INFO-VAX Mon, 23 Jul 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 399 Contents: Bob Hassinger: if you're still around here Re: HBA for zx2000 Re: HBA for zx2000 Re: July the 4th Re: Upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 - Copy from Disk to tape taking a long time. time. Re: Upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 - Copy from Disk to tape taking a long time. time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:32:40 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Bob Hassinger: if you're still around here Message-ID: could you get in touch with Stan Rabinowitz at Stan.Rabinowitz(at)comcast.net (or if anyone here knows how to reach Bob, could you forward this?) Thanks, - bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:48:24 +0200 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: HBA for zx2000 Message-ID: <46a3a683$0$320$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> SDA> fc set dev fga0 SDA> fc ring/full SDA> fc set dev fgb0 etc. There's no help other than entering FC without any parameters. I can give you the source but that's probably not gonna help you :-) If the errorcount is non-zero there should be something in the errorlog. Jur. Tom Linden wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:05:06 -0700, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at > digiater dot nl"> wrote: > >> > So maybe one is bad. I'll try swapping out the transceiver. >> >> The errorlog may reveal more info. Or try this: > nothing in errorlog >> >> $ ana/sys >> SDA> fc ring /full [/slow] >> >> But that might need more than average knowledge to interpret >> (which I might have since I wrote part of the code). > > Didn't learn anything from that > > SDA> fc ring/full pgb0: > SDA> fc ring/full pga0: > SDA> > > SDA> help fc > Sorry, no documentation on FC > > >> >> Jur. >> >> >> Tom Linden wrote: >>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:32:50 -0700, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at >>> digiater dot nl"> wrote: >>> >>>> It should work right out of the box. >>>> >>>> Jur. >>> Thanks, it did. I put in 2 HBA's for which I had previously updated >>> the firmware, >>> one for each switch, but >>> Device Device Error >>> Name Status Count >>> PGA0: Offline 1 >>> PGB0: Online 0 >>> So maybe one is bad. I'll try swapping out the transceiver. >>> BTW, I give this node a nonroutable alias using ifconfig, but it isn't >>> persistent across boots. How do you do that? >>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:53:07 -0700, Stephen Hoffman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>>>>> In the Alphas I use Emulex LP8000, aka KGPSA-C, which are running >>>>>>> the latest firmware. >>>>>>> Will these work in an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS >>>>>>> V8.3? >>>>>> >>>>>> You have a Fibre Channel widget and a 900 MHz McKinley zx2000 and >>>>>> an interest in connecting this box to a FC SAN using OpenVMS I64 >>>>>> V8.3. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's more than I can say is likely available in most other >>>>>> localities in the known universe. (I'd be mildly surprised if >>>>>> anybody has even tried this particular combination.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Suggestion: try it. Post up an answer here and let us know the >>>>>> results of your tests. >>>>>> >>>>> I will try when we complete some lengthy ongoing tests. Any >>>>> special incantations >>>>> needed to bring up the HBA? >>>>> >>> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:22:56 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: HBA for zx2000 Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:48:24 -0700, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote: > SDA> fc set dev fga0 > SDA> fc ring/full > SDA> fc set dev fgb0 > > etc. > > There's no help other than entering FC without any parameters. I can > give you the source but that's probably not gonna help you :-) > > If the errorcount is non-zero there should be something in the errorlog. > > Jur. How do you look at the errorlog on Itanium? Things have changed. > > > Tom Linden wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:05:06 -0700, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at >> digiater dot nl"> wrote: >> >>> > So maybe one is bad. I'll try swapping out the transceiver. >>> >>> The errorlog may reveal more info. Or try this: >> nothing in errorlog >>> >>> $ ana/sys >>> SDA> fc ring /full [/slow] >>> >>> But that might need more than average knowledge to interpret >>> (which I might have since I wrote part of the code). >> Didn't learn anything from that >> SDA> fc ring/full pgb0: >> SDA> fc ring/full pga0: >> SDA> >> SDA> help fc >> Sorry, no documentation on FC >> >>> >>> Jur. >>> >>> >>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:32:50 -0700, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at >>>> digiater dot nl"> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It should work right out of the box. >>>>> >>>>> Jur. >>>> Thanks, it did. I put in 2 HBA's for which I had previously updated >>>> the firmware, >>>> one for each switch, but >>>> Device Device Error >>>> Name Status Count >>>> PGA0: Offline 1 >>>> PGB0: Online 0 >>>> So maybe one is bad. I'll try swapping out the transceiver. >>>> BTW, I give this node a nonroutable alias using ifconfig, but it >>>> isn't >>>> persistent across boots. How do you do that? >>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:53:07 -0700, Stephen Hoffman >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom Linden wrote: >>>>>>>> In the Alphas I use Emulex LP8000, aka KGPSA-C, which are running >>>>>>>> the latest firmware. >>>>>>>> Will these work in an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS >>>>>>>> V8.3? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You have a Fibre Channel widget and a 900 MHz McKinley zx2000 and >>>>>>> an interest in connecting this box to a FC SAN using OpenVMS I64 >>>>>>> V8.3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's more than I can say is likely available in most other >>>>>>> localities in the known universe. (I'd be mildly surprised if >>>>>>> anybody has even tried this particular combination.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Suggestion: try it. Post up an answer here and let us know the >>>>>>> results of your tests. >>>>>>> >>>>>> I will try when we complete some lengthy ongoing tests. Any >>>>>> special incantations >>>>>> needed to bring up the HBA? >>>>>> >>>> >> -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:42:16 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: July the 4th Message-ID: <1185158536.821334.227480@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 16, 8:51 am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1184193800.548881.264...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > >On Jul 11, 11:50 am, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 07/11/07 07:42, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > >> > In article <1184115111.488306.300...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > >> > Doug Phillips writes: > >> >> On Jul 10, 5:55 pm, Dirk Munk wrote: > >> >>> JF Mezei wrote: > >> >>>> Ron Johnson wrote: > >> >>>>> When Al Qaeda bombs a marketplace in Iraq, how is that "just" > >> >>>>> resistance by another name? > >> [snip] > >[...] > >> > If the military was allowed to do what the military is supposed to do > >> > the war would have ended within months of the original invasion. When > >> > you allow your enemy to keep his weapons and ammunition because his > >> > "culture" requires him to celebrate weddings bu shooting randomly into > >> > the air how do you stop the fighting? > > >> Hearts and minds, Bill. Hearts and minds. > > >> The big problem is that big armies (especially, AFAICT, the US > >> military) are not designed for "destroy the enemy without destroying > >> the populous". > > >> Not that I think such a task is possible unless the civilian > >> population really wants it to happen. > > >Let's take a look at two success stories: Germany and Japan. We beat > >them in a war. We bombed Germany. We dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. > >Germany was run by Nazis and now it's a democracy with a large > >economy. Japan was under an emperor and is now a democracy with a > >large economy. Both were guilty of unspeakable cruelties and mass > >murder. And now we're all chums, relatively speaking. > > Germany was a democracy before Hitler came to power. Hitler and the Nazi party > initially came to power through democratic elections. > > The first Japanese General Election took place on July 1st 1890. > The electorate at that time being limited to men who paid more than a certain > amount of tax. This was gradually relaxed and all men over the age of 25 could > vote in elections from 1925 onwards see > > http://www.jiyuu-shikan.org/e/democracy.html > > (There was no female suffrage but that was hardly unusual for pre-war > democracies). > > Hence for both Germany and Japan the rebuilding of Democracy after the war was > just tinkering with a system which had existed in the years immediately prior > to the war and which had been derailed by the economic and political pressures > of the 1930s. But during the war there was no such democracy to tinker with. You actually had to bring it back, which seems quite non-trivial to me. And if we fought the Axis the way we fight in Iraq, well, things would be different. So I guess what you're saying is the fact that there were recent democracies in these countries before the war made it easier to make them democracies after the war. Fine, but we had to decisively win the war first, of course, which is a lot more than just "tinkering". > > David Webb [...] AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:26:20 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 - Copy from Disk to tape taking a long time. time. Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 000269A085257321_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote on 07/20/2007 01:16:06 PM: > What copy command? If you really use copy then yes, this is caused by a bug. > As far as I know RMS now sets the 'rewind on close' bit for tapes too (which > is a mistake) causing a rewind to happen after every file. > > It's even more fun that that, it does a PACKACK after each file (as I found > out when developing tape support for LDdriver. > Please say that you have reported these behaviors. They seem "way not trivial!" > Jur. > > Chuck Aaron wrote: > > I just upgraded from 7.3-2 to 8.3 and a copy of large files > > from disk to tape is now taking 1 hr and under 7.3-2 10min. > > dlt 8000 is scsi connected directly to back of alpha ds25 > > server. Same Machine. > > > > Thanks. --=_alternative 000269A085257321_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"



Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote on 07/20/2007 01:16:06 PM:

> What copy command? If you really use copy then yes, this is caused by a bug.
> As far as I know RMS now sets the 'rewind on close' bit for tapes too (which
> is a mistake) causing a rewind to happen after every file.
>
> It's even more fun that that, it does a PACKACK after each file (as I found
> out when developing tape support for LDdriver.
>


Please say that you have reported these behaviors.  They seem "way not trivial!"

> Jur.
>
> Chuck Aaron wrote:
> > I just upgraded from 7.3-2 to 8.3 and a copy of large files
> > from disk to tape is now taking 1 hr and under 7.3-2 10min.
> > dlt 8000 is scsi connected directly to back of alpha ds25
> > server. Same Machine.
> >
> > Thanks.
--=_alternative 000269A085257321_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 06:49:56 +0200 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: Upgrade from 7.3-2 to 8.3 - Copy from Disk to tape taking a long time. time. Message-ID: <46a4337f$0$79139$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> > Please say that you have reported these behaviors. They seem "way not > trivial!" I would have if I could. Although I worked for OpenVMS engineering I have not been able to report bugs the official way, and believe me I tried. Talking about burocracy. But the bug is known in engineering via an unofficial way. Jur. norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > > > > > Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote on 07/20/2007 > 01:16:06 PM: > > > What copy command? If you really use copy then yes, this is caused by > a bug. > > As far as I know RMS now sets the 'rewind on close' bit for tapes too > (which > > is a mistake) causing a rewind to happen after every file. > > > > It's even more fun that that, it does a PACKACK after each file (as I > found > > out when developing tape support for LDdriver. > > > > Please say that you have reported these behaviors. They seem "way not > trivial!" > > > Jur. > > > > Chuck Aaron wrote: > > > I just upgraded from 7.3-2 to 8.3 and a copy of large files > > > from disk to tape is now taking 1 hr and under 7.3-2 10min. > > > dlt 8000 is scsi connected directly to back of alpha ds25 > > > server. Same Machine. > > > > > > Thanks. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.399 ************************