INFO-VAX Wed, 02 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 185 Contents: Re: Alphaserver/station reliability Re: Alphaserver/station reliability ANN: Artistic Style 1.22 released Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Re: Getting Tomcat to allow upper-case application names? Re: Getting Tomcat to allow upper-case application names? Re: Getting Tomcat to allow upper-case application names? Scripting SET HOST/DUP with Kermit (or other)? Re: Scripting SET HOST/DUP with Kermit (or other)? Re: Scripting SET HOST/DUP with Kermit (or other)? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:25:18 +0100 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: Alphaserver/station reliability Message-ID: > "Main, Kerry" wrote in message >news:C72D63EB292C9E49AED23F705C61957BF62B593658@G1W0487.americas.hpqcorp.ne t... > My understanding is that it was 2 x VAX 750's using DTO7 bus switches for > "make before break" switching of peripherals. Wow. Everything I ever heard about the DT07 said that although it sounded great on paper, the real-life MTBF of all those reed switches, directly on an important IO bus, had a high probability of *reducing* the overall system availability, rather than increasing it, because the DT07 was the least reliable bit in the picture, AND was a critical part of the system (DT07 failure = system failure). Never saw one for real though so maybe it wasn't really that bad. It's a shame the 17 years uptime thing seems to have so little hard info. Anyway, fwiw, the logical DT07 follow-on, the MIRA Switch products, didn't switch the IO bus itself, but was based on rather simpler switches which didn't switch the whole bus, just the IO connectors for a useful selection of peripherals. A peripheral (typically a serial line, but other things were possible) could be quickly switched between two IO cards on each of two hosts, and if a switch did happen to fail it didn't necessarily have damaging consequences, especially if IO cables could be moved to temporarily bypass the switch(es) in a "hobble along" switchless mode. Neat, albeit not all that widely applicable. Regards John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:14:52 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Alphaserver/station reliability Message-ID: In article <47ED208B.1050606@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Dust bunnies are a common problem but they usually do not, or are not > allowed to, interfere with system functionality. > > A computer does, however, act as a vacuum cleaner. Any dust it sucks up > will likely remain inside the machine. A reasonably clean data center > helps a lot. A thorough vacuum cleaning every couple of years is a good > idea anyway. Just remove the cover, vacuum out the dust bunnies, and > close it up again. With workstations used in an office environment, > once a year is a good idea! > > I've never heard of a dust explosion inside a computer but there's a > first time for everything! My Alpha started crashing recently. I gave it a good vacuum, reseated the boards, removed the second NIC which was throwing errors, and it hasn't crashed since. -- Paul Sture Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:02:53 +1000 From: Jim Duff Subject: ANN: Artistic Style 1.22 released Message-ID: <47f2a2fd$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au> Artistic Style 1.22 has been released. Artistic Style is a source code indenter, formatter, and beautifier for the C, C++, C# and Java programming languages. This version corrects a number of bugs, adds recursive directory handling, and internalizes wildcard processing. Additionally, a Java Native Interface version and a sharable image version have been provided, allowing Artistic Style to be easily incorporated into other programs such as IDEs. More information and the links to download the package can be found at the Artistic Style home page located at: Any OpenVMS specific problems can be directed to me via my website. Jim. -- www.eight-cubed.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:23:42 GMT From: Alfred Falk Subject: Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote in news:47f15559$0$3857$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> 'Twould be fine with me too but the power-hour wasn't about light >> pollution, it was a gesture about conserving energy. Power companies >> generate electric based on average demands. I really doubt that they >> made any fuel consumption changes based on a minor brief hour dip on >> the grid. > > Not sure how authoritative, but I heard the city of Toronto noticed an > 8% drop in electrical consumption during that hour. Well, according to Edmonton Journal, Edmonton cut 1.5% compared to same period previous Saturday. Calgary was up 2.1% on the other hand. However Calgary was 12 C colder than previous, whereas Edmonton was only 4 or 5 C colder. Power company spokesman is quoted as saying 10-15% is normal variation, so really it's lost in the noise. http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/cityplus/story.html?id= 5f6ba0de-d209-45e6-b568-d1df7772d4b4 Earth Hour is mostly a conciousness-raising, educational, excercise. Proponents do not claim otherwise as far as I know. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- A L B E R T A Alfred Falk falk@arc.ab.ca R E S E A R C H Information Systems Dept (780)450-5185 C O U N C I L 250 Karl Clark Road Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://www.arc.ab.ca/ T6N 1E4 http://outside.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:40:54 +0100 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Message-ID: wrote in message news:47f249ca$0$5617$607ed4bc@cv.net... > In article , AEF writes: > >On Apr 1, 7:53 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> In article , BobH writes: > >> >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in > >> >news:47f16c09$0$5615$607ed4bc@cv.net: > >> > >> >> In article <47f15559$0$3857$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei > >> >> writes: > >> >>>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > >> > >> >>>> 'Twould be fine with me too but the power-hour wasn't about light > >> >>>> pollution, it was a gesture about conserving energy. Power > >> >>>> companies generate electric based on average demands. I really > >> >>>> doubt that they made any fuel consumption changes based on a minor > >> >>>> brief hour dip on the grid. > >> > >> >>>Not sure how authoritative, but I heard the city of Toronto noticed an > >> >>>8% drop in electrical consumption during that hour. > >> > >> >> Could be but the generators were still turning! > >> > >> >They may well be spinning, but the amount of energy they use is > >> >proportional to the amount of power they are outputting. The wheels on a > >> >car may turn at the same speed down hill and uphill, but downhill the > >> >engine may be near idle, while uphill it is consuming gasoline at a much > >> >greater rate, even theough it is turning, along with the wheels, at the > >> >same speed. > >> > >> Gas turbines aren't enormously efficient! 60% at most. A 7% dip in the > >> grid for an hour didn't affect anything significantly! > >> > >> -- > >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > >> > > > >See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_engine for typical heat-engine > >efficiencies. > > Then why didn't you consult wiki's gas turbine efficiency reference? > > > > >Remember the 3 laws of thermodynamics: > > > >1. You can't win. > > > >2. You can't even break even. > > > >3. You gotta play the game. > > Wow. I'm going to have to toss my Sears and Salinger "Thermodynamics, > Kinetic Theory, and Statistical Thermodynamics" in the fire as they've > mislead me on these laws. > > dU=dQ-dw ... hogwash! > > dS=dQ/T .... doggerel! > > lim S=0 .... utter bullshit! > T->0 > > If I should cross paths with Dr. Smith, I'll personally thank him for > wasting several hours a week for two semesters which would have been > better spent in the pub contemplating the adiabatic boundary keeping > heat flow (q) from my favorite beverages. :) > > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html# The pretty graphs and maths on the Wiki page reflect theoretical maximum efficiencies (usually Carnot efficiencies), as any thermodynamicist such as yourself (and maybe me, and probably a few others here) will know, which basically says that they hotter you burn the more efficient you can in principle get (oversimplification, but). Consequently the efficiency of typical steam-driven coal/oil/gas-fired thermal generation is indeed down in the 40% region. Gas turbine engines burn rather hotter and consequently have a higher theoretical maximum efficiency. The CC in CCGT comes from "combined cycle gas turbine"; you use the waste heat from the gas turbine to raise steam to turn another turbine, which allows you to get closer to the theoretical maximum. But still only maybe 60% or so overall, and with a whole load of its own challenges (e.g. hotter combustion produces more pollutants such as oxides of nitrogen). Incidentally, could I have 7% of your assets and income please? You said yourself 7% wasn't significant, so presumably you wouldn't notice. Maybe. Are we nearly done yet? Regards John ------------------------------ Date: 01 Apr 2008 22:40:52 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Does POWER_OFF really work ? Message-ID: <47f2b9f4$0$5610$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , "John Wallace" writes: >{...snip...} > >Incidentally, could I have 7% of your assets and income please? You said >yourself 7% wasn't significant, so presumably you wouldn't notice. Maybe. 