INFO-VAX Mon, 09 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 321 Contents: Re: Aletered Persona surviving image exit Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 7.17.1 Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity? Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity? Re: NCL question Re: NCL question Re: NCL question Re: NCL question Re: NCL question Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Remembering APL-11 (WAS: Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals) SPF in TCPIP$BIND WAS Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Re: SPF in TCPIP$BIND WAS Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Re: TCPIP SH HOST Re: TCPIP SH HOST Re: TCPIP SH HOST Re: VMS layered products paper documentation updates problem ? Re: VMS layered products paper documentation updates problem ? Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update) Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Jun 2008 08:06:21 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Aletered Persona surviving image exit Message-ID: In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > > I've just remembered the theory for getting a process to exit an image and > return to DCL with the current persona being different than that of the > natural persona. Basically the image (de)activator resets the persona of the > process to the natural persona as part of the image rundown procedures, but > it does this before calling any inner-mode rundown handlers; so my theory is > that one of your Exec mode UWSS rundown handlers can reset the persona back > to any permanent and inner-mode persona. You can do a lot of things in exec mode, but only if you have the privilege to get there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:00:13 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , John Reagan writes: >>off the tape just fine (finding a TK70 drive was the fun part). I'll >>convert them into PDF with Acrobat. I'll try to get them stuck on the >>next freeware CD but in the meantime, if you want to send me some email >>I'll send them. I didn't find any SDML Document sources (or whatever >>they were written in), just the .PS files. > > > Can you put the .PS there too? > I can. -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32 Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Happy 10 years of continuous virus free computing on OpenVMS alpha 7.1 7.17.1 Message-ID: <90d9d32c-ee99-435b-84d9-c46d9701268f@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> how many other OS's can claim that? well we can can on OpenVMS 7.1 and we have another 4 years planned on it ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:50:19 -0400 From: "Jilly" Subject: Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity? Message-ID: <484d3536$0$16937$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com> "Michael Moroney" wrote in message news:g2fg3v$rsj$1@pcls6.std.com... > Michael Austin writes: > >>Graham Burley wrote: >>> In article >>> <8660a3a10806061615m71061468t4cc16431cecd1709@mail.gmail.com>, "William >>> Webb" writes: >>>> Inquiring minds want to know. >>> >>> Notes for IA64 is on the OpenVMS Freeware V7.0 >>> > >>On that same "note" - wasn't there an web interface for Notes? > > There was a web interface to Notes within Digital; I don't know what > became of it. > > Notes does speak TCPIP as well, so it can be used over the internet. > > Who still uses Notes? Even within HP, except for a very limited few > (including a couple by the VMS group), Notes is practically dead. > NOTES usage within HP is still very much alive and well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:02:40 -0400 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: Has anybody ported VAX notes to Integrity? Message-ID: Michael Moroney wrote: > Who still uses Notes? Even within HP, except for a very limited few > (including a couple by the VMS group), Notes is practically dead. > As Jilly said, Notes is still heavily used in the OpenVMS organization. We have so much history in the notesfiles (which can be searched) and it runs on OpenVMS. -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32 Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:42:47 +0100 From: "Roger Fraser" Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: <484ccd17$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net> "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.ucfunvhnhv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... Recently rebooted 8.3 which had been running on DS10L onto ES45. Now can do a SET HOST to that node, and can't wade my way throught NCL to find device names and how to change them Version = T5.0.3 NCL>help sho dev show device show [node node-id] device attribute [,attribute] all [attributes] all characteristics all status Example: show device * all Additional information available: Characteristic Status unit NCL>sho device * all %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command sho device \*\ all NCL>show known %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command show \known\ Can't say I am fond of this interface. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com Question: You know what the old NCP command was. But what on earth is it in NCL? Answer:. $ run sys$update:decnet_migrate DECNET_MIGRATE> CONVERT COMMAND "old ncp command" e.g. DECNET_MIGRATE> CONVERT COMMAND "show known obj" gives SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION * ALL STATUS Other things like ethernet addresses which, in NCP, you could get from MC NCP SHOW KNOWN LINE CHAR is now MC NCL SHOW ID (part of SHOW ALL) and MC NCP SHOW EXEC STAT becomes MC NCL followed by NCL> SHOW ALL STATUS NCL> SHOW NSP ALL STATUS NCL> SHOW SESS CONT ALL STATUS NCL> SHOW ROUT ALL STATUS To get the version of DECnet/OSI or DECnet/PLUS use: MC NCL SHOW IMPLEMENTATION HTH Roger PS I have gone back to phase IV too!