INFO-VAX Fri, 13 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 328 Contents: Re: Birthday Re: booting of remote vxts with host system Re: FTP client: stripping version numbers and forcing lowercase on MPUT Re: FTP client: stripping version numbers and forcing lowercase on MPUT MPUTMPUT Re: Graphics Board Re: Graphics Board Re: Graphics Board How OpenVMS friendly is Ann Livermore? Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP OpenVMS for Small and Medium Businesses? Re: out-of-date [WAS: RE: 2 VMS books?] Re: out-of-date [WAS: RE: 2 VMS books?] Re: out-of-date [WAS: RE: 2 VMS books?] Re: Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS Re: Python for VMS TCPware 5.8 and MIME Re: Tough Crowd! Re: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: Weendoze for a VMS bigot Re: Weendoze for a VMS bigot ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:17:28 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Birthday Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > In article <_eidnfjbKK0PuczVnZ2dnUVZ_sPinZ2d@comcast.com>, "Richard B. > Gilbert" writes: > >> Just because WE have a republican form of government, elect our leaders, >> and have a constitution that guarantees freedom of religion does NOT >> mean that everyone does, or should, want the same thing. The people of >> other nations may not find our form of government suitable for their >> needs and wants! Or, perhaps, they don't need or want it enough to pay >> the price! > > True, but "making the world safe for democracy" is the justification one > hears for the troops being in Afghanistan. > AFAICT only the fact that Dubyah is an asshole explains either Afganistan or Iraq. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:37:27 +0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= Subject: Re: booting of remote vxts with host system Message-ID: <4851890b$0$23844$9b536df3@news.fv.fi> Naveen wrote: > Dear members, > I have 14 VXT terminals (vxt 2000+) which > boots from 2 infoservers(infoserver sw1000). Each infoserver has hard- > disk (DK3:) which contains booting software for these vxts. We have > five Host system > ( DS-20E )which is operating with VMS 7.3-1 .My host systems are not > in a cluster. We want to remove infoservers and put booting softwares > of vxts to our host system. Booting software of VXTs are of version > 2.1 which is on hard-disk (DK3:) of infoservers. Each infoserver has > one hard-disk (device name is DK3:) > Some X-session applications are running of these remote Vxts. > > So please help us to boot these vxts from our host systems,because we > don't have spare infoserver. If possible, we can go for complete > replacement of infoserver and vxts. So please help us. > > Thanx in advance. There is some information in that manual: http://vt100.net/mirror/mds-199909/cd3/term/vxt20uge.pdf I couldn't find the Installation Guide online, but I'll see if I can find it somwhere else. Regards, Kari ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jun 2008 18:05:41 -0400 From: Rich Alderson Subject: Re: FTP client: stripping version numbers and forcing lowercase on MPUT Message-ID: Dick Piccard writes: > We will soon be in a situation where we want to transfer about 30,000 > files (in about 2,000 directories and subdirectories) from a VMS > server to a linux server. Life will be simpler if we can set things > up so that the version numbers will be stripped and all letters in > file and directory names forced to lowercase. Here's a dissenting opinion: Life will be simpler if you do the filename massaging on the receiving end. I frequently need to move largish numbers of files from TOPS-20 to several flavors of Unix (including Linux) and Windows. By default, the TOPS-20 FTP daemon offers up only the highest generation of any particular file, and does not (cannot) downcase the names. I end up with a Unix directory of files named things like FOO.BAR.1 SOMETHING_LONGER.TXT.7 and so on. Use "ls > .mic" to get a file with the names in it, use a decent text editor to copy the column of names, change the case and trim generation numbers, put the saved column at the line start, add a "mv " to the line start, save, and execute as a shell script. mv FOO.BAR.1 foo.bar mv SOMETHING_LONGER.TXT.7 something_longer.txt -- Rich Alderson "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." news@alderson.users.panix.com --Death, of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: FTP client: stripping version numbers and forcing lowercase on MPUT MPUTMPUT Message-ID: <167a89e1-211c-4d6e-8b90-59eb023428aa@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> On Jun 12, 6:05=A0pm, Rich Alderson wrote: > Dick Piccard writes: > > We will soon be in a situation where we want to transfer about 30,000 > > files (in about 2,000 directories and subdirectories) from a VMS > > server to a linux server. =A0Life will be simpler if we can set things > > up so that the version numbers will be stripped and all letters in > > file and directory names forced to lowercase. > > Here's a dissenting opinion: =A0Life will be simpler if you do the filenam= e > massaging on the receiving end. : > Use "ls > .mic" to get a file with the names in it, use a decent text edit= or to > copy the column of names, change the case and trim generation numbers, put= the > saved column at the line start, add a "mv " to the line start, save, and > execute as a shell script. Just use perl... perl -e 'foreach (<*;*>) { if (/(.