INFO-VAX Wed, 12 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 679 Contents: Re: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Re: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child RAD_SUPPORT on a non-Galaxy GS1280? Re: RAD_SUPPORT on a non-Galaxy GS1280? Re: RAD_SUPPORT on a non-Galaxy GS1280? Re: RAD_SUPPORT on a non-Galaxy GS1280? Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Re: Unix for VMS guys Re: VMS like search utility for Windows ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: urbancamo Subject: Re: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Message-ID: Congratulations! Two questions: 1. Can you do X-Window port forwarding with this version of SSH? 2. Can you post a binary package for OpenVMS VAX? Thanks, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:23:50 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Message-ID: In article , cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes: >I last built ANU-NEWS (V6.2.0) on Alpha with Multinet under VMS V7.1. >Your best bet is to compile it directly against Multinet. This produced more errors than the compile against UCX. >That is what I did. Here I get: $ cc/nodebug/opt NEWSREMCLIENT u_long s_addr; ...............^ %CC-E-BADMEMBER, Invalid member declaration. at line number 70 in file MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET.INCLUDE.NETINET]IN.H;8 __in_addr_t htonl (__in_addr_t); ................^ %CC-E-NOTCOMPAT, In this declaration, the type of "multinet_htonl" is not compat ible with the type of a previous declaration of "multinet_htonl" at line number 296 in file MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET.INCLUDE.SYS]SOCKET.H;9. at line number 375 in module IN of text library SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.T LB;1 __in_addr_t ntohl (__in_addr_t); ................^ %CC-E-NOTCOMPAT, In this declaration, the type of "multinet_ntohl" is not compat ible with the type of a previous declaration of "multinet_ntohl" at line number 297 in file MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET.INCLUDE.SYS]SOCKET.H;9. at line number 377 in module IN of text library SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.T LB;1 struct in_addr { ^ %CC-E-REDEFSTRUCT, In this declaration, the struct "in_addr" is redefined. at line number 69 in file MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET.INCLUDE.NETINET]IN.H;8 struct sockaddr_in { ^ %CC-E-REDEFSTRUCT, In this declaration, the struct "sockaddr_in" is redefined. at line number 120 in file MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET.INCLUDE.NETINET]IN.H;8 struct ip_mreq { ^ %CC-E-REDEFSTRUCT, In this declaration, the struct "ip_mreq" is redefined. at line number 144 in file MULTINET_COMMON_ROOT:[MULTINET.INCLUDE.NETINET]IN.H;8 >If you plan to use it against an NNTP server with a large number of >groups (e.g. 18,000), you will need a patch which I can provide. No, I have only a few groups but no working server anymore :-( Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 07 16:24:53 EST From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: Compiling ANU-NEWS on Alpha? Message-ID: In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > what is necessary to get ANU-NEWS compiled on an Alpha under OpenVMS 7.3-2 > for Multinet? I assume it is best to compile it for TCPIP services and use > Multinet's UCX emulation. But with NNTP_XMIT I get lots of "undefined" errors > of the form "INET$something is not declared". Thus, has anybody succeeded in > compiling this old software? I did some looking around and found this: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-News: wvnvms news.software.anu-news:212 From: sloane@UKANS.EDU (Sloane, Robert Raymond) Subject: V6.2.1 available Date: 7 Feb 00 22:36:24 GMT Message-ID: <5823BD992D67D3119F630008C7CF50FC09C4FB@skylark.mail.ukans.edu> Hi All, I am sorry this took so long, but I have put together a new version of ANU news (V6.2.1) which corrects the Y2K problems seen in V6.2.0. It is available via anonymous ftp from kuhub.cc.ukans.edu. There are still some problems to be worked out. The TCPIP code will not compile on this version when using the MULTINET protocol because of problems in the Multinet header files. If you run MULTINET, you can build NEWS.EXE using UCXSOCKETS and it seems to work OK. The two programs NNTP_XMIT and NNTP_XFER will not compile correctly under UCXSOCKETS, so for you MULTINET users, use the .EXE files from the NEWS_V621_DIST.ZIP file. You can avoid the stopping the NEWSBUILD procedure for UCXSOCKETS by creating dummy NNTP_XMIT.OBJ and NNTP_XFER.EXE files in the appropriate directories after unpacking the .ZIP file but before running NEWSBUILD. Just do something like: $ SET DEFAULT [.NEWS_SRC] $ COPY NL: [-.NEWS_BUILD]NNTP_XFER.OBJ $ COPY NL: [-.NEWS_DIST]NNTP_XMIT.OBJ $ COPY NL: [-.NEWS_BUILD]NNTP_XFER.EXE $ COPY NL: [-.NEWS_DIST]NNTP_XMIT.EXE and NEWSBUILD should think that they are already up to date. -- Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045 sloane@ukans.edu http://www.ukans.edu/home/sloane Phone:(785)864-0444 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you just want the news client, then you don't need NNTP_XMIT or NNTP_XFER. George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2007 