7% of nothing is nothing. Have at it. In fact, if you want, I'll toss in 3% of nothing to round out the figures. >Are we nearly done yet? I was the only one, outside of perhaps JF who first mentioned it, who knew what the 'hour of power' was and was about, and answered the initial query. I didn't see that 7% topple any prices on the oil market so I'll conclude, whether you like my conclusion or not, that Earth Hour was inconsequential. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Getting Tomcat to allow upper-case application names? Message-ID: <66c85c42-de96-4513-b796-1f203af1b448@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Apr 1, 2:43 pm, AEF wrote: > On Apr 1, 6:22 am, wins...@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL > > > > Central Computing) wrote: > > OpenVMS 8.3 on rx2600. > > Java 1.5.0 > > Tomcat 5.5.9 > > > We brought this URAWI application over from Unix. URLs look like > > /URAWI/Login.html > > > ODS-5 disk. > > > A directory of webapps looks like: > > > Directory APACHE$COMMON:[APACHE.JAKARTA.TOMCAT.webapps] > > > balancer.DIR;1 countries.DIR;1 countries.war;1 jpetstore.DIR;1 > > jpetstore.war;1 myapp-0^.1-dev.DIR;1 > > myapp-0^.1-dev.war;1 ROOT.DIR;1 > > servlets-examples.DIR;1 SPRING-FRAMEWORK-1_2_9.DIR;1 > > SPRING1.ZIP;1 SPRINGFRAMEWORK.DIR;1 tomcat-docs.DIR;1 > > TRIAL-EXAMPLES.DIR;1 URAWI.DIR;1 webdav.DIR;1 > > > $type apache$specific:[000000].tomcatrc > > $ SET PROCESS /PARSE_STYLE=EXTENDED > > $ DEFINE/JOB APACHE$JAKARTA_ENABLE_ODS5 "1" > > $ DEFINE/JOB APACHE$JAKARTA_USE_FASTVM "1" > > $ DEFINE/JOB APACHE$JAKARTA_JAVA_PARAMETERS_FILE > > APACHE$ROOT:[000000]TOMCAT_JVM_ARGS.DAT > > $ DEFINE/JOB DECC$EFS_CHARSET "ENABLE" > > $ DEFINE/JOB DECC$ARGV_PARSE_STYLE "ENABLE" > > $ DEFINE/JOB DECC$FILE_SHARING "ENABLE" > > $ DEFINE/JOB JAVA$CACHING_INTERVAL "60" > > $ DEFINE/JOB JAVA$CACHING_DIRECTORY "TRUE" > > $ DEFINE/JOB JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS "0" > > $ DEFINE/JOB JAVA$READDIR_CASE_DISABLE "TRUE" > > $ DEFINE/JOB JAVA$DAEMONIZE_MAIN_THREAD "TRUE" > > $ > > $ DEFINE APACHE$JAKARTA_JDK_SETUP SYS$MANAGER:JAVA$150_SETUP.COM > > ----- > > > The manager application shows the URAWI application as /urawi > > > "/urawi/Login.html" works. > > > "/URAWI/Login.html" produces the 404 page from Tomcat. > > > How can I get "/URAWI/" to be recognized? I would have thought the various > > DECC$ logicals, the JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS, etc, etc, would have done it, but > > apparently not. > > > JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS "8" and "-1" don'tmake any visible difference either. > > > Thanks for any info. > > > -- Alan > > I can't believe there is software like this. WHY ON EARTH would > someone need it to be NOT case-sensitive? > > AEF Case sensitivity is an abomination unto Nuggen :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:19:03 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: Getting Tomcat to allow upper-case application names? Message-ID: In article <00A77727.C0196CB8@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote: > How can I get "/URAWI/" to be recognized? I would have thought the various > DECC$ logicals, the JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS, etc, etc, would have done it, but > apparently not. > > JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS "8" and "-1" don'tmake any visible difference either. I don't see DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE in your list. It might be implicit in one of the JAVA$xxx logicals, but it might be worth trying explicitly just in case. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:04:49 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: Getting Tomcat to allow upper-case application names? Message-ID: <00A777AB.56F7651E@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article , "Craig A. Berry" writes: >In article <00A77727.C0196CB8@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, > winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) > wrote: > > > >> How can I get "/URAWI/" to be recognized? I would have thought the various >> DECC$ logicals, the JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS, etc, etc, would have done it, but >> apparently not. >> >> JAVA$FILENAME_CONTROLS "8" and "-1" don'tmake any visible difference either. > >I don't see DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE in your list. It might be implicit >in one of the JAVA$xxx logicals, but it might be worth trying >explicitly just in case. Tried it explicitly (at Steve Schweda's suggestion). Didn't make any visible difference. Googling around, can't seem to find any complete listing of JAVA$xxx logicals. -- Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Scripting SET HOST/DUP with Kermit (or other)? Message-ID: <6631b7b5-7ebf-4eb4-a97e-b0c8498ddfcc@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com> I've got a (remaining) AlphaServer 4100 on the CI with 3-pairs of HSJ''s. I'd like to be able to monitor the controllers, presumably by running a script of some sort to do the various