INFO-VAX Mon, 19 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 279 Contents: RE: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards DEC Document Re: DEC Document Re: DEC Document Re: DEC Document Re: DEC Document Re: EDS and LSE Re: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs OT: Need HTML Help Re: So who's running VMS anyway? Re: VAX Media Re: VAX Media Re: VAX Media Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) VOTE NOW - OpenVMS.org 2007 Readers' Choice Awards ZX6000/RZ2600 memory question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 11:06:47 -0400 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: RE: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: <013d01c8b9c1$f58a5710$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP> > Voting began on saturday may 17th. > > The voting page is at: > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=RCA2007 > > However, someone has been messing with the timeline (doctor who again ?) > and the page is stuck in time, still announcing that the voting page > will be available on saturday may 17th. I wonder when they will start the voting. I know that two companies nominated my company but neither of the people who did the nominating received a confirmation message so I am curious to see if I made the top three. Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca www.openvmsvirtualization.com www.vaxvirtualization.com www.alphavirtualization.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: <3e9cabbc-7e3d-4b82-88d4-cc9812c48718@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Hopefully voting will start around noon today. Real life is what happens when you are making other plans :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:13:16 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: Voting is now open http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=RCA2007 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 06:33:04 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: DEC Document Message-ID: Anybody know if Touch Technologies, Inc. is still alive. They don't respond to email or phone calls -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2008 14:44:44 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: DEC Document Message-ID: <4831925c$1$25049$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >Anybody know if Touch Technologies, Inc. is still alive. >They don't respond to email or phone calls Their web site is still available at http://www.ttinet.com I did some work for TTI. I'll fire off an email to Dan Esbensen if you'd like or I can forward his email to you. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:54:26 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: DEC Document Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >> Anybody know if Touch Technologies, Inc. is still alive. >> They don't respond to email or phone calls > > Their web site is still available at http://www.ttinet.com > > I did some work for TTI. I'll fire off an email to Dan Esbensen if you'd > like or I can forward his email to you. > I have the latest kit (3.3G) and a working PAK. If they happens to have stopped supporting it... Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2008 15:07:46 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: DEC Document Message-ID: <483197c1$0$15205$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >>> Anybody know if Touch Technologies, Inc. is still alive. >>> They don't respond to email or phone calls >> >> Their web site is still available at http://www.ttinet.com >> >> I did some work for TTI. I'll fire off an email to Dan Esbensen if you'd >> like or I can forward his email to you. >> > >I have the latest kit (3.3G) and a working PAK. >If they happens to have stopped supporting it... I have V3.3 from way back in 1999. What's the date on the DOC$ROOT:[TOOLS]DOCUMENT_{arch}.EXE in the G rev? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:03:33 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: DEC Document Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >>>> Anybody know if Touch Technologies, Inc. is still alive. >>>> They don't respond to email or phone calls >>> Their web site is still available at http://www.ttinet.com >>> >>> I did some work for TTI. I'll fire off an email to Dan Esbensen if you'd >>> like or I can forward his email to you. >>> >> I have the latest kit (3.3G) and a working PAK. >> If they happens to have stopped supporting it... > > I have V3.3 from way back in 1999. > > What's the date on the DOC$ROOT:[TOOLS]DOCUMENT_{arch}.EXE in the G rev? > Sorry, I've got 3.3H... :-) Image Identification Information image name: "DOCUMENT_AXP" image file identification: "DOC V3.3H" image file build identification: "" link date/time: 2-JUL-2001 18:47:50.02 linker identification: "A11-14" $ @sys$startup:DOC$STARTUP Starting DECdocument V3.3h $ The main TTI page says : "NEW RELEASE! DECdocument v3.3G for OpenVMS!" The specific "More information" DECdoc page says : "NEW RELEASE! DECdocument v3.3E for OpenVMS!" Well... :-) :-) Regards, /Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 05:52:36 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: EDS and LSE Message-ID: On Fri, 16 May 2008 14:24:16 -0700, Marc Van Dyck wrote: > Bob Koehler brought next idea : >> In article , Marc Van Dyck >> writes: >>> Well, I haven't used LSE very much lately, but last time I tried, >>> if I remember well, it was still a pure monochrome editor. Adding >>> colors to language sensitivity to match parenthesis, highlight syntaxes >>> and structures, etc, would definitely be a plus. >> >> Colors are really handy when working with cryptic languages based on >> C, where you never know what "}" means. >> >> Some of us actually prefer to work in languages that don't have that >> problem. In such cases colors are not so helpfull. > > Well, it depends... I usually program in Pascal, and when you have > a suite of heavily nested IF-THEN-ELSE statements, colors to mark > the differents levels would be nice. Just one example... > In anycase, if they annoy you you can always turn them off, but if they > haven't been implemented, you can't turn them on ! > emacs has the best language support. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:31:35 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Message-ID: <8660a3a10805191031n1a2f6eem37257788bd915990@mail.gmail.com> On 5/12/08, nafc@snet.net wrote: > I'm in a bit of a bind here. Our auditors want us to scan all our > severs for sensitive data. In this case that would be files > containing Social Security No.s or Credit Card No.s. I've been able > to find scripts to do this for our *nix servers but haven't been able > to find anything for our one remaining VMS server (VAXstation 4000-90 > running VMS V6.2). > > I have my doubts that I'll find anything so I'm sure I'll have to > write my own command procedure. It would help if I could get VMS > ports for grep & awk so I can use Extended Regular Expressions when > searching for SSNs & CCNs. I have found them on the HP freeware site: > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/ > > But the installations fail. Does anyone known where else I could go > to get them? > > Thanks > You *are* in a bit of a bind. I know from research that SSNs don't have any check digit scheme for verification purposes, and I know from working in the bank credit card business that credit cards do. However, it was many, many years ago (back when they had warning bulletins which were booklets printed on very thin paper which listed lost/stolen cards- in other words before computers were ubiquitous) and even if I remembered the check digit formulae, they've probably been changed since then- even if they haven't, I would not be able to divulge them for obvious reasons. Then there is the issue of how the numbers are stored, e.g. XXX-XX-XXXX or XXXXXXXXX. WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 08:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: <12038e29-60df-4246-9e17-2c6a9ec25589@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 13, 8:58=A0am, "Richard Maher" wrote: > Hi David, > > I too vote for w3schools.com, and am a big fan! Their html tag reference, > wysiwyg examples, dhtml, dom, javascript and css pages are fantastic! > > And just think, once you've glanced at all those pages, there's every chan= ce > that VMS Middle Management will promote you to their IMM Team and fly you > round the world at great expense to the VMS license-payer, just so that yo= u > can lecture to the unsuspecting VMS client-base on what they should be > investing in for the next five years. Yes roll-up, roll-up, the IMM junket= > season is in full swing. (This could be the last hoorah, so make sure you > sign up for what promises to make Tortuga look like a Temperance Hall!) > > I see they've also pulled out the big-guns of the faith, with both John > Travolta *and* Tom Cruise turning up to explain that there is absolutely n= o > need for physciatrists here, and that Web-Services are meant to be both th= at > fucking complicated and poorly performing *by design*! What can be mistake= n > by the novice for ticks and nervous twitches (and the irresistable desire = to > suck one's thumb in the fetal position) is what we in the IT industry refe= r > to as a bloody-good money-spinner! You tell people it's "industry-standard= " > and "portable" and then sell them consultancy-services as the only way to > get a working client that can talk to your server. JAX-WS, AXIS-2, it's al= l > the same right? *WRONG*! > > Anyway, bring along your philately collection or anything else you'd care = to > talk about; we look after our own at IMM, once you're a made-man. But > remember that "someday, and that day may never come, I'll call upon you to= > do a service for me." (Which may involve sticking a knife into a good mate= 's > back and then stamping on his fucking head!) But, until that day, accept > this justice (and lifelong IMM income) as a gift on my Bootcamp day. > > Regards Richard Maher > > PS. Altogether now: - > > "Did I think you would leave me dy-i-ing, when there's room on your horse > for two?" > "Piss-off Dick! And stop your bit-ching; there's no space at the trough fo= r > you!" > "When we grow up, we'll both be wa-an-kers; and VMS still in strife." > "And I wonder if we'll re-mem-ber, when we both thought it had a life?" > > "David J Dachtera" wrote in messagenews:48028= F8D.E9D50E8C@spam.comcast.net... > > > > > Looking for someone who would be willing to correspond with me off-line > > about building web pages by hand (in a text editor). > > > How to de-mung the reply-to should be obvious. > > > David J Dachtera > > (formerly dba) DJE Systems- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I just saw this neat article at IBM's developer site: "HTML V5 and XHTML V2" http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/x-html5xhtml2.html On a related note, I just saw a very cool non-wysiwyg "HTML Editor" called Aptana which is based upon Eclipse. Many people requiring wysiwyg features will probably think this tool is a waste of time, but if your going to be developing web pages which use JavaScript, AJAX, PHP then you should definately check out www.aptana.com Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jose Baars Subject: Re: So who's running VMS anyway? Message-ID: <3e6269e8-9aad-4996-92e4-73f9be021ca5@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> I do appreciate the value of the argument, although it definitely is not special to OpenVMS. I agree that middleware in general is solving a problem that never has been identified properly. Attempts at defining 'the problem' have been : - Heterogeous networks, TCP/IP and....