INFO-VAX Fri, 18 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 216 Contents: Alphaserver and Prioris for free in Dallas Re: Alphaserver and Prioris for free in Dallas Chip head stuff: AMD's proposed 12 core... Re: Chip head stuff: AMD's proposed 12 core... Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ? Re: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Re: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Re: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Re: Mozilla (et al.) v. TCPIP FTP server Re: Mozilla (et al.) v. TCPIP FTP server Re: Mozilla (et al.) v. TCPIP FTP server Re: Mozilla (et al.) v. TCPIP FTP server Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update OT: IBM looking at Macintosh Re: OT: IBM looking at Macintosh Re: OT: IBM looking at Macintosh Watching P2 memory usage on an Alpha ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:02:20 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Alphaserver and Prioris for free in Dallas Message-ID: Again I have the privilege of advertising two free systems. These systems need to be taken by 5 PM tomorrow (making arrangements before then.) These are strickly you-haul. The company is moving to a new office space and won't be taking these systems with them. If they are not taken, they will be sent to a recycler. System #1: Alphaserver 1200 with at least 512 MB of memory The system was originally configured with a video card, so it should be usable with DECwindows, and probably had VMS installed that way. It appears they are including the seven disk drives with it. (IIRC, the StorageWorks backplane is connected to a KZPAC RAID controller and configured with the top disk as a single and VMS V7.1 installed. The other six drives are in two RAID-5 sets.) It must also have a DE500 network card. (For those unfamiliar, this is a pedestal box, a little shorter than a 2-drawer file cabinet, in "Top Gun" blue. It probably weighs in at around 100 lbs.) I'd take it myself, but I'm in Oregon. System #2: DEC Prioris XL5133 I know nothing else about this server. The technical guy helping with the move is coming from out of town and has said he will send it to the recycler if I don't get back to him tomorrow. Please, somebody rescue this stuff. I know there are people who read this and are in that area. Get it and sell it to a business who's on an older system. If nothing else, rescue it for someone who can't get there. I think you can unmunge my email address. Tad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:49:49 -0500 From: "Paul Lentz" Subject: Re: Alphaserver and Prioris for free in Dallas Message-ID: Tad, I'd like to pick these up... I sent an email... hope I ungrunged your email address properly. :-) Thanks! *Paul* "Tad Winters" wrote in message news:Xns9A837A76B77E4staffordnospamwinter@199.45.49.11... > Again I have the privilege of advertising two free systems. > These systems need to be taken by 5 PM tomorrow (making arrangements > before then.) > These are strickly you-haul. The company is moving to a new office space > and won't be taking these systems with them. If they are not taken, they > will be sent to a recycler. > > System #1: > Alphaserver 1200 with at least 512 MB of memory > The system was originally configured with a video card, so it should be > usable with DECwindows, and probably had VMS installed that way. It > appears they are including the seven disk drives with it. (IIRC, the > StorageWorks backplane is connected to a KZPAC RAID controller and > configured with the top disk as a single and VMS V7.1 installed. The > other six drives are in two RAID-5 sets.) It must also have a DE500 > network card. (For those unfamiliar, this is a pedestal box, a little > shorter than a 2-drawer file cabinet, in "Top Gun" blue. It probably > weighs in at around 100 lbs.) I'd take it myself, but I'm in Oregon. > > System #2: > DEC Prioris XL5133 > I know nothing else about this server. > > The technical guy helping with the move is coming from out of town and > has said he will send it to the recycler if I don't get back to him > tomorrow. > > Please, somebody rescue this stuff. I know there are people who read > this and are in that area. Get it and sell it to a business who's on an > older system. If nothing else, rescue it for someone who can't get > there. > I think you can unmunge my email address. > > Tad ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Chip head stuff: AMD's proposed 12 core... Message-ID: <90daf562-edee-4a7a-93a4-db4ce61efa57@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Chip head stuff: AMD's proposed 12 core. Although no firm date has been given, this announcement gives us a glimse of a possible "George Jetson" future. http://www.dailytech.com/Dodecacore+The+Megahertz+Race+is+Now+Officially+the+Multicore+Race/article11531.htm A twin-die Istanbul processor could enable 12 cores in a single package. Each of these cores will communicate to each other via the now-enabled HT3.0 interconnect on the processor. The rabbit hole gets deeper. Since each of these processors will contain a dual-channel memory controller, a single-core can emulate quad-channel memory functions by accessing the other dual-channel memory controller on the same socket. This move is likely a preemptive strike against Intel's Nehalem tri-channel memory controller. Motherboard manufacturers claim Shanghai and its many-core derivatives will be backwards compatible with existing Socket 1207 motherboards. However, processor-to-processor communication will downgrade to lower HyperTransport frequencies on these older motherboards. The newest 1207+ motherboards will officially support the HyperTransport 3.0 frequencies. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:11:50 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Chip head stuff: AMD's proposed 12 core... Message-ID: <48082dcd$0$31173$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Neil Rieck wrote: > Chip head stuff: AMD's proposed 12 core. I would think that this Tukwilla thing, supposed to come out "soon" will give IA64 its last claim to performance for a short period of time before being overtaken by the 8086 once and for all. IA64 will be blindsighted by upcoming 8086 projects and it is likely, in my opinion, that Intel will announce end of the line for IA64 betwen Tukwila and its successor (whats the name again ?) Big question is whether they will actually deliver the successor to Tukwila, or just deliver speed boosts on the existing chip. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:18:58 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com schrieb: > Can anyone help? Ideally, I'd like to find the ISO of this infamous > bootable firmware update CD-ROM. Then I'll bother you about the issue > of bricking the DEC 3000 during the firmware update... ;-) on this issue: http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/tru64-unix-managers/9507/msg00319.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: On Apr 17, 12:48 pm, "Richard Brodie" wrote: > wrote in message > > news:021784e5-ae61-4ecd-bfb8-07c40ea10306@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > > > The files provided by HP only cover the update via floppy, BOOTP or > > MOP. Funny -- I'm not aware of a single DEC 3000 that has a floppy > > drive. The floppy is not an option and the BOOTP or MOP procedures > > require a working installation of OpenVMS or Tru64. > > Have you not got another box somewhere that you can use as a > BOOTP/TFTP server? I doubt the system will care very much > what the boot server is. Perhaps. I've never done an update via bootp before, but I will try it soon if I can't put my hands on the CD. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:20:21 -0700 (PDT) From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: <68ce90ac-b454-4906-b0b4-b03e9ac4c3d8@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Apr 17, 3:18 pm, Michael Kraemer wrote: > alexandre.laguejacq...@gmail.com schrieb: > > > Can anyone help? Ideally, I'd like to find the ISO of this infamous > > bootable firmware update CD-ROM. Then I'll bother you about the issue > > of bricking the DEC 3000 during the firmware update... ;-) > > on this issue: > > http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/tru64-unix-managers/9507/msg... Yes, thank you. It would seem that the older SROM version 1.0 (which I have) was a problem until the last firmware update (version 7). I.e. the older firmware updates were not compatible with an older SROM until recently (your link speaks of version 6.1 and is dated 1995). Since the release of the version 7 firmware, there are a number of success stories in conjunction with the version 1.0 SROM, included in the following thread: http://groups.google.ca/group/comp.os.vms/browse_thread/thread/14eeb2ad53fac706/ec9da0b0c95c7593?hl=en&lnk=st&q=kn15-ba#ec9da0b0c95c7593 If this were not true, I think that we'd hear the collective screams of the few remaining DEC 3000 owners since it's virtually impossible to find the newer SROM chip and the version 7 firmware has been required since OpenVMS 7.x (or so it appears). Of course, everything that I've said here is based on others' experiences. This is just the information that I've gathered this afternoon. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: On Apr 17, 1:22 pm, IanMiller wrote: > Is the firmware onhttp://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/readmes/dec3000.html > > any good? One would hope. I haven't been able to try it yet though. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:11:18 -0400 From: Robert Deininger Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: In article <021784e5-ae61-4ecd-bfb8-07c40ea10306@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com wrote: > Hello all, > > I was never able to fix the power supply. Eventually I found one for > not too much money on eBay. With the appropriate cables, it appears > that the system works flawlessly. Someone left a copy of OSF/1 on the > 1 GB RZ26L. I'd like to unstall OpenVMS 8.3 over it. Any objections? Great idea!! > My next problem is that OpenVMS 8.3 requires a "minimum" of version > 7.0 firmware whereas this DEC 3000/400 has version 5.1. > > I've found the equivalent of the old Digital FTP site at HP: > http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/readmes/dec3000.html > The files provided by HP only cover the update via floppy, BOOTP or > MOP. Funny -- I'm not aware of a single DEC 3000 that has a floppy > drive. The floppy is not an option and the BOOTP or MOP procedures > require a working installation of OpenVMS or Tru64. > > Now the Digital documentation (available at the above URL in the text > file dec3000_v70_fw_relnote.txt) mentions a bootable firmware update > CD-ROM. > > Can anyone help? Ideally, I'd like to find the ISO of this infamous > bootable firmware update CD-ROM. Then I'll bother you about the issue > of bricking the DEC 3000 during the firmware update... ;-) You could try booting OpenVMS with the boot flags set to ignore the minimum firmware revision check. (You'll still get warning messages, but the system won't halt.) >>> boot -fl 0,800 I don't know if your old firmware will give VMS any trouble. I suspect it will be fine. I think I have seen systems running with firmware almost this old. If this works, you can get VMS installed and configured, and then put the firmware update file on your VMS system disk. Follow the instructions to boot the FW updater. Did you notice this heading: "System Disk - Boot the Update Utility from an OpenVMS System Disk" ? And yes, these systems do support floppy drives, but they are probably hard to find these days. It's a floppy drive that hides behind a SCSI converter, so it looks like a small SCSI disk to software. -- Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: alexandre.laguejacques@gmail.com Subject: Re: DEC 3000/400 firmware update Message-ID: <214802e8-ab2f-47cd-ba23-bfa0e9ffa8cb@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Hello Robert, You will of course notice that it was to your message that I had made reference in my previous post. Thank you for documenting your experience! I didn't know that one could force the install CD to accept the present firmware with that syntax. (My VMS experience is limited to the old dial up account that I had back in the mid 90s so I've never dealt with the SRM.) I will definitely try that before attacking the bootp fiasco, which is only a fiasco because my present *nix setup would require taking a server off line to put it in place. In the mean time, my old 3W3 to BNC cable has let go -- I already had to play with it to get it to work --, so I'm awaiting another. Despite all this annoying details, I am pleasantly surprised by the robustness of the Digital hardware. It's been much easier to get from point A to point B than with, say, Sun hardware. In any event, will keep you up to date on the details once I'm back in the game. - Alex > alexandre.laguejacq...