>> unsupported and "Secure Web Browser" for Itanium being supported. >> >> >> I think that a timeline may explain: >> >> The Compaq Secure Web Browser was the proprietary implementation of >> Mozilla that was compiled/packaged for VMS. I don't think that VMS >> existed on those IA64 things yet. >> >> Since then, the Mozilla group abandonned the Mozilla product and forked >> it into Firefox and Thunderbird. But a group of devoted folks decided to >> resurrect the Mozilla (aka: Netscape) source and started the Seamonkey >> project which is ongoing. >> >> So today, since "Mozilla" is no longer developped, it is normal that HP >> might not wish to call the CSWB product "supported". >> >> >> As to whether new development of Seamonkey on VMS might come to Alpha, >> this is an interesting question. If this is still beta, I could >> understand that it would be on a single platform, and once beta is done, >> they may cross compile the whole kit and kaboodle onto Alpha. (building >> the beast is very involved and requires a whole lot of middleware not >> only for the code, but also to modify/generate code for that platform. > >Why on earth would VMS engr spend the resources to do this, I mean who >really >gives a tinkers damn? And while we're at it, drop CSWB, we have WASD, >which >is far better supported. Seamonkey, BTW, was a scam marketing scheme to >sell >exoctic ceatures to young kids (my daugher had me get her some) they are >krill. >(I think) > Sorry definitely disagree. I want a modern browser on VMS. The sooner SeaMonkey is available for Alpha the better. David Webb Security Team leader CCSS Middlesex University >-- >PL/I for OpenVMS >www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:22:43 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: In article <228a620a-550f-405b-9e25-7e1d93310a44@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, urbancamo writes: >I have downloaded the Beta and it works very nicely - appears to be >stable. > >I don't get involved in politics where I can help it but it seems to >me that there needs to be at least one native web browser supported >under VMS, and equally a modern email client. > >Mark. Mark, Totally Agree. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:23:35 -0400 From: "Ebinger . Eric" Subject: RE: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: <973FC27110E5494CB9460B469A132AB11B4DF6AE26@ANDEXCHANGE.drc.com> -----Original Message----- >From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.company] >Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:52 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ?Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far > gives a tinkers damn? And while we're at it, drop CSWB, we have WASD, >which >is far better supported. Seamonkey, BTW, was a scam marketing scheme to Excuse me? You are saying that since we have a web SERVER on VMS there is = no need for a web BROWSER? Or are you claiming that WASD is a web BROWSER? Eric Ebinger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:26:24 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 04:19:04 -0700, wrote: > Sorry definitely disagree. I want a modern browser on VMS. > The sooner SeaMonkey is available for Alpha the better. Why? What would you use it for? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2008 07:31:26 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: <89sDZ8cxLjwA@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > > Why on earth would VMS engr spend the resources to do this, I mean who > really > gives a tinkers damn? I do. I browse from VMS on a regular basis, without fear of some web site attacking me via IE loopholes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:31:33 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:23:35 -0700, Ebinger . Eric wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.company] >> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:52 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > ?Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far > > >> gives a tinkers damn? And while we're at it, drop CSWB, we have WASD, Sorry, typo, meant CSWS >> which >> is far better supported. Seamonkey, BTW, was a scam marketing scheme to > > > Excuse me? You are saying that since we have a web SERVER on VMS there > is no need for a web BROWSER? Or are you claiming that WASD is a web > BROWSER? > > Eric Ebinger -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: <6ea70f99-2b0d-4a60-93b4-064fddc18a19@v28g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> On Sep 30, 7:31=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" = writes: > > > Why on earth would VMS engr spend the resources to do this, I mean who = =A0 > > really > > gives a tinkers damn? > > =A0 =A0I do. =A0I browse from VMS on a regular basis, without fear of som= e > =A0 =A0web site attacking me via IE loopholes. My primary desktop at home is an Alpha PWS. I also want an up to date browser. At some point my VAXstation at work may no longer meet needs and get replaced, probably by an XP1000 or DS10, at which point I'll want a browser on it for work. Alphas have two major advantages right now for that task (over itaniums). They are more available (hobbyist side, and to be fair, also at work with real licenses) due to cost and 'hand me downs' from ugprades, and they are much more amenable to use in an office environment. Itaniums are bloody noisy and hot, even with the 'office friendly' kits. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: New browser for OpenVMS in field test, Itanium only so far Message-ID: <6bd3e4b3-27ec-411d-bf59-1bcaf3a8aa53@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Sep 29, 10:17=A0pm, Rich Jordan wrote: > Ian posted this on openvms.org > > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=3D08/09/29/1132349 > > "field test version of HP Secure Web Browser for OpenVMS (based on > SeaMonkey V1.1-10)" > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > The story doesn't mention platforms but the HP page only has info on > an Itanium version. > > Seamonkey is the integrated application successor to Mozilla, not the > VMS Firefox port that was mentioned quite a while ago. > > I did not see any mention of the product being available for Alpha > platforms, but I haven't read through all the docs yet. =A0There does > seem to be a defined 'break' between "Mozilla for Alpha" being > unsupported and "Secure Web Browser" for Itanium being supported. =A0No > mention in that one doc about "Secure Web Browser for Alpha" that I'm > currently running. =A0Have they renamed it back to Mozilla? > > From the document Q&A: > > Q: What are the differences between the Secure Web Browser and Mozilla > for OpenVMS? > > A: The Secure Web Browser is supported by HP, but Mozilla for OpenVMS > Alpha is not supported. The Secure Web Browser T1.1-10 is based on > SeaMonkey V1.1.10. > > You can download Mozilla for OpenVMS Alpha from the OpenVMS web site > athttp://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/register_mozilla.html. > > I hope an Alpha version is coming soon. =A0However the way this is > worded has me thinking they don't plan on it. I'm told there will be a kit for OpenVMS Alpha. The port of a browser based on Firefox is a separate project and has not yet released anything publicly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: OT: Understanding Moore's Law Message-ID: <9fc33605-7ee9-4f29-9e5f-5c237da6a347@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Understanding Moore's Law http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/moore.ars Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:25:22 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: SSH break-in attempts Message-ID: <48e260d2$0$21809$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> "Peter Weaver" schreef in bericht news:EE570C7FB01648E9A57E90AEB75498DB@CHARONLAP... > >... >> OK, I'll admit my ignorance :-) I thought I had just one problem after >> upgrading to TCPIP V5.7, >> apparently I've got (at least) two... >> 1) I can no longer use PuTTY in SSH mode after the upgrade >> 2) how do I disable Version 1? >> Hans > > HP's SSH is Version 2 so you do not have to worry about Version 1. > > Has V5.7 been released now? I am still using T5.7 and I had no problems > with > SSH when I upgraded from V5.6 on both Alpha and IA64. What problems are > you > seeing with SSH? > Peter, no, I'm at TCPIP V5.6 eco 2. Sorry. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ramon Jimenez Subject: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: <9d85db68-839f-410e-b3df-902c1dc1dc1b@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> We are orting an app from VAX to Itanium. I've one screen that shows info by using WRITEV. On the old plattform it works but in the new one only the first column is written. If we use WRITELN the information is written, No change has been done to the code, only has been recompiled on the new plattform Regards ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:26:11 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: In article <9d85db68-839f-410e-b3df-902c1dc1dc1b@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Ramon Jimenez writes: >We are orting an app from VAX to Itanium. > >I've one screen that shows info by using WRITEV. > >On the old plattform it works but in the new one only the first column >is written. > >If we use WRITELN the information is written, > >No change has been done to the code, only has been recompiled on the >new plattform Are you referring to Pascal code? If so, which version of the compiler? Could you post a snippet of your code? Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -80464 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ramon Jimenez Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: <3251a39c-31c0-49d3-a9a1-be4c52fe7f25@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Christoph HP Pascal V6.0-107 OPENVMS V8.3 Compiler Options are PASCAL /ALIGN=3DVAX /ENUM=3DBYTE /DEBUG/NOOPTIMIZE/ NOLIST/ I'm tracing back the code, so the same routines are used in several points across the application. Regards > >No change has been done to the code, only has been recompiled on the > >new plattform > > Are you referring to Pascal code? If so, which version of the compiler? > Could you post a snippet of your code? > > Regards, > =A0 =A0Christoph Gartmann > > -- > =A0Max-Planck-Institut fuer =A0 =A0 =A0Phone =A0 : +49-761-5108-464 =A0 F= ax: -80464 > =A0Immunbiologie > =A0Postfach 1169 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Internet: gartmann@immun= bio dot mpg dot de > =A0D-79011 =A0Freiburg, Germany > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2008 07:33:11 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: In article <9d85db68-839f-410e-b3df-902c1dc1dc1b@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Ramon Jimenez writes: > We are orting an app from VAX to Itanium. > > I've one screen that shows info by using WRITEV. > > On the old plattform it works but in the new one only the first column > is written. > > If we use WRITELN the information is written, What the hell are WRITEV and WRITELN? ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2008 12:38:12 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: <6kektkF7h5bdU2@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <9d85db68-839f-410e-b3df-902c1dc1dc1b@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Ramon Jimenez writes: >> We are orting an app from VAX to Itanium. >> >> I've one screen that shows info by using WRITEV. >> >> On the old plattform it works but in the new one only the first column >> is written. >> >> If we use WRITELN the information is written, > > What the hell are WRITEV and WRITELN? WRITELN is Pascal. I suspect WRITEV is either some obscure old VMS extension to Pascal or a locally written procedure which would go a long way in explaining why it is apparently not upward compatable. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2008 13:05:36 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: <6kemh0F7k41sU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <9d85db68-839f-410e-b3df-902c1dc1dc1b@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Ramon Jimenez writes: >> We are orting an app from VAX to Itanium. >> >> I've one screen that shows info by using WRITEV. >> >> On the old plattform it works but in the new one only the first column >> is written. >> >> If we use WRITELN the information is written, > > What the hell are WRITEV and WRITELN? Didn't take much research to verify my previous comment. -------------------------------------------- HP Pascal for OpenVMS Language Reference Manual 8.109 WRITEV Procedure The WRITEV procedure writes characters to a character-string variable of type VARYING OF CHAR or discriminated STRING, by converting the values of the parameters in the procedure call to textual representations. The behavior of WRITEV is similar to that of the WRITELN function; the character-string parameter is similar to a one-line file. ---------------------------------------------- bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:09:17 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: In article <6kektkF7h5bdU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> In article <9d85db68-839f-410e-b3df-902c1dc1dc1b@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Ramon Jimenez writes: >>> We are orting an app from VAX to Itanium. >>> >>> I've one screen that shows info by using WRITEV. >>> >>> On the old plattform it works but in the new one only the first column >>> is written. >>> >>> If we use WRITELN the information is written, >> >> What the hell are WRITEV and WRITELN? > >WRITELN is Pascal. I suspect WRITEV is either some obscure old VMS >extension to Pascal or a locally written procedure which would go a >long way in explaining why it is apparently not upward compatable. It is an extension and I have the impression that the OP doesn't use it correctly. WRITELN writes a line of text to standard output whereas WRITEV writes text into a variable. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -80464 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:16:38 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: <48e25ec5$0$21810$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> "Ramon Jimenez" schreef in bericht news:9d85db68-839f-410e-b3df-902c1dc1dc1b@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > We are orting an app from VAX to Itanium. > > I've one screen that shows info by using WRITEV. > > On the old plattform it works but in the new one only the first column > is written. > > If we use WRITELN the information is written, > > No change has been done to the code, only has been recompiled on the > new plattform > > Regards Is it possible for you to demonstrate the problem with just a small piece of code? or Can you post that part of the code which is of interest (including the declaration of all variables used)? Side question 1: how many characters are written by the WRITEV command? Side question 2: What happens if you append (hard coded) at the end of the WRITEV statement? Hans ------------------------------ Date: 30 Sep 2008 12:24:11 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: WRITEV does not work Message-ID: In article <6kektkF7h5bdU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > WRITELN is Pascal. I suspect WRITEV is either some obscure old VMS > extension to Pascal or a locally written procedure which would go a > long way in explaining why it is apparently not upward compatable. Yea, I thought I recognised WRITELN, but I thought it would be better if the OP told us. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.528 ************************