INFO-VAX Thu, 26 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 406 Contents: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols broken monitor, well sort of Re: broken monitor, well sort of Re: broken monitor, well sort of Re: broken monitor, well sort of Re: broken monitor, well sort of Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing Re: decnet startup failing FC SAN recommendation Re: FC SAN recommendation Re: July the 4th RE: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: July the 4th Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup Re: Set File /NoBackup TCPware SMTP logging question Re: TCPware SMTP logging question Re: TCPware SMTP logging question Re: TCPware SMTP logging question Re: Upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 - Copy from Disk to tape taking a long time. time. Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Re: What does GEM mean? Re: What does GEM mean? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:55:01 +0000 From: "Paul Raulerson" Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: ----=_vm_0011_W685005456_4496_1185468901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So the dump was not showing the current and starting size, just the maxim= um? I would have assumed that the in-memory signature started with the minimu= m possible size for the image, and varied upwards as necessary. I would a= lso have expected the memory signature to decrease back to the base size = during execution time; that fact it did not do so if of course the key th= at identified the issue as a "memory leak" - howsoever it was caused. I don't think you are saying that the image was just loaded with the maxi= mum size at load time... but I could be making a really dumb assumption t= here. OpenVMS seems to have a pretty simple executable image format, though sim= ple could be more an appearance than reality. -Paul >Paul Raulerson wrote: >> Boy, this is going to sound dumb, but didn't it just run out of space?= >There >> has to be a memory leak or some kind of failure to deallocate somethin= g >> there - it is using 1024 pages, which is its maximum. It looks to me l= ike >it >> started with 512? >> >> I am probably wrong with this assumption, but it is such an easy answe= r... > > >I'll ignore the :-) here. > >There does appear to be a leak here. The leak likely involves >"constructed" DCL symbols -- symbols built at run-time to allow the >construction of a DCL data array, for instance -- or potentially with >logical names. It is conceivable that something else -- run-away >allocation of I/O channels -- might trigger this leak (particularly if >the run-time environment was already marginal), but symbols and logical = >names are the most common trigger. > >The CLISYMTBL system parameter doesn't get bumped automatically, it gets= >bumped after a change to MODPARAMS.DAT and a reboot, or via a direct >SYSMAN parameter change and a reboot. I'm not aware of any system >parameter that changes itself; all changes require some sort of manual >intervention, upgrade, AUTOGEN or other such. Some parameters require a = >reboot before the change takes effect, and some parameters can be >changed dynamically. -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ----=_vm_0011_W685005456_4496_1185468901-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:29:55 -0400 From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: Paul Raulerson wrote: > Boy, this is going to sound dumb, but didn't it just run out of space? There > has to be a memory leak or some kind of failure to deallocate something > there - it is using 1024 pages, which is its maximum. It looks to me like it > started with 512? > > I am probably wrong with this assumption, but it is such an easy answer... I'll ignore the :-) here. There does appear to be a leak here. The leak likely involves "constructed" DCL symbols -- symbols built at run-time to allow the construction of a DCL data array, for instance -- or potentially with logical names. It is conceivable that something else -- run-away allocation of I/O channels -- might trigger this leak (particularly if the run-time environment was already marginal), but symbols and logical names are the most common trigger. The CLISYMTBL system parameter doesn't get bumped automatically, it gets bumped after a change to MODPARAMS.DAT and a reboot, or via a direct SYSMAN parameter change and a reboot. I'm not aware of any system parameter that changes itself; all changes require some sort of manual intervention, upgrade, AUTOGEN or other such. Some parameters require a reboot before the change takes effect, and some parameters can be changed dynamically. -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:11:19 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: %DCL-W-SYMOVF, no room for symbol definitions - delete some symbols Message-ID: In article , Stephen Hoffman writes: > > >Paul Raulerson wrote: >> Boy, this is going to sound dumb, but didn't it just run out of space? There >> has to be a memory leak or some kind of failure to deallocate something >> there - it is using 1024 pages, which is its maximum. It looks to me like it >> started with 512? >> >> I am probably wrong with this assumption, but it is such an easy answer... > >I'll ignore the :-) here. > >There does appear to be a leak here. The leak likely involves >"constructed" DCL symbols -- symbols built at run-time to allow the >construction of a DCL data array, for instance -- or potentially with >logical names. It is conceivable that something else -- run-away >allocation of I/O channels -- might trigger this leak (particularly if >the run-time environment was already marginal), but symbols and logical >names are the most common trigger. > >The CLISYMTBL system parameter doesn't get bumped automatically, it gets >bumped after a change to MODPARAMS.DAT and a reboot, or via a direct SYSPARAMS.DAT ... MODPARAMS.DAT is an input file to the AUTOGEN which can be used to update SYSPARAMS.DAT. >SYSMAN parameter change and a reboot. I'm not aware of any system ...or SYSGEN. >parameter that changes itself; all changes require some sort of manual >intervention, upgrade, AUTOGEN or other such. Some parameters require a >reboot before the change takes effect, and some parameters can be >changed dynamically. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:43:37 -0000 From: kiwi-red Subject: broken monitor, well sort of Message-ID: <1185432217.724495.9980@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Hi strange one. if I type monitor sys/node=(ca0390, ca0350) Monitor starts up and then falls over with: %MONITOR-E-UNEXPERR, unexpected error -SYSTEM-F-FLTDIV_F, arithmetic fault, floating divide by zero at PC=000000000005 BBE8, PS=0000001B If I type monitor sys/node=(ca0350, ca0390) then it works fine Any suggestions? GS1280's on 7.3-2 CI cluster with a few VAXEN. Antony ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:06:43 -0700 From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: broken monitor, well sort of Message-ID: <1185437203.892208.90190@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> Antony, there does not appear to exist any patch for MONITOR (i.e. MONITOR.EXE, MONTORSHR.EXE or SPISHR.EXE) for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2. As OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 is out of support, no fixes can be expected. You could try a SET PROC/DUMP and have a look at the process dump to find out, which instruction causes this floating point divide error. Are those 2 nodes, you're trying to monitor, Alpha or VAX nodes ? Volker. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:20:36 -0700 From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: broken monitor, well sort of Message-ID: <1185438036.385519.53350@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Antony, MONITOR on V7.3-2 is still a VAX translated image (MONITOR_TV.EXE). This seems to be the instruction stream taking the FLTDIV_F fault: MONITOR_TV+5BBC4: LDT F5,#X0018(FP) < load F5 MONITOR_TV+5BBC8: CVTQF F5,F5 < convert F5 MONITOR_TV+5BBCC: LDAH R17,#X000B(R15) MONITOR_TV+5BBD0: LDF F17,#XA5F4(R17) MONITOR_TV+5BBD4: DIVF/U F5,F17,F18 MONITOR_TV+5BBD8: TRAPB MONITOR_TV+5BBDC: CPYS F18,F18,F5 < copy F18 into F5 MONITOR_TV+5BBE0: S4ADDL R1,R2,R18 MONITOR_TV+5BBE4: DIVF/U F4,F5,F19 < divide by R5 (r5=0) MONITOR_TV+5BBE8: TRAPB < report fault here Don't expect anyone willing to dig into that translated image. You've found a workaround. Use it... Volker. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:21:15 -0400 From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Re: broken monitor, well sort of Message-ID: Volker Halle wrote: > there does not appear to exist any patch for MONITOR (i.e. > MONITOR.EXE, MONTORSHR.EXE or SPISHR.EXE) for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2. > > As OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 is out of support, no fixes can be expected. Current Version Support did end earlier this year. V7.3-2 Prior Version Support is expected through through 2011, and thereafter only with advanced notice of 24 months. This on both of the posted PVS policies; in both the European Geography and the US & AP Geography policies. Which means that there can still be fixes seen for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2, for customer folks with PVS contracts. kiwi-red: If you have a prior version support (PVS) contract, call up HP and report the bug. And Volker is correct; I'd certainly also expect to use the workaround for a while. I'd also look at loading mandatory ECOs for the core OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 components, on the off chance that this error is arising from an underlying library or operating system component and not from within the images of the translated MONITOR itself. MONITOR was re-written for the next release after this version; the use of the translator and the existing MONITOR code was eliminated. The updated version of MONITOR can be found in the V8.* range of OpenVMS releases. -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:30:04 -0700 From: Volker Halle Subject: Re: broken monitor, well sort of Message-ID: <1185463804.696925.99420@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Steve, I maybe should have said: As OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2 is out of support, no PUBLIC fixes can be expected. Volker. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 07:37:01 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Converting old VMS Wordperfect files Message-ID: In article <1185385054.972914.59210@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Ken Robinson writes: > Residing on one of the VMS systems that I am now managing are over > 10,000 old VMS WordPerfect 5.1 files. > > Does anyone have any suggestion on how to convert these to ASCII or > RTF format files either on VMS or in a DOS or Windows environment? The > files are accessible to Windows via Advanced Server (Pathworks). We're > runing > OpenVMS 7.3-2 on a ES40. > > When I did a search in Google almost all the posts were over 10 years > old. Will MS-Word or OpenOffice read them? I know Word will read some WordPerfect formats. Have you contacted the vendor? VMS WordPerfect might still be supported, if not developed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:04:01 -0700 From: jhjr4381 Subject: decnet startup failing Message-ID: <1185469441.346923.215710@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com> We have an old Vax system (4300) that is clustered with an Alpha (2100 4/200) yes, I know, also old as dirt. However, users can't log on to the Vax directly, only by logging on the the Alpha and doing a 'set host xxx' can they log onto the Vax. So I'm assuming it's not attached tothe network. If I do a show net: $ show net %NETWRK-E-NOAVAILABLE, network service information is unavailable at this time What I've discovered, is that the startnet.com file has some errors. The first one is: $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:NETACP - /NOACCOUNTING- /NOAUTHORIZE- /TRUSTED- /AST_LIMIT=100- /BUFFER_LIMIT=262144- /EXTENT=1500- /FILE_LIMIT=128- /IO_BUFFERED=32767- /IO_DIRECT=32767- /QUEUE_LIMIT=16- /ENQUEUE_LIMIT=255- /MAXIMUM_WORKING_SET=350- /PAGE_FILE=20480- /PRIORITY=8- /PRIVILEGES=CMKRNL- /PROCESS_NAME=NETACP- /UIC=[1,3] %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name With show process, I see that it already exists with devices attached, privileges, etc. Can I assume that this is ok? If not, do I kill it (and how) and re-run startnet.com? Then further down I get: NCP SET MODULE CONFIGURATOR KNOWN CIRCUITS ALL %NCP-I-NOINFO, No information in database So i assume this either related, or another problem. Is there a config com file or something I can run to automatically / manually create whatever database this is? Then later on, I get: Run sys$system:remacp - /noaccounting - /noauthorize - / privileges=(NOSAME,CMKRNL,LOG_IO,NETMBX,TMPMBX,SYSNAM) - /uic=[1,3] - /priority=8 - /page_file=600053 - /ast_limit=511 - /buffer_limit=85304 - /file_limit=256 - /io_buffered=511 - /process_name=remacp %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed -SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name Again, I can see that this process already exists as well. Again, should I kill these processes and execute startnet again (or does the aforementioned database have to be populated first)? Would there be a backup (on disk) of this database? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I am a relative newbie. As such, I can follow the clues, but not always find the answers (at least not quickly). Thanks again! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:26:24 +0100 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: "jhjr4381" wrote in message news:1185469441.346923.215710@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > What I've discovered, is that the startnet.com file has some errors. You appear to be running it twice; although that's not useful, it may not be relevant. I would start by looking at what: show known lines show known lines count show known circ show exec say. If you want you can try stopping with "set exec state shut" and restarting but I doubt it will help. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:35:49 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: <1185471349.582179.205740@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 26, 1:26 pm, "Richard Brodie" wrote: > "jhjr4381" wrote in message > > news:1185469441.346923.215710@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > > What I've discovered, is that the startnet.com file has some errors. > > You appear to be running it twice; although that's not useful, it > may not be relevant. I would start by looking at what: > > show known lines > show known lines count > show known circ > show exec > > say. If you want you can try stopping with "set exec state shut" > and restarting but I doubt it will help. After stopping with NCP> SET EXEC STAT SHUT, restart by running SYS $MANAGER:STARTNET.COM from SYSTEM or other sutiably privileged account. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:48:29 -0700 From: jhjr4381 Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: <1185472109.825403.143110@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com> On Jul 26, 1:26 pm, "Richard Brodie" wrote: > "jhjr4381" wrote in message > > news:1185469441.346923.215710@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > > What I've discovered, is that the startnet.com file has some errors. > > You appear to be running it twice; although that's not useful, it > may not be relevant. I would start by looking at what: > > show known lines > show known lines count > show known circ > show exec > > say. If you want you can try stopping with "set exec state shut" > and restarting but I doubt it will help. NCP>show known lines Known Line Volatile Summary as of 26-JUL-2007 11:47:00 Line State ISA-0 on NCP>show known lines count Known Line Counters as of 26-JUL-2007 11:47:07 Line = ISA-0 >65534 Seconds since last zeroed 9817691 Data blocks received 4361598 Multicast blocks received 0 Receive failure 1171342390 Bytes received 482395316 Multicast bytes received 0 Data overrun 9420553 Data blocks sent 4452191 Multicast blocks sent 23609 Blocks sent, multiple collisions 35575 Blocks sent, single collision 102620 Blocks sent, initially deferred 1016779541 Bytes sent 459956452 Multicast bytes sent 3341 Send failure, including: Excessive collisions 0 Collision detect check failure 0 Unrecognized frame destination 0 System buffer unavailable 0 User buffer unavailable NCP>show known circuits Known Circuit Volatile Summary as of 26-JUL-2007 11:47:31 Circuit State Loopback Adjacent Name Routing Node ISA-0 on NCP>show exec Node Volatile Summary as of 26-JUL-2007 11:47:35 Executor node = 12.116 (ASKNT2) State = on Identification = DECnet for OpenVMS VAX V6.1 OK, it looks like I have structure there, not sure what it tells me though. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 12:49:06 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: In article <1185469441.346923.215710@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, jhjr4381 writes: > We have an old Vax system (4300) that is clustered with an Alpha (2100 > 4/200) yes, I know, also old as dirt. However, users can't log on to > the Vax directly, only by logging on the the Alpha and doing a 'set > host xxx' can they log onto the Vax. So I'm assuming it's not attached > tothe network. If users can log onto the VAX using "set host", then it is attached to the network and probably running DECnet (there are variations of "set host" for LAT and TCP/IP, but it doesn't look like your users are using them). Also to be in the cluster these models almost certainly are on an ethernet network since thats the most likely way to get the cluster protocol between them. What protocol are the user's using? TCP/IP? Maybe TCP/IP isn't installed or running on the VAX. > If I do a show net: > > $ show net > %NETWRK-E-NOAVAILABLE, network service information is unavailable at > this time That could be a trivial configuration problem that has only to do with the information provided to the "show net" display. Many of us are sad that this is no longer dynamically fetched from the network protocols' data, but there was reason for changing that. > What I've discovered, is that the startnet.com file has some errors. > The first one is: > $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:NETACP - > /NOACCOUNTING- > /NOAUTHORIZE- > /TRUSTED- > /AST_LIMIT=100- > /BUFFER_LIMIT=262144- > /EXTENT=1500- > /FILE_LIMIT=128- > /IO_BUFFERED=32767- > /IO_DIRECT=32767- > /QUEUE_LIMIT=16- > /ENQUEUE_LIMIT=255- > /MAXIMUM_WORKING_SET=350- > /PAGE_FILE=20480- > /PRIORITY=8- > /PRIVILEGES=CMKRNL- > /PROCESS_NAME=NETACP- > /UIC=[1,3] > %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed > -SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name That is not an error "in" startnet.com, it's an error when you ran startnet.com that demonstrates that DECnet is already running. > With show process, I see that it already exists with devices attached, > privileges, etc. Can I assume that this is ok? If not, do I kill it > (and how) and re-run startnet.com? It depends on the Phase of DECnet. I think you should start from the VMS FAQ and find out what you do have so you can let us know. OBTW, if you succeed in killing NETACP (which has safeguards to make it non-trivial even for privileged users), you will crash the system. I think you need to know a lot more before you mess any further with your system. Please read the FAQ, and learn about at least DECnet and TCP/IP protocols, then come back here and ask more questions. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:53:04 -0700 From: jhjr4381 Subject: Re: decnet startup failing Message-ID: <1185472384.714961.191340@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On Jul 26, 1:26 pm, "Richard Brodie" wrote: > "jhjr4381" wrote in message > > news:1185469441.346923.215710@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > > > What I've discovered, is that the startnet.com file has some errors. > > You appear to be running it twice; although that's not useful, it > may not be relevant. I would start by looking at what: > > show known lines > show known lines count > show known circ > show exec > > say. If you want you can try stopping with "set exec state shut" > and restarting but I doubt it will help. I did run this solo, after the system has booted. I forgot to mention that, sorry. Is there another service that should be started then? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:04:31 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: FC SAN recommendation Message-ID: Looking to put together a relatively small cluster (two nodes) with a sm= all SAN <=3D 6 disks. Will run 8.3 on Alpha, perhaps DS10L -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:46:29 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: FC SAN recommendation Message-ID: <13ahjuhjbhrrgb5@news.supernews.com> Well, we have the 16 port SAN switch for $900 KGPSA-CA 1Gbit card is $300 I would use the RA8000 fiber variant That is about $1500 for a single controller variant with firmware card Cables for this about $100 David "Tom Linden" wrote in message news:op.tv2xltqrhv4qyg@murphus.linden... Looking to put together a relatively small cluster (two nodes) with a small SAN <= 6 disks. Will run 8.3 on Alpha, perhaps DS10L -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 13:29:14 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <5grltaF3h2n07U1@mid.individual.net> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <5gn0quF3hi5b4U2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> Actually, there are and have been more than enough troops to do the job. >> What is lacking is permission. > > While I agree politics from both the White House and the Iraqi > government habve interfered with the troops ability to carry out the > mission, you cannot suppress 26 million armed people with 120,000 > soldiers. You don't havr to supress 26 million people. Thinking that every simgle man, woman and child in Iraq is a threat is patently absurd. All that needed to be done was to eliminate the means to resist. That means total disarmament. Not letting some people keep their guns so they can celebrate. (If you watched the news on ABC last night you would have once again seen Iraqis shooting rifles into the air. This time celebrating the success of their National Soccer Team. And still there are people here who think they are civilized!!) And the the car bombs are stopped by taking away their cars. They have some of the biggest parking lots in the world. Great place to store them until they can be civilized. Thirdly, you close the borders. No one in or out without very thorough searching. (And before you say they couldn't close the border, trust me, landmines do a very good job of closing borders. You might be amazed at what 120,000 of the best trained and most motivated soldiers in the world can do. Don't confuse our Army with what the Russians sent to Afghanistan in the past. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:00:23 -0400 From: "Dan Allen" Subject: RE: July the 4th Message-ID: <000001c7cf8d$500287f0$1f3a0681@sdct.nist.gov> > -----Original Message----- > From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu > [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:29 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: July the 4th > > In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > In article <5gn0quF3hi5b4U2@mid.individual.net>, > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >> > >> Actually, there are and have been more than enough troops > to do the job. > >> What is lacking is permission. > > > > While I agree politics from both the White House and the Iraqi > > government habve interfered with the troops ability to > carry out the > > mission, you cannot suppress 26 million armed people > with 120,000 > > soldiers. > > You don't havr to supress 26 million people. Thinking that > every simgle man, woman and child in Iraq is a threat is > patently absurd. All that needed to be done was to eliminate > the means to resist. That means total disarmament. Not > letting some people keep their guns so they can celebrate. > (If you watched the news on ABC last night you would have > once again seen Iraqis shooting rifles into the air. This > time celebrating the success of their National Soccer Team. > And still there are people here who think they are > civilized!!) And the the car bombs are stopped by taking > away their cars. They have some of the biggest parking lots > in the world. > Great place to store them until they can be civilized. > Thirdly, you close the borders. No one in or out without > very thorough searching. (And before you say they couldn't > close the border, trust me, landmines do a very good job of > closing borders. You might be amazed at what 120,000 of the > best trained and most motivated soldiers in the world can do. > Don't confuse our Army with what the Russians sent to > Afghanistan in the past. > > bill > What have you been smoking? Total fantasy. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 14:50:15 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <5grql7F3cupjhU1@mid.individual.net> In article <000001c7cf8d$500287f0$1f3a0681@sdct.nist.gov>, "Dan Allen" writes: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu >> [mailto:bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Gunshannon >> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 9:29 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: July the 4th >> >> In article , >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >> > In article <5gn0quF3hi5b4U2@mid.individual.net>, >> bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> >> >> Actually, there are and have been more than enough troops >> to do the job. >> >> What is lacking is permission. >> > >> > While I agree politics from both the White House and the Iraqi >> > government habve interfered with the troops ability to >> carry out the >> > mission, you cannot suppress 26 million armed people >> with 120,000 >> > soldiers. >> >> You don't havr to supress 26 million people. Thinking that >> every simgle man, woman and child in Iraq is a threat is >> patently absurd. All that needed to be done was to eliminate >> the means to resist. That means total disarmament. Not >> letting some people keep their guns so they can celebrate. >> (If you watched the news on ABC last night you would have >> once again seen Iraqis shooting rifles into the air. This >> time celebrating the success of their National Soccer Team. >> And still there are people here who think they are >> civilized!!) And the the car bombs are stopped by taking >> away their cars. They have some of the biggest parking lots >> in the world. >> Great place to store them until they can be civilized. >> Thirdly, you close the borders. No one in or out without >> very thorough searching. (And before you say they couldn't >> close the border, trust me, landmines do a very good job of >> closing borders. You might be amazed at what 120,000 of the >> best trained and most motivated soldiers in the world can do. >> Don't confuse our Army with what the Russians sent to >> Afghanistan in the past. >> >> bill >> > > What have you been smoking? Total fantasy. Believe what you will, but I have been a member of the US Army since 1968. I know what I was trained to do. I know what Ihave trained others to do. And I know what we, as a team can do. All we need is to have our hands untied. That hasn't happened since WWII, except in one rather well known incident, which actually involved the Marines more than the Army. :-( bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:39:11 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <46a8ce2b$1@flight> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > (If you watched the news on ABC last night you would have once again seen > Iraqis shooting rifles into the air. This time celebrating the success > of their National Soccer Team. And still there are people here who think > they are civilized!!) When I was in Palm Springs at New Years a couple of years ago there was lots of chatter in the local media asking the residents to not fire off their guns into the air to celebrate the new year. Does that make Americans (or at least Californians) uncivilized? > before you say they couldn't close the border, trust me, landmines do a > very good job of closing borders. And create a horrible mess of collateral damage to the local citizenry and their livestock for years after the initial conflict is over. Planting landmines could easily be seen as a terrorist activity because of the way they indiscriminately kill without any prior threat assessment. >You might be amazed at what 120,000 of > the best trained and most motivated soldiers in the world can do. Don't > confuse our Army with what the Russians sent to Afghanistan in the past. It's still the Iraqui's country, ultimately it's up to them to find a solution that works for them. Enough force probably could temporarily pacify things, but unless you plan to have the US Army maintain martial law in Iraq forever it's not a permanent solution. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 12:36:54 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article <46a8ce2b$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett writes: > > When I was in Palm Springs at New Years a couple of years ago there > was lots of chatter in the local media asking the residents to not fire > off their guns into the air to celebrate the new year. > > Does that make Americans (or at least Californians) uncivilized? Yep. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 12:36:25 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: In article <5grql7F3cupjhU1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Believe what you will, but I have been a member of the US Army since > 1968. I know what I was trained to do. I know what Ihave trained > others to do. And I know what we, as a team can do. All we need is > to have our hands untied. That hasn't happened since WWII, except in > one rather well known incident, which actually involved the Marines > more than the Army. :-( I believe we do have the best equipped, best trained military in the world. That puts the odds on our side if everything else is 1:1. That lets us overcome the odds when they somewhat off from 1:1. It doesn't overcome 75:1. Do what the military didn't train you to do: think about it. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 17:41:02 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <5gs4leF3hdr02U1@mid.individual.net> In article <46a8ce2b$1@flight>, Malcolm Dunnett writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >> (If you watched the news on ABC last night you would have once again seen >> Iraqis shooting rifles into the air. This time celebrating the success >> of their National Soccer Team. And still there are people here who think >> they are civilized!!) > > When I was in Palm Springs at New Years a couple of years ago there > was lots of chatter in the local media asking the residents to not fire > off their guns into the air to celebrate the new year. > > Does that make Americans (or at least Californians) uncivilized? Actually, I would guess it's Hispanics as the Cubans in Miami are also famous for this. I leave it to you to decide if they qualify as being civilized or not but tighter border controls here would solve a lot of this problem, too. At least the Hispanics haven't taken to celebrating during the day and shooting Americans at night. (Well, at least not yet.) And, once again, I ask someone to explain to me why none of these idiots has ever given consideration to where the bullets come down. Or are we supposed to believe they go into orbit? Maybe there are not as many drive-by shootings as people think, it's just the fall-out from a wedding or sports win!! > >> before you say they couldn't close the border, trust me, landmines do a >> very good job of closing borders. > > And create a horrible mess of collateral damage to the local citizenry > and their livestock for years after the initial conflict is over. Why? Unlike our adversaries, even though we do not currently use land mines (and haven't for as long as I can remember) we do have instructions for using landmines which included mapping them so that they can be removed when no longer needed. It is only our adveraries who indiscriminately strew them in areas where they are most likely to be encountered by civilians. All this just goes to show how little people actually know about the US Army. We are not and do not do things like other countries. But then, if you lookeda t history, you would also rea;ize that we have never fought an opponent who abided by the Geneva or Hague accords. And yet the world is quick to call us "War Criminals". We, to this day, steadfastly refuse to attack a Mosque in Iraq even after watching our attackers run into one running out every couple of minutes to shoot at us again and then once again retreat into the Mosque. We are the only Army in the world who is expected to fight with one hand tied behind our backs. > Planting landmines could easily be seen as a terrorist activity because > of the way they indiscriminately kill without any prior threat assessment. Excuse me? 10 foot chainlink fence. Signs in multiple languages that say "land mines on other side of fence". Hardly seems terrorist to me. Seems like perfectly adequate warning. > >>You might be amazed at what 120,000 of >> the best trained and most motivated soldiers in the world can do. Don't >> confuse our Army with what the Russians sent to Afghanistan in the past. > > It's still the Iraqui's country, While this is a matter of opinion, after loosing a war.... > ultimately it's up to them to find > a solution that works for them. This is true. > Enough force probably could temporarily > pacify things, One would have hoped that the violence could have been stopped enough to allow the good people in Iraq (and thera quite a few) to actually have a say in the future of their country and the future of their descendants. > but unless you plan to have the US Army maintain martial > law in Iraq forever it's not a permanent solution. Did we maintain martial law in Germany forever? How about Japan? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:20:50 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: On 07/25/07 22:28, JF Mezei wrote: > Paul Raulerson wrote: >> Virtually anything you want to take the trouble to build is available out >> there for any Linux platform. Vendors sometimes do not realize that to >> support their product under Linux, they really need to port it to x86 32 >> bit, x86 64 bit, Power, and so forth. > > But that is the crux of the equation. There is a growing number of > commercial and/or shrinkwrapped applications on Linux. Are those truly > available on the variety of platforms Linux runs on ? Some are, some aren't. > Does choosing to run Linux on a non-8086 platform really implies that > you are accepting that you'll have to compile/build all your apps from ALL is a very big word. > source and that you may not have access to prebuilt shrinkwrapped > software ? Oracle 10g runs on a half-dozen Linux architectures. DB/2 probably runs on x86, x86-64 and, of course, POWER. Most ISVs, though, will only support the most popular architecure. But since you know that some VMS apps weren't ported from VAX to Alpha, and others weren't ported to IA64, and most software was ported to Solaris or The Borg Of Redmond, I'm gabberflasted that you would question this. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 08:14:10 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: In article <943bb$46a81519$cef8887a$1204@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > > But that is the crux of the equation. There is a growing number of > commercial and/or shrinkwrapped applications on Linux. Are those truly > available on the variety of platforms Linux runs on ? The last time I looked for a commercial product for a non-x86 Linux, all I found was a web page that said they support Linux. I needed PowerPC support. So I called thier contact number, left a message, and later got a message back directing me to thier web page. Based on that experience, I assumed they couldn't support my needs on any platform. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:12:28 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:14:10 -0700, Bob Koehler wrote: > The last time I looked for a commercial product for a non-x86 Linux, > all I found was a web page that said they support Linux. I needed > PowerPC support. http://ibm.com/systems/vlp -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:44:02 -0400 From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Re: Linux (was Re: How many people here use Itanium w VMS) Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Paul Raulerson wrote: >> Virtually anything you want to take the trouble to build is available out >> there for any Linux platform. Vendors sometimes do not realize that to >> support their product under Linux, they really need to port it to x86 32 >> bit, x86 64 bit, Power, and so forth. > > But that is the crux of the equation. Of what equation? If you > There is a growing number of > commercial and/or shrinkwrapped applications on Linux. Are those truly > available on the variety of platforms Linux runs on ? Support varies. > Does choosing to run Linux on a non-8086 platform really implies that > you are accepting that you'll have to compile/build all your apps from > source and that you may not have access to prebuilt shrinkwrapped > software ? Support varies. Nothing different from OpenVMS, here. Some vendors support a subset of the architectures and/or versions. Nothing different from Mac OS X here. Some vendors support a subset of the architectures and/or versions. Nothing different from Microsoft Windows here. Some vendors support a subset of the architectures and/or versions. Nothing different from HP-UX here. Some vendors... Nothing different from Solaris... In the Linux space, some vendors ship full source code. Some vendors ship encrypted (interpreted) code. Some vendors pick specific distributions and installation tools, and ship classic shrink-wrapped software. Some vendors have closed and open versions, and sell support and/or services and/or hosting and/or integration and/or connectors and/or management tools and/or advanced features. And some vendors ship the software for whatever platform the customer wants to pay for. When you shrink-wrap your mental picture, you only suffocate yourself. -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:51:41 -0700 From: BaxterD@tessco.com Subject: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: <1185447101.662211.267030@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> What is the effect of setting a top level directory to / NoBackup ??? What I want to do is avoid backing up a directory tree when I do an Image. Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:19:43 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: <1185452383.353692.177440@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> On Jul 26, 6:51 am, Baxt...@tessco.com wrote: > What is the effect of setting a top level directory to / > NoBackup ??? > > What I want to do is avoid backing up a directory tree when I do an > Image. > > Dave. Well, I haven't tried it, but I guess it would either have zero effect or just skip copying the contents of the .DIR;1 file to the save set (if pressed I'd guess the former). Try it on a small scratch disk (small amount of data on the disk, not necessarily a small disk) and report back. It seems to me that the purpose of SET FILE/NOBACKUP is for things like pagefiles and swapfiles whose data need not be backed up. The file header is still backed up so that the file can be restored during a BACKUP restore operation, but this will just create a new file of the same name, size, and atributes, but not restore any data to the file. For page- and swapfiles this is perfectly fine and shortens your BACKUP save and copy operations by not saving or copying data that will never be read. AEF ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 07:22:35 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: In article <1185447101.662211.267030@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, BaxterD@tessco.com writes: > What is the effect of setting a top level directory to / > NoBackup ??? > > What I want to do is avoid backing up a directory tree when I do an > Image. For an /IMAGE backup you cannot exclude a directory tree that way. You'd need to mark each file in the tree /NOBACKUP. You see, in an /IMAGE backup, BACKUP walks the directory tree and backs up all the files there. Then at the end of the directory tree walk, BACKUP /IMAGE goes back through INDEXF.SYS looking for files that weren't backed up during the directory walk. It then backs those files up as well. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:34:37 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: <1185453277.015890.262690@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 26, 8:22 am, bri...@encompasserve.org wrote: > In article <1185447101.662211.267...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Baxt...@tessco.com writes: > > What is the effect of setting a top level directory to / > > NoBackup ??? > > > What I want to do is avoid backing up a directory tree when I do an > > Image. > > For an /IMAGE backup you cannot exclude a directory tree that way. You'd > need to mark each file in the tree /NOBACKUP. > > You see, in an /IMAGE backup, BACKUP walks the directory tree and backs > up all the files there. Then at the end of the directory tree walk, > BACKUP /IMAGE goes back through INDEXF.SYS looking for files that weren't > backed up during the directory walk. It then backs those files up as well. While doing that will prevent BACKUP from saving the data in these files, it will still save all the file headers which will be used to create the same files during a restore operation except that the files will be filled with random junk data. I just tried a non-image BACKUP save operation on a directory tree with one subdirectory thereof marked NOBACKUP. The files in the marked subdirectory were still saved but I could not determine from this whether the contents of the marked .DIR;1 file were saved or not. Determining that would be more involved. AEF ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 08:21:01 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: In article , briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > > For an /IMAGE backup you cannot exclude a directory tree that way. You'd > need to mark each file in the tree /NOBACKUP. > > You see, in an /IMAGE backup, BACKUP walks the directory tree and backs > up all the files there. Then at the end of the directory tree walk, > BACKUP /IMAGE goes back through INDEXF.SYS looking for files that weren't > backed up during the directory walk. It then backs those files up as well. Even then, you will see the files in the save set and restoring the files will recreate them, but empty. /NOBACKUP means don't save the data. All the meta-data needed to recreate the empty file is saved. That way when you do a backup and restore of a system disk you don't save useless data like the contents of a pagefile, but the new disk will have the correctly sized pagefile. This is, of course, a hell of a lot faster than saving and restoring data you don't need. I used to use this on .OBJ and .OLB files in a development tree to save a couple TK70 on my MVII. On the rare occasion that my 3rd part disk drives let me down I restored the disk, we ran the build procedure, and then we purged the empty files. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:49:17 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: <46A8A65D.6080902@comcast.net> BaxterD@tessco.com wrote: > What is the effect of setting a top level directory to / > NoBackup ??? > > What I want to do is avoid backing up a directory tree when I do an > Image. > > Dave. > I'd say that it depends on your backup command. If you are doing an IMAGE backup, the directory will not be backed up but the contents will be because an IMAGE backup uses INDEXF.SYS to find the files to back up. To avoid backing up anything in or under the directory in question you would need to do a SET FILE /NOBACKUP for each and every file! I'd be VERY careful playing around with this; you might need to restore those files someday!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:07:58 -0400 From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: BaxterD@tessco.com wrote: > What is the effect of setting a top level directory to / > NoBackup ??? Well, you could construct a little LD disk and try it. > What I want to do is avoid backing up a directory tree when I do an > Image. BACKUP /IMAGE means operating on the whole disk, and there are no file selectors. As others have stated, you can use /NOBACKUP to avoid storing the contents of a file; the file header and its existence gets copied. You can also use a file-oriented BACKUP and /EXCLUDE. Or you can move the bits in question off the particular disk. Image is a whole-disk operation; it gets all the file data. (After you've run with Standalone BACKUP, you realize why the "image" was built this way. Well, that and the original goal was to get the whole disk quickly, and based on internal knowledge of the file system that gets built into BACKUP.) What might you be up to here? I'm assuming there's rather more to the situation than BACKUP arcana, either with disk data that should not be on the tape due to storage capacity limits or due to the sensitive nature of the data, or some particular other background; two-line questions are surprisingly difficult to answer. -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:15:29 GMT From: Chris Sharman Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: Stephen Hoffman wrote: > What might you be up to here? I'm assuming there's rather more to the > situation than BACKUP arcana, either with disk data that should not be > on the tape due to storage capacity limits or due to the sensitive > nature of the data, or some particular other background; two-line > questions are surprisingly difficult to answer. Indeed. If you're trying to avoid backing up [vms$common...] and [sys0.syscommon...] redundantly, /image does that (and so does /fast). I use /nobackup on large application generated files (postscript) - they're comparatively easy to recreate, and represent a significant chunk of disk space, so I altered the application to create them with /nobackup set (through a $xab bit, iirc). If you're trying to avoid backing up a lot of data, /nobackup on the datafiles may be the way to go; if you're trying to avoid backup of a very large number of small files, /fast/exclude may be better - you'd have to compare performance with /image. /image will even back up files which aren't entered in directories, I believe, so marking a directory /nobackup is unlikely to achieve much. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:41:51 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Set File /NoBackup Message-ID: <1185464511.526325.227460@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 26, 9:49 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Baxt...@tessco.com wrote: > > What is the effect of setting a top level directory to / > > NoBackup ??? > > > What I want to do is avoid backing up a directory tree when I do an > > Image. > > > Dave. > > I'd say that it depends on your backup command. If you are doing an > IMAGE backup, the directory will not be backed up but the contents will > be because an IMAGE backup uses INDEXF.SYS to find the files to back up. Have you checked this? For non-directory files it is certainly true that the data are not backed up (while the metadata still is) but .DIR; 1 files are special. (For example, they are saved [data included] even if you /EXCLUDE them in a non-image BACKUP save operation.) I wouldn't be surprised either way. [...] AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:28:51 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: TCPware SMTP logging question Message-ID: <1185456531.206185.32070@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com> First off, I'm running OpenVMS-8.2 with TCPware-5.7-2 I am trying to debug some SMTP problems (something has changed in our corporate email servers) and I want to enable SMTP logging. The TCPware Management Guide states that if logical TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG is not defined then logging defaults to TCPWARE:TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG.quename (but I can't find these logs) So I defined the logical as TCPWARE:SMTP_LOG.LOG then restarted the service but still no logs. Is anyone aware of another parameter? Thanks in advance. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 16:35:57 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: TCPware SMTP logging question Message-ID: <46a8cd6d@news.langstoeger.at> In article <1185456531.206185.32070@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: >First off, I'm running OpenVMS-8.2 with TCPware-5.7-2 Upgrade to V8.3 ;-) >I am trying to debug some SMTP problems (something has changed in our >corporate email servers) and I want to enable SMTP logging. The >TCPware Management Guide states that if logical TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG is >not defined then logging defaults to TCPWARE:TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG.quename >(but I can't find these logs) I haven't read the manual, but these logicals seem strange to me... >So I defined the logical as TCPWARE:SMTP_LOG.LOG then restarted the >service but still no logs. Is anyone aware of another parameter? Try $! df SMTP_SERVER_DEBUG TRUE $! df SMTP_SERVER_LOG filespec -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:55:25 -0400 From: "Richard Whalen" Subject: Re: TCPware SMTP logging question Message-ID: "Neil Rieck" wrote in message news:1185456531.206185.32070@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > First off, I'm running OpenVMS-8.2 with TCPware-5.7-2 > > I am trying to debug some SMTP problems (something has changed in our > corporate email servers) and I want to enable SMTP logging. The > TCPware Management Guide states that if logical TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG is > not defined then logging defaults to TCPWARE:TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG.quename > (but I can't find these logs) Logging is only done if TCPWARE_SMTP_SYMBIONT_LOG is defined and it is done to TCPWARE:TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG.queuename if TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG is not defined. There is no need to restart the SMTP symbiont after defining (/system) TCPWARE_SMTP_SYMBIONT_LOG; it will start logging on the next message that is processed. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 17:09:27 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: TCPware SMTP logging question Message-ID: <46a8d547$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <46a8cd6d@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) writes: >In article <1185456531.206185.32070@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Neil Rieck writes: >>First off, I'm running OpenVMS-8.2 with TCPware-5.7-2 > >Upgrade to V8.3 ;-) > >>I am trying to debug some SMTP problems (something has changed in our >>corporate email servers) and I want to enable SMTP logging. The >>TCPware Management Guide states that if logical TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG is >>not defined then logging defaults to TCPWARE:TCPWARE_SMTP_LOG.quename >>(but I can't find these logs) > >I haven't read the manual, but these logicals seem strange to me... > >>So I defined the logical as TCPWARE:SMTP_LOG.LOG then restarted the >>service but still no logs. Is anyone aware of another parameter? > >Try > >$! df SMTP_SERVER_DEBUG TRUE >$! df SMTP_SERVER_LOG filespec Oops. Sorry. You need the other ones (for outgoing mails): $! df SMTP_SYMBIONT_DEBUG TRUE $! df SMTP_SYMBIONT_LOG filespec -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:15:24 -0700 From: "george.pagliarulo@hp.com" Subject: Re: Upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 - Copy from Disk to tape taking a long time. time. Message-ID: <1185452124.060098.271400@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Hi, As Sue said, it has been reported to Engineering. A fix has been developed which will ship in the VMS83I_RMS-V0300 and VMS83A_RMS-V0300 patch kits. They are going to engineering test today and should be shipped within a week or so. George Pagliarulo ECO Release Process OpenVMS Sustaining Engineering ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:20:58 -0400 From: "Ken Farmer" Subject: Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Message-ID: <46a84b59$0$4865$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:d8238$46a7f2df$cef8887a$28038@TEKSAVVY.COM... > Ken Farmer wrote: >> Special thanks to Jeff Palmer and Greg Freeman of the band Checksum for >> letting VAU use cuts from their CD Grey Ghost royalty free. > > Does this mean that the RIAA will not attempt to sue anyone listening to > this music ? Or would they complain that since they were not involved in > this transaction, the later cannot possibly be legitimate and hence it > would be justified in sending its laywer hounds after listeners ? > > :-) :-) :-) I really don't know enough to discuss it intelligently, just barely enough to stay out of trouble...I think. Marty is buddies with these guys and I believe they appreciate the exposure. Homepage: http://www.checksummusic.com/ Buy "Grey Ghost": http://cdbaby.com/cd/checksum Ken __________________________________ Kenneth R. Farmer < 336-736-7376 www.OpenVMS.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:46:21 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Message-ID: <1Y_pi.2$r95.0@newsfe12.lga> In article <46A80DB2.4050302@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > >JF Mezei wrote: >> Ken Farmer wrote: >> >>> Special thanks to Jeff Palmer and Greg Freeman of the band Checksum >>> for letting VAU use cuts from their CD Grey Ghost royalty free. >> >> >> Does this mean that the RIAA will not attempt to sue anyone listening to >> this music ? Or would they complain that since they were not involved in >> this transaction, the later cannot possibly be legitimate and hence it >> would be justified in sending its laywer hounds after listeners ? >> >> :-) :-) :-) > > >It depends on who OWNS the Copyright or, perhaps, who has been granted a >license to use the Copyrighted material. If Jeff and Greg own the >rights or have authority to act for those who do, the RIAA has nothing >to say about it! > >I'm hardly an expert but I believe that RIAA is "Recording Industry >Artists Association" and that it manages copyright licensing on behalf RIAA is the Recording Industry Association of America. It represents recording labels and distributors and not the artists who created the music. >of its members. If a radio station wants to play a copyrighted >selection, they might go to the RIAA for permission to play it. They >would pay a royalty for each time it was played on the air. The RIAA >would collect a percentage for its services and pay the balance to the >artists. > >The RIAA does not have exclusive rights in this field. I just checked a >small sample and found "(C) Angel Records" on some of my recordings. If >I were a broadcaster and wanted to broadcast such a recording I would >need permission from Angel and would almost certainly have to pay for >the privilege, just as I would if the RIAA held, or managed, the copyright. Not necessarily true if Angel Records is a member of the RIAA. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:53:08 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #10 available... Message-ID: In article <46a84b59$0$4865$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "Ken Farmer" writes: > > >"JF Mezei" wrote in message >news:d8238$46a7f2df$cef8887a$28038@TEKSAVVY.COM... >> Ken Farmer wrote: >>> Special thanks to Jeff Palmer and Greg Freeman of the band Checksum for >>> letting VAU use cuts from their CD Grey Ghost royalty free. >> >> Does this mean that the RIAA will not attempt to sue anyone listening to >> this music ? Or would they complain that since they were not involved in >> this transaction, the later cannot possibly be legitimate and hence it >> would be justified in sending its laywer hounds after listeners ? >> >> :-) :-) :-) > > >I really don't know enough to discuss it intelligently, just barely enough >to stay out of trouble...I think. > >Marty is buddies with these guys and I believe they appreciate the exposure. 100s, maybe 1000s, of artists rely on exposure by Internet Radio every day. Independent from large labels and the RIAA, they have been made victims by the RIAA in the latest royalty rate increases which threaten the existence of internet radio. I know 100s of bands that would love musical exposure just about anywhere. Most of them have gone the route of the self-distribution model; thus, the RIAA does not figure into it. >Homepage: http://www.checksummusic.com/ >Buy "Grey Ghost": http://cdbaby.com/cd/checksum A plug. I hope they enjoy it. I'm going to check them out and, perhaps, I can get them some air time on Aural Moon. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 13:34:14 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: <5grm6lF3h2n07U2@mid.individual.net> In article , "Paul Raulerson" writes: > ----=_vm_0011_W8194019419_8437_1185382023 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > LOL! I would have guessed it to be an acronym as well - it is always > written as GEM, not as Gem. That usually indicates something special > about the word, such as it being an Acronym. :) Or it indicates a system that doesn't have lowercase, like VMS. :-) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 2007 12:39:01 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What does GEM mean? Message-ID: In article <5grm6lF3h2n07U2@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Or it indicates a system that doesn't have lowercase, like VMS. :-) Poor joke. In 1978 VMS was the first system I used where I knew I could use lowercase and actually did. I suspect I could have gotten away with it on my PDP-10, but none of the manuals demonstrated it and most of our terminals didn't have it. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.406 ************************