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 01:16:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Fekko Stubbe Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: <87e773e4-2cf0-4175-97cb-2950090d80fb@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Tou get the info you want with show csma station * all char Or simular commans (see help about show csma) Fekko ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 02:08:07 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: <2a784952-2484-4c08-a4ba-4e7266b962c0@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jun 9, 9:16 am, Fekko Stubbe wrote: > Tou get the info you want with > > show csma station * all char > > Or simular commans (see help about show csma) > Fekko The simplest way would be to do SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE.COM the basic config has few questions, NCL is not the same as NCP and never will be. It has been around for 15 years or more. Perhaps you should spend some time getting to know it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 08:42:44 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: <1213022099_6325@isp.n> Tom Linden wrote: > Recently rebooted 8.3 which had been running on DS10L onto > ES45. Now can do a SET HOST to that node, and can't wade > my way throught NCL to find device names and how to change > them > > Version = T5.0.3 > > NCL>help sho dev > > show > > device > > > show [node node-id] device attribute [,attribute] > all [attributes] > all characteristics > all status > > Example: > > show device * all > > > > Additional information available: > > Characteristic Status unit > > > NCL>sho device * all > %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command > sho device \*\ all > > NCL>show known > %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command > show \known\ > > Can't say I am fond of this interface. > My favorite NCL command is flush. It's the only command starting with "f" but requires the entire command line. No defaults ============================================ $ MCR NCL NCL>help flush flush_(OpenVMS) Removes one or more entries from the in-memory, local naming cache. flush [node node-id] session control naming cache entry "node-name" Note: The NCL session control naming cache (CDI cache) is not related to the DECdns cache files. To view what was in the CDI cache the last time a CDI checkpoint was taken, issue the following command: $ run sys$system:cdi_cache_dump To flush the entire CDI cache (with the exception of those for the local node and any aliases it may be using): flush session control naming cache entry "*" Or to flush single entries: flush session control naming cache entry "lamchp" flush session control naming cache entry "NET$490014000400010020" flush session control naming cache entry "IP$16.37.168.217" Topic? NCL>flush %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command flush\\ NCL>flush session %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command flush session\\ NCL>flush session control Node 0 Session Control at 2008-06-09-08:30:40.151-06:00Iinf NCL>flush session control naming %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command flush session control naming\\ NCL>flush session control naming cache %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command flush session control naming cache\\ NCL>flush session control naming cache entry Node 0 Session Control at 2008-06-09-08:31:03.011-06:00Iinf command failed due to: process failure NCL>flush session control naming cache entry * %NCL-E-INVALIDCOMMAND, unrecognized command flush session control naming cache entry \*\ NCL>flush session control naming cache entry "*" Node 0 Session Control at 2008-06-09-08:31:21.808-06:00Iinf NCL> ^Z ====================================================== This is the only CLI I've run into over the years that requires a quoted asterisk as an argument. Since flush_(OpenVMS) is a VMS only command, why???? All of the examples in the help quoted above should be: flush lamchp flus NET$490014000400010020 f IP$16.37.168.217 and f[lush] should default to flush session control naming cache entry "*" Jeff ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 16:07:47 +0100 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: NCL question Message-ID: "Jeff Campbell" wrote in message news:1213022099_6325@isp.n... > My favorite NCL command is flush. It's the only command starting with > "f" but requires the entire command line. I think you can shorten it down to f s c n c e "*". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:58:35 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: Peter Weaver wrote: > This is completely off-topic, but I hope someone here knows the answer. > > When talking to one of my sisters today I asked about an invitation I sent > her last week to her hotmail.com address. She said that she did not receive > it. One of my other sisters did not respond to the same email and it turns > out that she also uses hotmail.com. Another friend who uses hotmail did not > respond to a recent email as I expected them to. > > I created my own hotmail account tonight and sent an email to it from my > domain more than two hours ago, that email has not yet arrived in my hotmail > account. My outgoing SMTP logs show no errors at all, hotmail accepted the > email fine. I sent an email from hotmail to weaverconsulting.ca and that > email arrived within seconds, a reply to that email made it back to my > hotmail account. > > Every time I reply to an email hotmail.com delivers the message with no > problems. But if I send an email that is not a reply, even though I > cut/pasted the hotmail.com address, the message is not delivered to my > hotmail inbox. I even searched through my SMTP log file to make sure the > address I am replying to is exactly the same as the address I use when not > doing a reply. > > The hotmail junk email filter is set to standard, junk email should go to > the junk folder. But nothing appears in the junk folder. I did try adding > weaverconsulting.ca to the hotmail safe sender list, but that did not help. > > Does anyone know why hotmail.com is silently dropping emails after accepting > them? (Yes, I did send this question to hotmail, using their 1000 character > limit webpage that actually reject anything over 970 some-odd characters, > but I do not expect any answer from them other than a cut/paste FAQ.) > Maybe you should obtain and read the "cut/paste FAQ"? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:36:09 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: <02989e97$0$25056$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Peter Weaver wrote: > When talking to one of my sisters today I asked about an invitation I sent > her last week to her hotmail.com address. She said that she did not receive > it. >a reply to that email made it back to my > hotmail account. > Does anyone know why hotmail.com is silently dropping emails after accepting > them? It is a microsoft product :-) And yes, I have experienced the same thing. Adding an SPF record to your DNS entries greatly helps. Having a reverse DNS pointing to your domain greatly helps. I was able to send an email to out neighbour who is on hotmail. (funny that to reach the house next door, the email would have travelled across the continent a couple of times :-). She got it, but it went into her "junk mail" folder. Prior to having the SPF records, emails would consistently NOT get deposited anywhere in the recipient's mailbox. (but like you, hotmail accepted responsability for the messages). There is no way to get any support from Hotmail. Remember that if you want "assured delivery" there are options you can buy with hotmail (not sure if that ever took off). Microsoft feels that hotmail is an important enough property that its users will always blame problems on the sender and never consider that thir hotmail may be the culprit. And of course, they never know about emails that hotmail never delivered. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:22:18 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: RDNS issues were our problem. It was happening with AOL & Hotmail Your ISP or DNS/Tx provider needs to set this up... My 1.5c worth -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Ken Robinson" wrote in message news:7dd80f60806082148j1d07d098x8dd2503693821a6a@mail.gmail.com... > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Peter Weaver > wrote: >> I created my own hotmail account tonight and sent an email to it from my >> domain more than two hours ago, that email has not yet arrived in my >> hotmail >> account. My outgoing SMTP logs show no errors at all, hotmail accepted >> the >> email fine. I sent an email from hotmail to weaverconsulting.ca and that >> email arrived within seconds, a reply to that email made it back to my >> hotmail account. >> >> Every time I reply to an email hotmail.com delivers the message with no >> problems. But if I send an email that is not a reply, even though I >> cut/pasted the hotmail.com address, the message is not delivered to my >> hotmail inbox. I even searched through my SMTP log file to make sure the >> address I am replying to is exactly the same as the address I use when >> not >> doing a reply. > > Take a look at this > page. > > The reason that your email makes it to hotmail once you send from > there is that your address is now on the "whitelist". > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:25:34 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: STCTON10-1168104581.sdsl.bell.ca is the RDNS listing for your IP. It should be weaverconsulting.ca -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Ken Robinson" wrote in message news:7dd80f60806082148j1d07d098x8dd2503693821a6a@mail.gmail.com... > On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Peter Weaver > wrote: >> I created my own hotmail account tonight and sent an email to it from my >> domain more than two hours ago, that email has not yet arrived in my >> hotmail >> account. My outgoing SMTP logs show no errors at all, hotmail accepted >> the >> email fine. I sent an email from hotmail to weaverconsulting.ca and that >> email arrived within seconds, a reply to that email made it back to my >> hotmail account. >> >> Every time I reply to an email hotmail.com delivers the message with no >> problems. But if I send an email that is not a reply, even though I >> cut/pasted the hotmail.com address, the message is not delivered to my >> hotmail inbox. I even searched through my SMTP log file to make sure the >> address I am replying to is exactly the same as the address I use when >> not >> doing a reply. > > Take a look at this > page. > > The reason that your email makes it to hotmail once you send from > there is that your address is now on the "whitelist". > > Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:30:46 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: <484d6a7f$0$31218$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> BTW, if you need an ISP that allows fixed IP, servers and provide reverse DNS to your domain, look into www.teksavvy.com They are very affordable and provide good tech support, are actively fighting for net neutrality and offer unblocked ports. For inbound mail, they do offer professsional spam filtering using ironport appliances. They also offer MLPPP which allowws to bind multiple DSL lines into a single logical link that gives you higher throughput. (the above applies to canadians in ontario/québec, as well as alberta/BC) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:45:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Galen Subject: Remembering APL-11 (WAS: Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals) Message-ID: <60048e01-8a01-436e-9d3c-08a263971bf8@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> If anyone should ever become interested enough in APL-11 I believe I have a hard copy of the last manual that was every published. I would be willing to make a copy and ship it (expenses to be paid by person requesting copy) if someone would like to have