*);\d+$/){ rename $_, lc($1)}}' <*;*> =3D Glob all files containing a ";" foreach =3D return each glob result into variable $_ /(.*);\d+$/ =3D Match (//) $_, remembering anything ((.*)) up to a semicolon (;) in $1, if followed by decimal numbers (\d+) and the end ($) If matched then rename with old =3D $_ and new is the lower case for the remembered part before the ;. Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:55:37 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Graphics Board Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:44:08 -0700, Tom Linden wrot= e: > I have an Intense 3D MSMT440 graphics board made by Intergraph, which = I = > pulled out of an ES40 that had been running Tru64. It looks pretty = > 'intense' :-) don't know if it works with VMS. Matbe Fred knows? If = = > interested contact me offline. > Does not http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=3D109= 447626+1213293294816+28353475&threadId=3D829929 -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:09:23 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Graphics Board Message-ID: <08061213092366_20200492@antinode.info> From: "Tom Linden" > http://forums11.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?admit=3D109= > 447626+1213293294816+28353475&threadId=3D829929 You can save people some time and effort by trimming the "11" or "12", and the personal "admit=" data from ITRC Forum URLs, so: http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=829929 I got a card like that (I think) in a PWS 500a[u], which had been running Windows, as I recall. I believe that Tru64 liked it, too, but it went into my looks-nice-but-useless pile. Both boards of it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnPSDS Subject: Re: Graphics Board Message-ID: On Jun 12, 10:44=A0am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > I have an Intense 3D MSMT440 graphics board made by Intergraph, which I = =A0 > pulled out of an ES40 that had been running Tru64. =A0It looks pretty =A0 > 'intense' :-) don't know if it works with VMS. =A0Matbe Fred knows? =A0If = =A0 > interested contact me offline. > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com Tom: The PowerStorm 3D MSMT4400 controller does not work w/OVMS, nor does PS4D40T. 4D50T and 4D60T John Hession Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc 19501 144th Ave NE #D-100 Woodinville, WA 98072 1-866-857-0710 john@psds.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:10:13 GMT From: D Gillbilly Subject: How OpenVMS friendly is Ann Livermore? Message-ID: <4853b964.364495031@news.aliant.net> How OpenVMS friendly is Ann Livermore? HLRL: Harvard on Ann Livermore http://64.223.189.234/node/885 How OpenVMS friendly is Ann Livermore? Just curious... ----- From the Wall Street Journal article "Just before Christmas, I was talking to two large financial institutions, a manufacturing company and a government organization that all had very large IT outsourcing opportunities for us, but we didn't have the resources to respond,' she says. ... very curious. :-) :-) :-) Duane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:21:14 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: On Jun 12, 3:04=A0am, Michael Kraemer wrote: > Unfortunately, yes. It's still crapware, I think, > but the notion that Windoze boxes need 3 reboots per day > is an urban legend which - if ever - was true at W3.1 times, > but not nowadays. Set up properly, running a single app It's a loooooong way from urban legend. I have a client now that has Windoze running Exchange distributed between multiple client locations across the country. Each server crashes and reboots no less than 5 times per day. Not all at once, not all at the same time, just over the same 24 hour period. MS has sent their best and brightest out multiple times. The hardware has been replaced by MS themveselves. It is still as stable as a soap bubble. I've never personally had an XP desktop make it more than 4 days without a reboot. If you have Automatic Updates turned on (necessity if the box has any network connection at all) you couldn't make 24 hours without a reboot since the signature files and Maliscious Software Removal updates _always_ require an automatic reboot it seems. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <2188648a-c15e-436f-9af3-cfde07c46d06@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Jun 12, 3:53=A0am, Michael Kraemer wrote: > yyyc186 schrieb: > > > No, you cannot get 24x7 with Windoze or most flavors of Eunics. > > Of course you can. Happens all the time. > Over here I see former VMS bigots replacing VMS by > HA-Linux. No problem as far as I can see. > A Unix box usually stays alive as long as > it is connected to the power line. I've been in many production environments over the past 20 years. NOT ONE has had a Eunics machine stay up past 7 weeks. I've NEVER seen ANY HP/UX installation make it more than 9 days no matter what hardware it was on. > > Take eBay or Google for example, > they run 24x7 but VMS-free AFAIK. > Please don't speak or repeat fraud. Neither of these companies achives 24x7. Both have massive outages. The outages have become so numerous they don't even make the business news these days. Hell, Google was down again last week. Please, don't spread fraud simply because it makes you feel good. > > If I were in the TwinTowers, the least thing I would have worried about > would have been lost business. > And just how probable is such an event ? Each and every day, any professional must design and plan for such events. The "make money now and let somebody else clean up the mess" criminal mindset only works with things like back dated stock options and mortgage fraud. We now have mile wide tornados removing entire towns from maps. Things like Katrina and Tsunami (sp?) happening on a seemingly frequent basis. Not to mention a whole lot of missfits stocking up on fertilizer and fuel oil while buying up used Ryder trucks. Any business which has published 24x7 updtime standards and has not put in place a system which can withstand the complete PHYSICAL loss of a single location has committed mail fraud. Ask a criminal prosecution lawyer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:33:06 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <7932ed19-9faf-454d-8b74-162c4fabc9f5@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jun 12, 4:07=A0am, Michael Kraemer wrote: > The idea that steel companies mess with an IT company take-over, > selling off 99% of the target just to keep a <$1 Bn business is > just weird. It's a little thing called "vengance for lost profits in down years thanks to you". Last I heard there are only 3 companies actively pursuing it. > Why should they bother with such a boat anchor (from their perspective) ? > If they feel uncomfortable with the way VMS is treated by HP, > time, money and effort would be better spent to replace VMS by > Unix/Linux or even Windoze. That would be a gross and henious (sp?) misconception. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <17649947-8fad-46cf-a471-54785285c529@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jun 12, 12:31=A0pm, m.krae...@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) wrote: > In article <4e5c0acb-4118-4637-88e6-6ff31f14e...@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.= com>, > Thanks for the additional information. > Of course I would not recommend Windoze to replace the > old environment, let alone using it for real-time stuff. > But the given reason that it can't do it, because it can't run 24x7 > is simply wrong and hence a very weak argument if you want to defend VMS. > However, there is quite a bunch of dedicated real-time systems > which could be used, such as VxWorks, LynxOS, OS-9, QNX, > and in recent years even RT versions of Linux. Windows cannot run 24x7 at a consisten sub 100millisecond response. Anyone claiming it can is committing fraud. It is not a real-time, nor is it a multi-processing system. It is a TASK SWITCHING system which is why it impelmented Threads at its core instead of processes. Most Eunics flavors have the exact same design flaw. Threads are what you get when you didn't get a real operating system to start with. Please understand, there is a __galaxy__ of difference between keeping a game of FreeCell up on the screen for days on end and running at 70% load for 800,000 hours providing sub 100ms respone times without ever exceeding 100ms or dropping a calculation packet. One lost packet from a roller assembly means you have scrap and just don't know it yet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:26:32 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: "Michael Kraemer" wrote in message news:g2rmhh$pvh$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de... > However, there is quite a bunch of dedicated real-time systems > which could be used, such as VxWorks, LynxOS, OS-9, QNX, > and in recent years even RT versions of Linux. > >> It is simply not credible to talk about doing this kind of thing on >> Windows, anyone who says otherwise needs to be immediately escorted >> out of the factory. There are real time OSes which will do the real >> time bit, but they likely won't also run real apps on the same box. > > LynxOS feels like a stripped down Unix, but OS-9 and QNX > should be complete enough to run real apps. > ISTR that at least QNX even has GUI (Photon ?) > QNX is a very robust environment. We looked at it some time ago for a real-time application but in the end chose VMS. Why? Our app was real-time but not real-time to a few milliseconds resolution, so we felt that we could use VMS because it also had a richer development environment at the time. And QNX programmers were in short supply at the time. The reverse is probably true today. We would have preferred to use the ELN variant of VMS but as I recall, it was not available on Alpha. With the passage of time the timing requirements became stricter and stricter from our customers, and in many instances the core functionality we provided was something they deemed to be business-critical and desired to be brought in-house. Our application thus lost a lot of customers to solutions that were deemed to be unix-only requirement by customer management - irrespective of whether the unix environment at the time was capable of running any faster. And they didn't know if it was faster until they had built their own app - by which time it was impossible to convince/benchmark otherwise. See they had already committed lots of money to the 'new' system so they were going to use it and throw whatever it took at it to make it work. Something called 'bonuses' was at work there, and just delivering the app was the trigger for the big payouts. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:07:34 GMT From: D Gillbilly Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <4851b794.364030312@news.aliant.net> "Right now we're re-inventing marketing.": Damn! Soon I'm gonna be out of a hobby. :-) Duane (Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Hobbyist :-) On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:56:10 -0400, "Ken Robinson" wrote: >On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:37 PM, wrote: >> In article <7dd80f60806101214r35f37575ma74f47f071eb652e@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >>>I was browsing some job ads to see what's out there and I came across >>>this one from HP: >>> >>>OpenVMS Go-To-Market Program Manager/Evangelist/Trainer =96 233252 >>> >>>>>&flowTypeNo=3D13&pageSeq=3D2&reqNo=3D1605575&art_servlet_language=3Den&sele= >>>cted_language=3Den&csNo=3D2> >>> >>>Could this be an indication of things to come from HP??? >> >> TaloeX >> Application Error 500 >> An application error has occurred. Please log out of the application and > >For those of you who can't see the ad (for whatever reason), here is >the text from the start of the ad (notice the part that says "Right >now we're re-inventing marketing.": > >Job Description > > >Description >business environment > >hp gives business the solutions it needs. > >We work to understand the world. Know how it thinks. How its markets >work. What makes business tick. > >Then we invent. > >And reinvent if necessary. > >Right now we're re-inventing marketing. Shifting focus from the >product line to the customer. Servicing customers better with >streamlined processes and tools. Building a more efficient marketing >function. Using in-depth knowledge of our customers top produce and >promote products, services and solutions that exceed their >expectations. > >Marketing helps create our vision. > >Marketing people make it happen. > >job description > >Working throughout the product life-cycle from conception through >introduction to evolution, you'll be responsible for driving our >successful position in the market by ensuring that our product lines >meet and beat their targets and grow faster than those of our >competitors. This involves new product development and launch, plus >other offerings throughout the product life-cycle, including regional >volume forecasting and pricing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: On Jun 12, 7:48 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > yyyc186 wrote: > > We now have mile wide tornados removing entire towns from maps. > > Things like Katrina and Tsunami (sp?) happening on a seemingly > > frequent basis. > > VMS' clustering capabilities are useless if you can't get the > application you need to run on VMS. You can always "get the application". You cannot build clustering and fault tolerance into a platform which doesn't have it designed into the core from the get-go. Sometimes to "get the application" you have to do something which absolutely shocks the industry...write software. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:09:40 GMT From: D Gillbilly Subject: OpenVMS for Small and Medium Businesses? Message-ID: <4852b7ff.364138046@news.aliant.net> OpenVMS for Small and Medium Businesses? http://64.223.189.234/node/719 Good article pointing out previous Vendor neglect. But you failed to mention the difficulty that established OpenVMS pre-enterprise vendors have in trying to sell OpenVMS applications. (Nearly) Everyone is convinced that OpenVMS is dead. :-( It's enough to drive someone crazy. ;-) Duane Thanks Hoff for convincing me to try this grand adventure. I have learned a lot. I may have made a couple of tactical errors, but I think my strategy is sound. I can loosely group the posts into chapters (working titles only). Chapter 1: "Just Ask The Vendor" was a noobs attempt at irritating The Vendor into having another look at OpenVMS. Chapter 2: "Small IS Big" was an attempt to share some ideas on some of the advantages of OpenVMS (from my perspective) and of course, irritate The Vendor into having another look at OpenVMS (or again, try to convince anyone to ask about OpenVMS). Chapter 3: "Can You See Me Now" is an attempt to raise the visibility of OpenVMS without resorting to any marketing. I have multiple other chapters already in the works, but I fear I may be trying to achieve too much too fast. I am not sure The Vendor is yet convinced or anywhere near ready. But I do support your effort to point out to The Vendor that it is important to get OpenVMS working properly in the Enterprise. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: j.spilling@t-online.de Subject: Re: out-of-date [WAS: RE: 2 VMS books?] Message-ID: <158b9d1a-c0ea-4d3d-ad09-7f9e2b96938e@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On 12 Jun., 17:25, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:50:57AM -0700, IanMiller wrote: > > On Jun 12, 12:17 pm, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 03:53:36AM -0700, IanMiller wrote: > > > > On Jun 12, 9:51 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 04:37:16PM +0100, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > > What about writing device drivers for I64, any recommendations? > > > Enjoy yourself :-) Go boldly, where few have gone before ! > > > I think there is some info in the Upgrading privileged apps manual but > > the device support manual has not been updated so think you are in > > need of a VMS listings kit for OpenVMS I64 V8.2 or later. It appears > > that SYS$EXAMPLES:LRDRIVER.C has not been updated recently either. > > > What device are you writing a device driver for? > > well.. for example a quantum random number generator (QRNG):http://idquantique.com/products/quantis.htm > > "PCI card comes with drivers for Windows (2000/XP), > Linux (2.4, 2.6), FreeBSD (4, 5, 6) and > Solaris (8, 9, 10 for SPARC, x86 and x64)" > > no VMS.. > > -- > Anton Shterenlikht > Room 2.6, Queen's Building > Mech Eng Dept > Bristol University > University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK > Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 > Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 I had written drivers for TURBOchannel/(E)ISA/PCI GPIB and multiport serial I/O cards written. The first drivers were written in MACRO-32 for VAX and AXP. Later, other cards are required (because of 3.3V PCI) and all drivers was ported to C (based on the drivers book!). The porting to IA64 was as so simple: compile, link and run. So I support this drivers until now ... I have found that the information provided by the driver book should be sufficient (and correct also today) if the device is simple- no mass storage/network device. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:31:41 GMT From: Roger Ivie Subject: Re: out-of-date [WAS: RE: 2 VMS books?] Message-ID: On 2008-06-12, j.spilling@t-online.de wrote: > I had written drivers for TURBOchannel/(E)ISA/PCI GPIB and multiport > serial I/O cards written. The first drivers were written in MACRO-32 > for VAX and AXP. Later, other cards are required (because of 3.3V PCI) > and all drivers was ported to C (based on the drivers book!). The > porting to IA64 was as so simple: compile, link and run. So I support > this drivers until now ... I also had little trouble porting my C-based drivers to IA64. Over the last few years, I had kept tabs on where things were going so I had already thought about and incorporated into the device driver everything I knew about (64-bit PFNs, stuff like that). I also made all my PCI devices run with a generic PCI device driver that I wrote; it provides facilities to create register mappings, enable and field interrupts, and lock and map buffers to support DMA traffic. So I wound up with only one driver I had to port. Minor issues were: - The IA64 register mapping routines don't fill in the bus address field of the IOHANDLE; Alpha does because it needs to describe the difference between swizzle space and PCI addresses. I was using the bus address to create PFN mappings in the unsupported byte/word space on EV5 and up processors so our FORTRAN code dating back to the VAX days could get access to the hardware. Because of this change, the driver has to figure out where to get the PCI bus address based on whether it's an Alpha or an Itanium. Of course, if it's on an Alpha it has to figure out how to get to the unsupported byte/word space... - I've found one place where the IA64 kernel crashes that appears to be a typo in some 64-bit parameter checking code. I forget the details. I was able to come up with a workaround that works the same on both platforms. - We also had to modify the addressing of one of our devices to move the registers to memory space instead of I/O space. On the Alpha it doesn't matter, but I don't know how to get to I/O space on Itanium; I don't have Itanium listings yet. Other than those, it was much smoother than I expected it to be. I also turned up a minor bug in the Alpha kernel on one of our machines, so I guess it evens out. I hadn't run the generic driver on *all* our boxes until about time to do the Itanium port, and the one that was a bit different than the rest had a problem. My resident HP guy has reported the bugs. I'm not certain whether to consider the bus address bit in the IOHANDLE to be a bug, since (given how old the documentation is) I don't think it's documented anywhere. -- roger ivie rivie@ridgenet.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:45:55 GMT From: Roger Ivie Subject: Re: out-of-date [WAS: RE: 2 VMS books?] Message-ID: On 2008-06-13, Roger Ivie wrote: > > - I've found one place where the IA64 kernel crashes that appears to be a > typo in some 64-bit parameter checking code. I forget the details. > I was able to come up with a workaround that works the same on both > platforms. My bad. This one was actually in one of the $CRMPSCmumblePFNmumble services, so I guess it wouldn't count as a driver porting problem. -- roger ivie rivie@ridgenet.