SHOW THIS, SHOW OTHER, SHOW DISKS, etc. Longish post follows... Main question is, can I use Kermit to script a SET HOST/DUP session to the HSJ's? ------------------------ I've gotten spoiled by HSG's (apparently) with which I can create a command file similar to: $ Set Host/SCSI HSG1 show this show other show device ... exit $ Exit and do $@Show_Hsg/Out=Show_Hsg.Lis for example. (Set Host/Scsi does *not* have a /Log qualifier, so I need to use /Output on the "@" command.) I attempted to do the same thing to grab the configuration from the HSJ controllers via a command file consisting of: $ Set Host/Dup/Server=Mscp$Dup/Task=CLI - /Log=HSJ2.Lis HSJ2 show this show other show device ... exit $ Exit However, Set Host/Dup, like a "normal" Set Host to another VMS system, will not read commands from Sys$Input (the command file). I tried adding, $ Define/User Sys$Command Sys$Input $ Define/User TT: Sys$Input $ Set Host/Dup ... but that didn't work either. I always get stuck at the HSJ2> prompt. OK, so this would be easy using a "dialog" script in Console Manager. Is there a way to do this with Kermit? I tried the following without success: --------------------------------------------------------------------- $ type tryit.ksc set take echo on set take error on set input echo on @Set Host/Dup/Server=Mscp$Dup/Task=Cli HSJ2 input 5 HSJ2 output show unit\13 input 5 HSJ2 output exit\13 exit $ $ kermit tryit.ksc 2. set take error on 3. set input echo on 4. @Set Host/Dup/Server=Mscp$Dup/Task=Cli HSJ2 %HSCPAD-I-LOCPROGEXE, Local program executing - type ^\ to exit Copyright Compaq Computer Corporation 1993, 1998. All rights reserved. HSJ50-AX Firmware version V54J-0, Hardware version B06 Last fail code: 018700A0 Press " ?" at any time for help. HSJ2> exit %HSCPAD-S-REMPGMEND, Remote program terminated - message number 1054. %HSCPAD-S-END, Control returned to node HNAA 5. input 5 HSJ2 Command file terminated by error. C-Kermit 7.0.196, 1 Jan 2000, for OpenVMS Alpha Copyright (C) 1985, 2000, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. PATHY:[SYSKHF.TOOLS.KERMIT] C-Kermit> $ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Is what I'm attempting to do possible with Kermit? If so, how? Thanks, Ken -- Ken Fairfield Who: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:00:11 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Scripting SET HOST/DUP with Kermit (or other)? Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com wrote: > I tried the following without success: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > $ type tryit.ksc > set take echo on > set take error on > set input echo on > @Set Host/Dup/Server=Mscp$Dup/Task=Cli HSJ2 > input 5 HSJ2 > output show unit\13 > input 5 HSJ2 > output exit\13 > exit > $ > $ kermit tryit.ksc > 2. set take error on > 3. set input echo on > 4. @Set Host/Dup/Server=Mscp$Dup/Task=Cli HSJ2 > %HSCPAD-I-LOCPROGEXE, Local program executing - type ^\ to exit > ... > Is what I'm attempting to do possible with Kermit? I suspect not. I am hardly an expert at this, but it seems to me that if Kermit does not know how to talk the particular protocol of SET HOST/DUP then you are out of luck. The Kermit scripts I have written all start out with SET LINE or TELNET, with Kermit initiating and controlling the serial or telnet session. Is there a way that you can SET LINE to a SET HOST/DUP? Good luck. - Rob -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: Scripting SET HOST/DUP with Kermit (or other)? Message-ID: On Apr 1, 4:00 pm, Rob Brown wrote: > On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Ken.Fairfi...@gmail.com wrote: > > I tried the following without success: > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > $ type tryit.ksc > > set take echo on > > set take error on > > set input echo on > > @Set Host/Dup/Server=Mscp$Dup/Task=Cli HSJ2 > > input 5 HSJ2 > > output show unit\13 > > input 5 HSJ2 > > output exit\13 > > exit > > $ > > $ kermit tryit.ksc > > 2. set take error on > > 3. set input echo on > > 4. @Set Host/Dup/Server=Mscp$Dup/Task=Cli HSJ2 > > %HSCPAD-I-LOCPROGEXE, Local program executing - type ^\ to exit > > ... > > Is what I'm attempting to do possible with Kermit? > > I suspect not. > > I am hardly an expert at this, but it seems to me that if Kermit does > not know how to talk the particular protocol of SET HOST/DUP then you > are out of luck. The Kermit scripts I have written all start out with > SET LINE or TELNET, with Kermit initiating and controlling the serial > or telnet session. Is there a way that you can SET LINE to a SET > HOST/DUP? I see your point. If I had the console serial connections hooked up to a terminal server, I could open a telnet session to the given port on the TS. But I don't and I'm not inclined to expend the resources needed to go that route... :-( Thanks for the response, Ken ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.185 ************************