INFO-VAX Tue, 06 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 253 Contents: Easiest text processing on a Windoz PC ? Re: Easiest text processing on a Windoz PC ? Re: How to avoid additional enter when using ssh LICENSE suggestion (file locked) Re: LICENSE suggestion (file locked) Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Re: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Re: Maximum Disk Size VMS 6.2? RE: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Re: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Re: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Re: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: Question: debugging a program run via CLD Re: Question: debugging a program run via CLD rx2660, rx3600, and rx6600 Re: rx2660, rx3600, and rx6600 Re: ssh FROM linux TO OpenVMS RE: TCPIP-F-SSH_ALLOC_ERROR, ssh memory allocation error Re: Using sftp from OpenVMS to Windows - How to avoid version numbers Re: Using sftp from OpenVMS to Windows - How to avoid version numbers ? Re: Using sftp from OpenVMS to Windows - How to avoid version numbers ? ?? Re: Using sftp from OpenVMS to Windows - How to avoid version numbers ? ?? Re: What systems can use USB? Re: What systems can use USB? Re: What systems can use USB? Re: What's the most likely backup format? Re: What's the most likely backup format? Re: What's the most likely backup format? Re: What's the most likely backup format? Re: What's the most likely backup format? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:24:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Didier_Toulouse Subject: Easiest text processing on a Windoz PC ? Message-ID: <49413e13-4ea5-4504-8e46-afeb7283a440@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Today, when I need to remove duplicates from an EXCEL sheet 30.000 lines long, I have to build a .csv, upload it to a VMS machine, do a sort, then a merge/nodup then bring back the resulting file to my PC and load it back to EXCEL. What would be the easiest tool/language to use to do text processing on a Windows machine pls? Thanks, D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:55:05 -0400 From: "John Vottero" Subject: Re: Easiest text processing on a Windoz PC ? Message-ID: "Didier_Toulouse" wrote in message news:49413e13-4ea5-4504-8e46-afeb7283a440@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > Today, when I need to remove duplicates from an EXCEL sheet 30.000 > lines long, I have to build a .csv, upload it to a VMS machine, do a > sort, then a merge/nodup then bring back the resulting file to my PC > and load it back to EXCEL. > > What would be the easiest tool/language to use to do text processing > on a Windows machine pls? > PowerShell, Microsoft's new command line shell and scripting language. You can get more information and download it from: http://www.microsoft.com/powershell You will be using some combination of the Sort-Object, Select-Object, Get-Unique and Group-Object cmdlets. You might also want to look at export-csv and import-csv. Something like this should work: get-content yourfile.csv | sort-object | get-unique | set-content outputfile.csv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 04:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: ami.kurtser@gmail.com Subject: Re: How to avoid additional enter when using ssh Message-ID: <914f4f02-d1d1-44a9-8211-76a56753d610@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On May 5, 6:02 pm, Jose Baars wrote: > On 5 mei, 15:18, sms.antin...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > ami.kurt...@gmail.com wrote: > > > [...] > > > $ SSH -o "batchmode yes" vms2 "@test" ! vms2 is the name of the > > > remote node > > > where the test.com contains, for example: > > > > $ show time > > > > The output is: > > > Authentication successful > > > > {the current date & time} > > > > And there it stops AND WAITS FOR MY ADDITIONAL ENTER !!! > > > > So, how can I avoid the additional ENTER ?! > > > [...] > > > The only solution I've found was a suggestion on the ITRC forum. Not > > classy, but apparently effective: > > > define /user_mode sys$command nl: > > ssh host -o "batchmode yes" "@ cmd_proc.com" > > > For example: > > > alp $ ssh alp -o "batchmode yes" "@ my_mode.com" > > Authentication successful. > > > My mode is NETWORK. [Hangs.] > > > alp $ define /user_mode sys$command nl: > > alp $ ssh alp -o "batchmode yes" "@ my_mode.com" > > Authentication successful. > > > My mode is NETWORK. > > alp $ > > > The hanging seems to depend on exactly what's in the command > > procedure, > > but I haven't bothered to puzzle out exactly what causes it. > > As you already found out this seems to be an ssh client issue. On > TCPIP/IP 5.6 > eco 2 it seems to work, but on TCPIP 5.4 ECO 6 and 7 it doesn't work. > There are however point -fix ssh images for TCPIP 5.4 available at HP > that fix this problem > (among others) as we have them installed on some systems, and there > the extra enter is not needed. > I would contact HP if I were you. > > regards, > jose to sms.antinode@gmail.com and Jose: Thanks. I'll soon move to TCPIP/IP 5.6 eco 2, so this problem will be solved then. Anyway, The bypass suggested by sms.antinode@gmail.com works, and will serve me for the time being. Again - Thanks a lot ! regards, Ami ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 03:37:37 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: LICENSE suggestion (file locked) Message-ID: <48200b3f$0$7231$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> It is that time of the year again, Hobbyist license renewalls :-) This year, I decided to have one DECterm do a LICENSE LIST/FULL/before/term=18-may-2008 and then delete old licences and reload new ones for each of the products I have. (I only load licences I use, and I have some "real" licenses that I preserve, of course.) The problem is that when, on a second window, I started to issue commands such as LICENCE DELETE, I got: > $ licence delete c /author=DECUS-CAN-078xxxxxx-1053462 > %LICENSE-F-BADLDB, error reading license database SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE > .LDB; > -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user Turns out the LICENSE LIST command is taking locks on the database that prevents updates ! So the suggestion is that LICENSE LIST shouldn't take out locks on the whole database/records so that from another window, we could them do updates to the database for each record that needs to be updated (or deleted and then replaced with new one). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:45:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Sakovich Subject: Re: LICENSE suggestion (file locked) Message-ID: On May 6, 2:37 am, JF Mezei wrote: > It is that time of the year again, Hobbyist license renewalls :-) > > This year, I decided to have one DECterm do a > > LICENSE LIST/FULL/before/term=18-may-2008 > > and then delete old licences and reload new ones for each of the > products I have. (I only load licences I use, and I have some "real" > licenses that I preserve, of course.) : : > Turns out the LICENSE LIST command is taking locks on the database that > prevents updates ! > > So the suggestion is that LICENSE LIST shouldn't take out locks on the > whole database/records so that from another window, we could them do > updates to the database for each record that needs to be updated (or > deleted and then replaced with new one). Not a solution to the lock issue, but for cleaning up PAKs, I use the process detailed in this article: http://openvms.hobby-site.com/pivot/entry.php?id=9 This also references an ATW article -- the pertinent part is all the way to the bottom of the article: "If you have very many terminated PAKs..." I've also used this process to keep PAKs that I don't want deleted: http://openvms.hobby-site.com/pivot/entry.php?id=44 That way, I automate the entire process inside the PAK .com file, rather than managing each license individually by hand (or DECterm, as the case may be...) HTH, Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:59:57 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Message-ID: <5tZTj.120900$Er2.85920@bignews6.bellsouth.net> Can anyone enligthen me on this Customer needs to aechive using simple scsi up to 2TB He is stuck with VMS 6.2-1H3 HELP ! -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International: 001 706 993 1787 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 10:14:11 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Message-ID: David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Can anyone enligthen me on this > Customer needs to aechive using simple scsi up to 2TB > He is stuck with VMS 6.2-1H3 > > > HELP ! > Well 6.2-1H3 is pretty far back in the dark ages! 1997? I don't recall that there was any limitation on disk size. . . . What sort of SCSI hardware does he have? How many drives does he want to use? ISTR that drives in the 300 - 500 GB range are available these days. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 16:09:10 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: Maximum Disk Size VMS 6.2? Message-ID: David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Can anyone enlighten me on this > Customer needs to archive using simple scsi up to 2TB > He is stuck with VMS 6.2-1H3 Maximum volume size is 1 Tbyte. He'll need to make use of a bound volume set, which is perfect for just such an application. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 11:56:24 -0400 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: RE: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Message-ID: <007f01c8af91$be858800$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP> > Can anyone enligthen me on this > Customer needs to aechive using simple scsi up to 2TB > He is stuck with VMS 6.2-1H3 One thing you need to watch out for with a large disk under old versions of VMS is that you must make sure the disk is physically correct; Tracks per cylinder * Sectors per track * Total cylinders = Total blocks for the disk If you are presenting some sort of virtual disk and it is over 67,107,840 blocks and the formula does not work out correctly then VMS has some really interesting crashes. There is a patch available for V5.5-2, V6.2 and V7.1 but the patch was never officially released. Peter Weaver www.WeaverConsulting.ca www.OpenVMSvirtualization.com www.VAXvirtualization.com www.AlphaVirtualization.