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: On Jun 12, 11:41 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article , hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > > In article <485144e9$0$90273$14726...@news.sunsite.dk>, "R.A.Omond" > > writes: > > > > > I downloaded the two zip files; they appear to contain, unzipped, about > > > > 450 MB. Does that sound right? When unzipping, however, I get an > > > > allocation error, device full etc even on a disk with 1.6 GB free. > > > > I got bit by the same thing (that's why it's on my Mac Mini > > > with oodles of free disk space). > > > > The LD container files are marked as contiguous, so UNZIPping > > > them is looking for that amount of *contiguous* space. > > > What about having one LD container on one disk and the other on another > > disk? Possible? Does one have to jump through hoops? > > OK, found enough contiguous space. Next problem: > > $ ld CONNECT jfplib0001.dsk lda1: > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > \LD\ > > Presumably I need to install LD. I'm running 7.3-2 ALPHA. Look in SYS$STARTUP for LD$STARTUP.COM. If its there then you probably have it installed. It started coming with VMS at some point (I don't recall the version). Otherwise you can get it from the freeware distributions at the HP site, or the most recent (verify it will work with your VMS version first!) at http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:56:07 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > OK, found enough contiguous space. Next problem: > > $ ld CONNECT jfplib0001.dsk lda1: > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > \LD\ > > Presumably I need to install LD. I'm running 7.3-2 ALPHA. It's there - latent... You can extract LD.CLD from SYS$MANAGER:CDRECORD.COM, and have to call SYS$STARTUP:LD$STARTUP.COM before using it. cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:20:13 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: In article , Rich Jordan writes: > > $ ld CONNECT jfplib0001.dsk lda1: > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > > \LD\ > > > > Presumably I need to install LD. I'm running 7.3-2 ALPHA. > > Look in SYS$STARTUP for LD$STARTUP.COM. If its there then you > probably have it installed. It started coming with VMS at some point > (I don't recall the version). Thanks; it's there. I guess it started coming at 7.3-2 or earlier, since I rarely install anything by hand on the system disk. Presumably, this startup file should be executed during the system startup, right? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:21:20 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: In article , "Martin Vorlaender" writes: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > OK, found enough contiguous space. Next problem: > > > > $ ld CONNECT jfplib0001.dsk lda1: > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > > \LD\ > > > > Presumably I need to install LD. I'm running 7.3-2 ALPHA. > > It's there - latent... > > You can extract LD.CLD from SYS$MANAGER:CDRECORD.COM, and have to call > SYS$STARTUP:LD$STARTUP.COM before using it. The second is clear. Why does LD need CDRECORD, though? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:50:05 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 006CE5CC85257466_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Rich Jordan wrote on 06/12/2008 02:43:37 PM: > On Jun 12, 11:41 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- > remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > > In article , hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de > > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > [snip] > > $ ld CONNECT jfplib0001.dsk lda1: > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling > > \LD\ > > > > Presumably I need to install LD. I'm running 7.3-2 ALPHA. > > Look in SYS$STARTUP for LD$STARTUP.COM. If its there then you > probably have it installed. It started coming with VMS at some point > (I don't recall the version). Otherwise you can get it from the > freeware distributions at the HP site, or the most recent (verify it > will work with your VMS version first!) at > > http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver > From the website: LD V9.0. The current version is V9.0 which runs on OpenVMS Alpha (V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3), and OpenVMS Itanium (V8.2-1, V8.3). Older versions will probably work, but this has not been tested. <----- Does anyone know if this will work or not with Alpha V7.3-1? --=_alternative 006CE5CC85257466_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"



Rich Jordan <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote on 06/12/2008 02:43:37 PM:

> On Jun 12, 11:41 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---
> remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote:
> > In article <g2rhcp$5d...@online.de>, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de
> > (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:
> > [snip]
> > $  ld CONNECT jfplib0001.dsk lda1:
> > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
> >  \LD\
> >
> > Presumably I need to install LD.  I'm running 7.3-2 ALPHA.
