INFO-VAX Sat, 09 Jun 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 314 Contents: Re: Bandwidth Test Re: Bandwidth Test Re: Bandwidth Test Hobbyist License Problems Re: Hobbyist License Problems Re: Hobbyist License Problems latest update patch again Re: OpenVMS Support for C-class Blades OT: Lightning & Time to buy lottery tickets Re: OT: Question to Bob Re: OT: Question to Bob Re: OT: Question to Bob RE: porting ignorance (was Re: Story Time) Re: porting ignorance (was Re: Story Time) Re: porting ignorance (was Re: Story Time) RE: Story Time Re: Story Time Re: Story Time RE: Story Time Re: Story Time Re: Story Time Re: Story Time Re: Thin wire Coax Ethernet on Alpha Re: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char RE: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char Re: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char Re: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:05:54 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: Bandwidth Test Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: > >> There are numerous sites that allow one to measure up and down link >> speeds >> using a browser, of course. Any tools available to do the same from DCL? >> Or perhaps an executable? > > > I have not found any java test which works on VMS. Besides, I would > expect the java to be the bottleneck, not the tcpip link :-) I just went to dslreports.com, clicked on tools, then speed tests, and picked the net@access java speed test (2nd on list, 1st one required registration/membership.) It worked fine. I'm using Mozilla 1.7.13 on I64 VMS V8.3, Java 1.5.0-1. > > I use > $show time > $fetch_http nla0: -b > $show time > > This gives me the HTTP response header with the file size. And I then > calculate the speed based on the delta time from the 2 times shown. > > These bandwidth tests download pretty simple files. > > For instance: > > archive="speedtest.jar" code=" > Speed" width=400 height=150> > > > > > > > > in this case, you can fetch http://speedtest.teksavvy.com/6000k > > I haven't yet found out how these guys test the other direction though. > > (this is a pretty standard java test that is fairly widely used by many > ISPs). -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:08:38 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Bandwidth Test Message-ID: John Santos wrote: > I just went to dslreports.com, clicked on tools, then speed tests, and > picked the net@access java speed test (2nd on list, 1st one required > registration/membership.) It worked fine. I'm using Mozilla 1.7.13 > on I64 VMS V8.3, Java 1.5.0-1. Yeah, but remember that I live in a different universe where things don't work the same way. For me, the Java logo appears (indicating that Java is trying to load an applet, but then it says something like Applet load failed and the Java logo remins, but with the red "X" on the upper left corner. Secure Web Browser V1.7-13 is based on Mozilla 1.7.13 on Alpha. $ java -version java version "1.5.0" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition Classic VM (build 1.5.0-2, 08/14/2006-23:30, native threads, jit) This is on an Alpha. VMS 8.3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 06:10:19 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Bandwidth Test Message-ID: On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:05:54 -0700, John Santos wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: >> Tom Linden wrote: >> >>> There are numerous sites that allow one to measure up and down link = = >>> speeds >>> using a browser, of course. Any tools available to do the same from= = >>> DCL? >>> Or perhaps an executable? >> I have not found any java test which works on VMS. Besides, I would= = >> expect the java to be the bottleneck, not the tcpip link :-) > > I just went to dslreports.com, clicked on tools, then speed tests, and= > picked the net@access java speed test (2nd on list, 1st one required > registration/membership.) It worked fine. I'm using Mozilla 1.7.13 > on I64 VMS V8.3, Java 1.5.0-1. > I don't have a browser on VMS > >> I use >> $show time >> $fetch_http nla0: -b >> $show time >> This gives me the HTTP response header with the file size. And I the= n = >> calculate the speed based on the delta time from the 2 times shown. >> These bandwidth tests download pretty simple files. >> For instance: >> > archive=3D"speedtest.jar" code=3D" >> Speed" width=3D400 height=3D150> >> = >> > value=3D"http://speedtest.teksavvy.com/upload.cgi"> >> >> >> >> >> in this case, you can fetch http://speedtest.teksavvy.com/6000k >> I haven't yet found out how these guys test the other direction thou= gh. >> (this is a pretty standard java test that is fairly widely used by = >> many ISPs). > > -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:43:50 GMT From: "Robert Jarratt" Subject: Hobbyist License Problems Message-ID: I have just started running OpenVMS 7.3 under the hobbyist program (it is nearly 20 years since I last used VMS). I have successfully registered licenses and installed the software for C 6.4, C++ 5.6 and Pascal 5.8. However, I have also registered licenses for ADA, BASIC and FORTRAN, but when I install those products (ADA 3.5, BASIC 3.9 and FORTRAN 6.6) they complain that they are not licensed. Given that I have successfully licensed VMS and the other products I don't think that it is something wrong with my procedure (which is just to cut and paste the LICENSE command from the hobbylist license email). Any suggestions as to what the problem might be? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:29:18 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Hobbyist License Problems Message-ID: <1181406558.522618.175950@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Did you load (LIC LOAD) the licences after doing the LICENCE REGISTER commands ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:38:36 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Hobbyist License Problems Message-ID: In article , "Robert Jarratt" wrote: > I have just started running OpenVMS 7.3 under the hobbyist program (it is > nearly 20 years since I last used VMS). I have successfully registered > licenses and installed the software for C 6.4, C++ 5.6 and Pascal 5.8. > However, I have also registered licenses for ADA, BASIC and FORTRAN, but > when I install those products (ADA 3.5, BASIC 3.9 and FORTRAN 6.6) they > complain that they are not licensed. Given that I have successfully licensed > VMS and the other products I don't think that it is something wrong with my > procedure (which is just to cut and paste the LICENSE command from the > hobbylist license email). > > Any suggestions as to what the problem might be? > From a suitably privileged account: $ LICENSE LOAD This will be done automatically as part of the boot process, so you don't need to insert it into any startup files. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 08:14:46 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: latest update patch again Message-ID: The latest update patch for 7.3-2 is out. Assuming (which is a safe assumption) that it contains no patches which haven't already been released individually, I already have all the patches it contains, and more. So, no need to install it. But, when I need to install the next patch which needs a reboot, I will be forced to install it, even though it contains nothing I need. On a relatively slow machine we are talking half an hour or so. George recently explained why this is difficult to avoid. However, it does illustrate the problem. I think, in this case, that it WOULD solve a lot of time if it installed only stuff with a higher generation number, not higher or same (of course, it never installs stuff with a lower generation number). Is there a technical reason this can't be done? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:26:45 -0400 From: Joel Loveless Subject: Re: OpenVMS Support for C-class Blades Message-ID: <4idl63thio4veqkhbh0edimh4hstft6ci2@4ax.com> On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:30:43 GMT, rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) wrote: >In article , "Martin Vorlaender" > wrote: > >>JF Mezei wrote: >>> Does anyone know if they have added specific support for cluster >>> interconnect between IA64 cards in a c-class box ? Or is it still just >>> ethernet through the normal ethernet cards assigned to each slot in the >>> C box ? >> >>That specific question came up in one of the bootcamp's blade sessions. >>IIRC, there's no support for an in-box interconnect. > >The in-box ethernet interconnect is supported. > >What other in-box interconnect are folks talking about here? I attended a recent Encompass meeting where we were presented with information about the C class blade systems. One of the topics that came up was the ability to create virtual network adaptors to be used by systems internal to the C class chassis. As long as VMS supports this adaptor type as indicated by previous posting, cluster interconnects will function using the blade backplane connectivity. The backplane speeds were indicated to be in the terabyte bandwidths. We can only imagine how well VMS would perform in this configuration. Joel Loveless ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:26:46 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: Lightning & Time to buy lottery tickets Message-ID: <8bf7c$466a482b$cef8887a$19900@TEKSAVVY.COM> At about 22:57, there was a big bang, flash of light, all the relays on the old DEC power supplied clicked, smoke came out of the computer cabinet, but lights then remained on. Lightning hit about 30m from our house on a 12kv line that feeds a townhouse complex across the street from our backdoor neighbours. Thankfully, there is a fuse between the point of lighting strike and the upstream 12kv line that also feeds our house and it blew, but not before allowing some of the surve to propagate on the 12kv line. That pole is less than 5m from our backdoor neighbour's house. 