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hello all, > > > I was never able to fix the power supply. Eventually I found one for > > not too much money on eBay. With the appropriate cables, it appears > > that the system works flawlessly. Someone left a copy of OSF/1 on the > > 1 GB RZ26L. I'd like to unstall OpenVMS 8.3 over it. Any objections? > > Great idea!! > > > > > My next problem is that OpenVMS 8.3 requires a "minimum" of version > > 7.0 firmware whereas this DEC 3000/400 has version 5.1. > > > I've found the equivalent of the old Digital FTP site at HP: > >http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/firmware/readmes/dec3000.html > > The files provided by HP only cover the update via floppy, BOOTP or > > MOP. Funny -- I'm not aware of a single DEC 3000 that has a floppy > > drive. The floppy is not an option and the BOOTP or MOP procedures > > require a working installation of OpenVMS or Tru64. > > > Now the Digital documentation (available at the above URL in the text > > file dec3000_v70_fw_relnote.txt) mentions a bootable firmware update > > CD-ROM. > > > Can anyone help? Ideally, I'd like to find the ISO of this infamous > > bootable firmware update CD-ROM. Then I'll bother you about the issue > > of bricking the DEC 3000 during the firmware update... ;-) > > You could try booting OpenVMS with the boot flags set to ignore the > minimum firmware revision check. (You'll still get warning messages, > but the system won't halt.) > > >>> boot -fl 0,800 > > I don't know if your old firmware will give VMS any trouble. I suspect > it will be fine. I think I have seen systems running with firmware > almost this old. > > If this works, you can get VMS installed and configured, and then put > the firmware update file on your VMS system disk. Follow the > instructions to boot the FW updater. Did you notice this heading: > "System Disk - Boot the Update Utility from an OpenVMS System Disk" ? > > And yes, these systems do support floppy drives, but they are probably > hard to find these days. It's a floppy drive that hides behind a SCSI > converter, so it looks like a small SCSI disk to software. > > -- Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:27:13 -0700 From: Marty Kuhrt Subject: Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ? Message-ID: Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > On 13 Apr 2008 at 4:37, JF Mezei wrote: >> Can anyone confirm that it is safe to put a larger disk if the hardware >> only reports 128 gigs available ? (aka, won't overwrite data etc). > > Don't know if it's "safe", but I have a DPWS 500au with a 200 GB disk that's been working > fine for several years. It reports 268435455 blocks (131072 MB). > > --Stan Quayle > Quayle Consulting Inc. Can you put more than 127G on it, or are the blocks reported the only ones you get? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:25:42 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Message-ID: <628120a0-abee-4ee2-96c5-56cff8c296bf@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Apr 17, 11:31=A0am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > Subject says it all. =A0What is the minimum Firmware version > needed to run 146GB drives in an HSG80? =A0Is there a limit to > the size of the drive? I just checked the release notes for v8.5, and it *DOES NOT* support anything beyond 36gb drives. That corrects a comment I made here the other day. So, Ken is correct. You need v8.6 at a minimum. I haven't tried using anything larger than 146gb disks. In prior versions of the ACS if you put in a drive that wasn't supported you would not create any problems. So, go forth and experiment. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:27:46 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:47:57 -0700, wrote: > On Apr 17, 8:31 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: >> Subject says it all. What is the minimum Firmware version >> needed to run 146GB drives in an HSG80? Is there a limit to >> the size of the drive? >> > > V8.6 works, and I think someone mentioned that in an > earlier thread as being the minimum. V8.8-3 was the > last version that I saw released. Well I have V88F-4 on mine, but this was for another HSG80 > > -Ken > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Min FW to run 146GB in HSG80 Message-ID: On Apr 17, 6:27=A0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > Well I have =A0V88F-4 =A0on mine, but this was for another > HSG80 All HSG80s are created equal. The -n is the patch level, and the patches are available on HP's web site. http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/storageworks/acs/platformsolutionkits/ind= ex.html There's a link on the left side of that page labelled "ACS 8.8 patches". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:44:38 -0700 From: Marty Kuhrt Subject: Re: Mozilla (et al.) v. TCPIP FTP server Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > Being annoyed yet again by the problem, I filed a bug report for a > problem in Mozilla (SWB, Firefox, ...) when dealing with a TCPIP FTP > server: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427887 > > It may not help much, but they appear to have a voting scheme for bugs, > so it might make some difference if more than one registered user cast a > vote for it. I've seen a couple of people try the test cases, but so > far there's no official "Bug Activity". I'm not sure if this is the same issue, but I've noticed that Firefox doesn't see files with lowercase file name parts, either. It'll see TEST.TXT but not TEST.txt or test.txt. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:20:18 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Mozilla (et al.) v. TCPIP FTP server Message-ID: <08041715201819_2020CE0A@antinode.org> From: Marty Kuhrt > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=427887 > I'm not sure if this is the same issue, but I've noticed that Firefox > doesn't see files with lowercase file name parts, either. It'll see > TEST.TXT but not TEST.txt or test.txt. That's a different problem. My complaint was triggered by long names on an ODS2 disk. I was assuming that it'd have troubles with the carets on ODS5, but apparently it's significantly worse than that. I was hoping to generate some interest from someone who already has a Mozilla/Firefox build environment set up, as that looked like a career-sized project all by itself, which I was hoping that I could avoid. (Well, of course I can avoid it, but I'd like to get the stuff working properly with VMS, too. Everything's complicated.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:07:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Karcher Subject: Re: Mozilla (et al.) v. TCPIP FTP server Message-ID: <89ec2aa2-ed5f-4cbd-88e6-4e71283e934f@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Apr 17, 3:20 pm, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > That's a different problem. My complaint was triggered by long names > on an ODS2 disk. I was assuming that it'd have troubles with the carets > on ODS5, but apparently it's significantly worse than that. The real 'fix' is for hp to add a 'unix compatibility mode' to it's ftp server. Enabled by a logical name perhaps. No GUI FTP client can read the listings so it's going to have problems manipulating the files. You can't expect every GUI FTP client to have special code to deal with ODS5, but you could expect HP to provide a 'unix' compatible ftp server so all those GUI FTP clients out there work again. -- -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW- Madison -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:59:28 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Mozilla (et al.) v. TCPIP FTP server Message-ID: <48080e90$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Carl Karcher wrote: > On Apr 17, 3:20 pm, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: >> That's a different problem. My complaint was triggered by long names >> on an ODS2 disk. I was assuming that it'd have troubles with the carets >> on ODS5, but apparently it's significantly worse than that. > > The real 'fix' is for hp to add a 'unix compatibility mode' to it's > ftp server. Enabled by a logical name perhaps. No GUI FTP client can > read the listings so it's going to have problems manipulating the > files. You can't expect every GUI FTP client to have special code to > deal with ODS5, but you could expect HP to provide a 'unix' compatible > ftp server so all those GUI FTP clients out there work again. HGFTP can do that. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:56:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update Message-ID: On Apr 17, 1:40=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Apr 17, 11:39 am, Rich Jordan wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 7:42 pm, Sue wrote: > > > > On Apr 11, 10:24 am, Sue wrote: > > > > > As promised here is theBootCampupdate for this week which we are > > > > happy with. > > > > > Session Abstracts, Keynotes are on the web site. > > > > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html > > > > > Current Registration is 135 > > > > Scholarships Available HP 5 > > > > Scholarship Available Partners 2 > > > > > Seats remaining 58 > > > > > Pre-Seminars > > > > > Thursday - Friday DT Pr-Seminar - =A0two seats - 18 People > > > > Monday and Tuesday DT seminar (same session) - 9 seats > > > > CIFs Seminar - one seat remaining - Thursday and Friday > > > > TCP/IP -Wed Friday - 5 seats remaining > > > > Storage session - plenty of seats > > > > RTR - plenty of