INFO-VAX Mon, 30 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 362 Contents: Beware of recent Alpha patches RMS, DECram, DCL. Re: Beware of recent Alpha patches RMS, DECram, DCL. Re: Beware of recent Alpha patches RMS, DECram, DCL. Re: It would be nice to have on VMS Re: It would be nice to have on VMS Re: It would be nice to have on VMS Re: LMF and abandonned products ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Jun 2008 07:52:16 GMT From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il Subject: Beware of recent Alpha patches RMS, DECram, DCL. Message-ID: <2008Jun30.075216@hujicc> Hello, I've installed this mornning the recent patches for Alpha VMS-8.3 of DECram, RMS and DCL. The result is that the VMS version field in Kernel is corrupted; VMS boots, but Multinet's kernel bugchecks since it cannot get the VMS version. I have no idea which of the above patches did this, and I am going to open a support call with HP. In the meantime, beware... Regards, __Yehavi: Yehavi Bourvine The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:08:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David B Sneddon Subject: Re: Beware of recent Alpha patches RMS, DECram, DCL. Message-ID: <13be33da-7e0d-473d-8c2f-effddee40974@a32g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Jun 30, 7:52 am, yeh...@vms.huji.ac.il wrote: > Hello, > > I've installed this mornning the recent patches for Alpha VMS-8.3 of DECram, > RMS and DCL. The result is that the VMS version field in Kernel is corrupted; > VMS boots, but Multinet's kernel bugchecks since it cannot get the VMS version. > > I have no idea which of the above patches did this, and I am going to open a > support call with HP. In the meantime, beware... > > Regards, __Yehavi: > > Yehavi Bourvine > The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. I recently installed these patches along with a lot of others and have seen no problems. What does the corrupted version look like? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David B Sneddon Subject: Re: Beware of recent Alpha patches RMS, DECram, DCL. Message-ID: On Jun 30, 7:52 am, yeh...@vms.huji.ac.il wrote: > Hello, > > I've installed this mornning the recent patches for Alpha VMS-8.3 of DECram, > RMS and DCL. The result is that the VMS version field in Kernel is corrupted; > VMS boots, but Multinet's kernel bugchecks since it cannot get the VMS version. > > I have no idea which of the above patches did this, and I am going to open a > support call with HP. In the meantime, beware... > > Regards, __Yehavi: > > Yehavi Bourvine > The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Are you referring to the RMS-V0800 and DCL-V0300 kits dated 27-Jun-2008? I installed the previous versions of these along with the DECram kit and others. I have yet to install these two latest kits. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:11:22 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: It would be nice to have on VMS Message-ID: <4867d047$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Kari Uusimäki wrote: > John Smith wrote: >> http://www.sybase.com/detail?id=1056945 >> >> First time I used Sybase IQ was about 10 years ago for a 2Tb initial >> load data warehouse I designed for a bank. A really great product and >> waaay fast. That one was on Solaris. >> >> I don't know of anything comparable to this product on VMS. ....sigh.... > > The fastest Relational Database ever on VMS is RDB (an Oracle product > nowadays). Many happy customers use it in (time) critical environments. > I recommend that you to have a try if you haven't done it. RDB is indeed a very good database, but I would consider it more an alternative to Sybase ASE than to Sybase IQ. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:12:59 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: It would be nice to have on VMS Message-ID: <4867d0a8$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: >> From: Arne Vajhøj [mailto:arne@vajhoej.dk] >> John Smith wrote: >>> http://www.sybase.com/detail?id=1056945 >>> First time I used Sybase IQ was about 10 years ago for a 2Tb initial load >>> data warehouse I designed for a bank. A really great product and waaay fast. >>> That one was on Solaris. >>> >>> I don't know of anything comparable to this product on VMS. >> Sybase dropped VMS support a long time ago. >> >> The only major database vendor that supports VMS is Oracle. >> >> Those that want something like Sybase IQ should check out what >> Oracle has. > Sybase has not done to much in the enterprise space in the last few > years. They were focussing a lot on distributed DB market. Perhaps > they are re-focussing on the enterprise again and are using this > benchmark to jump start that marketing. > > In the mid to high enterprise DB space I usually see Oracle, SQL > Server or DB2. Sybase is not as big a player as they used to be, but there are still some very big Sybase sites out there. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:14:26 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: It would be nice to have on VMS Message-ID: <4867d0ff$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> IanMiller wrote: > On 29 Jun, 04:27, "William Webb" wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:32 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote: >>> John Smith wrote: >>>> http://www.sybase.com/detail?id=1056945 >>>> First time I used Sybase IQ was about 10 years ago for a 2Tb initial load >>>> data warehouse I designed for a bank. A really great product and waaay fast. >>>> That one was on Solaris. >>>> I don't know of anything comparable to this product on VMS. ....sigh.... >>> Sybase dropped VMS support a long time ago. >>> The only major database vendor that supports VMS is Oracle. >>> Those that want something like Sybase IQ should check out what >>> Oracle has. >> There is also Intersystems Cache. > > and Mimer Sure. But they are not quite as mainstream as Oracle, DB2, SQLServer and Sybase. Arne ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 2008 20:58:49 -0500 From: BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) Subject: Re: LMF and abandonned products Message-ID: <$5vz7s2RASPy@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <6c0dphF3edbf1U2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > retired != abandoned > > If the owner of the product does not want you to continue using it > that is their right. The product is not abandoned because they > aren't willing to meet your demands. I believe this to be a major flaw in the concept of extending copyright and patent protection to computer software. I understand that it is clearly stated in the Constitution that the purpose of copyrights and patents is to encourage the sharing of knowledge - and other intellectual property (fiction, art, whatever) - in order to advance the common good. It is very hard to argue that "dog in the manger" tactics of holding on to intellectual property rights merely to deny the fruits of one's labors to others can in any way advance the common good. There was a time when it was controversial whether intellectual property rights should even transfer into the domain of computer software. But it eventually did, and it is clear that Congress has chosen over the years to advance the rights of powerful lobbyists instead of choosing what might be for the common good. Since software is often dated, not to mention flawed, it is clear that it is very much a perishable commodity, and when extending property rights into the software domain, this fact could have been taken into account. So instead of just passing the DMCA, or, my favorite, the "Sonny Bono Copyright Perpetuation Act" (my words. maybe they the same thing), Congress might have been more thoughtful and included provisions to support the software industry in a reasonable way. This could include requiring a certain minimal amount of effort on the part of the software owner to correct errors in his software and to update it to newer platforms as the older ones became obsolete; or, even simpler, to require a fee to extend software intellectual property rights for a number of years at a time, basing the fee on, say, the original purchase price of the software licenses. Software abandonment would then become a clearly defined legal state, and we would not be having discussions like "Where is Mentec, and do they even exist any more?" on the newsgroups. -- George Cornelius cornelius A T eisner D O T decus D O T org cornelius A T mayo D O T edu > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.362 ************************