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At least one ISP in Australia is owned by a large >> telecom firm in the USA, and they are handing out USA IP addresses >> to their australian customers. (ozemail if I remember right). > > > There is no such thing as a "USA IP address". IP is not now and never > has been geographic. > > bill I am clueless on these matters. But one of the things that REALLY irritates me is websites that interrogate my IP, make wild assumptions about what my geographical location is (usually based on the IP) and then proceed to give me a site in the language of the country it thinks I am in. This is the wrong answer in 100% of cases. We had France Telecom as our infrastructure provider at a Dutch client I was working at. Websites constantly changed to French. So fucking irritating, and often not something easily bypassed. I blame it all on the M$ - "We alone know what is good for you" mentality of systems development. M$ products are by far the worst in this case, often interrogating the keyboard to determine the language of a machine ?!?!? But I digress ... Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 2008 16:15:00 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Ip address blocking by country Message-ID: <68okc4F2u2s3dU1@mid.individual.net> In article <4826efcd$0$315$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "CyberCityNews" writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <4826027d$0$20536$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, >> JF Mezei writes: >>> Michael Moroney wrote: >>> >>>> Allocations by country are widely scattered. >>> >>> >>> It gets worse. At least one ISP in Australia is owned by a large >>> telecom firm in the USA, and they are handing out USA IP addresses >>> to their australian customers. (ozemail if I remember right). >> >> >> There is no such thing as a "USA IP address". IP is not now and never >> has been geographic. >> >> bill > > I am clueless on these matters. But one of the things that REALLY irritates > me is websites that interrogate my IP, make wild assumptions about what my > geographical location is (usually based on the IP) and then proceed to give > me a site in the language of the country it thinks I am in. My point exactly!! From where I sit right now I can use the local address (Augusta, GA) or with one click on my desktop I fire up my VPN and I am back in Pennsylvania. So, how can a remote site tell me what my local weather is? And, of course, on USENET I am in Berlin. :-) > > This is the wrong answer in 100% of cases. Well, I wouldn't say that (even a blind hog etc. etc. etc.) but it is a really stupid assumption on their part. > > We had France Telecom as our infrastructure provider at a Dutch client I was > working at. Websites constantly changed to French. So fucking irritating, > and often not something easily bypassed. > > I blame it all on the M$ - "We alone know what is good for you" mentality of > systems development. M$ products are by far the worst in this case, often > interrogating the keyboard to determine the language of a machine ?!?!? I don't think, in this case, MS shares any of the blame. The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the large number of "professionals" running networks and servers who have not got the slightest clue how any of this really works. I actually know people who teach this stuff and don't know the difference between TCP and UDP and when you explain it they still don't understand why you would use one over the other. > > But I digress ... Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel about it. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 11 May 2008 16:30:32 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: Desktop wars Message-ID: <68ol98F2u7kf2U1@mid.individual.net> In article , "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: > On May 10, 8:15 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> In article <112d9b3d-fbf6-41eb-af64-3fe09b4ab...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, >> "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" writes: >> >> >> >> > On May 10, 4:41 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> In article , >> >> "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" writes: >> >> >> > On May 10, 9:39 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >> >> In article <482414f8$0$31195$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, >> >> >> JF Mezei writes: >> >> >> > Remember that Apple started with essentially nothing left, and came out >> >> >> > with a totally new operating systems (OS-X) in roughly 2001. >> >> >> >> Since when is OS-X "a totally new operating system"? That would be >> >> >> like me repackaging Slackware, calling it "Bill-OS V5.0" and claiming >> >> >> it was "a totally new operating system"!! >> >> >> > Close, but not quite. It would be like you repackaging Slackware and >> >> > then writing the equivalent of Gnome or KDE and calling it Bill-OS >> >> > V5.0. Aqua, the Apple GUI (plus a lot of utilities) is theirs and >> >> > they wrote it themselves (maybe some came from NEXT? I'm not sure). >> >> >> What they actually wrote isn't a GUI. Their GUI is X-windows. All >> >> they wrote themselves was a Window Manager which is quite a bit less >> >> than either a GUI or an OS. Next ran Display PostScript which I think >> >> was Adobe's. >> >> > Bill, you're wrong. Aqua is the GUI. GUI stands for Graphical User >> > Interface. That's what Aqua does. It defines the appearance of the >> > various windows components. It defines how