14:49:31 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: In article <13ltfkgjv4vqbe@news.supernews.com>, "David Turner, Island Computers" writes: > I wonder how long it will be before we see stolen OLPC laptops on Ebay!?!? They do not have to be stolen. You can buy them so long as you also pay for one to be sent abroad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:09:58 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: <210ee7ce-e823-4db8-a7fe-0829271ff132@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com> On Dec 10, 9:32 pm, AEF wrote: > On Dec 10, 7:16 pm, Michael Kraemer wrote: > > > > > JF Mezei schrieb: > > > > A properly written page will display its contents in a readable form on > > > ANY, I repeat : **ANY** browser. > > > > This was the goal of HTML from the start. > > > most people know that, but few people care, it seems. > > > > Mosaic does a very good job of displaying HTML stuff. It is also very > > > fast and doesn't leak memory like Mozilla which sinks a huge pgflquota > > > in no time. > > > > Mosaic lacks Javascript, style sheets (some sites use this to make > > > layers visible/invible to simulate pull down menus) and iframes (not > > > 100% sure about last one, Mr cook may have implented it). > > > > Obviously, it lacks all plugs ins, but so does Mozilla on VMS. > > > > But it is still the safest way to navigate the web. Even Mozilla on VMS > > > sometimes attempts to delete files in system directories. > > > that's all nice and well, but let's come back to the original > > goal of supplying children with Mosaic browsers. > > After having solved the problem of electricity supply > > IIRC, the laptops can be crank-charged and a charge last for 12 hours > or more. > > > for their laptops they will demand the same cool stuff > > as all the other teenies in the world: > > visiting cool sites (requiring JavaScript, flash plugins, etc), > > listening to web radio and watching youtube videos. > > Did you see the 60 minutes story on this? > Yes, and the video of the segment is on-line. For those without Javascript enabled and/or no Adobe Flash plug-in or who don't want to sit through a 30 second commercial first, the full text is also here: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: <6ac1571a-4145-4ac4-8e7d-fc89c72b6e64@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com> On Dec 10, 3:38 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article > <7c16e6f4-35f6-44d8-8503-5765d580b...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, AEF > > writes: > > Did you see the piece about this on "60 Minutes"? > > No. > > > I heard a broadcast > > of it on the radio and the point was that with this project, > > attendance at schools in the Third World is way, way up because of > > this laptop project. I well understand that much learning must be done > > without computers, but at least this is getting the kids to go to > > school. So I think the point is not that the kids have a laptop -- the > > point is that the laptop gets the kids to go to school. > > That might be true, but I doubt that that is the motivation for those > behind the project. Considering the cost, I'm sure that one could spend > the equivalent on almost anything else and get the children to school > with that as bait. Like what? Soda? Candy? Just what they need. Can you give us at least *some* idea of the horrors that will result from this? >----o----< Well, here's the actual story. Unfortunately, it is lacking in details on just exactly what do the kids do or get to do on the laptops: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/20/60minutes/main2830058.shtml AEF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:33:30 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2:21 pm, AEF wrote: > On Dec 10, 3:38 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- > remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > > > > > In article > > <7c16e6f4-35f6-44d8-8503-5765d580b...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, AEF > > > writes: > > > Did you see the piece about this on "60 Minutes"? > > > No. > > > > I heard a broadcast > > > of it on the radio and the point was that with this project, > > > attendance at schools in the Third World is way, way up because of > > > this laptop project. I well understand that much learning must be done > > > without computers, but at least this is getting the kids to go to > > > school. So I think the point is not that the kids have a laptop -- the > > > point is that the laptop gets the kids to go to school. > > > That might be true, but I doubt that that is the motivation for those > > behind the project. Considering the cost, I'm sure that one could spend > > the equivalent on almost anything else and get the children to school > > with that as bait. > > Like what? Soda? Candy? Just what they need. > > Can you give us at least *some* idea of the horrors that will result > from this? > > >----o----< > > Well, here's the actual story. Unfortunately, it is lacking in details > on just exactly what do the kids do or get to do on the laptops: > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/20/60minutes/main2830058.shtml > Follow the links at: and ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:59:31 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > What bothers me the most is the emphasis on the laptop. A better > approach would be public web access. In the west, the emphasis is on the commercial aspect of the laptop (who builds it, what technology there is, how much it costs). But out there, it is what you can do with it that matters. And in a town without landline phones, they can deploy internet access via wireless (those laptops are equipped with wireless). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:23:17 -0800 (PST) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: RAD_SUPPORT on a non-Galaxy GS1280? Message-ID: Note: this message also posted to ITRC... I've inherited a 4-node VMScluster consisting of a pair of GS1280's hard-partitioned into 2 nodes each, running VMS 7.3-2. We are not running in a Galaxy configuration and don't have a Galaxy license loaded. We're no more than 6 months out of date on ECOs. In going through a series of Autogen's in preparation for a cluster reboot this weekend, I discovered that the SYSGEN parameter RAD_SUPPORT changed from 0 (zero) to 207 (%x00CF). Having not previously encountered this parameter before, I reviewed the Help Sys_Parameters for RAD_SUPPORT, and would like to know a couple of things: 1) The Help entry says a value of 79 is the default, but SYSGEN shows the default as 207, which is basically setting bit 7, marked as reserved to HP. Does anyone know why this would be a problem? 2) More importantly, what is the effect of a non-zero RAD_SUPPORT on systems that aren't configured as a Galaxy? In particular, is it a "bad" thing to have this set to the SYSGEN default? Do we stand to gain in performance with the default? Any advise or insights would be most welcome! Thanks, Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:54:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: RAD_SUPPORT on a non-Galaxy GS1280? Message-ID: On ITRC, the answer was to leave RAD_SUPPORT at its default value and not worry about it. Furthermore, apparently GS1280's (EV7) are far less sensitive to RAD/NUMA issues than the earlier Wildfire (EV6) systems were, and having RAD_SUPPORT enabled or not probably isn't noticeable. Being new to this class of machine, I'm taking the (expert) responders at their word. :-) Thanks, Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: sean@obanion.us Subject: Re: RAD_SUPPORT on a non-Galaxy GS1280? Message-ID: <3d5fdf95-fbfe-4ed8-b1c3-9258769e3315@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Just to make sure everybody knows how ignorant I am: How is an AS1280 partitioned without galaxy? I did some of this on AS8400s. I can imagine simply seeting the console galaxy parameters but leave the sysgen parameter alone... Sean On Dec 11, 2:54 pm, Ken.Fairfi...@gmail.com wrote: > On ITRC, the answer was to leave RAD_SUPPORT at its default > value and not worry about it. Furthermore, apparently GS1280's > (EV7) are far less sensitive to RAD/NUMA issues than the > earlier Wildfire (EV6) systems were, and having RAD_SUPPORT > enabled or not probably isn't noticeable. > > Being new to this class of machine, I'm taking the (expert) > responders at their word. :-) > > Thanks, Ken > -- > Ken & Ann Fairfield > What: Ken dot And dot Ann > Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:38:23 GMT From: "Colin Butcher" Subject: Re: RAD_SUPPORT on a non-Galaxy GS1280? Message-ID: <34G7j.61558$c_1.15451@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> You can partition a 1280 with just hard partitions without any shared memory and without the ability to swap CPUs around. It behaves just as if it were two (or more) separate boxes, but in a common physical package with common power. Just like hard partitioning an Integrity Server box in a way. Galaxy (an Alpha only feature that needs firmware help from the underlying physical box) gives the ability to have common memory (typically used for global sections, DECram devices, shared-memory cluster interconnect [a pseudo-LAN device] etc.) and the ability to dynamically reassign CPUs between soft partitions within the hard partition. Each OS instance within the "Galaxy" runs in a soft partition annd the instances are generally clustered together (but don't have to be). As for the GS1280 and RADs - don't worry about it. The NUMA effects on a Marvel system aren't worth the effort of worrying about them - the memory latency across the box doesn't vary too much, unlike the Wildfire boxes where it does matter - if that's the kind of workload you've got. -- Cheers, Colin. Legacy = Stuff that works properly! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com Subject: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: <4b1a79c5-c94a-4927-a8c4-f1eedf447ca7@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Hi: Can You show me a simple procedure to remove all blank lines in a file ? Thank You in advance... ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2007 14:56:22 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: In article <4b1a79c5-c94a-4927-a8c4-f1eedf447ca7@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, apogeusistemas@gmail.com writes: > Can You show me a simple procedure to remove all blank lines in a > file ? $ EDIT/TECO file.ext ex$$ where all but the first "$" are the Escape character. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:12:49 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: <475EFD51.7070706@comcast.net> apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote: > Hi: > Can You show me a simple procedure to remove all blank lines in a > file ? > Thank You in advance... I'll write one if you pay me! It's cheaper to do your own homework and you'll learn more!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:08:02 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > I'll write one if you pay me! It's cheaper to do your own homework and > you'll learn more!!!!! Watch out for that newfangled thing called open source, it can ruin your revenu source ! $OPEN/read input myfile.txt $OPEN/write output yourfile.txt $! $LOOP: $ READ/END=ENDLOOP input buffer $ test = F$EDIT(buffer,"COLLAPSE") ! removes all spaces/tabs $ IF test .eqs. "" then goto LOOP $ write output buffer $ goto loop: $! $endloop: $close input $close output $write sys$output "Done" $exit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: apogeusistemas@gmail.com Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: <057e3e22-b05a-43a0-8d0d-0f399f6acf96@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On 11 dez, 20:08, JF Mezei wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > I'll write one if you pay me! It's cheaper to do your own homework and > > you'll learn more!!!!! > > Watch out for that newfangled thing called open source, it can ruin your > revenu source ! > > $OPEN/read input myfile.txt > $OPEN/write output yourfile.txt > $! > $LOOP: > $ READ/END=ENDLOOP input buffer > $ test = F$EDIT(buffer,"COLLAPSE") ! removes all spaces/tabs > $ IF test .eqs. "" then goto LOOP > $ write output buffer > $ goto loop: > $! > $endloop: > $close input > $close output > $write sys$output "Done" > $exit Thank You so much for your help... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: qawest Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: <594ee2ec-7b1e-43e5-96ab-f980c8a868aa@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> $ type fred.txt line 1 Line 2 Line 3 Line 4 Line 5 Line 6 Line 7 Line 8 Line 9 Last $ search fred.txt "" /out=fredless.txt/log %SEARCH-S-MATCHED, FRED.TXT;1 - 15 records, 10 matches $ ty fredless.txt line 1 Line 2 Line 3 Line 4 Line 5 Line 6 Line 7 Line 8 Line 9 Last $ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:37:38 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Removing blank lines in a file... Message-ID: <13407e03-95f3-476f-b2f7-6d36e8d2b056@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Yeah.. really can't figure that out? Anyway, just to be cute... How about a truly minimalistic awk program: $ gawk "length" file.dat This executes the length function on the default input line $0 and take the default action to print $0 if true ( != 0) If you also want to get rid of lines with just spaces or tabs, change to the even shorter: $ gawk "NF" file.dat That NF is a symbol representing the number of 'fields' on the default input line, if true, take default action: print! A more explicit way to write that: $ gawk "/[^ \t]/" file.dat /out=stripped.dat This uses a regular expresion to look for a string which contains characters NOT (^) in the character set space and tab ([ \t]) In Perl that could be $ perl -ne "print if /\S/" file.dat in perl regexpr's the \s means 'whitespace', and \S means NOT whitespace The test for an empty line in perl seems to be handicapped with the new-line or not. This works for me: $ perl -lne "print if length" file.dat > stripped.dat grins, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2007 18:36:59 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Unix for VMS guys Message-ID: In article <5s59euF177g2rU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Well, I just tried it with RedHat and FreeBSD (I am downloading the iso > for Centos 4.5 now and in a few hours I can try that too) and it didn't > work for either of them. It did exactly as would be expected. I used > vi to add the user wfg to the end of the file. In both cases because the > user does not appear in the shadow/master.passwd file it does not exist > and the passwd can't give it a password. UNIX is the portable operating system that's different on every box. Implementations of shadow passwords vary tremendously from one UNIX to the next, even from the same vendor. What doesn't work on RedHat and FreeBSD might work on some other. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:56:39 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: VMS like search utility for Windows Message-ID: <475F4DE7.94EFE0C6@spam.comcast.net> "P. Sture" wrote: > > In article , VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG > wrote: > > > Try this and post back: > > > > $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$message(%X34B4)'" > > LOL! From V7.3-2: DJAS02::DDACHTERA$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$message(%X34B4)'" %SYSTEM-F-NOMSG, Message number 000034B4 From V7.2-2: DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "''F$message(%X34B4)'" %SYSTEM-F-NOMSG, Message number 000034B4 David J Dachtera DJE Systems ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.679 ************************