INFO-VAX Sat, 08 Sep 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 489 Contents: DECServer 700 help Re: DECServer 700 help Re: DECServer 700 help Re: DECServer 700 help Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) I think I might understand N3 and the bullet Re: Minimal Cluster Requirements Stuck at a console Re: Stuck at a console Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:11:26 -0500 From: bakermo Subject: DECServer 700 help Message-ID: OK - it's been a while since I worked with a DECServer 700 so I wonder if anyone can please give me some advice and/or help? I am trying to configure a reverse LAT port from an Alpha GS140 to a DECServer 700. I have a 4800 baud clock signal that will go into the DECServer on port 7 and have VMS get the signal on LTA7. The clock is ansi characters in the format: 203:00:00:02B I have looked at this signal on a VT320 on a crash cart and it is OK. (4800 baud, XON, 1 stop bit, noparity). The cable is connected via a null modem into port 7 of the DS700. Here's how the server port is configured: Port 7: (Remote) Server: RAQ1TS Character Size: 8 Input Speed: 4800 Flow Control: XON Output Speed: 4800 Parity: None Signal Control: Disabled Stop Bits: Dynamic Signal Select: CTS-DSR-RTS-DTR Access: Remote Local Switch: None Backwards Switch: None Name: PORT_7 Break: Local Session Limit: 4 Forwards Switch: None Type: Ansi Default Protocol: LAT Default Menu: None Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10 Dialer Script: None Preferred Service: None Authorized Groups: 0-255 (Current) Groups: 0-255 Enabled Characteristics: ========================================================== Here's the VMS LAT port: Local Port Name: _LTA7: Local Port Type: Application (Queued) Local Port State: Active Connected Link: TSLINK Target Port Name: PORT_7 Actual Port Name: PORT_7 Target Node Name: RAQ1TS Actual Node Name: RAQ1TS Target Service Name: Actual Service Name: ========================================================= Here's the VMS LTA7 terminal: Terminal: _LTA7: Device_Type: Unknown Owner: NAME Username: USER Input: 4800 LFfill: 0 Width: 132 Parity: None Output: 4800 CRfill: 0 Page: 64 Terminal Characteristics: Passall No Echo No Typeahead No Escape No Hostsync No TTsync Uppercase No Tab No Wrap Hardcopy No Remote Eightbit No Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup No Modem No Local_echo No Autobaud No Hangup No Brdcstmbx No DMA Altypeahd Set_speed No Commsync No Line Editing Overstrike editing No Fallback No Dialup No Secure server No Disconnect Pasthru No Syspassword No SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters No Printer Port Numeric Keypad No ANSI_CRT No Regis No Block_mode No Advanced_video No Edit_mode No DEC_CRT No DEC_CRT2 No DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4 No DEC_CRT5 No Ansi_Color VMS Style Input ======================================================== A set host/dte LTA7 will show either nothing or sometime a buch of characters that seem to be a baud rate mismatch. Here's what the program is getting for the input: Fmterr :OEOO˘ Fmterr :OEOOŞ Fmterr :OEOO² Fmterr :OEOOş Fmterr :OEOOA Fmterr :OEOOE Fmterr :OEOO Fmterr :OEOO Fmterr :EOO Fmterr :EOO Fmterr :EOO˘ ======================================================================== Here's what it should look like: date= 7-SEP-2007 00:00:02.91 ,len= 23 date= 7-SEP-2007 03:59:36.00 ,len= 23 date= 7-SEP-2007 18:13:53.00 ,len= 23 ======================================================================== The example from a running program is from another server that is working except it is via a DS900. No - I don't have access to anything but the DS700 and the other server is across the country in another datacenter. I copied its port and terminal characteristics with three exceptions. 1. The working system has NOAltypeahd on its terminal and I have no idea how to set that on mine. 2. The DS900 has no Signal Select: CTS-DSR-RTS-DTR setting 3. The DS900 has no Autolink Timer One:10 Two:10 setting I have three systems that are all configured the same (all with DS700's) and none work. I would think that eliminates a hardware error. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! bakermo bakermo@swbell.net.yourpants email replies remove .yourpants ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:26:00 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: DECServer 700 help Message-ID: <46E1CFF8.7010006@comcast.net> bakermo wrote: > OK - it's been a while since I worked with a DECServer 700 so I wonder > if anyone can please give me some advice and/or help? > > I am trying to configure a reverse LAT port from an Alpha GS140 to a > DECServer 700. I have a 4800 baud clock signal that will go into the > DECServer on port 7 and have VMS get the signal on LTA7. > > The clock is ansi characters in the format: > > 203:00:00:02B > > I have looked at this signal on a VT320 on a crash cart and it is OK. > (4800 baud, XON, 1 stop bit, noparity). The cable is connected via a > null modem into port 7 of the DS700. > > Here's how the server port is configured: > The example from a running program is from another server that is > working except it is via a DS900. No - I don't have access to anything > but the DS700 and the other server is across the country in another > datacenter. > > I copied its port and terminal characteristics with three exceptions. > > 1. The working system has NOAltypeahd on its terminal and I have no > idea how to set that on mine. > $ SET TERMINAL /NOALTYPEAHD