seats. > > > > > Where are the customers coming from > > > > > Sweden 20 > > > > Russia 19 > > > > Netherlands 7 > > > > Switzerland 7 > > > > England 6 > > > > Germany 6 > > > > Austria 3 > > > > Canada 3 > > > > France 2 > > > > Ireland 2 > > > > Argentina 1 > > > > Australia 1 > > > > Barbados 1 > > > > Belgium 1 > > > > Lithuania 1 > > > > Norway 1 > > > > Scotland 1 > > > > > US - everyone else > > > > Just an update for everyone we have 42 seats remaining for the Boot > > > Camp > > > Wish I could go. > > Ditto- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is to anyone that would care to respond. And you can respond either here or to my hotmail account or HP account. What would be your reason for not attending the Boot Camp or if you can not attend the HPTF. No one is asking me to do a survey it just matters to me what the issue is. Thanks, Sue =2E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update Message-ID: <81afde39-9e19-442c-bef5-5d0d773bdc67@m71g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Apr 17, 1:40=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Apr 17, 11:39 am, Rich Jordan wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 7:42 pm, Sue wrote: > > > > On Apr 11, 10:24 am, Sue wrote: > > > > > As promised here is theBootCampupdate for this week which we are > > > > happy with. > > > > > Session Abstracts, Keynotes are on the web site. > > > > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html > > > > > Current Registration is 135 > > > > Scholarships Available HP 5 > > > > Scholarship Available Partners 2 > > > > > Seats remaining 58 > > > > > Pre-Seminars > > > > > Thursday - Friday DT Pr-Seminar - =A0two seats - 18 People > > > > Monday and Tuesday DT seminar (same session) - 9 seats > > > > CIFs Seminar - one seat remaining - Thursday and Friday > > > > TCP/IP -Wed Friday - 5 seats remaining > > > > Storage session - plenty of seats > > > > RTR - plenty of seats. > > > > > Where are the customers coming from > > > > > Sweden 20 > > > > Russia 19 > > > > Netherlands 7 > > > > Switzerland 7 > > > > England 6 > > > > Germany 6 > > > > Austria 3 > > > > Canada 3 > > > > France 2 > > > > Ireland 2 > > > > Argentina 1 > > > > Australia 1 > > > > Barbados 1 > > > > Belgium 1 > > > > Lithuania 1 > > > > Norway 1 > > > > Scotland 1 > > > > > US - everyone else > > > > Just an update for everyone we have 42 seats remaining for the Boot > > > Camp > > > Wish I could go. > > Ditto- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Folks, Just so you know I have a few scholarships if you are really interested.in attending the bootcamp. Youth - folks under 30 tuition only Hardship - if tuition only is a real hardship for you If you are willing to do a VMS on Integrity testimonial. Tdi one of our great business partners also is having a scholarship. Bruce Ellis also has a scholarship (check www.openvms.org) Sue Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:21:16 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Boot Camp Update Message-ID: Sue wrote: > On Apr 17, 1:40 pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" > wrote: >> On Apr 17, 11:39 am, Rich Jordan wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Apr 16, 7:42 pm, Sue wrote: >>>> On Apr 11, 10:24 am, Sue wrote: >>>>> As promised here is theBootCampupdate for this week which we are >>>>> happy with. >>>>> Session Abstracts, Keynotes are on the web site. >>>>> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html >>>>> Current Registration is 135 >>>>> Scholarships Available HP 5 >>>>> Scholarship Available Partners 2 >>>>> Seats remaining 58 >>>>> Pre-Seminars >>>>> Thursday - Friday DT Pr-Seminar - two seats - 18 People >>>>> Monday and Tuesday DT seminar (same session) - 9 seats >>>>> CIFs Seminar - one seat remaining - Thursday and Friday >>>>> TCP/IP -Wed Friday - 5 seats remaining >>>>> Storage session - plenty of seats >>>>> RTR - plenty of seats. >>>>> Where are the customers coming from >>>>> Sweden 20 >>>>> Russia 19 >>>>> Netherlands 7 >>>>> Switzerland 7 >>>>> England 6 >>>>> Germany 6 >>>>> Austria 3 >>>>> Canada 3 >>>>> France 2 >>>>> Ireland 2 >>>>> Argentina 1 >>>>> Australia 1 >>>>> Barbados 1 >>>>> Belgium 1 >>>>> Lithuania 1 >>>>> Norway 1 >>>>> Scotland 1 >>>>> US - everyone else >>>> Just an update for everyone we have 42 seats remaining for the Boot >>>> Camp >>> Wish I could go. >> Ditto- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > This is to anyone that would care to respond. And you can respond > either