INFO-VAX Thu, 03 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 187 Contents: Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:43:46 -0500 From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Message-ID: <5mYIj.521$ch4.420@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> BobH wrote: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in > news:47f22222$0$5615$607ed4bc@cv.net: > >> In article , BobH writes: >>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in >>> news:47f16c09$0$5615$607ed4bc@cv.net: >>> >>>> In article <47f15559$0$3857$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei >>>> writes: >>>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 'Twould be fine with me too but the power-hour wasn't about light >>>>>> pollution, it was a gesture about conserving energy. Power >>>>>> companies generate electric based on average demands. I really >>>>>> doubt that they made any fuel consumption changes based on a minor >>>>>> brief hour dip on the grid. >>>>> Not sure how authoritative, but I heard the city of Toronto noticed >>>>> an 8% drop in electrical consumption during that hour. >>>> Could be but the generators were still turning! >>> They may well be spinning, but the amount of energy they use is >>> proportional to the amount of power they are outputting. The wheels >>> on a car may turn at the same speed down hill and uphill, but downhill >>> the engine may be near idle, while uphill it is consuming gasoline at >>> a much greater rate, even theough it is turning, along with the >>> wheels, at the same speed. >> Gas turbines aren't enormously efficient! 60% at most. A 7% dip in >> the grid for an hour didn't affect anything significantly! Except for the fact a large majority of the generating plants are actually coal-fired and you have to keep them coals hot. And in the case of hydro or nuclear, you can't even shut the spillways or do whatever it takes to cool down a nuclear plant for 1 hr... Again, a 1hr 7% reduction did very little to conserve any real energy. When you think about it, electricity is only uses real energy at the point at which it is generated. Once AC is generated, it cannot be stored for "a rainy day". It is used as it is generated and only as it is generated - well maybe a few seconds to cross the grid... Having visited many power plants during my days as a DEC Field service eng, trust me, 7% was not even worth it... The only way to make it worth it is 7% permanent reduction. And IIRC, POWER_OFF did work on the 8800's... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:15:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Galen Subject: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: My current position is in the process of drying up. I have good prospects of other employment within my company (Booz Allen Hamilton) but none that involve VMS. I've been working with VMS since 1983 and with DEC->Compaq->HP hardware and software since my college days (1976-1980). I have done a bit of driver-level code in the past, but most recently have been doing VMS system support and small scale C programming. Given the right opportunity I'd consider relocating, perhaps especially to the San Francisco Bay Area, but staying in Northern Virginia would suit me and my family better. If you'd like a resume or more information you can reach me at gltmailbox-vms .at. yahoo dot com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:26:10 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <47F3DDD2.70108@comcast.net> Galen wrote: > My current position is in the process of drying up. I have good > prospects of other employment within my company (Booz Allen Hamilton) > but none that involve VMS. > > I've been working with VMS since 1983 and with DEC->Compaq->HP > hardware and software since my college days (1976-1980). I have done a > bit of driver-level code in the past, but most recently have been > doing VMS system support and small scale C programming. > > Given the right opportunity I'd consider relocating, perhaps > especially to the San Francisco Bay Area, but staying in Northern > Virginia would suit me and my family better. > > If you'd like a resume or more information you can reach me at > gltmailbox-vms .at. yahoo dot com. Welcome to the club and good luck. You'll need it. I've been looking since 2004! The few jobs available all seem to have additional requirements such as experience with MUMPS and Cache. If your employer is willing to retain/retrain you, count yourself damned lucky!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:05:41 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <7dd80f60804021305i6ddd82f2k3fec8c60b0ed9e13@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > Galen wrote: > > > My current position is in the process of drying up. I have good > > prospects of other employment within my company (Booz Allen Hamilton) > > but none that involve VMS. > > > > I've been working with VMS since 1983 and with DEC->Compaq->HP > > hardware and software since my college days (1976-1980). I have done a > > bit of driver-level code in the past, but most recently have been > > doing VMS system support and small scale C programming. > > > > Given the right opportunity I'd consider relocating, perhaps > > especially to the San Francisco Bay Area, but staying in Northern > > Virginia would suit me and my family better. If you look on dice.com there are a few VMS System Management jobs out there. There are a few in the Philadelphia area (out towards Norristown) which don't need MUMPS and a few in the NYC metro area. > > > > If you'd like a resume or more information you can reach me at > > gltmailbox-vms .at. yahoo dot com. > > > > Welcome to the club and good luck. You'll need it. I've been looking > since 2004! The few jobs available all seem to have additional requirements > such as experience with MUMPS and Cache. I got lucky last year when I got contacted about a consulting position in Baltimore (originally an 8 month contract, now it's been extended until at least the end of this year, which would be 20 months) If you're not a member of LinkedIn I would recommend signing up there. Good luck. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:49:08 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <47f3f19a$0$28124$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Galen wrote: > My current position is in the process of drying up. I have good > prospects of other employment within my company (Booz Allen Hamilton) > but none that involve VMS. If you have the opportunity to get your employer to pay for courses to retrain you in other OS or networking, TAKE IT. Back in 1992, some politician said "It's the economy, stupid". For IT, one can say "It's the applications, stupid". And while I wouldn't wish anyone be forced to migrate to Windows, Unix does offer a good compromise between a properly structured OS and application availability. Remember that many at HP have said that VMS would not be ported beyond Itanium. This is a pretty strong message about its future. Whether that IA64 thing is put out of its misery next year or 3 years down the road doesn't much of a difference when you are looking at your own long term career plans. With HP having told Cerner it was OK to abandon VMS, expect that many others will follow. VMS has lived fairly comfortably on life support for over a decade, surviving much longer than Gartner's predictions. But there comes a point where when you start to lose your few remaining major applications, it starts a chain reaction of organ failures. Short of sending the patient to the ICU for a major revival effort, it quickly gets to the point of no return. And since HP has reduced head count for VMS engineering, the "major revival effort" is clearly not going to be attempted. Draw your own conclusions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:57:49 GMT From: Antonio Carlini Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: "Ken Robinson" wrote in news:7dd80f60804021305i6ddd82f2k3fec8c60b0ed9e13@mail.gmail.com: > If you're not a member of LinkedIn I would > recommend signing up there. I'm there so I had a quick look. LinkedIn claims not to know about any UK VMS jobs, and presents a bunch (~250) from SimplyHired. A quick check on a few (that weren't obvious duplicates) either were jobs that were no longer available or jobs that had VMS in the list of requirements (usually behind other requirements like "Microsoft" and "Unix"). Maybe things are better in the US for VMS jobs (although maybe not judging by the comments in the thread). Perhaps the jobs have all gone to the ~500 people who show up on a search for "OpenVMS". Is there a better way to use LinkedIn that I'm not aware of? (I'm not looking for OpenVMS work, not even COBOL @ £650/day :-), I'm just curious). Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:53:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "winston19842005@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <52bfe786-c5a8-408a-9053-c5193914d88a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Apr 2, 4:49 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Galen wrote: > > My current position is in the process of drying up. I have good > > prospects of other employment within my company (Booz Allen Hamilton) > > but none that involve VMS. > > If you have the opportunity to get your employer to pay for courses to > retrain you in other OS or networking, TAKE IT. > > Back in 1992, some politician said "It's the economy, stupid". > > For IT, one can say "It's the applications, stupid". > > And while I wouldn't wish anyone be forced to migrate to Windows, Unix > does offer a good compromise between a properly structured OS and > application availability. > I worked for a company that sprung for Unix training, got my systems and network certs, shell scripting, etc. But because of how many OTHER people out there had both certs & experience, I lost out. Having your VMS skills and saying they are transferable isn't the same as having Unix experience, unfortunately. Now my VMS skills are 6 years unused, and Unix skills rusty (with exception of home-based Linux and OS X). I'm thinking I should maybe go into real estate... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:29:11 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <47f46b7d$0$28123$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> winston19842005@yahoo.com wrote: > But because of how many OTHER people out there had both certs & > experience, I lost out. Having your VMS skills and saying they are > transferable isn't the same as having Unix experience, unfortunately. Which is why if you are lucky enough to have an employer willing to transfer/train you from VMS to Unix, you should take it because you will get much needed experience. Staying with VMS is more and more a dead end situation. Sad, but true. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 00:23:17 +0200 From: "E .T." Subject: Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2 Message-ID: <47f4080d$0$6374$426a74cc@news.free.fr> oh ! http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4940173 "Jan-Erik Söderholm" a écrit dans le message de news: pFctj.3845$R_4.2714@newsb.telia.net... > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:25:57 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> >>> Vance Haemmerle wrote: >>>> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >>>>> Vance Haemmerle wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've been using MX 4.2 for almost a decade, with the >>>>>> latest patches and the Anti-open relay modifications. >>>>>> Is there anyone else out there still using MX 4.2? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well, yes, I'm "still" using MX 4.2 since installing >>>>> it about 2 weeks ago... :-) >>>>> >>>>> (I have been using the 3.x version(s) about 15 yrs ago, >>>>> but that's another story.) >>>>> >>>>> I'd be intrerested in your changes. >>>> http://toyvax.glendale.ca.us/www/mx_spam.html >>>> -- Vance >>>> >>> >>> OK, fine. >>> I have also fetched the 6.0 kit, so we'll see which way I'll go. >>> Thanks anyway ! >> >> I wonder if there is any difference between 5.4 and 6.0? >> >>> >>> Jan-Erik. >>> >> >> >> > > The 6.0 rel-notes mentions two "changes" from 5.4, it's > freeware and there are no supplied VAX build scripts. > > Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.187 ************************