LTAnnn: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:49:13 GMT From: bakermo Subject: Re: DECServer 700 help Message-ID: On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:26:00 -0400, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: >bakermo wrote: >> OK - it's been a while since I worked with a DECServer 700 so I wonder >> if anyone can please give me some advice and/or help? >> >> I am trying to configure a reverse LAT port from an Alpha GS140 to a >> DECServer 700. I have a 4800 baud clock signal that will go into the >> DECServer on port 7 and have VMS get the signal on LTA7. >> >> The clock is ansi characters in the format: >> >> 203:00:00:02B >> >> I have looked at this signal on a VT320 on a crash cart and it is OK. >> (4800 baud, XON, 1 stop bit, noparity). The cable is connected via a >> null modem into port 7 of the DS700. >> >> Here's how the server port is configured: > >> The example from a running program is from another server that is >> working except it is via a DS900. No - I don't have access to anything >> but the DS700 and the other server is across the country in another >> datacenter. >> >> I copied its port and terminal characteristics with three exceptions. >> >> 1. The working system has NOAltypeahd on its terminal and I have no >> idea how to set that on mine. >> > >$ SET TERMINAL /NOALTYPEAHD LTAnnn: If you look in the DCL dictionary you will see there is no such qualifier. bakermo bakermo@swbell.net.yourpants email replies remove .yourpants ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:02:32 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: DECServer 700 help Message-ID: <46E1F4A8.7090600@comcast.net> bakermo wrote: > On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:26:00 -0400, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: > > >>bakermo wrote: >> >>>OK - it's been a while since I worked with a DECServer 700 so I wonder >>>if anyone can please give me some advice and/or help? >>> >>>I am trying to configure a reverse LAT port from an Alpha GS140 to a >>>DECServer 700. I have a 4800 baud clock signal that will go into the >>>DECServer on port 7 and have VMS get the signal on LTA7. >>> >>>The clock is ansi characters in the format: >>> >>>203:00:00:02B >>> >>>I have looked at this signal on a VT320 on a crash cart and it is OK. >>>(4800 baud, XON, 1 stop bit, noparity). The cable is connected via a >>>null modem into port 7 of the DS700. >>> >>>Here's how the server port is configured: >> >> >> >>>The example from a running program is from another server that is >>>working except it is via a DS900. No - I don't have access to anything >>>but the DS700 and the other server is across the country in another >>>datacenter. >>> >>>I copied its port and terminal characteristics with three exceptions. >>> >>>1. The working system has NOAltypeahd on its terminal and I have no >>>idea how to set that on mine. >>> >> >>$ SET TERMINAL /NOALTYPEAHD LTAnnn: > > > If you look in the DCL dictionary you will see there is no such > qualifier. > My bad! It appears that once ALTYPEAHD has been set, there is no way to turn it off short of logging off and on again. If there WERE a way to turn it off, it would be /NOALTYPEAHD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:42:12 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Message-ID: On 09/07/07 09:35, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , JF Mezei writes: >> Yes, we'd be amazed at their technology, but we would know it was >> technology. > > One possible explanation for both religious experiences of the > past and UFO sightings since shows that much of our society has > changed in its reaction to unexplainable phenomena. > > If someone resurected Lazarus today, we'd assume they knew something > about medicine that we don't. But wouldn't explain why They would come *here*. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:58:27 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Message-ID: On 09/07/07 09:30, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <...>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: >> I see, like the climate models then ... ? > > Climate models are climate models. Global warming is measured fact. > The theories that go into the climate models are not readily testable, > but some of thier predictions have been measured and found true. > > Which leads credibility to the models and the notion that some of the Which still is /argument by authority/. Many in the AGW (anthropomorphic global warming) fall for this form of logical fallacy. Which is not to say it's not true... > more dire predictions ought to be of concern. By the time we can > prove them it may be too late. If we eventually disprove them we > may have lost some economic growth dealing with them, but probably > not our planet. And that leads to the question of how to deal with it. /Kyoto/ let China and India totally off the hook, and they (especially China) are *big* polluters. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=17039 -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:33:58 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Message-ID: On 09/07/07 09:25, Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <...>, JF Mezei writes: > >> Everything reacts >> according to some logic. "Random" simply means that we have not yet >> mastered the understanding of what moves a particle to the left instead >> of the right. > > 1) Faith never responds fully to logic, and I think that's how > this thread got here. So I won't ask that anyone's god follow logic > or the laws of physics. > > 2) The laws of physics do not say "we can't do this now", they say > "this CANNOT be done". There are testable consequences of that > statement beyond inability to make certain measurements and experiments > have shown them to be true. For the past 20 years, I've heard "experts" bemoan the coming end of the semiconductor era. "Physics just won't let us make transistors any smaller!!!!" And then someone figures out a way to make smaller transistors. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:27:43 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Message-ID: <1189200463.442187.42840@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> Ron Johnson wrote: >On 09/07/07 10:08, Doug Phillips wrote: >> On Sep 7, 7:40 am, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> Guns use chemically unstable materials to "[produce] a sudden >>> expansion of the material usually accompanied by the production of >>> heat and large changes in pressure (and typically also a flash >>> and/or loud noise) upon initiation; this is called the explosion.] >>> >>> The gas expanding in the confined area of the barrel "blows" the >>> projectile out the barrel like a breeze blows a leaf, or a person >>> blows a feather with his breath. >>> >>> OTOH, rockets "[obtain] thrust by the reaction to the ejection of >>> fast moving fluid from within a rocket engine." >>> >>> However... the gun's recoil is an expression of Newton's 3rd. >>> >> Newton's third law: "For every action there is an equal an opposite >> reaction." >> >> You have described actions -- chemicals exploding, gas expanding, >> breeze and breath blowing -- and named the reactions to those actions. >> Where is the law not applicable in any of your examples? > How is "breeze pushing a leaf" an opposite reaction? A more precise statement of the third law can be found there: "LAW III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts. - Whatever draws or presses another is as much drawn or pressed by that other. If you press a stone with your finger, the finger is also pressed by the stone. If a horse draws a stone tied to a rope, the horse (if I may so say) will be equally drawn back towards the stone: for the distended rope, by the same endeavour to relax or unbend itself, will draw the horse as much towards the stone, as it does the stone towards the horse, and will obstruct the progress of the one as much as it advances that of the other. If a body impinge upon another, and by its force change the motion of the other, that body also (because of the equality of the mutual pressure) will undergo an equal change, in its own motion, toward the contrary part. The changes made by these actions are equal, not in the velocities but in the motions of the bodies; that is to say, if the bodies are not hindered by any other impediments. For, because the motions are equally changed, the changes of the velocities made toward contrary parts are reciprocally proportional to the bodies. This law takes place also in attractions, as will be proved in the next scholium." Hope that helps. (For some reason, your post shows up in google groups but is not accessible. So, I've copied it from elsewhere and replied to my post.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:48:41 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Message-ID: <1189201721.731766.237750@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Sep 7, 2:58 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 09/07/07 09:30, Bob Koehler wrote: > > > In article <...>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: > >> I see, like the climate models then ... ? > > > Climate models are climate models. Global warming is measured fact. > > The theories that go into the climate models are not readily testable, > > but some of thier predictions have been measured and found true. > > > Which leads credibility to the models and the notion that some of the > > Which still is /argument by authority/. Many in the AGW > (anthropomorphic global warming) fall for this form of logical fallacy. Anthropomorphic Global Warming: The earth has an infection which is causing a fever. Anthropogenic Global Warming: Mankind is the infection. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:22:27 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Message-ID: <1189203747.959136.325280@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> On Sep 7, 5:10 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 09/07/07 16:48, Doug Phillips wrote: > > > On Sep 7, 2:58 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 09/07/07 09:30, Bob Koehler wrote: > > >>> In article <...