INFO-VAX Mon, 04 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 423 Contents: Re: "Network tape drive" for VMS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS Re: I need help OT: Marketing OpenVMS Playing with pipes Re: Playing with pipes Re: Playing with pipes Re: Playing with pipes Re: Playing with pipes Questions i need answered Re: Questions i need answered Re: Questions i need answered Re: Questions i need answered Re: Questions i need answered Re: Questions i need answered Re: Questions i need answered Re: Questions i need answered TCPIP SET CONF SMTP/OPT=TOP_HEADERS Re: TCPIP SET CONF SMTP/OPT=TOP_HEADERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:16:05 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: "Network tape drive" for VMS Message-ID: wrote in message news:48907b03$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net... > In article , "Syltrem" > writes: >> >>"Albrecht Schlosser" wrote in message >>news:n0t3l5-2ij.ln1@news.hus-software.de... >>> Is there anything available that could be called a >>> "network tape drive" that is supported with >>> >>> (a) OpenVMS / Alpha 7.3-2 >>> (b) OpenVMS / I64, 8.2 or 8.3 ff. ? >>> >>> The reason is to have the backup tape drive separated from the >>> server for easier access to change the backup tapes. >>> >>> Please don't ask, why would you want to do that. It's simply >>> because of a user's request. And this should *not* be another >>> VMS server (cluster node) with a tape drive ;-) >>> >>> Albrecht >> >> >>We hired a service where a person come in every day to change tapes and >>bring the ones from the last backup to the vault. >>Services like this exist everywhere in major cities. >>You don't have to change tapes yourself. As for us, we rarely go to our >>computer room which is 10 minutes from here. Only to push the reset button >>on a windows server once in a while. > > A service that provides secure transportation of vital and privileged > data such as was employed in this case??? > > http://breachblog.com/2008/07/18/bms.aspx > > It's costing BMS a good few pennies now to provide safeguards for its > employee's credit and identity as well as their family's members. > You can always use encryption with backup if this is a problem. Out of the box. BACKUP /ENCRYPT /ENCRYPT=([key] [,ALGORITHM=algorithm]) Creates and restores encrypted save sets. Specify the /ENCRYPT qualifier anywhere on the BACKUP command line. Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:19:57 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: <7f059$489701e4$4c0aab67$17377@TEKSAVVY.COM> "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:4895d3a6$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > > They must know something since they have become as big as they are. A lot of companies that bid on government and large private-sector work survive because of the self-selection processes that government/business have. You have to be a certain size company in order to bid on many contracts, irrespective of the quality, or on-time, on-budget nature of your deliverables. This means that large IT outsourcers like EDS will continue to get business despite the merits of smaller companies who are shut out of the bidding process. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2008 12:20:16 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: In article <7f059$489701e4$4c0aab67$17377@TEKSAVVY.COM>, "John Smith" writes: > > You have to be a certain size company in order to bid on many contracts, > irrespective of the quality, or on-time, on-budget nature of your > deliverables. And some times that size is: no-larger-than. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2008 07:14:09 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: In article , hamilton_n@encompasserve.org writes: > Whenever I try to run the edit program, it says must supported crt, > also how do I get some compilers on my system? EDIT defaults to starting Eve, which is based on TPU. TPU is looking at the same data as "show terminal", which can be set using "set terminal/inquire" on any terminal TPU can support. EDIT/EDT brings up the original EDT, which needs the same terminals as TPU for full screen mode, but can also handle other terminals in line mode. EDIT/TECO brings up TECO, which doesn't care what terminal you're using unless you dig up and use the VTEDIT or similar set of TECO macros. Beware that some terminal emulators, such as aixterm, will respond to "set terminal/inquire" claiming that they are VT100, even though they are not. The one reliable VT100 emulator available on most UNIX is xterm. For compilers, get a license, media, and do the install. Compiler licenses are packed in with all the other layered product licenses if you are a hobbyist. Media you get where you can. Please see the FAQ. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:13:19 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: OT: Marketing OpenVMS Message-ID: I marked this topic as OT because I know that many people (HP employees and management mostly) still here consider marketing OpenVMS as being sacrilegious and not germaine to C.O.V., or to HP for that matter. I offer this link as an example of companies which get it: http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2008/07/28/news/casper/fc1903918fedb9d8872574930020f9ac.txt The students of today are the management of tomorrow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:44:14 -0700 (PDT) From: EJunkermann@googlemail.com Subject: Playing with pipes Message-ID: <35a2bd57-1d9e-448b-90b8-9983b83f0f1d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> I have a program which writes binary data to a file specified on the command line, and miscellaneous information to the screen. If I do this: pipe myprog sys$output | rsh unixbox "cat - > xxxx" I get the two lots of output mixed in file xxxx on the unixbox. What I would like is to send the screen output somewhere else (anywhere else - I don't want it) - there is no space to put the binary data on the VMS machine. I have tried saving the value of sys$output and doing a define/user, but without success. Any suggestions? TIA Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:06:22 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Playing with pipes Message-ID: <08080408062203_20200492@antinode.info> From: EJunkermann@googlemail.com > I have a program which writes binary data to a file specified on the > command line, and miscellaneous information to the screen. Assuming that the program's screen output goes to stdout/sys$output, it would seem that directing the program's binary data to stdout/sys$output as well would be a bad idea. > If I do this: > > pipe myprog sys$output | rsh unixbox "cat - > xxxx" > > I get the two lots of output mixed in file xxxx on the unixbox. I can believe that. > What I would like is to send the screen output somewhere else > (anywhere else - I don't want it) - there is no space to put the > binary data on the VMS machine. > > I have tried saving the value of sys$output and doing a define/user, > but without success. I don't immediately see how you could avoid mixing the streams when you send them both to the same place. > Any suggestions? NFS might provide one way to let you specify an output file on a remote UNIX-like system. Buy a disk for the VMS system? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: EJunkermann@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Playing with pipes Message-ID: <3e2c783a-d0f5-47e4-a4dc-060bb26264cf@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On 4 Aug, 14:06, s...@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > From: EJunkerm...@googlemail.com > > > I have a program which writes binary data to a file specified on the > > command line, and miscellaneous information to the screen. > > =A0 =A0Assuming that the program's screen output goes to stdout/sys$outpu= t, > it would seem that directing the program's binary data to > stdout/sys$output as well would be a bad idea. > > > If I do this: > > > pipe myprog sys$output | rsh unixbox "cat - > xxxx" > > > I get the two lots of output mixed in file xxxx on the unixbox. > > =A0 =A0I can believe that. > > > What I would like is to send the screen output somewhere else > > (anywhere else - I don't want it) - there is no space to put the > > binary data on the VMS machine. > > > I have tried saving the value of sys$output and doing a define/user, > > but without success. > > =A0 =A0I don't immediately see how you could avoid mixing the streams whe= n > you send them both to the same place. Not making self sufficiently clear, apparently - what I was trying was save sys$output define/user sys$output logfile pipe myprog savedsys$output | rsh unixbox "cat - > xxxx" > > > Any suggestions? > > =A0 =A0NFS might provide one way to let you specify an output file on a > remote UNIX-like system. > > =A0 =A0Buy a disk for the VMS system? > Not allowed (either buying a disk or installing NFS) Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 09:35:34 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Playing with pipes Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 004AA8868525749B_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" EJunkermann@googlemail.com wrote on 08/04/2008 08:44:14 AM: > I have a program which writes binary data to a file specified on the > command line, and miscellaneous information to the screen. > > If I do this: > > pipe myprog sys$output | rsh unixbox "cat - > xxxx" > > I get the two lots of output mixed in file xxxx on the unixbox. > > What I would like is to send the screen output somewhere else > (anywhere else - I don't want it) - there is no space to put the > binary data on the VMS machine. > > I have tried saving the value of sys$output and doing a define/user, > but without success. > > Any suggestions? > > TIA > > Eric Is this technique of any value? $ HELP PIPE Examples [...] 5.$ ! TEE.COM - command procedure to display/log data flowing through $ ! a pipeline $ ! Usage: @TEE log-file $ $ OPEN/WRITE tee_file 'P1' $ LOOP: $ READ/END_OF_FILE=EXIT SYS$PIPE LINE $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT LINE ! Send it out to next stage of the pipeline $ WRITE tee_file LINE ! Log output to the log file $ GOTO LOOP $ EXIT: $ CLOSE tee_file $ EXIT This is an example of a pipeline DCL application TEE.COM. The PIPE command to use TEE.COM can be: $ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | @TEE showsys.log | SEARCH SYS$INPUT LEF The command procedure TEE.COM is used to log the data flowing through the pipeline. It reads in the data from SYS$PIPE instead of SYS$INPUT. --=_alternative 004AA8868525749B_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
EJunkermann@googlemail.com wrote on 08/04/2008 08:44:14 AM:

> I have a program which writes binary data to a file specified on the
> command line, and miscellaneous information to the screen.
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> If I do this:
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> pipe myprog sys$output | rsh unixbox "cat - > xxxx"
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> I get the two lots of output mixed in file xxxx on the unixbox.
>
> What I would like is to send the screen output somewhere else
> (anywhere else - I don't want it) - there is no space to put the
> binary data on the VMS machine.
>
> I have tried saving the value of sys$output and doing a define/user,
> but without success.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> TIA
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> Eric

Is this technique of any value?

$ HELP PIPE Examples

[...]
       5.$ ! TEE.COM - command procedure to display/log data flowing through
         $ !           a pipeline
         $ ! Usage: @TEE log-file
         $
         $ OPEN/WRITE  tee_file 'P1'
         $ LOOP:
         $  READ/END_OF_FILE=EXIT  SYS$PIPE LINE
         $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT LINE ! Send it out to next stage of the pipeline
         $  WRITE tee_file LINE  ! Log output to the log file
         $  GOTO LOOP
         $ EXIT:
         $  CLOSE tee_file
         $  EXIT

         This is an example of a pipeline DCL application TEE.COM.

         The PIPE command to use TEE.COM can be:

           $ PIPE  SHOW SYSTEM | @TEE showsys.log | SEARCH SYS$INPUT LEF

         The command procedure TEE.COM is used to log the data flowing
         through the pipeline. It reads in the data from SYS$PIPE
         instead of SYS$INPUT. --=_alternative 004AA8868525749B_=-- ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2008 12:18:37 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Playing with pipes Message-ID: <3Gu16i4rfoBN@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <35a2bd57-1d9e-448b-90b8-9983b83f0f1d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, EJunkermann@googlemail.com writes: > I have a program which writes binary data to a file specified on the > command line, and miscellaneous information to the screen. > > If I do this: > > pipe myprog sys$output | rsh unixbox "cat - > xxxx" > > I get the two lots of output mixed in file xxxx on the unixbox. > > What I would like is to send the screen output somewhere else > (anywhere else - I don't want it) - there is no space to put the > binary data on the VMS machine. > > I have tried saving the value of sys$output and doing a define/user, > but without success. > > Any suggestions? Have you tried separating sys$output and sys$error? The program may be writing everything to sys$output when you tell it you want the data to go to sys$output. I think you may be better off creating a mailbox and copying that mailbox to rsh. IIRC there are DCL commands in the latest version of VMS that will let you create a mailbox interactively, and well known tricks with spawn that will let you accomplish it on earlier versions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: hamilton_n@encompasserve.org Subject: Questions i need answered Message-ID: <1313579e-5877-425b-bb98-0211baea09e4@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> 1.How do i call decwindows, I have it installed but I dont know how to call it from the command line 2.How do I add users --Thanks ps:I know I have asked alot of beginner questions lateley, theese will be the last. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:22:48 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Questions i need answered Message-ID: In article <1313579e-5877-425b-bb98-0211baea09e4@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, hamilton_n@encompasserve.org writes: >1.How do i call decwindows, I have it installed but I dont know how to >call it from the command line From a privileged account do a @sys$startup:decw$startup >2.How do I add users Again from a privileged account do mc authorize and then use the command "help". Please note that there is file called SYSUAF.DAT where all the users are stored. You should define a logical SYSUAF to point to this file. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -80464 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 08:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: hamilton_n@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Questions i need answered Message-ID: On Aug 4, 11:22=A0am, gartm...@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: > In article <1313579e-5877-425b-bb98-0211baea0...@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups= .com>, hamilto...@encompasserve.org writes: > > >1.How do i call decwindows, I have it installed but I dont know how to > >call it from the command line > > From a privileged account do a > =A0 =A0@sys$startup:decw$startup > > >2.How do I add users > > Again from a privileged account do > =A0 =A0mc authorize > and then use the command "help". > Please note that there is file called SYSUAF.DAT where all the users are > stored. You should define a logical SYSUAF to point to this file. > > Regards, > =A0 =A0Christoph Gartmann > > -- > =A0Max-Planck-Institut fuer =A0 =A0 =A0Phone =A0 : +49-761-5108-464 =A0 F= ax: -80464 > =A0Immunbiologie > =A0Postfach 1169 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Internet: gartmann@immun= bio dot mpg dot de > =A0D-79011 =A0Freiburg, Germany > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html Thank you very much, everything works great. ------------------------------ Date: 04 Aug 2008 15:37:03 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Questions i need answered Message-ID: <4897221f$0$5002$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <1313579e-5877-425b-bb98-0211baea09e4@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, hamilton_n@encompasserve.org writes: >1.How do i call decwindows, I have it installed but I dont know how to >call it from the command line Call DECwindows? You want a DECwindows X session. That will all depend on you supplying some more info on how you are accessing the VMS system. If it has a graphics card and a 'tube', you should get a DECwindows dia- log to log in if things are properly configured. >2.How do I add users There are some ADD USER scripts on the net with varying feature levels. THere is also on in SYS$EXAMPLES:. Other than that, you would use the AUTHORIZE command from a suitably privileged account. Simple: $ SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM $ MCR (or RUN) AUTHORIZE UAF> COPY DEFAULT new_user_name /ADD_IDENTIFIER You can then: UAF> MODIFY new_user_name {...} To set defaults, quotas, privileges, etc. See UAF> HELP MODIFY You will need to manually create a DEFAULT DIRECTORY for new_user_name somewhere on your system with $ CREATE/DIRECTORY [user_dir] You should use /OWNER=[new_user_name's identifier] so the user owns the directory you will deposit them into upon login. >ps:I know I have asked alot of beginner questions lateley, theese will >be the last. This is better than some of the discussion here! :) Isn't there a VMS Primer which would cover these questions and more for Brad? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2008 12:00:20 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: Questions i need answered Message-ID: <9WNSkRfLN8ev@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <4897221f$0$5002$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > Isn't there a VMS Primer which would cover these questions and more for > Brad? I don't think that it's Brad, but another person with the same surname as Brad's... Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2008 12:21:51 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Questions i need answered Message-ID: In article <1313579e-5877-425b-bb98-0211baea09e4@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, hamilton_n@encompasserve.org writes: > 1.How do i call decwindows, I have it installed but I dont know how to > call it from the command line You don't. If it is set up properly, it will start on the console. If you are trying to access it via a remote graphics server, you point it there via "set display". > 2.How do I add users Read the system manager's manual or you will royally screw up the system. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2008 12:22:32 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Questions i need answered Message-ID: In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > > Again from a privileged account do > mc authorize > and then use the command "help". > Please note that there is file called SYSUAF.DAT where all the users are > stored. You should define a logical SYSUAF to point to this file. If that's all he does, his users won't be happy. He really needs to see the system manager's manual. ------------------------------ Date: 04 Aug 2008 17:39:09 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Questions i need answered Message-ID: <48973ebc$0$4999$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <9WNSkRfLN8ev@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: >In article <4897221f$0$5002$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >> Isn't there a VMS Primer which would cover these questions and more for >> Brad? > >I don't think that it's Brad, but another person with the same surname as >Brad's... So right you are Simon. I just ran AUTHORIZE on Eisner and did a SHOW/BRIEF HAMIL* Three users with the surname. I'm so used to seeing Brad on Eisner that I didn't pay attention to the small _N in the username posting here. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:01:30 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: TCPIP SET CONF SMTP/OPT=TOP_HEADERS Message-ID: I've had HEADERS specified for ages, but want to change it temporarily to TOP_HEADERS. OK, no problem, is reported by TCPIP SH CONF SMTP. However, no change to the headers. I exited MAIL then fired it up again, did TCPIP STOP MAIL then TCPIP START MAIL, no change, then @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$SMTP_SHUTDOWN then @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$SMTP_STARTUP. Still no change. Surely I don't need to completely restart SMTP? OK, maybe I was confused and the change applies only to NEW messages. I was thinking that it just changed the way things were displayed on the screen. I have a more-or-less "shared everything" cluster. What happens if I change the header setting on only one node? Can each node have its own setting? ------------------------------ Date: 04 Aug 2008 15:42:20 GMT From: no_spam@e.THUNDERMAKER.NET (Spud Demon) Subject: Re: TCPIP SET CONF SMTP/OPT=TOP_HEADERS Message-ID: <4897235c$0$89875$815e3792@news.qwest.net> helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes in article dated Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:01:30 +0000 (UTC): >OK, maybe I was confused and the change applies only to NEW messages. I >was thinking that it just changed the way things were displayed on the >screen. Bingo. It's a SMTP server parameter. Messages which have already been delivered to a user's account are not affected. >I have a more-or-less "shared everything" cluster. What happens if I >change the header setting on only one node? Can each node have its own >setting? Unless you're looking to randomize the header behavior on a per-message basis, you need to give that node a separate SMTP queue and its own (or no) cluster alias. --Spud Demon spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.423 ************************