( DECNET? SNA? IPX? Really Important! ) - Asynchronous delivery to avoid dependency on network outages ( when was your network really down? how about saving it to a file first?) - send once receive many ( see the socket manual under MULTICAST), - guaranteed delivery once and once only ( this was called handshaking and checksumming since before I was born) - shielding pogrammers from network intricacies ( Why? Hire two programmers: one for the hetwork stuff, one for the business logic, in stead of having a middleware department for years after that How? By having them use a product that comes with a 30000 page manual set? All these 'problems' are either outdated, do not deserve more than a footnote in the design of an interface, or shift any possible problems from the one-time design and programming effort to the daily troubles of system maintenance. So, the bulk of middleware has as main features the following : - false promises - failing or no support - numerous bugs - ridiculous license fees - huge daily maintenance costs - unreliable vendors - security issues > PPS. Here's a tip for the customers out there. I've got another > universal-adapter; it's called a "Socket" and they come free with pretty > much every computer or network appliance that you buy. Could be worth > looking into? What's more, the manual of this adapter is a fraction of the length of the average middleware. ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2008 08:29:56 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: In article <4830ab88$0$7312$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > >> Explain "the last one with all features". What features were removed >> from 7.3? IIRC, 7.3 offers some features which 7.2 doesn't. > > By removing display postscript for instance, one needs to update many > layered products and some no longer work on 7.3. > > 7.2 is the last one with the Digital logo for login screen on > decwindows. That is a big loss. Odd, my Alpha running 7.3 shows the digital logo. Perhap because I'm not using CDE? IMHO the ability to access MSCP served ODS-5 disks in 7.3 is of much greater importance than the loss of Display Postscript. ghostview handles all my Postscript needs just fine. YYMV. ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2008 12:55:57 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: <483178dd$0$15185$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article <4830ab88$0$7312$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >> >>> Explain "the last one with all features". What features were removed >>> from 7.3? IIRC, 7.3 offers some features which 7.2 doesn't. >> >> By removing display postscript for instance, one needs to update many >> layered products and some no longer work on 7.3. >> >> 7.2 is the last one with the Digital logo for login screen on >> decwindows. That is a big loss. > > Odd, my Alpha running 7.3 shows the digital logo. Perhap because > I'm not using CDE? > > IMHO the ability to access MSCP served ODS-5 disks in 7.3 is of much > greater importance than the loss of Display Postscript. ghostview > handles all my Postscript needs just fine. > > YYMV. The loss of DPS affected some software which relied upon it; notably, DECwrite. There was another product too but what that was excapes me at the moment. I've been using GS/GV since DPS was excised. It's OK but there's one postscript file that I have that causes GS to vomit up a large stack dump when trying to process it. The PS file is fine on my Mac under Preview, on Linux with Evince Document Viewer, and several PostScript printers; it only seems to cause GS great pain. One thing I *DO* like about GS is that I can test 'execform' forms I have written. Execute the form from the command line and then, at its prompt, another postscript file can be included which will render atop the form. The result can then be easily previewed with a 'showpage'. One of the things I typically incorporate atop a form is a postscript reticle to determine if all of the form elements are laid out where I intended them to be placed. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 06:28:40 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: VAX Media Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2008 12:47:01 -0700, AJ Schroeder wrote: > Hello group, > > I just aquired a VAX 6000 from a dumpster dive and I went to > www.openvmshobbyist.org to try and get the installation media it says > that > they are out of stock. Does anyone know where I could get installation > media for VAX? Or do I even need it if I am planning on using it as a > satellite node in an alpha cluster? > > Thanks, > > AJ Which version are you looking for? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2008 17:22:26 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of Unix su (was Account creation) Message-ID: <69draiF31cmm8U1@mid.individual.net> In article <82b3a9c3-3f0e-4194-b135-43d52f03f935@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, Jerry Eckert writes: > On May 17, 2:02 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> You are quite right.  Contrary to what has become the popular meaning >> promoted by Linux weenies, it is not the "SuperUser" command but actually >> the "SwitchUser" command. >> > In all fairness to the Linux folks, 'su' was not uncommonly referred > to as the 'superuser' command, at least in some circles, back in the > late 70s/early 80s when I was first exposed to Unix. Well, in all fairness :-) it is actually not SwitchUser either it is "substitute user identity". And, in all my years of associating with real Unix people, at places like USENIX, I never once heard one of them call it "The SuperUser command". Nor have I ever used that appellation. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:51:21 -0400 From: "Ken Farmer" Subject: VOTE NOW - OpenVMS.org 2007 Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: <4831b093$0$31748$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=RCA2007 Ken __________________________________ Kenneth R. Farmer < 336-736-7376 www.OpenVMS.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 00:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: urbancamo Subject: ZX6000/RZ2600 memory question Message-ID: Hi, I've just purchased a ZX6000 with 16GB of memory that should have been shipped with 32GB. The mainboard has 16 slots, 8 of which are currently filled with 2GB DIMMs. The ZX6000 documentation all states that a maximum of 24GB can be installed in 12 slots. Can anyone tell me if the fact that I have 16 slots means that I have a more recent motherboard with full support for 32GB? Thanks for the help, Mark. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.279 ************************