>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: > >>>> I see, like the climate models then ... ? > >>> Climate models are climate models. Global warming is measured fact. > >>> The theories that go into the climate models are not readily testable, > >>> but some of thier predictions have been measured and found true. > >>> Which leads credibility to the models and the notion that some of the > >> Which still is /argument by authority/. Many in the AGW > >> (anthropomorphic global warming) fall for this form of logical fallacy. > > > Anthropomorphic Global Warming: The earth has an infection which is > > causing a fever. > > ??? > > Anthro- man > morph - change > Wiki: "Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human characteristics and qualities to nonhuman beings, inanimate objects, or natural or supernatural phenomena. ..." > I was still wrong, though. It is Anthropogenic. > > > Anthropogenic Global Warming: Mankind is the infection. ;-) > I hoped you'd take as humorous. Far be it from me to ever criticize anyone for a typo -- if I ever get through a day without making a mistake, it'll be because haven't done anything (which could be a mistake, so make that: it'll be because I'm dead;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:27:17 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Message-ID: <1189207637.938725.101660@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Sep 7, 5:23 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 09/07/07 16:27, Doug Phillips wrote: > > > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 09/07/07 10:08, Doug Phillips wrote: > >>> On Sep 7, 7:40 am, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>>> Guns use chemically unstable materials to "[produce] a sudden > >>>> expansion of the material usually accompanied by the production of > >>>> heat and large changes in pressure (and typically also a flash > >>>> and/or loud noise) upon initiation; this is called the explosion.] > > >>>> The gas expanding in the confined area of the barrel "blows" the > >>>> projectile out the barrel like a breeze blows a leaf, or a person > >>>> blows a feather with his breath. > > >>>> OTOH, rockets "[obtain] thrust by the reaction to the ejection of > >>>> fast moving fluid from within a rocket engine." > > >>>> However... the gun's recoil is an expression of Newton's 3rd. > > >>> Newton's third law: "For every action there is an equal an opposite > >>> reaction." > > >>> You have described actions -- chemicals exploding, gas expanding, > >>> breeze and breath blowing -- and named the reactions to those actions. > >>> Where is the law not applicable in any of your examples? > > >> How is "breeze pushing a leaf" an opposite reaction? > > > > > > A more precise statement of the third law can be found there: > > > "LAW III: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: > > or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, > > and directed to contrary parts. - Whatever draws or presses another is > > as much drawn or pressed by that other. If you press a stone with your > > finger, the finger is also pressed by the stone. If a horse draws a > > stone tied to a rope, the horse (if I may so say) will be equally > > drawn back towards the stone: for the distended rope, by the same > > endeavour to relax or unbend itself, will draw the horse as much > > towards the stone, as it does the stone towards the horse, and will > > obstruct the progress of the one as much as it advances that of the > > other. If a body impinge upon another, and by its force change the > > motion of the other, that body also (because of the equality of the > > mutual pressure) will undergo an equal change, in its own motion, > > toward the contrary part. The changes made by these actions are equal, > > not in the velocities but in the motions of the bodies; that is to > > say, if the bodies are not hindered by any other impediments. For, > > because the motions are equally changed, the changes of the velocities > > made toward contrary parts are reciprocally proportional to the > > bodies. This law takes place also in attractions, as will be proved in > > the next scholium." > > > Hope that helps. > > It does. The ground pushes up against me as I walk, the table > pushes up against the book, etc. > > But it does not (yet, to me) explain the "excess" force from the > expanding gas which accelerates the projectile down the barrel. > > Another example: it is N3 that keeps a stationary rubber ball *on* > the table, but it is the "excess" force from gravity, a throwing > arm, what the ball and table are made of, etc, which causes it to > bounce back off the table. > > What am I misunderstanding? > All three of Newton's law apply to all (classical) motion: inertia, acceleration and reciprocal actions. (Note that the 3rd law applies even if actual "motion" doesn't occur because the opposing forces offset each other.) All three laws apply to what happens in a gun chamber, just as they do to you or me typing at a keyboard or walking down the street. You're right that other laws come into effect, but they don't invalidate Newton's. In a gun chamber, the force of the explosion is exerted against the "containment" and the containment resists. If the resistance isn't sufficient, the force will continue outward until it has been absorbed (accumulated resistance) to offset it. The bullet, having an "escape" will not (should not) be able to resist as much and some of the force will be transfered into motion -- but plug the barrel and the gun will likely explode if the force is too great to contain. "The changes made by these actions are equal, not in the velocities but in the motions of the bodies; that is to say, if the bodies are not hindered by any other impediments." If the gun were not allowed to recoil (the direction of which is a reaction of the bullet's motion) the forces would still interact within the entire chamber. I'm sure I've oversimplified it, and I hope I haven't misused any terms that further add to confusion. If I have, I'm pretty sure someone will jump in to chastise me and will provide you with a better explanation. Hunger and thirst now call me elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:55:19 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Here's one for Bob (hope it makes your head spin) Message-ID: On 09/07/07 17:22, Doug Phillips wrote: > On Sep 7, 5:10 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 09/07/07 16:48, Doug Phillips wrote: >> >>> On Sep 7, 2:58 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: >>>> On 09/07/07 09:30, Bob Koehler wrote: >>>>> In article <...