INFO-VAX Sat, 01 Sep 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 479 Contents: Re: I have to tell you this RE: MONITOR with different architectures Mozilla (was Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system) Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect RE: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect RE: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect Re: Third sunday in the month Re: Third sunday in the month Re: Third sunday in the month Re: Useful paper on Network Security, in Particular IPsec Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates RE: VMS License Plates RE: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: VMS License Plates Re: What'd you do in the war Grand-dad? (was Re: Itanium Port Question) Re: Wisconsin professor says global warming a hoax! Re: Xyplex RJ45-DB9 wiring ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:28:43 +0200 From: Marc Van Dyck Subject: Re: I have to tell you this Message-ID: AEF was thinking very hard : > On Aug 30, 8:36 pm, Sue wrote: >> Dear Newsgroup, >> >> So you probably know that I like to talk to folks. Anyway, this will >> be no big deal to you but its really cool to me. So I was talking >> (well really exchanging email) with this customer this week. He is a >> Sys Admin at a big company and he has one (1) colleague so there is >> two of them (2) and they manage 260 VMS systems. Do you know how cool >> that is. Can you imagine doing that on lesser systems? Brian and Susan >> if you are reading this you are doing an awesome job! >> >> Have a great weekend everyone. >> >> Sue > > This reminds me of the VAX that was supposedly walled up and was found > supposedly years later still running!!! Has anyone ever tracked down > the story on this? > > AEF Urban legend I think. A colleague of mine reported the same story to me a few month ago, excepted that it was a Novell Netware machine... -- Marc Van Dyck ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:25:58 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: MONITOR with different architectures Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Goodwin [mailto:jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com] > Sent: August 31, 2007 10:02 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: MONITOR with different architectures > > > "Robert Deininger" wrote in message > news:rdeininger-127F66.09304031082007@032-478-847.area7.spcsdns.net... > > In article , > > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to > > reply) wrote: > > > >> In article <3QGx2DOob4Cv@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > >> > ...snip... > >> > 2. The patch does not have some theoretical drawback known > >> > through methods other than testing > >> > >> Whatever happened to DEC quality? > > > > Huh? If DEC had known about an incompatibility, do you think they'd > > have shipped it anyway? > > > ...snip... > > > > Disclaimer: parts of this post are pure sarcasm. > > Sarcasm aside :), HP did know about the remote MONITOR incompatibility > and > properly documented it in section 4.1.3 of the V8.3 Release Notes. > > -Jeff > Jeff, Thanks for pointing this out. Here is a reference for those that still like to play with black helicopter= s: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/83final/6677/6677pro_sm.html#systemmanagement Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:45:53 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Mozilla (was Re: Exporting data tied up in a VAX/VMS system) Message-ID: On 08/31/07 12:25, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: [snip] > > Do you have any idea why your messages always appear in 4 point type? I > need a magnifying glass to read them in the original. I can, of course, > ask Netscape to display a larger font size but it's a nuisance! > > Yours are the ONLY messages that appear this way! You can *probably* tell Mozilla/Nutscrape to view these posts in plain text. However, you're using an *ancient* version 1.0.2 (Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01), so it would probably behoove you to upgrade to it's successor SeaMonkey 1.1.4. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:52:37 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect Message-ID: On 08/30/07 22:44, JF Mezei wrote: [snip] > > > CSI will give the 8086 capabilities once reserved to high end chips. And > porting VMS to it would give VMS access to a far greater market. QuickPath (new name of Common System Interface) offers *nothing* that Athlon64 and Opteron using HyperTransport haven't had for 4 years. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 01:42:02 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: August 31, 2007 11:51 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect > > If you ask IT people, they will know that VMS is a good quality > operating system, that it has good documentation and great clustering > capabilities. > > BUT: They will say they can't get VMS because it doesn't run their > apps, > it doesn't run on viable industry standard platform, and because there > is no commitiment to VMS from the vendor. > Your views. Many other Customers disagree: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/announce/cust_statements.html > Porting VMS to the 8086 will solve the server image issue as well as > the > commitment issue. It won't magically bring all apps to VMS. But without > this port, it ensures that VMS will not get new apps and continue to > reduce the number of apps it has left. > > As long as HP makes public statements about just wanting to be able to > convert the VMS installed based to HP-UX customers, Are you still harping on the Scott statement from 5 years ago? Geeze, you sure know how to keep bringing up old news. The IBM VP of Software stated publicly that he thought AIX users would even= tually be migrated to Linux and he was fine with that. Reference: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-982512.html?tag=3Dfd_lede2_hed "NEW YORK--The day is approaching when Linux will likely replace IBM's vers= ion of Unix, the company's top software executive said, an indication that the upstart o= perating system's stature is rising within Big Blue." Now, do I believe this? Of course not. Big companies are made up of many smaller "companies" or BU's and their pub= lic statements often reflect their own personal OS preferences and do not neces= sarily reflect the official views of the company. > it will send a > strong signal that HP has no interest in growing VMS and as a result, > ISVs will stay away from it and in doing so, will help HP downsize VMS > out of existance. > > And whenever some HP employee supports their employer's bid to downsize > VMS out of existance, it makes those customers loyal to VMS feel even > more alone because they don't even see VMS staff trying to fight for > VMS's success/survival within HP. Know anyone from HP on this newsgroup that does not want OpenVMS to grow to= the clouds? Hey, I am not saying marketing could not be improved. Heck, I am sure the H= P-UX and NSK groups would say the same thing. I suspect the AIX groups at IBM also w= ish they had better marketing as well - especially in view of the recent Solaris to Powe= r6 porting announcement. Some things are out of our control. JF - with all due respect, I know you have the best interests of OpenVMS at= heart, but simply stating something out of the blue for shock value (as if it were fac= t) only does discredit to yourself. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:38:57 -0500 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: RE: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect Message-ID: <00aa01c7ec41$3f2f91e0$bd8eb5a0$@com> > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:44 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect > > Main, Kerry wrote: > > What is the proportion of Windows/Linux servers on x86 servers vs. > other OS > > Platforms on X86? > > > How do you propose to solve the "One App, One OS" culture associated > with Windows > > and Linux? > > > Like it or not, 8086 is the industry standard, and its future is NOT in > question. IA64's future is in question, and with CSI, its future will > continue to be in question, especially since the 8086 will scale even > higher into IA64's market niche. I hate to point this out, but the 8086 has not had a future since around 1985 or so. The current set of X86 and X64 chips bear as much resemblance to the 8086 as does an Alpha to a PDP-8. The IA64 does seem to have a future, if not the "take over the world" future Intel might once have envisoned. It is not really any less secure than Power or other alternative arch's. -Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:36:46 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect Message-ID: On 08/31/07 20:42, Main, Kerry wrote: [snip] > > The IBM VP of Software stated publicly that he thought AIX users would eventually > be migrated to Linux and he was fine with that. Reference: > http://news.com.com/2100-1001-982512.html?tag=fd_lede2_hed > "NEW YORK--The day is approaching when Linux will likely replace IBM's version of Unix, > the company's top software executive said, an indication that the upstart operating > system's stature is rising within Big Blue." > > Now, do I believe this? Of course not. Sure I do. Three years ago, our development group (which encompasses everyone except the people who work in the data center) decided that all *will* be moved off of Rdb/VMS/Forte and onto Oracle/Unix/Java. Since they thought that Linux was a toy, and the "Unix" (because the CIO had a beef with Sun) was to be HP-UX, no matter how small the project. Then an extended research project project demonstrated that Linux is not, in fact, a toy. So, the small-mid sized systems (up to 10 million bridge tolls per month) are being ported to Linux. If Linux (Red Hate on 64-bit Xeon ProLiants) and Oracle prove up to the task, I have no doubt that the big systems (60 million tolls per month) will also go Linux instead of HP-UX. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:02:55 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect Message-ID: <4o6Ci.19182$Zk5.13745@newsfe23.lga> On 08/31/07 21:38, Paul Raulerson wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] >> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:44 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: The Common System Interface: Intel's Future Interconnect [snip] >> >> Like it or not, 8086 is the industry standard, and its future is NOT in >> question. IA64's future is in question, and with CSI, its future will >> continue to be in question, especially since the 8086 will scale even >> higher into IA64's market niche. > > I hate to point this out, but the 8086 has not had a future since around > 1985 or so. Convincing JF to use the proper terminology is as likely as convincing Tom Cruise that Xenu did *not*, in fact, "[bring] billions of frozen people to Earth 75 million years ago, [stack] them around volcanoes and [blow] them up with hydrogen bombs, creating swarms of disembodied alien souls known as Body Thetans" Quoted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera_in_Scientology_doctrine > The current set of X86 and X64 chips bear as much resemblance > to the 8086 as does an Alpha to a PDP-8. The *chips* bear little resemblance, but the *binaries* will still run perfectly well. Most all (non-SIMD) usermode x86-64 instructions are just 64-bit extensions of the original 8086 instructions. > The IA64 does seem to have a future, if not the "take over the world" future > Intel might once have envisoned. > It is not really any less secure than Power or other alternative arch's. You, of all people, should know better. POWER 6 current *ships* at a peak of 4.7GHz, and prototypes have hit 6GHz. I'll be very surprised if Tukwila beats 3GHz. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 2007 13:11:18 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Third sunday in the month Message-ID: In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > apogeusistemas@gmail.com writes: > >>Hi: >>I=B4m looking for a command procedure to send a operator=B4s message >>if the day is the third sunday in the month. >>Can you help me ? >>Thank you. > > A more challenging version of this is, instead of DCL running every day > checking if today's date is the third Sunday, is some DCL that sets > a DCL symbol to the date of the (next) third Sunday, so that one can do a > $ SUBMIT/AFTER='DATE and have the submitted code run _only_ on the third > Sunday. $ date = f$time() $ third_sunday = f$fao("!2ZL",21-f$locate(f$extract(0,2,f$cvtime("1"+f$extract(2,9,f$cvtime(date,"ABSOLUTE","DATE")),,"WEEKDAY")),"MoTuWeThFrSa")/2)+f$extract(2,9,f$cvtime(date,"ABSOLUTE","DATE")) Algorithm: Take the given date, put it into canonical format with f$cvtime, change the day number to 1 and find the weekday of the first of the month using f$cvtime. Trim that down to 2 characers with f$extract, locate it in a lookup table (trimmed so that "Su" is last and need not be in the table) and divide by 2, giving the day number of the first of the month using the convention that Monday = 0 and Sunday = 6 Subtract that from 21 giving the day number of the third Sunday, zero fill using F$FAO (not really required for third sunday and not part of problem requirements) and tack on the rest of the date string for the given month, obtained with f$cvtime. Note that if date is set to "TODAY" or "" there is a potential race condition at midnight on the last day of the month since there are two calls to CVTIME to get a date string corresponding to the current month. That's the main reason that the solution has two lines instead of one. I'm not happy about a lookup table, but can't think of a handy way to get a numeric day-of-week in DCL otherwise. (Yes, I know you can get there with a mathematical formula based on numeric year, month and day and can obtain all three from f$cvtime(,"COMPARISON")) > A related puzzle I saw a long time ago was DCL that submits a job to > run on the second to last day of the month, again, without running and > checking every day. That sounds like a fairly easy one. Find the date of the first day of this month (replace the day in today's date with with "01") Find a date in the next month (add 31 days with f$cvtime) Find the first day of next month (replace the day with "01") Find the date two days prior (subtract 2 days with f$cvtime) No race conditions or table lookups in that one. Dead easy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:27:53 -0700 From: Joe Bloggs Subject: Re: Third sunday in the month Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:57:44 -0700, apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote: >Hi: >Iīm looking for a command procedure to send a operatorīs message >if the day is the third sunday in the month. >Can you help me ? >Thank you. if you are able to use perl, consider using installing the Date::Calc modules eg http://search.cpan.org/~tchatzi/Date-Calc/Calc.pod http://search.cpan.org/~stbey/Date-Calc-5.4/Calc.pod here's an example to figure the 3rd Friday. use Date::Calc qw( Today Add_Delta_Days Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year ); ($year,$month,$day) = Today(); # P3: 5 = Friday # P4: 3 = 3rd occurance of that day of week ($year0,$month0,$day0) = Nth_Weekday_of_Month_Year($year,$month,5,3); # Saturday following ($year1,$month1,$day1) = Add_Delta_Days($year0,$month0,$day0,1 ); # Sunday following ($year2,$month2,$day2) = Add_Delta_Days($year0,$month0,$day0,2 ); $today = sprintf( "%04u/%02u/%02u",$year, $month, $day ); $ThirdFri_plus_0 = sprintf( "%04u/%02u/%02u",$year0,$month0,$day0); $ThirdFri_plus_1 = sprintf( "%04u/%02u/%02u",$year1,$month1,$day1); $ThirdFri_plus_2 = sprintf( "%04u/%02u/%02u",$year2,$month2,$day2); printf( "Today: %s\n",$today ); printf( "3rd Fri+0: %s\n",$ThirdFri_plus_0 ); printf( "3rd Fri+1: %s\n",$ThirdFri_plus_1 ); printf( "3rd Fri+2: %s\n",$ThirdFri_plus_2 ); ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:45:07 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: Third sunday in the month Message-ID: apogeusistemas@gmail.com wrote in news:1188427622.398539.57180@ 22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com: [snip..] > $ set nover > $ hour="''F$EXTRACT(12,2, F$TIME())'" > $ day=F$CVTIME(,,"day") > $ week=F$CVTIME(,,"weekday") > $ if ((week .eqs. "Sunday") .and. (day .gt. "14") .and. (day .lt. > "23") .and. (hour .eq. "12")) then goto dispara > $exit > $dispara: > $ mail/subj=" >>> Restarte o Server <<< " sys > $login:restart_server.txt "smtp%""schwarzt@aaaaaaa.com.br""" > $exit > > Thanks a lot for your examples ! > > Forgetting the calculation of the third Sunday of the month, is this a reminder to restart a VMS system? If the answer is yes, you certainly must have some other question that needs to be answered. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 07:20:42 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: Useful paper on Network Security, in Particular IPsec Message-ID: A PDF file eh? I wonder what could be in there; maybe it could help your organizations reduce costs and increase security? Maybe you could be charging Ģ120/hr for the next six months implementing this stuff on VMS. Be the first System/Network Manager to sort out the compatibility issues between Windows (who's had this stuff for years) and VMS then name your own price. Here's a test case for you: - "All transactions being pushed from MTS/DTC on a Windows box to port 3372 on your VMS box". As good a place to start as any? On second thoughts; you're right. It's only a wheel; I mean what the hell are they good for? Up here in the hills, me Bubba and Orvil like our SSH shapes jus' fine - All the server processes look the same, just like everyone that lives up here. Cheers Richard Maher "Richard Maher" wrote in message news:fa8d52$jn3$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au... > Hi, > > If you're fed-up floundering around with SSH, sftp, SSL et al and are > wondering if there's any alternative, then this document could well be worth > a read! > > http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-77/sp800-77.pdf > > Cheers Richard Maher > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:31:09 -0600 From: Mark Berryman Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <46d8262d$1@mvb.saic.com> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>, > JF Mezei writes: > >>I was doing email before Windows was born. > > > Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send > Email between different machines? 1977 (at least for any system outside of development). Mark Berryman ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 2007 22:00:40 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <5jrhc8F10ehbU1@mid.individual.net> In article <46d8262d$1@mvb.saic.com>, Mark Berryman writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>, >> JF Mezei writes: >> >>>I was doing email before Windows was born. >> >> >> Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send >> Email between different machines? > > 1977 (at least for any system outside of development). Now there's real talent for you. They were sending Email between machines using VMS before it even existed!! http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/32-bit.htm October 1977: Introduction of the VAX-11/780, the first member of the VAX computer family. February 1978: V1.0 of the VMS operating system ships. http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Timeline 1978: VAX-11/VMS released http://hampage.hu/vax/e_main.html 1977. Introduction of the VAX-11/780 "supermini" computer 1978. VMS1.0 shipped http://www.byte.com/art/9611/sec5/art1.htm April 1978: First VAX shipped, with a preliminary version of VMS. August 1978: VMS 1.0 ships. Now, could someone provide the real answer? When did DECNET first come into existence? Was there any serial machine-to-machine protocol for VMS before the first port of UUCP? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:51:05 -0500 From: bradhamilton@comcast.net (Brad Hamilton) Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: In article <46d7d830$1@news.langstoeger.at>, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: [...] >Great statement, folks. Many are too long for a license plate. On top of the licesnse plate: (Open)VMS: $exit 2928 On the bottom: %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels [...] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:05:46 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <9bc87$46d89ecb$cef8887a$21509@TEKSAVVY.COM> VMS may be celebrating its 30th anniversary soon. But OpenVMS will only be celebrating its roughly 15th birthday (or less). So for the 30th anniversary, the current owners should give VMS due respect and call it VMS. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 07:02:41 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: Hi Sue, Here's my two: - "Sometimes it just has to be done right." (Could be prefixed with "'Cos", or have an exclamation mark at the end, "has to be" -v- "gotta"?). or "VMS - For banjo-plucking xenophobes" Cheers Richard Maher "Sue" wrote in message news:1188489170.332475.258080@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... > Dear Newsgroup, > > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years. The > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option" > > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th. Let me know what > you think. > > Warm Regards, > Sue > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:08:46 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <29c74$46d89f75$cef8b04d$28914@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free> Mayve we can get the Afghani's or the Kurds to begin using VMS - them we can have: OpenVMS - The Official Operating System of ... insert country here... Sue wrote: > Dear Newsgroup, > > If you remember we have done VMS License plates over the years. The > last one we did had "When downtime is NOT an option" > > I was thinking about doing them again for our 30th. Let me know what > you think. > > Warm Regards, > Sue -- OpenVMS - The never-advertised operating system with the dwindling ISV base. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:15:41 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <1188601947_13037@sp12lax.superfeed.net> Brad Hamilton wrote: > In article <46d7d830$1@news.langstoeger.at>, Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER wrote: > [...] >> Great statement, folks. Many are too long for a license plate. > > On top of the licesnse plate: > > (Open)VMS: $exit 2928 > > On the bottom: > > %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels > [...] Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.3-1 [snip] $ exit 2928 %SYSTEM-W-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels $ exit 2930 %SYSTEM-E-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels $ exit 2932 %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels $ exit 2934 %SYSTEM-?-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels $ logo "They" missed: %SYSTEM-I-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels 8-) 8-) Jeff ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:13:18 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: VMS License Plates Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] > Sent: August 31, 2007 12:20 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: RE: VMS License Plates > > Of course there are some of us who will display a license plate > (or other trinket) that says VMS but not one that says OpenVMS. > > I doubt there are any of the reverse persuasion. > > I suppose that means a chance to lower the production cost by adding > three letters. Well, something to consider about VMS vs. OpenVMS is that there are now oth= er vendor products called VMS: http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2002/0204rev.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 2007 21:40:58 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: RE: VMS License Plates Message-ID: In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] >> Sent: August 31, 2007 12:20 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: RE: VMS License Plates >> >> Of course there are some of us who will display a license plate >> (or other trinket) that says VMS but not one that says OpenVMS. >> >> I doubt there are any of the reverse persuasion. >> >> I suppose that means a chance to lower the production cost by adding >> three letters. > > Well, something to consider about VMS vs. OpenVMS is that there are now oth= > er vendor > products called VMS: Anybody we care about knows what is meant. But why should you take advice from someone who cannot count to 4 (additional letters for "Open") ? :-) ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 2007 21:43:16 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: In article <5jrhc8F10ehbU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article <46d8262d$1@mvb.saic.com>, > Mark Berryman writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> In article <39033$46d76794$cef8887a$22000@teksavvy.com>, >>> JF Mezei writes: >>> >>>>I was doing email before Windows was born. >>> >>> >>> Just out of curiosity, when did VMS first have the ability to send >>> Email between different machines? >> >> 1977 (at least for any system outside of development). > > Now there's real talent for you. They were sending Email between machines > using VMS before it even existed!! > > > http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/digital/timeline/32-bit.htm > > October 1977: > Introduction of the VAX-11/780, the first member of the VAX computer family. > February 1978: > V1.0 of the VMS operating system ships. I am pretty sure there was a field test in 1987. I remember stories of sites running something called "Baselevel 5". One of the pioneer VMS sites and early field test was a university machine whose system manager was named Wilson. He had plenty to say about the lack of indexed files in VMS V1 for him to log in. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:53:40 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: On 08/31/07 17:00, Bill Gunshannon wrote: [snip] > > Now, could someone provide the real answer? When did DECNET first come > into existence? 1975. I wouldn't be surprised if network email arrive in Phase II (1976) or Phase III (1980). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECnet DECnet is a suite of network protocols created by Digital Equipment Corporation, originally released in 1975 in order to connect two PDP-11 minicomputers. It evolved into one of the first peer-to-peer network architectures, thus transforming DEC into a networking powerhouse in the 1980s. > Was there any serial machine-to-machine protocol for > VMS before the first port of UUCP? DECnet III supported X.25. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:05:07 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: VMS License Plates Message-ID: <8q6Ci.19183$Zk5.16187@newsfe23.lga> On 08/31/07 21:13, Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net] >> Sent: August 31, 2007 12:20 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: RE: VMS License Plates >> >> Of course there are some of us who will display a license plate >> (or other trinket) that says VMS but not one that says OpenVMS. >> >> I doubt there are any of the reverse persuasion. >> >> I suppose that means a chance to lower the production cost by adding >> three letters. > > Well, something to consider about VMS vs. OpenVMS is that there are now other vendor > products called VMS: > > http://www.networkworld.com/reviews/2002/0204rev.html That's a copyright violation if I every heard one. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 07:33:09 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: What'd you do in the war Grand-dad? (was Re: Itanium Port Question) Message-ID: Hi Paul, > Eh? What are you wittering on about Dickie? Anything and everything :-) > Then you define yer integers. I did say word aligned, not longword or > quadword aligned. Ah yes, back in the Crimea me and Tenzing used to stick .EVENs after every single allocation whether we neededto or not - Happy days! > Righty-ho, I'll tell Carruthers and Farqhuart. They'll hold the > blighters off. It's like ZULU all over again. > PS. Has anyone here actually come across anyone actually named > Carruthers or Farqhuart? I certainly haven't. Now that you mention it, no. But don't get me going on first name's in Perth these days; there are entire primary school classes devoid of a single John, Peter, or Paul. (But there's a Boston a Summer and a Storm :-( Did the Seventies come back while I was away?) > If you wish to compare an amortization of the disk costs of doing > otherwise for 15+ years versus the one-off exercise that was Y2K, please > feel free to do so. Yes disk space is cheap these days. There are gigabytes of IPsec documentation out there that'll never be accessed, just chewing up space. Cheers Richard Maher "P. Sture" wrote in message news:paul.sture.nospam-209545.18300428082007@mac.sture.ch... > In article , > "Richard Maher" wrote: > > > Hi Paul, > > > > > Maybe there are a lot of instances of this out there, but I was taught > > > to word align integers back in VAX COBOL days. > > > > Oh really? Disk space was cheap back then was it? > > > > Eh? What are you wittering on about Dickie? > > Consider a primary key of 17 bytes. Belongs at the beginning of an RMS > record in my book. Find another variable that's only one byte long and > it belongs next. > > Then you define yer integers. I did say word aligned, not longword or > quadword aligned. > > > "Yes, me and Gungadin used to fill our disks with padding bytes; don't fire > > till you see the whites of their eyes; esprit de cour and all that." > > Righty-ho, I'll tell Carruthers and Farqhuart. They'll hold the > blighters off. > > PS. Has anyone here actually come across anyone actually named > Carruthers or Farqhuart? I certainly haven't. > > PPS. In he early 1980s I inadvertently contributed to the Y2K problem, > simply because I didn't believe an application would last so long. > > If you wish to compare an amortization of the disk costs of doing > otherwise for 15+ years versus the one-off exercise that was Y2K, please > feel free to do so. > > :-) > > -- > Paul Sture > > Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks: > http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookmarks.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 18:56:19 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Wisconsin professor says global warming a hoax! Message-ID: On 08/30/07 20:58, David J Dachtera wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 08/28/07 19:45, David J Dachtera wrote: >>> Neil Rieck wrote: >>>> On Aug 25, 11:09 am, David J Dachtera >>>> wrote: >> [snip] >>> On the other hand, if you dedicate your efforts to launching some artifacts of >>> human society into space such that they will eventually land back on what ever >>> is left of Mother Earth, that may actually prove useful in the long run if found >>> and eventually studied by whatever intelligent life form succeeds us. >> Unless (70.8% chance) it lands in water. > > "Water" - brash assumption Huh? What's a brash assumption? >> Or the 90% of the terra firma that is uninhabited. > > Likewise; however, note the use of "may" and "if" in the quoted text. Doesn't > really suggest more than a remote possibility. > -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:37:40 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: Xyplex RJ45-DB9 wiring Message-ID: <1188592466_12921@sp12lax.superfeed.net> Tom Linden wrote: > Trying to bring up a terminal server, and have difficult time getting > the wiring correct for the RJ45-DB9 (to go on OPA0) using straight > through cable. > > Anybody out there gone through the excercise? And yes have googled and > found > various diagrams none of which seem to work. > TIA > Did you try: Jeff ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.479 ************************