one. Just curious: Has anyone seen a copy of APL-11 media recently? Since APL-11 dates from so long ago, "recently" can be taken to mean within the last 10 or so years :-) I actually did some useful work with APL-11 way back in the early 1980's. A mechanical engineering lab at Lockheed Sunnyvale was data matrices which needed various manipulations. I found a book in Lockheed's library (long since gone, I imagine) with many APL algorithms. The code they needed, primarily solutions and determinants, was there and could all be done in the somewhat limited -11 implementation of the language. The size of the source code was almost trivial, typical of APL. All the code I supplied them (written by others, tweaked by me) would have easily fit on one side of a 3 in. x 5 in. card, probably in 14 point type. Few were they who could actually read the code "cold" and understand it, though... The lab engineers were pretty impressed that APL could do so simply a job they expected to be much more challenging. The standard ASCII character set implementation of overstrikes in APL-11 made any code look pretty strange, but perhaps not any stranger than it would look with the full APL character set. I think we may have bought the APL character set for a DECwriter at one point. I even used to belong to the APL SIG. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:18:36 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: SPF in TCPIP$BIND WAS Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:48:18 -0700, Ken Robinson wrote: > Take a look at this > page. > The reason that your email makes it to hotmail once you send from > there is that your address is now on the "whitelist". To make it on topic. Is anyone out there using SPF entries in their DNS? What are the experiences? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:28:49 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: SPF in TCPIP$BIND WAS Re: OT: What filtering does Hotmail use? Message-ID: <484d5b53$0$12303$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Tom Linden wrote: > > Is anyone out there using SPF entries in their DNS? What are the > experiences? > I added SPF specifically to try to debug hotmail problems because someone suggested that lack of SPF was a sure way to be disliked by Microsoft. I used http://www.openspf.org/ to create my SPF records. Mine ended up as: > vIxEnation.ca. 3600 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ptr include:tIksavvy.com ~all" I included the SPF records of my ISP so that should I need it, I could email from my domain via their SMTP server. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: TCPIP SH HOST Message-ID: <21165fef-f180-4df4-80b9-b417561a563d@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Jun 8, 5:31 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:10:32 -0700, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to > > reply wrote: > > In article , "Tom Linden" > > writes: > > >> It would be useful to also display all aliases > > > What do you mean? I get a comma-separated list containing the main > > entry and the aliases. > > Only for the node you are on. Maybe the correct question would be how > to enter the aliases of the other nodes. > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com TCPIP SHOW HOST xxx does the IP address, name and aliases on the UCX V5.6 systems I have here. To add aliases TCPIP SET HOST hostname /ALIAS=aaaaa You may need to place hostname and aaaa in quotes to preserve case. (See TCPIP HELP SET HOST) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 08:28:50 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: TCPIP SH HOST Message-ID: On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 02:03:13 -0700, IanMiller wrote: > On Jun 8, 5:31 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: >> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:10:32 -0700, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES t= o >> >> reply wrote: >> > In article , "Tom = >> Linden" >> > writes: >> >> >> It would be useful to also display all aliases >> >> > What do you mean? I get a comma-separated list containing the main= >> > entry and the aliases. >> >> Only for the node you are on. Maybe the correct question would be ho= w >> to enter the aliases of the other nodes. >> >> -- >> PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com > > TCPIP SHOW HOST xxx does the IP address, name and aliases on the UCX > V5.6 systems I have here. To add aliases > > TCPIP SET HOST hostname /ALIAS=3Daaaaa > > You may need to place hostname and aaaa in quotes to preserve case. > > (See TCPIP HELP SET HOST) OK, a few more questions How is HOSTS.DAT used, it only has Localhost in it? Could you put all the IP info in it, as is done on Unix? Is it possible to have only one central copy of TCPIP$HOST.DAT in the = cluster on a separate disk? Aliases should not go into the BIND database, right? -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:48:46 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: TCPIP SH HOST Message-ID: <484d522f$0$7278$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Tom Linden wrote: > How is HOSTS.DAT used, it only has Localhost in it? > Could you put all the IP info in it, as is done on Unix? The name RESOLVER on a node, when asked to translate a host to an IP, will first look into its local hosts database, and if not found there, sends a DNS request to the configured DNS server(s). The HOST database is required if you have entered a fully qualified host NAME as a DNS server. You will need to be able to resolve that one locally before you can access extrenal DNS servers. You also want the local node defined in the hosts database, I think it helps with TCPIP startup (stuff that happens before external DNS is available). > Is it possible to have only one central copy of TCPIP$HOST.DAT in the > cluster > on a separate disk? Not sure about it. But SHOW LOG TCPIP$HOST does seem to provide for a way to move the hosts file it is defined by default in: "TCPIP$HOST" = "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]TCPIP$HOST.DAT;1" Not sure how you would go about properly defining it during TCPIP startup though. (aka: making sure it is defined early enough that erly TCPIP stuff doesn't use the default location). ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jun 2008 10:59:17 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: VMS layered products paper documentation updates problem ? Message-ID: In article , clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: > In article , John Reagan writes: >> Simon Clubley wrote: >> >>> I'm still interested in knowing if anyone else has received current >>> versions of the DCPS and DEC C paper documentation kits as part of their >>> contract; there have been more recent versions of both of those products. >>> >> >> We don't update the documentation at each compiler release. >> >> What version is printed on the title page of your hardcopy manual? >> >> Part number on the book? >> > > Thanks for replying. > > The last version of the Language Reference Manual and the User Guide > that I have are for version 6.5. The part number on the contract is > QA-MU7AA-GZ and I have confirmed that the part number is listed in > the current HP/DEC C SPD. > > What was the last version of HP/DEC C to get a printed manual update ? > BTW, has anyone else in the UK found software items on their contract that they once received updates on, but apparently no longer do, yet HP neglected to inform them of that fact or remove the old items from the contract ? For example, the layered products media kits used to be updated on CD on an individual basis, yet now only come on the consolidated software update CDs only (at least according to the current SPDs). Also, is anyone else having problems getting general HP contract queries within the UK answered ? I _still_ haven't been able to find out from HP UK what the last printed versions of the DEC/HP C manuals and the DCPS manuals were. I don't recall it ever been this difficult in years gone past getting answers to straightforward VMS related queries... Thanks for any feedback, Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:02:55 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS layered products paper documentation updates problem ? Message-ID: Simon Clubley wrote: > In article , clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: >> In article , John Reagan writes: >>> Simon Clubley wrote: >>> >>>> I'm still interested in knowing if anyone else has received current >>>> versions of the DCPS and DEC C paper documentation kits as part of their >>>> contract; there have been more recent versions of both of those products. >>>> >>> We don't update the documentation at each compiler release. >>> >>> What version is printed on the title page of your hardcopy manual? >>> >>> Part number on the book? >>> >> Thanks for replying. >> >> The last version of the Language Reference Manual and the User Guide >> that I have are for version 6.5. The part number on the contract is >> QA-MU7AA-GZ and I have confirmed that the part number is listed in >> the current HP/DEC C SPD. >> >> What was the last version of HP/DEC C to get a printed manual update ? >> > > BTW, has anyone else in the UK found software items on their contract that > they once received updates on, but apparently no longer do, yet HP neglected > to inform them of that fact or remove the old items from the contract ? > > For example, the layered products media kits used to be updated on CD > on an individual basis, yet now only come on the consolidated software > update CDs only (at least according to the current SPDs). > > Also, is anyone else having problems getting general HP contract queries > within the UK answered ? > > I _still_ haven't been able to find out from HP UK what the last printed > versions of the DEC/HP C manuals and the DCPS manuals were. > > I don't recall it ever been this difficult in years gone past getting > answers to straightforward VMS related queries... > A few years ago, HP still had a few people who knew what VMS was! I expect that things will get worse. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 14:45:56 +0100 From: "pos" Subject: Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update) Message-ID: <484d3410_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com> > No, it's been improved to appeal to Brits like you. It now resembles the > Pontins accommodations such as those in Brean Sands, Somerset. Hi-de-Hi! > You'll just love it but be sure to stock up on electric metre cards when > you arrive to insure that the lights don't go out on you while you're in > taking your 30 seconds of rationed water shower. The grounds about the > Sheraton are not as full of duck shit as at Pontins, which may leave you > pining for home, but I'd wager that that could be addressed by having you > visit the area around the non-paged pool. MCR SYSGEN SET POOLCHECK 1 ------------------------------ Date: 09 Jun 2008 14:06:42 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: You're not being the ball Danny. (Was: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update) Message-ID: <484d38f2$0$5004$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <484d3410_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, "pos" writes: > >> No, it's been improved to appeal to Brits like you. It now resembles the >> Pontins accommodations such as those in Brean Sands, Somerset. Hi-de-Hi! >> You'll just love it but be sure to stock up on electric metre cards when >> you arrive to insure that the lights don't go out on you while you're in >> taking your 30 seconds of rationed water shower. The grounds about the >> Sheraton are not as full of duck shit as at Pontins, which may leave you >> pining for home, but I'd wager that that could be addressed by having you >> visit the area around the non-paged pool. > >MCR SYSGEN SET POOLCHECK 1 LOL! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.321 ************************