>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: >>>>>> I see, like the climate models then ... ? >>>>> Climate models are climate models. Global warming is measured fact. >>>>> The theories that go into the climate models are not readily testable, >>>>> but some of thier predictions have been measured and found true. >>>>> Which leads credibility to the models and the notion that some of the >>>> Which still is /argument by authority/. Many in the AGW >>>> (anthropomorphic global warming) fall for this form of logical fallacy. >>> Anthropomorphic Global Warming: The earth has an infection which is >>> causing a fever. >> ??? >> >> Anthro- man >> morph - change >> > > Wiki: "Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human > characteristics and qualities to nonhuman beings, inanimate objects, > or natural or supernatural phenomena. ..." That's essentially how I learned it. "Change an X into a human." >> I was still wrong, though. It is Anthropogenic. >> >>> Anthropogenic Global Warming: Mankind is the infection. ;-) > > I hoped you'd take as humorous. Far be it from me to ever criticize > anyone for a typo -- if I ever get through a day without making a > mistake, it'll be because haven't done anything (which could be a > mistake, so make that: it'll be because I'm dead;-) > -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:14:11 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: I think I might understand N3 and the bullet Message-ID: <7soEi.41014$Pv4.10282@newsfe19.lga> Hmmm. I think just had an insight!!! As a (fast moving) gas molecule strikes the bullet, there is an N3 reaction. Bullet goes one way, gas molecule goes the other. Billions of such continuous tiny reactions: First overcome it's static inertia, then accelerate it down the barrel, imparting more and more kinetic inertia as it zooms down the barrel. As it zooms thru the fluid medium (air, usually), it strikes against other molecules. These opposing reactions are what is, in aggregate, known as friction. Am I still totally off-base? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:22:58 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Minimal Cluster Requirements Message-ID: <46E1B322.4070102@cox.net> On 09/07/07 10:16, lars1227@verizon.net wrote: > All VMS group members, > > I have a client that is running two separate Alpha 1000A VMS servers, each > with its own local set of applications and data. > These are old, non-supported Alpha servers that are being used to support > local government operations. We believe this is a RISKY thing to do, > despite the solid, reliable engineering designed into these servers. I'd try to get them to pony up for a couple of used DSxx units. > The two Alphas are not clustered. We believe the client should establish a > cluster that provides a basic level of fall-back and higher availability, in > case one of the boxes develops a serious problem that potentially could take > down public works or accounting operations. This will buy them some > time to figure out what to do next. > > Can someone out there provide an overview of the minimum steps needed to > establish a cluster with these two boxes? > Pertinent facts: > -- boxes are in separate locations about 4 miles apart > -- fibre exists between the two locations > -- both boxes are running OpenVMS 7.3 with local OS boot disks > -- the agency also runs a large Windows-based server farm for Exchange and > SQL-Server, available on the LAN; some LAN storage is used to > back up pertinent Alpha files and data > -- TCP/IP, DECnet and LAT are all running on the network > > I am familiar w/ the 1000A server; I used to run one as a hobbyist at home, > but I never had it clustered. > > Assuming these two boxes can be fibre-linked together over the WAN and are > close enough together to keep themselves alive. I also > assume the disk drives in each box can be "served" to the cluster and "seen" > by each cluster member. How are the disks attached? Directly, via HSZs, HSGs, direct SCSI, etc? > But, I'm having a hard time figuring out where to establish the quorum disk, > since all the Alpha disks are mounted in the server boxes. Do we > need a third VMS server someplace? > > Could someone please enlighten us as to how to create a basic cluster so > that these two boxes can be "true" backups for each other? > > If you would, please copy your reply to: lars1227 at verizon dot net > as well as to the rest of this group. > > Thanks. > -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:17:58 -0000 From: kiwi-red Subject: Stuck at a console Message-ID: <1189210678.901796.91420@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Hi Will typing a boot command for an AXP 4100, I accidentally hit a wrong key Now my machine I think is waiting for me to type something extra but I don't know what it is. Any suggestions? I could get the ops guys to turn the power off I guess P00>>>halt CPU 0 is halted P00>>>b -fl 3,`1 _> _> _> kiwi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:52:41 -0000 From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Stuck at a console Message-ID: <1189219961.282893.216340@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Sep 7, 8:17 pm, kiwi-red wrote: > Hi > > Will typing a boot command for an AXP 4100, I accidentally hit a wrong key > Now my machine I think is waiting for me to type something extra but I > don't know what it is. Any suggestions? Try an other, now closing, quote? > I could get the ops guys to turn the power off I guess Yeah... hit that big red button. > P00>>>halt > CPU 0 is halted > P00>>>b -fl 3,`1 > _> I've never seen it, but it looks like a continuation. The thing being continued has to be the `1 ... waiting for an other ` fwiw, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:33:21 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <1189200801.231960.86540@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue wrote: > Dear Newsgroup, > > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years. The > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option" > > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th. Let me know what > you think. > > Warm Regards, > Sue Did we already do Nothing Stops it I remember last year and Cool and unhackable from The Netherlands. I am not in the office so I can not look at them. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:40:19 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <1ce09$46e1c548$cef8887a$31489@TEKSAVVY.COM> Sue wrote: > Did we already do Nothing Stops it I remember last year and Cool and > unhackable from The Netherlands. I am not in the office so I can not > look at them. Some suggestions ( would go well in a series of licence plates: ) Sue won't let anyone stop it Curly tried to stop it Carly didn't care about it Stallard wants to stop it Livermore wants to support Stallard. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:41:47 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <46E1C59B.3060708@comcast.net> Sue wrote: > On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue wrote: > >>Dear Newsgroup, >> >>If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years. The >>last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option" >> >>I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th. Let me know what >>you think. >> >>Warm Regards, >>Sue > > > Did we already do Nothing Stops it I remember last year and Cool and > unhackable from The Netherlands. I am not in the office so I can not > look at them. > > Sue > "Nothing Stops it" is not exactly true. The Halt button will usually do the job, as will dumping power to the machine. A BUGW instruction will also stop it. How about "Two years of uptime is not unusual." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:43:00 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <1189201380.253648.320000@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Sep 7, 4:33 pm, Sue wrote: > On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue wrote: > > > Dear Newsgroup, > > > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years. The > > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option" > > > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th. Let me know what > > you think. > > > Warm Regards, > > Sue > > Did we already do Nothing Stops it I remember last year and Cool and > unhackable from The Netherlands. I am not in the office so I can not > look at them. > > Sue I thought "Cool and unhackable" was from a DEFCON a few years ago, before they decided VMS was too hard of a target and banned it ;) Nothing Stops It is the slogan on my VAX/VMS 20 year celebration bumper sticker collection. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:00:52 -0700 From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <1189202452.569181.182510@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> On Sep 7, 4:41 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Sue wrote: > > On Aug 30, 11:52 am, Sue wrote: > > >>Dear Newsgroup, > > >>If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years. The > >>last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option" > > >>I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th. Let me know what > >>you think. > > >>Warm Regards, > >>Sue > > > Did we already do Nothing Stops it I remember last year and Cool and > > unhackable from The Netherlands. I am not in the office so I can not > > look at them. > > > Sue > > "Nothing Stops it" is not exactly true. The Halt button will usually do > the job, as will dumping power to the machine. A BUGW instruction will > also stop it. > > How about "Two years of uptime is not unusual." Two year uptimes are a wee stretch of the legs! (paraphrase from "The Quiet Man") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:32:27 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: Teach (Disaster) Tolerance: Run OpenVMS Be Polite for 10 Seconds: Then Take Over OpenVMS, the HP Disaster Proof Test Winner -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:56:18 -0500 From: Brad Hamilton Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <0tidnR9sBf6vbnzbnZ2dnUVZ_oLinZ2d@comcast.com> Brad Hamilton writes: > Bob Koehler writes: > > > In article <46E14732.7060106@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > > > > > > > > VMS - Where scurity is not an add-on! > > > > > > > Gee, don't any of us have spell checkers? 8-) > > VMS - we don' need any steeeeking spell-checkers! Except for me, of course... VMS - we don' need no steeeeenking spell-checkers! ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.489 ************************