INFO-VAX Fri, 15 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 92 Contents: Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? 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Chris Scheers wrote: > John Santos wrote: >> In article , >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net says... >>> In article >>> <2248d527-676b-4f72-96aa-dd797a45a596@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, >>> tadamsmar writes: >>>> I have a noisy disk in a shadows set and I a trying to figure out >>>> which one. >>>> >>>> Is there a vms command that will spin down a disk? >>> Yes for RA disks, but not for newer disks like SCSI. >>> >> >> I've always thought a stethoscope would be a useful diagnostic >> tool for computers, but have never actually tried it. >> >> Know any doctors? I think they get them for free as >> perks from drug and medical equipment companies. > > Go to an auto parts store and get a mechanics stethoscope. It has a > long thin rod on the end. You touch the tip of the rod to various bits > of equipment to listen for bad bearings. > ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 07:45:44 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Message-ID: In article <2248d527-676b-4f72-96aa-dd797a45a596@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, tadamsmar writes: > I have a noisy disk in a shadows set and I a trying to figure out > which one. > > Is there a vms command that will spin down a disk? > This depends on the hardware. Some hardware will spin down with dismount/unload, but I haven't seen any since my RP06 days. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 07:46:34 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Message-ID: In article , John Santos writes: > > I've always thought a stethoscope would be a useful diagnostic > tool for computers, but have never actually tried it. > > Know any doctors? I think they get them for free as > perks from drug and medical equipment companies. You can get a more appropriate one cheap at your auto parts store. I've got one and I've actually used it on my car. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:53:30 -0800 (PST) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Message-ID: <5968332b-6ea5-4c48-b354-70fd203c01ad@s13g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On 15 Feb, 07:54, Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> wrote: > I usually take a screwdriver, place the tip on a device and put > may ear on the handle. Works perfectly. > > Jur. > > > > Chris Scheers wrote: > > John Santos wrote: > >> In article , > >> Kilgal...@SpamCop.net says... > >>> In article > >>> <2248d527-676b-4f72-96aa-dd797a45a...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > >>> tadamsmar writes: > >>>> I have a noisy disk in a shadows set and I a trying to figure out > >>>> which one. > > >>>> Is there a vms command that will spin down a disk? > >>> Yes for RA disks, but not for newer disks like SCSI. > > >> I've always thought a stethoscope would be a useful diagnostic > >> tool for computers, but have never actually tried it. > > >> Know any doctors? =A0I think they get them for free as > >> perks from drug and medical equipment companies. > > > Go to an auto parts store and get a mechanics stethoscope. =A0It has a > > long thin rod on the end. =A0You touch the tip of the rod to various bit= s > > of equipment to listen for bad bearings.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That's a trick the technician in my A'Level metalwork class taught me - Bob Burgess taught me that over 20 years ago and he'd been using it in his career as a machine tool fitter for best part of 40 years. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:16:18 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Message-ID: <47b59ed8$0$13981$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> DSSI disks had a function to turn on the fault light manually in order to identify a drive. But this may not be of much help to you. Depending on the disk generation, some drives had very loud arm movements. With such drives, doing a DIR/FULL disk:[000000...]*.*;* would let you go and listen to which drive was always active. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:42:54 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Does dism/unload spin down a disk? Message-ID: <47B5A4EE.6030006@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > DSSI disks had a function to turn on the fault light manually in order > to identify a drive. But this may not be of much help to you. > > Depending on the disk generation, some drives had very loud arm > movements. With such drives, doing a DIR/FULL disk:[000000...]*.*;* > would let you go and listen to which drive was always active. ISTR the HSZ series controllers had some such feature. The command was "locate". ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 11:40:17 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <47b57a21$0$14651$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82d59@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: >On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" > wrote: >> I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to >> me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the >> OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him >> long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear >> or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a >> hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. >> >> Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to >> find out what's up. >> >> =A0 John H. Reinhardt > >Dear folks, > >Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my >opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 11:57:17 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61ld0tF1vstv8U1@mid.individual.net> In article <47b57a21$0$14651$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82d59@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: >>On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" >> wrote: >>> I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to >>> me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the >>> OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him >>> long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear >>> or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a >>> hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. >>> >>> Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to >>> find out what's up. >>> >>> =A0 John H. Reinhardt >> >>Dear folks, >> >>Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my >>opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. > > As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with > them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- > marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. Telemarketers are scum, just like SPAMers. It doesn't matter that one person wants their calls, 99,9% of the people they call don't. Too bad the infamous "do not call" list didn't work, but then, that was just another law without teeth and I think most people knew that from the beginning, bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:41:18 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <979ddef3-e47e-4925-8270-eaf7860a4622@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Feb 15, 7:57 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article <47b57a21$0$14651$607ed...@cv.net>, > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > > > > In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: > >>On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" > >> wrote: > >>> I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to > >>> me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the > >>> OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him > >>> long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear > >>> or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a > >>> hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. > > >>> Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to > >>> find out what's up. > > >>> =A0 John H. Reinhardt > > >>Dear folks, > > >>Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my > >>opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. > > > As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with > > them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- > > marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. > > Telemarketers are scum, just like SPAMers. It doesn't matter that one > person wants their calls, 99,9% of the people they call don't. Too bad > the infamous "do not call" list didn't work, but then, that was just > another law without teeth and I think most people knew that from the > beginning, > > bill > > -- > Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves > b...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton | > Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include The do-not-call list worked for me. Maybe it just doesn't work in PA. ;-) AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:09:02 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <47B58EEE.5060700@comcast.net> VAXman- wrote: > In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82d59@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: > >>On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" >> wrote: >> >>>I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to >>>me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the >>>OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him >>>long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear >>>or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a >>>hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. >>> >>>Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to >>>find out what's up. >>> >>>=A0 John H. Reinhardt >> >>Dear folks, >> >>Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my >>opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. > > > As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with > them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- > marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. > 99.999% of telemarketers will hang up when they get an answering machine! Get one and don't answer the phone unless the caller is willing to speak to the answering machine. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:15:30 -0800 (PST) From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <30c7ebe6-4de3-4980-97a1-ccd0413eb305@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Feb 15, 6:40 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: > > > > >On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" > > wrote: > >> I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to > >> me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the > >> OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him > >> long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear > >> or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a > >> hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. > > >> Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to > >> find out what's up. > > >> =A0 John H. Reinhardt > > >Dear folks, > > >Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my > >opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. > > As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with > them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- > marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html You won't get it. It came in on my cell phone without any identification. All it had was "Call" and I wouldn't have answered except that's what it looks like when the service desk calls me (I'm currently on call at work). John H. Reinhardt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:16:06 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <47B59096.6030902@comcast.net> AEF wrote: > On Feb 15, 7:57 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >>In article <47b57a21$0$14651$607ed...