here or to my hotmail account or HP account. What would be > your reason for not attending the Boot Camp or if you can not attend > the HPTF. No one is asking me to do a survey it just matters to me > what the issue is. > > Thanks, > Sue > > > . It seems an extravagance for a retired System Manager who is now only a hobbyist! I used to enjoy going to DECUS symposia in the days when I had an employer to pay for it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:14:03 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: IBM looking at Macintosh Message-ID: <4807a187$0$7289$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/16/ibm-launches-pilot-program-for-migrating-to-macs/ IBM had a pilot program to evaluate supporting Macintosh computers for its own staff. They are also looking towards becoming more multi-platform. This is interesting in light of the fact that IBM, having sold its PC business to Lenovo is no longer really tied to Microsoft. AKA: it doesn't need to kneel down in from of Bill Gates, and have a sacrificial offering to prove its loyalty to MS anymore. It would be a hoot if IBM started to port all its software to VMS despite HP's best efforts in the other direction :-) :-) I thought this piece of news would tickle Mr Vaxman's fancy. Now that "Vax" has been mentioned in this post, it makes it relevant to c.o.v. :-) :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 2008 22:28:58 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: IBM looking at Macintosh Message-ID: <66q19aF2ks2anU1@mid.individual.net> In article <4807a187$0$7289$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/16/ibm-launches-pilot-program-for-migrating-to-macs/ > > IBM had a pilot program to evaluate supporting Macintosh computers for > its own staff. They are also looking towards becoming more multi-platform. > > This is interesting in light of the fact that IBM, having sold its PC > business to Lenovo is no longer really tied to Microsoft. AKA: it > doesn't need to kneel down in from of Bill Gates, and have a sacrificial > offering to prove its loyalty to MS anymore. > > It would be a hoot if IBM started to port all its software to VMS > despite HP's best efforts in the other direction :-) :-) What could possibly make IBM want to do anything at all with VMS? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:57:30 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: OT: IBM looking at Macintosh Message-ID: <48080e1a$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/16/ibm-launches-pilot-program-for-migrating-to-macs/ > > IBM had a pilot program to evaluate supporting Macintosh computers for > its own staff. They are also looking towards becoming more multi-platform. > > This is interesting in light of the fact that IBM, having sold its PC > business to Lenovo is no longer really tied to Microsoft. AKA: it > doesn't need to kneel down in from of Bill Gates, and have a sacrificial > offering to prove its loyalty to MS anymore. > > It would be a hoot if IBM started to port all its software to VMS > despite HP's best efforts in the other direction :-) :-) wrong premise: IBM did not port their software to VMS because of MS => wrong conclusion: they will now Arne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:26:17 GMT From: VMS is Virus Free Subject: Watching P2 memory usage on an Alpha Message-ID: I have a program that uses a good deal of P2 space. While it is running properly and works, I was using the following call to watch its P2 space usage: $ write sys$output f$getjpi(the_programs_pid,"p2_first_free_va_64") This works fine until it gets to FFFFFFFF then it rolls over to 00000000. I know the program that it's monitoring is working because its page file quota continues to slowly decrement even after this overflow. I can certainly write a small c program to do the SYS$GETJPI system service call and display from there. That call does return a quad-word which is what is needed in this case. The DCL script was just easier and has worked up until this point. This problem exists on our VMS V7.3-2 and V8.3 systems so an upgrade is unlikely to fix the issue. There was mention of this in an April 2004 DECUS Munchen Bonn presentation: http://www.decus.de/slides/sy2004/22_04/3k01.pdf They mentioned it as something that would need to be fixed after V8.2. Since our v8.3 system still has not been fixed, I assume this is on someone's "to do" list. Any thoughts or ideas? ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.216 ************************