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:09:00 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Message-ID: The hardware - a KZPBA-CA connected to one of our raid arrays with say 2TB of storage It is for medical archiving... their tapes are slowly degenerating apparently... He can use volume shadowing but I would rather sell a raid solution Can VS create logical volumes of say 1TB for 6.2 or does it have smaller limitations. I am familiar with newer versions but 6.2 is out of my league... -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International: 001 706 993 1787 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:jKednWlFef9y-r3VnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@comcast.com... > David Turner, Island Computers wrote: >> Can anyone enligthen me on this >> Customer needs to aechive using simple scsi up to 2TB >> He is stuck with VMS 6.2-1H3 >> >> >> HELP ! >> > > Well 6.2-1H3 is pretty far back in the dark ages! 1997? I don't recall > that there was any limitation on disk size. . . . > > What sort of SCSI hardware does he have? How many drives does he want to > use? ISTR that drives in the 300 - 500 GB range are available these days. > . . . > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:10:19 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Message-ID: On Tue, 06 May 2008 06:59:57 -0700, David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Can anyone enligthen me on this > Customer needs to aechive using simple scsi up to 2TB > He is stuck with VMS 6.2-1H3 > > > HELP ! > Why not sell him a small Alpha connect to an HSG80 via dual HBAs and cluster it. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:36:11 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: Maximum DIsk Size VMS 6.2? Message-ID: <3L%Tj.17931$28.15542@bignews1.bellsouth.net> I'll ask Cluster licenses though are not that cheap... -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International: 001 706 993 1787 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.uaqpvhfxhv4qyg@murphus... > On Tue, 06 May 2008 06:59:57 -0700, David Turner, Island Computers > wrote: > >> Can anyone enligthen me on this >> Customer needs to aechive using simple scsi up to 2TB >> He is stuck with VMS 6.2-1H3 >> >> >> HELP ! >> > Why not sell him a small Alpha connect to an HSG80 via dual HBAs > and cluster it. > > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMS > www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 03:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: On May 5, 6:24=A0pm, Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote: > > If you believe the hype, 50% of all users in Europe use Firefox. It is > > fast and compliant. > > Not quite. > > But some countries in Europe are heavy users of FF. > > There are different statistics. Xiti usually have > relative high numbers for FF compared with others, > but I believe at least the differences between countries > are real. > > http://www.xitimonitor.com/en-us/browsers-barometer/firefox-march-200... > > Also note that besides country then IT skills also influence > browser choice a lot. > > Expect 60-80% FF users among IT professionals. > > Arne I guess I should read the articles more carefully. The headline from ARStechnica reads "Month by month, Firefox continues to make gains in Europe, where the browser approaches a 50 percent market share in some countries." Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 04:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: On May 5, 7:22=A0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Mon, 05 May 2008 14:40:00 -0700, Neil Rieck =A0 > wrote: > > > If you believe the hype, 50% of all users in Europe use Firefox. It is > > fast and compliant. > > I use IE7 for Hotmail, Firefox as my default and Opera for News and fillin= g > out forms. =A0Googling is best with the latter 2. =A0Google desktop is a f= ar =A0 > better > way to locate things on your own PC. > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com I suspect the reason for for Firefox's popularity is two fold: 1) Many IT people run LINUX and IE was never ported there 2) Many people are pissed off at Microsoft's business practices In the JavaScript course I attended last month, the instructor was fairly open about the monkey business by all participants. In the case of MS he said the following: MS stole JavaScript then renamed it JScript. Next they extended JScript then added features to IE5 to take advantage of those (JScript) extensions hoping they could dominate businesses with it. MS stole JAVA then reanamed it C# (just checkout similar JAVA and C# progams side-by-side; some function names have been changed but that is all) while the idea of the JVM became the .NET framework. Like before, .NET was only supported on IE6 and later. MS's intention to support C# and .NET on other platforms didn't amount to very much. There were other examples mentioned but the main thesis was that while MS was trying to protect their investment in Windows, a world wide army of programmers was trying to support online retailers where the biggest problems were caused by non-compliant browsers (where IE was the biggest offender). In today's world MS wants to beat Google. This is such a joke because MS is the biggest purveyor of proprietary technology while Google is one of the biggest promoters of Open technology. For example, many of the Web 2.0 example technologies are based upon AJAX. For an example of AJAX, surf over to "maps.google.com". As you drag the map around, AJAX fills in the new missing blank areas. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 2008 08:31:56 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Question: debugging a program run via CLD Message-ID: In article , Rich Jordan writes: > I haven't had to do this before and haven't found the magic switch > yet. BASIC program designed to run with a CLD file defining two > mandatory parameters, no qualifiers. Compiled and linked /debug and > running it works as expected. But running it via the CLD (ie > > "$ program parameter1 parameter2" > > doesn't start the debugger. If you link the image /debug, the debugger will start. If you don't link the image /debug, there's nothing CLD can do about it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 06:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Question: debugging a program run via CLD Message-ID: On May 5, 8:04 pm, Jim wrote: > On May 5, 7:18 pm, Rich Jordan wrote: > > > > > I haven't had to do this before and haven't found the magic switch > > yet. BASIC program designed to run with a CLD file defining two > > mandatory parameters, no qualifiers. Compiled and linked /debug and > > running it works as expected. But running it via the CLD (ie > > > "$ program parameter1 parameter2" > > > doesn't start the debugger. > > > I imagine its simple to do this; info is not in the CLD utility > > manual, and I'll delve into DEBUG tomorrow but if anyone knows off the > > top I'd appreciate a pointer. > > > Thanks > > > Rich > > Perhaps you're not running the version of the program built with > debug? Is the executable's location defined in the CLD or defaulting > to SYS$SYSTEM? Is the there a logical name defining the executable > image? Is this image INSTALLed? Jim operator headspacing error. That was the problem; I'm building in the test tree but the CLD file is looking for the image in the production tree. No wonder I couldn't find anything in a quick and dirty google search. Thwap (adding to sloping forehead). Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 12:12:19 -0400 From: Chuck Aaron Subject: rx2660, rx3600, and rx6600 Message-ID: In reading the specifications for these Itanium servers, the largest disk size available is 146gb. However, they do mention in the future that 300gb disks will be available. Does anyone know when in the future these disks will be available on these servers? Thanks, Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:33:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Alphaman Subject: Re: rx2660, rx3600, and rx6600 Message-ID: <1d0f3bdb-145e-4ea7-86ec-36030684abb1@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On May 6, 11:12 am, Chuck Aaron wrote: > In reading the specifications for these Itanium servers, the largest > disk size available is 146gb. However, they do mention in the future that > 300gb disks will be available. Does anyone know when in the future these > disks will be available on these servers? > > Thanks, > Chuck Hi Chuck, I'm currently running 300gig drives on several rx26x0 systems -- they are available and work fine. As a direct response to your question, I would say "last year". Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 01:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: zembla7@chkoun.com Subject: Re: ssh FROM linux TO OpenVMS Message-ID: <77864598-5427-4d4e-84c9-97d537768582@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On May 5, 4:56 pm, Jose Baars wrote: > On 5 mei, 16:06, zemb...@chkoun.com wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > I'm trying hard to connect from a linux client to a VMS server using > > hostkey identification. > > I'm always getting a password request and if I type the password it > > failed anyway: > > > I have on the client side : > > $ uname -a > > Linux kashmir 2.6.18-8.el5 #1 SMP Thu Mar 15 19:57:35 EDT 2007 i686 > > i686 i386 GNU/Linux > > $ ssh -V > > OpenSSH_4.3p2, OpenSSL 0.9.8b 04 May 2006 > > > and the verbose lines of the ssh request: (bombay is the vms server) > > $ ssh -v texas@bombay > > OpenSSH_4.3p2, OpenSSL 0.9.8b 04 May 2006 > > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > > debug1: Applying options for * > > debug1: Connecting to bombay [172.20.211.25] port 22. > > debug1: Connection established. > > debug1: identity file /home/denis/.ssh/identity type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/denis/.ssh/id_rsa type 1 > > debug1: identity file /home/denis/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 > > debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version 3.2.0 SSH > > Secure Shell OpenVMS V5.6 VMS_sftp_version 2 > > debug1: no match: 3.2.0 SSH Secure Shell OpenVMS V5.6 VMS_sftp_version > > 2 > > debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 > > debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3 > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received > > debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none > > debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none > > debug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_INIT > > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_REPLY > > debug1: Host 'bombay' is known and matches the DSA host key. > > debug1: Found key in /home/denis/.ssh/known_hosts:14 > > debug1: ssh_dss_verify: signature correct > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent > > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received > > debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password > > debug1: Next authentication method: publickey > > debug1: Trying private key: /home/denis/.ssh/identity > > debug1: Offering public key: /home/denis/.ssh/id_rsa > > debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password > > debug1: Offering public key: /home/denis/.ssh/id_dsa > > debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password > > debug1: Next authentication method: password > > texas@bombay's password: > > > entering the right password will fail > > > On the server side: > > ssh -V > > debug: Ssh2/SSH2.C:1904: CRTL version (SYS$SHARE:DECC$SHR.EXE ident) > > is V8.3-00 > > debug: SshAppCommon/SSHAPPCOMMON.C:322: Allocating global SshRegex > > context. > > debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:3421: Metaconfig parsing stopped at line > > 4. > > debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:875: Setting variable 'VerboseMode' to > > 'FALSE'. > > debug: SshConfig/SSHCONFIG.C:3329: Unable to open ssh2/ssh2_config > > warning: You didn't specify a host name. > > Type bombay$dka0:[sys0.syscommon.][sysexe]tcpip$ssh_ssh2.exe -h for > > help. > > > I tried to copy the client id_dsa.pub to the server's user [.ssh2] > > directory > > and making all that they said in the manual but nothing works. > > any help please ? > > d.fayaud > > 1. Read the TCPIP documentation carefully. > 2. Make sure the public key is in IETF SECSH format, NOT the OpenSSH > format as it is on > your Linux system. If you are lucky, you can do with the ssh- > keygen utility (-x option is the one) > on your Linux system, otherwise download and install openssh on > your pc. > Give the public key a good name to make life easier on mere humans > (ridiculous non-Unix idea) like kashmir.pub. > 3. Put this public key in the SSH2 subdirectory of the default > directory of user texas, and create in this directory a file > authorization.; > with one line that reads "key kasmir.pub" (without the quotes) > 4. make sure all files ( keys and authorization.; ) in this ssh2 > subdirectory are in stream_lf format > > Good luck, > jose Jose ! I did all what you wrote and it WORKS !! I had to work around with the id_rsa.pub conversion on the linux side, it was not so easy. For the readers, I had to do the following: (under the .ssh directory, after the creation of id_dsa and id_dsa.pub) # ssh-keygen -x -t dsa Enter file in which the key is (/home/denis/.ssh/id_dsa): (RETURN) This converts the file id_dsa to the right format For the id_rsa.pub convertion : # mkdir test # cp id_rsa_pub ./test/toto # cd test # ssh-keygen -x -t dsa > id_dsa.pub Enter file in which the key is (/home/denis/.ssh/id_dsa): /home/ denis/.ssh/test/toto # ls id_dsa.pub toto # cp id_dsa.pub ../ Then under .ssh, I had the two files id_dsa and id_dsa.pub with the good format. (The creation and use of subdirectory test is not mandatory, but, in my case, it was clearer for me) Then I transfered id_dsa.pub under openvms [.ssh2] directory. I renamed it as kashmir.pub I created the autorization.; file with: key kasmir.pub (as you said) I made the conversion of kashmir.pub and autorization.; to Stream_lf and it WORKS so Jose, you'r the best ! thanks a lot ! Denis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 12:44:47 -0400 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: RE: TCPIP-F-SSH_ALLOC_ERROR, ssh memory allocation error Message-ID: <008001c8af98$7f3f6510$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP> > Which quotas are "all" quotas? Is the problem with the > TCPIP$SSH account, or the user's account? > > Knowing nothing, I'd assume that malloc() failed, so I'd > suspect a shortage of virtual memory (page file quota). The accounting record for TCPIP$SSH is the one showing the SSH_ALLOC_ERROR, it also shows in the .LOG for the TCPIP$SSH user so I think it is not the user's account. At least once I saw the user's process still around after the TCPIP$SSH process had already crashed. First I doubled PGFLQUOTA for the TCPIP$SSH user, then tripled it then raised it to match the PGFLQUOTA on the user's account (33554432). Then I raised PQL_DPGFLQUOTA on both the Alpha and IA64 to 33554432. Then I increased BYTLM, ASTLM, BIOLM, DIOLM, WSQUO, JTQUOTA and ENQLM for the account and the related PQL parameters. So I figured I would give up and see if someone else out here already solved the problem of using port forwarding to run PC Anywhere or Remote Desktop and felt like sharing the answer. Peter Weaver www.WeaverConsulting.ca www.OpenVMSvirtualization.com www.VAXvirtualization.com www.AlphaVirtualization.com ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 2008 08:47:50 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Using sftp from OpenVMS to Windows - How to avoid version numbers Message-ID: <2DstsxTf7XnQ@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > Jose Baars schrieb: > >> sftp was not written with any other oprating system