>
> Look in SYS$STARTUP for LD$STARTUP.COM.  If its there then you
> probably have it installed.  It started coming with VMS at some point
> (I don't recall the version).  Otherwise you can get it from the
> freeware distributions at the HP site, or the most recent (verify it
> will work with your VMS version first!) at
>
> http://www.digiater.nl/lddriver
>
From the website:


LD V9.0.
The current version is V9.0 which runs on OpenVMS Alpha
(V7.3-2, V8.2, V8.3), and OpenVMS Itanium (V8.2-1, V8.3).

Older versions will probably work, but this has not been tested.  <-----

Does anyone know if this will work or not with Alpha V7.3-1? --=_alternative 006CE5CC85257466_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:06:48 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > "Martin Vorlaender" writes: >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >> > OK, found enough contiguous space. Next problem: >> > >> > $ ld CONNECT jfplib0001.dsk lda1: >> > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >> > \LD\ >> > >> > Presumably I need to install LD. I'm running 7.3-2 ALPHA. >> >> It's there - latent... >> >> You can extract LD.CLD from SYS$MANAGER:CDRECORD.COM, and have to call >> SYS$STARTUP:LD$STARTUP.COM before using it. > > The second is clear. Why does LD need CDRECORD, though? It's the opposite: CDRECORD needs LD, and uses it "just in time". cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:15:19 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Python for VMS Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <485144e9$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, "R.A.Omond" writes: >> The LD container files are marked as contiguous, so UNZIPping >> them is looking for that amount of *contiguous* space. > > I didn't put them on an LD disk. Couldn't find any reason that I'd > need to. > > Is this because python may require ODS-5? > Yes, I think so. The two LD-containers can of be on any ODS2 disk, that's the way I run it. I have also created a third LD-disk where I put my own ODS5 files, such as some third party Python kits such HP's Java kit for VMS, the IDE$SERVER for Dist-Netbeans and ZSI, a SOAP/XML tool for Python. I have an XP900 with one 16 GB and one 34 GB disk, so disk space is of no major concern. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: TCPware 5.8 and MIME Message-ID: <12cbf767-8c2f-4287-ac33-a47e11933bc5@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Folks, I just installed TCPware 5.8 and discovered that the good folks at PSC have finally fixed the MIME attachment problem. $!============================================================ $! title : mime_hack.com $! author : Neil Rieck $! created: 2008-06-12 $!============================================================ $! $ say := write sys$output $! $! method #1 (works as-is with TCPware 5.8) $! $ say "mailing test #1" $ mail/subj="mime test 1"/for/type=1 SCR-2008H1.zip "neil.rieck@bell.ca" $! $ say "building MIME file" $ wait 0:00:01 $ MIME ! start the MIME application new/noedit neil.mime ! create a new mime document add/encod=base64 SCR-2008H1.zip ! save ! save mime document exit ! prompt (leave mime) $! $! method #2 (works with new TCPware 5.8 logical) $! $ say "mailing test #2" $ def tcpware_smtp_allow_mime_send y ! we want new functionality $ mail/subj="mime test 2" neil.mime "neil.rieck@bell.ca" $ say "adios" Neil Rieck Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:05:51 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Tough Crowd! Message-ID: Richard Maher wrote: > Hi Jan-Erik, > >> Honestly, I just couldn't care less anymore. > > Well then, that would appear to place you squarely in the majority :-( > > Look, out of necessity, I too am trying to wean myself of VMS I'm not, definitely not. > that the Jan-Erik's and Dickie > Maher's of this VMS world do nothing.".) I'd realy like to ask to to stop to make up out of nothing what *I* am or doing or not. > I had envisaged the odd > pat-on-the-back or at least a simple "Well done". Well done. It got me to d/l and install the Flex Builder demo, just trying to find time to load your (and Peter Weawers) examples... > PPS. I have to plead guilty to being an absolute knob-head for not > encouraging your earlier interest in installing a hobbyist Tier3 kit on your > personal boxes and having a go! I'd realy like to do that, I just do not have the time. > I won't stalk you now, but I'd really like > to get my examples up and running on your servers +/- FlexBuilder > just for interest's sake; Dito. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:16:07 -0400 From: DrSlinky Subject: Re: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <48520298$0$5009$607ed4bc@cv.net> ultradwc@gmail.com wrote: > On Jun 12, 1:33 pm, "David Turner, Island Computers" > wrote: >> Right >> And noone ever dies in the USA from "neglect" in the hospitals. >> >> -- >> David B Turner >> >> ============================================= >> >> Island Computers US Corp >> PO Box 86 >> Tybee GA 31328 >> >> Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 >> Email: dtur...@islandco.com >> International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 >> Fax: 912 786 8505 >> Web:www.islandco.com >> >> ============================================= wrote in message >> >> news:bc68f831-339d-4173-a0f7-e48fa8f92e99@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >>> here is a glance of things to come if Hillary or Obama implement >>> their healthcare plan ... the bbc did not report it but a teen died >>> while waiting on an ambulance that was setting at the hospital >>> with a patient inside because the hospitals were full and did not >>> want to violate a government mandate of a 4 hour must treat law. >>> Canada people coming here ... England people that have the money >>> flying to India to have surgery ... >>> don't worry, those rich liberal Harvard grads will be able to afford >>> it while those they claim to want to help will be dying waiting for >>> an ambulance ... >>> that what socialism does, it ruins a country ... >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7249514.stm > > at least they die in a hospital and not in an ambulance ... Yes, the die in the hospital waiting room, filling out page after page of insurance forms. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:22:53 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: Weendoze for a VMS bigot Message-ID: VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > Seeing as there's no such thing as a real 'HELP' command > under Weendoze nor anything akin to the unixy 'apropos', finding a command > to use in Weendoze is virtually impossible. ...and 'cacls', WTF is that? Did you try it? 'HELP'? Granted, it's nothing as good as the VMS HELP, but it's a list of commands with a one-line description. cu, Martin P.S.: cacls - Control ACLs, maybe? -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jun 2008 20:11:19 -0500 From: BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) Subject: Re: Weendoze for a VMS bigot Message-ID: In article <485156be$0$5016$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <8UwMP66s2mc8@eisner.encompasserve.org>, BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) writes: >>I think from reading the thread up to this point that you did get cacls >>to work, although after the dpm's post I am not sure. > > It is what I used. Seeing as there's no such thing as a real 'HELP' command HELP CACLS should at least tell you something. Not to mention CACLS /? . > under Weendoze nor anything akin to the unixy 'apropos', finding a command to > use in Weendoze is virtually impossible. ...and 'cacls', WTF is that? Hens > in the twinkie and coke vending machine rooms at the Redmond Academy of Soft- > ware Neophytes Emitting Substandard Often Flawed Technology inspiring command > verbs? RASNESOFT? >>cacls did _not_ work for me (maybe I needed /E ? ) but eventually I went to >>someone I knew in our Windows servers group and she showed me how to take >>ownership of the file from the gui (Properties -> -> ). >> >>After that, cacls worked as advertised. > > If you have access to the M$ GUI thing, why would you use the raucous chicken > noise command? Because I am a command line bigot? If it can't be done from a command line, is it worth doing at all? Actually, I was trying to learn something when I worked on this problem, since it looked as if someone had created a file which Administrator could not delete. Once my coworker returned from vacation, I knew he could clean up the files, but I wanted to know what tools were available to me on my own laptop. My problem with gui's is that the result is not scriptable. And it can take three pages of screen prints if you want to record how you did it for future reference or for someone else's use. -- George Cornelius cornelius A T eisner D O T decus D O T org cornelius A T mayo D O T edu > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.328 ************************