@cv.net>, >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >> >> >> >>>In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: >>> >>>>On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to >>>>>me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the >>>>>OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him >>>>>long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear >>>>>or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a >>>>>hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. >>>> >>>>>Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to >>>>>find out what's up. >>>> >>>>>=A0 John H. Reinhardt >>>> >>>>Dear folks, >>> >>>>Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my >>>>opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. >>> >>>As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with >>>them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- >>>marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. >> >>Telemarketers are scum, just like SPAMers. It doesn't matter that one >>person wants their calls, 99,9% of the people they call don't. Too bad >>the infamous "do not call" list didn't work, but then, that was just >>another law without teeth and I think most people knew that from the >>beginning, >> >>bill >> >>-- >>Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves >>b...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >>University of Scranton | >>Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include > > > The do-not-call list worked for me. Maybe it just doesn't work in > PA. ;-) > > AEF The do-not-call list is a big improvement. Unfortunately, it does not cover "surveys" and some phone spammers never heard of it or they do know about it and aren't afraid of it. Short of an enforceable law with a death penalty, you won't get rid of telemarketers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:19:24 -0800 (PST) From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <7f0806e6-318e-44ca-8583-a30e671c1477@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Feb 15, 6:57 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > > Telemarketers are scum, just like SPAMers. It doesn't matter that one > person wants their calls, 99,9% of the people they call don't. Too bad > the infamous "do not call" list didn't work, but then, that was just > another law without teeth and I think most people knew that from the > beginning, > > bill This is true. Though I would assume this particular call was a little more directed since they said it was a result of requesting the OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. I forget if the phone number was optional when requesting. Probably not. They probably knew they'd do a follow up call eventually. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 13:23:58 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61li3eF1vljunU1@mid.individual.net> In article <47B58EEE.5060700@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > VAXman- wrote: >> In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82d59@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: >> >>>On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" >>> wrote: >>> >>>>I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to >>>>me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the >>>>OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him >>>>long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear >>>>or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a >>>>hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. >>>> >>>>Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to >>>>find out what's up. >>>> >>>>=A0 John H. Reinhardt >>> >>>Dear folks, >>> >>>Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my >>>opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. >> >> >> As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with >> them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- >> marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. >> > > 99.999% of telemarketers will hang up when they get an answering > machine! Get one and don't answer the phone unless the caller is > willing to speak to the answering machine. Yeah, that's the answer, punish the victim. I don't talk to answering machines and I am not a telemarketer. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 13:25:22 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61li62F1vljunU2@mid.individual.net> In article <30c7ebe6-4de3-4980-97a1-ccd0413eb305@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: > On Feb 15, 6:40 am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: >> >> >> >> >On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" >> > wrote: >> >> I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to >> >> me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the >> >> OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him >> >> long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear >> >> or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a >> >> hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. >> >> >> Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to >> >> find out what's up. >> >> >> =A0 John H. Reinhardt >> >> >Dear folks, >> >> >Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my >> >opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. >> >> As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with >> them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- >> marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >> >> "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" >> >> http://tmesis.com/drat.html > > You won't get it. It came in on my cell phone without any > identification. All it had was "Call" and I wouldn't have answered > except that's what it looks like when the service desk calls me (I'm > currently on call at work). So, on top of annoying you, they made you pay for the call. Any wonder why I consider them to be scum? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 07:36:49 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: In article <979ddef3-e47e-4925-8270-eaf7860a4622@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > The do-not-call list worked for me. Maybe it just doesn't work in > PA. ;-) The do not call list works for me. Since getting on it back when it was new, I think I've gotten 3 sales calls. I've threatened to "help the government bring a $20,000 fine" against them if I ever hear from them again, and I never have. The fine is stiff enough that it works. You do have to get involved in order to get prosecution. *69 in many areas is a good step, if you do't have it then tell your state legislator you demand it. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 07:38:10 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: In article <7f0806e6-318e-44ca-8583-a30e671c1477@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: > > This is true. Though I would assume this particular call was a little > more directed since they said it was a result of requesting the > OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. I forget if the phone number was > optional when requesting. Probably not. They probably knew they'd do > a follow up call eventually. If you've done business with HP, they have a six month out from the do not call list. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:38:19 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <47B595CB.2030708@comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <47B58EEE.5060700@comcast.net>, > "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > >>VAXman- wrote: >> >>>In article <9eae9caa-412b-418a-b80d-741fc5a82d59@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: >>> >>> >>>>On Feb 14, 12:01=A0pm, "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I just got an interesting call. =A0It was a young man wanting to talk to >>>>>me about my server situation since I had requested a copy of the >>>>>OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. =A0I was so shocked I didn't talk to him >>>>>long enough to find out if he was trying to sell me more OpenVMS gear >>>>>or migrate me away. =A0I was sorry to have to tell him that I'm merely a >>>>>hobbyist and all my servers came from Ebay rather than HP. >>>>> >>>>>Maybe one of you will get a call too and have more presence of mind to >>>>>find out what's up. >>>>> >>>>>=A0 John H. Reinhardt >>>> >>>>Dear folks, >>>> >>>>Please don't be surprised, we really do care about you and in my >>>>opinion more and more folks can see how important you are. >>> >>> >>>As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with >>>them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- >>>marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. >>> >> >>99.999% of telemarketers will hang up when they get an answering >>machine! Get one and don't answer the phone unless the caller is >>willing to speak to the answering machine. > > > Yeah, that's the answer, punish the victim. > > I don't talk to answering machines and I am not a telemarketer. > > bill > > Well don't bother calling me! (I know, you didn't want to talk to me anyway!) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 13:56:55 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61lk17F1vg4qrU1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <7f0806e6-318e-44ca-8583-a30e671c1477@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" writes: >> >> This is true. Though I would assume this particular call was a little >> more directed since they said it was a result of requesting the >> OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. I forget if the phone number was >> optional when requesting. Probably not. They probably knew they'd do >> a follow up call eventually. > > If you've done business with HP, they have a six month out from the > do not call list. Only if I agree to it. Just another good reason to not do business with them. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 13:59:37 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <61lk68F1vg4qrU2@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <979ddef3-e47e-4925-8270-eaf7860a4622@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: >> >> The do-not-call list worked for me. Maybe it just doesn't work in >> PA. ;-) > > The do not call list works for me. Since getting on it back when it > was new, I think I've gotten 3 sales calls. I've threatened to "help > the government bring a $20,000 fine" against them if I ever hear from > them again, and I never have. > > The fine is stiff enough that it works. You do have to get involved > in order to get prosecution. *69 in many areas is a good step, if > you do't have it then tell your state legislator you demand it. Hmmm..... Let's see, they fake their phone number. won't tell you who they are and won't let you speak to a supervisor. How do you propose to prosecute them? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:22:45 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <47b5a05b$0$13991$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > As long as they are using an identifiable phone number, I'll speak with > them when/if they call. If they are calling and hiding, like most tele- > marketers, behind unpublished numbers they will not get through to me. Statisticians often omit records that are out of bounds from their studies. Such records screw up their statistics :-) Since your responses are likely to be way out of HP's bounds, I suspect your answers would be filed in the "odd person" category and not used. If HP wants to produce a survey that shows VMS customers are happy with HP's treatment of VMS, then they will define the questions and bounds to ensure that the results match what HP wants to hear. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:27:07 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <47b5a161$0$13991$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: > This is true. Though I would assume this particular call was a little > more directed since they said it was a result of requesting the > OpenVMS 30th Anniversary CD. And such survey will show that 100% of VMS customers run windows. (Since only those running windows would have requested that windows-only CD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:25:56 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP OpenVMS Tele-Marketing?!? Message-ID: <47b5a119$0$13991$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com wrote: > You won't get it. It came in on my cell phone without any > identification. Last summer, some insurance company called my cell phone. I was on my bike. By the time it was safe for me to answer, they had hung up. I tried calling the number shown in the caller ID, and it was a pre-recorded message stating that an insurance company tried to reach me and then hung up. Every day for 2 months, they called at roughly the same time. The phone company was unwilling to give me the identity of the phone number that was shown in the caller ID. (and it was a proper number since something answered at the other end). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:01:18 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: NFS and version numbers Message-ID: <47b5a95b$0$25394$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Does anyone use VMS as an NFS server ? When multiple versions of a file exists, it is served as: name.type.version (for instance, login.com.37) Besides confusing the mac client on what type of file it is, when I attempt to save it: If I do a "save" from the client, it is saved as loginˆ.com.37 If I do a "save as" and save it as "login.com" it asks me to confirm overwiting an existing file and then , it either fails with some type of error, or saves it as as "login.com;1" and zaps the previous version. /disk2/users/jfmezei BRAKES, 10.0.0.20 Options: Purge Typeless Name_cvt Has anyone found a way to make the NFS server on VMS behave as the FTP server with the "TCPIP$FTP_NO_VERSION" = "1" where version numbers are not supplied to remote clients, but the file system properly handles them when files are being sent back to the server ? aka: a directory would only show the most recent version of a file (without version number), and when you save it, it automatically creates a new version but client is not aware of it, since it only asked for "login.com" and is saving it as "login.com". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:42:41 -0500 From: "Ed Vogel" Subject: Re: ODS5, /NAMES = AS_IS, LIBRARY, MMS v. me Message-ID: "Steven M. Schweda" wrote in message news:08021417274108_206420A4@antinode.org... > > Interestingly, while the compiler is allowed to set a module name to > "VMS", I, apparently, am not: > > CC /decc /prefix = (all) /names = as_is /include = ([], [.VMS]) > /object = [. > ALPHAL]VMS.OBJ /define = (VMS , _LARGEFILE ) 'temp_name'+ [.VMS]VMS.C > > #pragma module VMS > ..............^ > %CC-W-BADMODULEID, Invalid identifier found immediately following "#pragma > modul > e" or "#module" directive. > at line number 1 in file > ALP$DKA100:[UTILITY.SOURCE.mtools.mtools-3_9_11a.ALPHAL > ]module_name_f20656EC7.tmp;1 > %MMS-F-ABORT, For target [.ALPHAL]VMS.OBJ, CLI returned abort status: > %X10B91260 > . > > On an ODS2 disk, without the fancy #pragma directive, no one ever > complained about an implicit module name of "VMS": > > ALP $ pipe anal /obje VMS.OBJ | sear sys$input "module name" > module name: "VMS" > > Smells like a (stink-)bug to me. Who'll defend it? > Me :-) The warning is caused because VMS is a predefined macro with the value of 1. So, the compiler really sees: #pragma module 1 and that is an invalid identifier. If you add: #undef VMS before the #pragma module you should get the behavior you want. Ed Vogel HP/Compaq/DEC C/C++ for OpenVMS Engineering ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2008 07:44:27 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT Richard Dawkins on slavery Message-ID: <3+raqPOHjGfc@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Rob Brown writes: > > It seems to me that this says that Richard Dawkins says he (or we, but > surely he is a subset of we) approves of slavery on grounds other than > race or sex. The US Constitution specifically allows slavery on the grounds of criminal conviction. Thus one can still be sentenced to hard labor, and convicts can still be "rented" out by the government without pay. In practice the government does not treat convicts as property, and there are probably federal laws preventing that. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:09:41 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: SPAM detection for freeware MX 4.2 Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:25:57 -0800, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: > >> Vance Haemmerle wrote: >>> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >>>> Vance Haemmerle wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've been using MX 4.2 for almost a decade, with the >>>>> latest patches and the Anti-open relay modifications. >>>>> Is there anyone else out there still using MX 4.2? >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, yes, I'm "still" using MX 4.2 since installing >>>> it about 2 weeks ago... :-) >>>> >>>> (I have been using the 3.x version(s) about 15 yrs ago, >>>> but that's another story.) >>>> >>>> I'd be intrerested in your changes. >>> http://toyvax.glendale.ca.us/www/mx_spam.html >>> -- Vance >>> >> >> OK, fine. >> I have also fetched the 6.0 kit, so we'll see which way I'll go. >> Thanks anyway ! > > I wonder if there is any difference between 5.4 and 6.0? > >> >> Jan-Erik. >> > > > The 6.0 rel-notes mentions two "changes" from 5.4, it's freeware and there are no supplied VAX build scripts. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:42:55 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: SYS$OUTPUT vs PIPE Message-ID: <47b5c136$0$14043$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> VMS , Alpha 8.3 $DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT TEMP.TXT $DIG @ns.chocolate.com chocolate.com axfr The output is still displayed on the terminal. But... $PIPE DIG @ns.chocolate.com chocolate.com axfr > temp.txt The output goes to temp.txt The HELP text for PIPE mentions redirection of SYS$OUTPUT. This isn't the end of the world, but I am curious on why the output of a simple unix utility most likely written in C wouldn't be caught by the DEFINE/USER but would be caught by the PIPE ? (Programs I write in C have no problems working with the DEFINE/USER of SYS$OUTPUT). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:53:19 -0500 From: "Jilly" Subject: Re: SYS$OUTPUT vs PIPE Message-ID: <47b5c451$0$21969$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:47b5c136$0$14043$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > VMS , Alpha 8.3 > > $DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT TEMP.TXT > $DIG @ns.chocolate.com chocolate.com axfr > > The output is still displayed on the terminal. > > But... > > > $PIPE DIG @ns.chocolate.com chocolate.com axfr > temp.txt > > The output goes to temp.txt > > The HELP text for PIPE mentions redirection of SYS$OUTPUT. > > > > This isn't the end of the world, but I am curious on why the output of a > simple unix utility most likely written in C wouldn't be caught by the > DEFINE/USER but would be caught by the PIPE ? > > > (Programs I write in C have no problems working with the DEFINE/USER of > SYS$OUTPUT). > WAG - DIG is figuring out what the terminal is and doing it's IO to that thus in the 1st case the terminal is your screen and the 2nd since PIPE is SPAWNing the DIG the terminal is a mailbox. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:56:48 +0100 From: Albrecht Schlosser Subject: Re: SYS$OUTPUT vs PIPE Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > VMS , Alpha 8.3 > > $DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT TEMP.TXT > $DIG @ns.chocolate.com chocolate.com axfr > > The output is still displayed on the terminal. > > But... > > > $PIPE DIG @ns.chocolate.com chocolate.com axfr > temp.txt > > The output goes to temp.txt > > The HELP text for PIPE mentions redirection of SYS$OUTPUT. > > > > This isn't the end of the world, but I am curious on why the output of a > simple unix utility most likely written in C wouldn't be caught by the > DEFINE/USER but would be caught by the PIPE ? Two guesses: 1. The output goes to sys$error instead of sys$output. Did you try to def/user sys$error? (or even sys$input?) 2. DIG is a symbol that calls a command procedure that executes more than one image. Did you also try define sys$output ... without "/user" ? Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:10:22 +0100 From: Albrecht Schlosser Subject: Re: SYS$OUTPUT vs PIPE Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > VMS , Alpha 8.3 > > $DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT TEMP.TXT > $DIG @ns.chocolate.com chocolate.com axfr > > The output is still displayed on the terminal. > > But... > > > $PIPE DIG @ns.chocolate.com chocolate.com axfr > temp.txt > > The output goes to temp.txt > > The HELP text for PIPE mentions redirection of SYS$OUTPUT. work as expected for me on: $ ucx sho vers HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.5 - ECO 1 on an HP rx1620 (1.30GHz/3.0MB) running OpenVMS V8.2-1 $ sho sym dig DIG == "$SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$DIG.EXE" Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:00:13 +1100 From: Gremlin Subject: Re: The "World's First" MicroVAX II Museum is now Open Message-ID: <13ravmddt4bs1ef@corp.supernews.com> Hi Andrew Haven't seen your name in print (or you IRL) since the heady DECUS days....... Milton Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart wrote: > Greetings Alon, > >> After more than a year, which should have taken less than three weeks, >> the MicroVAX II museum (or better referred to as "shrine", due to its >> size) is now open. > [cut] > > Congratulations from the bloke who helped "force feed" > your MicroVAX II obsession in Melbourne, Australia. > > I'm trying to clean up my factory, AKA the VAX/PDP-11 "dungeon", > by trying to give away the boxes of ancient IBM PC s/w I collected > many moons ago. Next target is the ancient IBM PC compatible h/w. > > Hopefully the Grandmas are not spoiling Ori and sibling too much. > (can't pop your wife's name off the top of my memory stack!) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:58:43 -0800 (PST) From: Louis Schneider Subject: Re: Urgently need VAX UCX V4.2 Message-ID: On Feb 14, 10:53=A0am, "mb...@hotmail.com" wrote: > It would appear that the "old" australian site, doesn't give you the > full kit. What I urgently need is v4.2 so that I apply this patch, > Could anyone e-mail the kit? please please please! > I have the following files on my MicroVAX. You may contact me for access. ----------------------------------------- Directory DISK$LASVEGAS:[UCX042.VAXBINSEP011_ROOT] UCXA042.DIR;1 1/70 14-FEB-2008 23:11:02.40 (RE,RE,RE,RE) Total of 1 file, 1/70 blocks. Directory DISK$LASVEGAS: [UCX042.VAXBINSEP011_ROOT.UCXA042.DOCUMENTATION] UCXA042_COVER.PS;1 76/140 13-OCT-1997 16:04:33.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) UCXA042_COVER.TXT;1 6/70 13-OCT-1997 16:04:46.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) UCXA042_IGUIDE.PS;1 529/560 13-OCT-1997 16:02:46.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) UCXA042_IGUIDE.TXT;1 259/280 13-OCT-1997 16:03:20.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) UCXA042_SPD.PS;1 219/280 13-OCT-1997 16:04:08.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) UCXA042_SPD.TXT;1 61/70 7-JAN-1998 15:33:44.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) Total of 6 files, 1150/1400 blocks. Directory DISK$LASVEGAS:[UCX042.VAXBINSEP011_ROOT.UCXA042.KIT] UCX042.A;1 1944/1960 20-NOV-1997 13:30:01.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) UCX042.B;1 9558/9590 20-NOV-1997 13:32:47.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) UCX042.C;1 3960/3990 20-NOV-1997 13:46:00.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) UCX042.D;1 5004/5040 20-NOV-1997 13:51:30.00 (RE,RE,RE,RE) Total of 4 files, 20466/20580 blocks. Grand total of 3 directories, 11 files, 21617/22050 blocks. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.092 ************************