in mind than Unix, > > this doesn't come at a surprise, since TCP/IP and tools on top of it > are basically Unix technology. ROTFLOL. That's an old horse. TCP/IP and many off the RFCs were around for a long time before Berkley put a copy on UNIX. TCP/IP was no more meant to be UNIX specific than it was TOPS-10 specific. And it was running on TOPS-10 and several other OS before it was put on UNIX. Some of the later RFC, like the one for NFS, are pretty much UNIX specific, even though their inventors claimed otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:21:40 -0400 From: "Richard Whalen" Subject: Re: Using sftp from OpenVMS to Windows - How to avoid version numbers ? Message-ID: "Michael Kraemer" wrote in message news:fvp1gr$9no$02$1@news.t-online.com... > Jose Baars schrieb: > >> sftp was not written with any other oprating system in mind than Unix, > > this doesn't come at a surprise, since TCP/IP and tools on top of it > are basically Unix technology. > >> and as such >> is more or less a pain on any other operating system. It's not >> completely fair to blame >> the people that ported it to VMS for the narrow mindedness of the >> designers. > > You can't blame developers for their narrow mindedness when they never > saw a live VMS system sitting on their desktop. > It's just the consequence of the "... is a server OS only" mantra. > I brought up the need for a text transfer method in the SSH (SFTP) discussion email list, and the narrow minded Unix people said that binary was good enough and that they didn't want to burden the client with having to know all of the different text storage methods. They didn't think that the server could put it in a canonical format. The underlying protocol is a file access protocol, so binary makes sense, but that's not how people want to use it. They decided upon a Unix like file specification as they felt that it was easier to parse, rather than let the file specification be handled completely in the context of the system using it. The user interface can choose to present file specifications in their native format and convert them to the protocol format. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 09:31:58 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Using sftp from OpenVMS to Windows - How to avoid version numbers ? ?? Message-ID: Jose Baars schrieb: > sftp was not written with any other oprating system in mind than Unix, this doesn't come at a surprise, since TCP/IP and tools on top of it are basically Unix technology. > and as such > is more or less a pain on any other operating system. It's not > completely fair to blame > the people that ported it to VMS for the narrow mindedness of the > designers. You can't blame developers for their narrow mindedness when they never saw a live VMS system sitting on their desktop. It's just the consequence of the "... is a server OS only" mantra. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 04:02:37 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Using sftp from OpenVMS to Windows - How to avoid version numbers ? ?? Message-ID: <4820111b$0$7255$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Michael Kraemer wrote: > You can't blame developers for their narrow mindedness when they never > saw a live VMS system sitting on their desktop. > It's just the consequence of the "... is a server OS only" mantra. Anyone who ports software to VMS should be aware of the file system differences, especially with regards to file versions. They did a fine job with FTP with the logical TCPIP$FTP_IGNORE_VERSION, so how come they didn't inplement the same code for SFTP ? They forgot about intelligent file version handling with NFS, which makes the NFS package barely usable on VMS. You can't blame the original developpers. You can blame those who were responsible for porting it to VMS because they should have provide the proper handling of file system differences. ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 2008 08:36:03 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: In article <481fd363$0$7283$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > Not the DS10 class of Alpha servers. Their USB hardware is crippled and > non-functional. You can get USB cards that will plug into and work on DS10 and DS10L under VMS. > Also, for those VMS systems that have functioning USB hardware, what > real software support is there in VMS ? Same as any disk, from what I hear. > Can VMS mount, read, write FAT/FAT32 formatted USB sticks ? Just like floppies, there are tools for accessing FAT formatted USB sticks, or you can put Files-11 on them. > How many cameras/telephones can be connected to VMS with some actual > functionality ? (aka: not just: "yeah, the driver sees some phone device > on the USB bus"). Although I have lots of fancy gadgets for accessing my camera over USB, probaly my favorite way to get what I want instead of what some one else thought I want, is to access it as a USB drive. > Or is the goal for VMS to just provide the foundation so that > individuals can then build their own applications ? (aka, some > manufacturing plant writing code to control some USB robot) Since HP no longer sees VMS as a desktop platform, they have little reason to add cameras and such to its USB support. That's their mistake. VMS has been stitting on my desktop for a great many years now, and will continue to do so. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 06:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: sms.antinode@gmail.com Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: <927a4267-f85e-460a-b16d-e7c1465a0ed0@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> JF Mezei wrote: > zzbunker@netscape.net wrote: > > All electronic systems can work with USB. > > Not the DS10 class of Alpha servers. Their USB hardware is crippled and > non-functional. So add a $10 Chinese USB PCI card with the right chip. > Also, for those VMS systems that have functioning USB hardware, what > real software support is there in VMS ? Define "real". > Can VMS mount, read, write FAT/FAT32 formatted USB sticks ? Plain "VMS" may not, but with a little software, many things are possible. alp $ show devi /full dna6 Disk ALP$DNA6:, device type USB 2.0 Flash Disk , is online, file- oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled. Error count 0 Operations completed 49 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Total blocks 1981439 Sectors per track 37 Total cylinders 1410 Tracks per cylinder 38 alp $ mtools -c mdir -s v: MTOOLS_V (_ALP$DNA6:) mounted. Volume in drive V has no label Volume Serial Number is 18DB-2D40 Directory for V:/ TRASHE~1 2007-10-30 0:01 .Trashes DPP 2007-10-30 0:10 DS_STO~1 6148 2007-12-25 12:13 .DS_Store SYMAN 2007-12-11 17:52 linksys 2007-12-24 23:56 linksys 5 files 6 148 bytes Directory for V:/.Trashes . 2007-12-25 12:34 .. 2007-10-30 0:01 2 files 0 bytes [...] > How many cameras/telephones can be connected to VMS with some actual > functionality ? (aka: not just: "yeah, the driver sees some phone device > on the USB bus"). At least one camera: ALP2 $ show devi /full DNA5 Disk ALP2$DNA5:, device type NIKON DSC COOLPIX L11 , is online, file- oriented device, shareable, available to cluster, error logging is enabled. Error count 0 Operations completed 27 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Total blocks 1999871 Sectors per track 37 Total cylinders 1423 Tracks per cylinder 38 ALP2 $ mtools -c mdir -s w: MTOOLS_W (_ALP2$DNA5:) mounted. Volume in drive W has no label Volume Serial Number is 0000-0000 Directory for W:/ DCIM 2008-02-07 22:53 MISC 2008-02-07 22:53 2 files 0 bytes Directory for W:/DCIM . 2008-02-07 22:53 .. 2008-02-07 22:53 100NIKON 2008-02-07 23:12 3 files 0 bytes Directory for W:/DCIM/100NIKON . 2008-02-07 23:12 .. 2008-02-07 23:12 DSCN0004 JPG 1501580 2008-02-07 23:15 3 files 1 501 580 bytes Directory for W:/MISC [...] > Or is the goal for VMS to just provide the foundation so that > individuals can then build their own applications ? (aka, some > manufacturing plant writing code to control some USB robot) Some days I think that it serves mainly to elicit foolish complaints from ill-informed whiners. SMS. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 09:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "zzbunker@netscape.net" Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: On May 5, 11:39=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > zzbun...@netscape.net wrote: > > =A0 =A0All electronic systems can work with USB. > > Not the DS10 class of Alpha servers. Their USB hardware is crippled and > non-functional. > > Also, for those VMS systems that have functioning USB hardware, what > real software support is there in VMS ? > > Can VMS =A0mount, read, write =A0FAT/FAT32 formatted USB sticks ? > > How many cameras/telephones can be connected to VMS with some actual > functionality ? (aka: not just: "yeah, the driver sees some phone device > on the USB bus"). Not many with VMS, since phone networks mosty depend on touch-tone, rather than phones. And cameras mostly mostly depend on teaching artists how to use CCD, rather than cameras. > Or is the goal for VMS to just provide the foundation so that > individuals can then build their own applications ? (aka, some > manufacturing plant writing code to control some USB robot) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 02:26:23 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: What's the most likely backup format? Message-ID: <481ffadc$0$20610$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> forest demon wrote: > I have a DLT III tape that was written to on a VMS system. That's all > I know. Is it possible to scan this tape looking for data? Most likely is that it is an ANSI tape with a single file in it. That file would be a BACKUP saveset, a VMS proprietary format. There are a couple of open sources to read backup formats. Last one I spotted was at http://www.hoffmanlabs.com (from there, jump to the new site) and there is one for OS-X (should compile on unix). If not, you then have to get someone to read the tape for you and unpack it from BACKUP and repack it with ZIP or TAR. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 04:13:26 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: What's the most likely backup format? Message-ID: <08c88fca-a4bd-4434-a669-ceeecd61fb4a@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On May 6, 12:57=A0am, forest demon wrote: > I have a DLT III tape that was written to on a VMS system. =A0That's all > I know. =A0Is it possible to scan this tape looking for data? =A0I guess > my question is, what format was the data, that was most likely written > to the tape? If the tape was written with the expectation that it would be read by a non-VMS system, then it may have plain old ANSI labels and blocked data. There are lots of ways to write a tape on VMS so that another system can read the data, and vice-versa. The trick part -- whether it was written with an interchange format or a proprietary VMS BACKUP format -- is to figure out the blocking. That's a parameter that can be changed from tape-to-tape so guessing at what it might be is going to be a headache. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 08:05:45 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: What's the most likely backup format? Message-ID: forest demon wrote: > I have a DLT III tape that was written to on a VMS system. That's all > I know. Is it possible to scan this tape looking for data? I guess > my question is, what format was the data, that was most likely written > to the tape? I know nothing about VMS or DEC hardware. I'm a Unix and > Windows guy and want to try and recover some data off of this tape, > but i'm thinking that it's in some proprietary format? > > I know there are a lot of variables with this open ended question, but > it's worth a try. > > Thanks to all who reply. > > -fd It's most likely that the tape contains one or more VMS Backup savesets. If you have a DLT-III, or better, tape drive you should be able to dump out the ANSI tape label and the first couple of records. If, as I suspect, a backup tape it will have the text of the backup command in the first block following the label records. ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 2008 08:44:54 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What's the most likely backup format? Message-ID: In article <99b93071-031a-4e9c-bf91-bec1a8be8110@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, forest demon writes: > I have a DLT III tape that was written to on a VMS system. If you have a DLT III drive on your UNIX system, you can scan the tape to get some ieda of what is on it by using od. It may be an ASCI/ANSI labeled tape, and your UNIX may have ltf which will read such tapes if they are single volume. Or it may be a tar, a VMS BACKUP, raw data files, EBCDIC, ... In short VMS can read and write just about anything. The only thing you'll have trouble with is a VMS BACKUP format, since there are no native utilities on UNIX to read that. There are commercially available tools, and there are folks who will read it on a VMS system for you and put it i some format you like. I'd start with od and see if there are labels on the tape. If the labels include the string "BACKUP" then its probably VMS BACKUP. If not, labels might by ANSI/ASCII or EBCDIC SL. If there are no labels then look at the format tar generates and see if it matches that, then try cpio format, ... One of my favorite starting points for this is a little program I have that tries to read the maximum block size, reports back to me how many actual blocks and their actual size, and how many file marks (two consecutive EOF marks means logical end of volume). That and some familiarity with various formats generally gets me going. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: forest demon Subject: Re: What's the most likely backup format? Message-ID: On May 6, 7:44=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <99b93071-031a-4e9c-bf91-bec1a8be8...@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.= com>, forest demon writes: > > > I have a DLT III tape that was written to on a VMS system. > > =A0 =A0If you have a DLT III drive on your UNIX system, you can scan > =A0 =A0the tape to get some ieda of what is on it by using od. > > =A0 =A0It may be an ASCI/ANSI labeled tape, and your UNIX may have ltf > =A0 =A0which will read such tapes if they are single volume. =A0Or it > =A0 =A0may be a tar, a VMS BACKUP, raw data files, EBCDIC, ... > > =A0 =A0In short VMS can read and write just about anything. =A0The only > =A0 =A0thing you'll have trouble with is a VMS BACKUP format, since there > =A0 =A0are no native utilities on UNIX to read that. =A0There are > =A0 =A0commercially available tools, and there are folks who will read it > =A0 =A0on a VMS system for you and put it i some format you like. > > =A0 =A0I'd start with od and see if there are labels on the tape. =A0If th= e > =A0 =A0labels include the string "BACKUP" then its probably VMS BACKUP. > =A0 =A0If not, labels might by ANSI/ASCII or EBCDIC SL. =A0If there are > =A0 =A0no labels then look at the format tar generates and see if it match= es > =A0 =A0that, then try cpio format, ... > > =A0 =A0One of my favorite starting points for this is a little program I > =A0 =A0have that tries to read the maximum block size, reports back to me > =A0 =A0how many actual blocks and their actual size, and how many file > =A0 =A0marks (two consecutive EOF marks means logical end of volume). > > =A0 =A0That and some familiarity with various formats generally gets me > =A0 =A0going. Thanks to all who replied. I truly appreciate your time! -fd ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.253 ************************