those component work and >> > what they can do. Aqua is based on Apple's Cocoa framework. This >> > framework calls Apple's Quartz graphics subsystem to draw using the >> > graphics hardware. No where in this path does X-windows come into >> > play. On OS X you don't even have to run a X-window server if you >> > don't want one. If you do then there is the X11 application which is >> > based on the X server from the XOrg Foundation. The original code >> > from XOrg has been modified to use the Cocoa or Carbon APIs to access >> > the graphics hardware. >> >> Well, you could be right as I am not a Mac fanatic(and never will be >> although I do own a number of M68K Macs that I play with.) > > I know that you are not a Mac fan. Not only is that obvious, but it's > been well noted in the past. And the M68K Macs have nothing to do > with OS X. Some people might have different opinions on that. Some people actually believe ther eason Apple opted to move to Unix was because of the dismal performance of their previous attempts at designing and writing their own operating systems. I am one of those people. :-) > > but I know >> the professor I have to support that is a Mac fanatic has no problem >> displaying X applications on his Mac which tells me there is X11 under >> there somewhere. > > No. As I explained before, X11 is an application layered on top of > OS X and Aqua. X11 is "under" nothing. It need not even be > installed. If you don't, then you CAN'T run X-window apps. Well, actually X11 is an application running on top of any operating system. Can a Mac display windowed application on another Mac without having X11 installed or is like the MS GUI philosophy? (That's a serious question! Does OS X require X11 in order to do remote display?) > > And when another professor went out and grabbed all >> the OSX (aka Darwin) sources the only thing he didn't get was the >> window manager that had the MAC look and feel. > > Actually grabbing the Darwin sources IS NOT grabbing OS X. Because > Darwin is the kernel for the OS X, not the GUI. Darwin is the open > source portion that Apple got from FreeBSD. Aqua and all the other > layers on top of Darwin is the proprietary portion that Apple wrote > which has the "Mac look and feel". So, you consider all the applications and not just the kernel to be the OS? In which case, Apple really didn't write more than a timy piece of OS X! Remember, the original statement had to do with OS X being "a totally new operating system". > > Arne Vajhoj found a pretty good link that shows the makeup of OS X. > It should help clear up your misconceptions. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Diagram_of_Mac_OS_X_architecture.svg When I have a chance, I will take a look. Not that I place much faith in anything I get from Wikipedia. Heck, I could just go there and change it to say OS X uses X11. :-) > >>What is it that they >> say about walks like a duck and quacks like a duck? >> >> And, regardless of all that , it still isn't "a totally new operating >> system" which was the original claim!! > > Yeah, well that was JF. What do you expect? But it also wasn't as > easy of a job as you are trying to claim. If all they really wrote themselves was the GUI, it may not have been easy enough for your average pre-pubescent Linux geek to do, but they really can't claim to have created anything truly new as more than 90% of OS X was acquired from someone else already written. And of course there is the old question of why so many MAC fanatics spend time knocking Unix when that is all OS X really is under the hood!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 03:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: johnwallace4@gmail.com Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: On May 11, 3:40 am, Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > DaveG wrote: > > On May 9, 1:22 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > > Koehler) wrote: > >> In article , "John Wallace" writes: > > >>> In particular the much-delayed arrival of Vista (and the associated Of= fice > >>> "upgrades") changes things. Vista's "success" in the market (no one se= nsible > >>> buys it unless they have to) shows that even Microsoft's monopoly isn'= t > >>> necessarily forever. > >> The only people I know of who have Vista and/or the new Office are > >> kids at my daughter's college who were clueless when the bought new > >> PCs for their frosh year. > > > My daughter works for a big accounting firm. Used to be one of the > > big 8, but after fall of Arthur Anderson, its <8 now. They're > > starting to migratre all their users to Vista. > > My understanding is that Windows XP goes from mainstream > to extended support April 2009. > > A lot of companies will plan switching before that. > > Arne Being outside of formal support doesn't worry the customers who are still using WIndows2000 today. Even if the claims about end of support were to be true (Ballmer clearly thinks otherwise), there are plenty of folks who know that they need to watch what Microsoft do, not what Microsoft say. When did MS finally end Windows 98 support? A *long* time after Billco first said it was going to end. Much like VMS; if it works, why rush to upgrade it, unless there is a pressing business need (sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't). Currently the market (outside the MS-centric ecosystem) doesn't see the benefits in upgrading to Vista/nuOffice, and some are waiting for the rush release of Windows 7... ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.263 ************************