4 ports on the cisco switch remain amber and are not working. One of those ports was unused. One was connected to an IMAC on the top floor (long ethernet cable). The imac's ethernet appears blown. My guess is that a surge happened either on the imac or on the ethernet cable itseld (electromagnetic stuff on a long wire) which burned the imac's ethernet interface and the cisco switch's ports. (I would assume the switch is built with hardware for each group of 4 ports). Question: Is it more likely that the imac funneled a power surge to the ethernet, or is it likely that the nearby lighting caused a current to flow on the long ethernet cable, burning the ethernet interfaces at both ends ? The DSL modem retained DSL sync, but the PPPoE session was zapped when the cisco switch went down and the router couldn't talk to the modem. I haven't checked my lottery ticket (drawn 2 hours before lightning), but I guess I should be a winner :-) That telephone pole is amongst trees that separate our properties from a park where there are very tall poles for park lighting. Always though lightning would hit the tall park lights instead of hitting the shorter trees next to us. And the lightning did not hit the pole at its tallest portion. On top is the relatively thin 12Kv line. It then goes down underground to the nearby townhouse complex. A fuse links the thin overhead line to a thicker insulated cable that goes underground to the townhouse complex. Lighthning hit that insulated cable just before it goes in the metal conduit that brings it underground. Initially, it was thought lightning had hit the townhouse complex and firetrucks were called in. But no visible damage was found. This is "act of god",( probably because I asked Bob a difficult question ;-) so the odds of getting any money back are quite low. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:18:13 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Question to Bob Message-ID: In article <1181338337.766448.28140@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Doug Phillips writes: >On Jun 8, 2:54 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" >wrote: >> JF Mezei wrote: >> > > > resolve some conundrum asked by kirk> >> >> > Mr Bob, >> >> > If humans are a creation of god, would you agree that it is an exquisite >> > work of art ? >> >> > If the human body is a work of art created by god, how come people hide >> > this work of art with clothes ? >> >> > Shouldn't everyone be walking around totally naked everywhere in order >> > to honour God's work instead of being ashamed of it and trying to hide >> > it ? Isn't it insulting to God that we would be ashamed of his creation ? >> >> > And, yes, that even includes being naked at the supermarket checkout >> > counter. >> >> PLEASE!!! Have you looked at the women in the supermarket lately? >> There are damned few that anyone would want to see naked! They're bad >> enough with clothes ON!! > >Yuck! Double Yuck! I think I could deal with most naked women, but a >vision of all the naked hairy pot-bellied men just flashed through my >mind. Triple Yuck! > >Actually JF, if you read Genesis, it wasn't until Adam & Eve ate the >forbidden fruit that they became ashamed and felt the need to cover >themselves. > >That's the story, anyway, and that's what bob will probably say. But I think the question being asked is why eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil should result in Adam and Eve feeling ashamed of their nakedness ? What is inherently evil about the naked human body ? >Some >other religions have similar stories, and some people do run around >fairly naked. The need to protect ones sensitive areas from harm, >though, is just a common sense thing. > True but it is interesting that in Genesis Adam and Eve are afraid because of their nakedness not because they have disobeyed God Genesis 3:10 (Adam talking to God) " And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. " David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:15:25 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: OT: Question to Bob Message-ID: In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > > True but it is interesting that in Genesis Adam and Eve are afraid because > of their nakedness not because they have disobeyed God > > Genesis 3:10 (Adam talking to God) > > " > And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was > naked; and I hid myself. > " Too much junk food and not enough exercise? -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:54:38 -0700 From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: OT: Question to Bob Message-ID: <1181408078.160581.117090@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jun 9, 10:18 am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1181338337.766448.28...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Doug Phillips writes: > > > > >On Jun 8, 2:54 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > >wrote: > >> JF Mezei wrote: > >> > >> > resolve some conundrum asked by kirk> > > >> > Mr Bob, > > >> > If humans are a creation of god, would you agree that it is an exquisite > >> > work of art ? > > >> > If the human body is a work of art created by god, how come people hide > >> > this work of art with clothes ? > > >> > Shouldn't everyone be walking around totally naked everywhere in order > >> > to honour God's work instead of being ashamed of it and trying to hide > >> > it ? Isn't it insulting to God that we would be ashamed of his creation ? > > >> > And, yes, that even includes being naked at the supermarket checkout > >> > counter. > > >> PLEASE!!! Have you looked at the women in the supermarket lately? > >> There are damned few that anyone would want to see naked! They're bad > >> enough with clothes ON!! > > >Yuck! Double Yuck! I think I could deal with most naked women, but a > >vision of all the naked hairy pot-bellied men just flashed through my > >mind. Triple Yuck! > > >Actually JF, if you read Genesis, it wasn't until Adam & Eve ate the > >forbidden fruit that they became ashamed and felt the need to cover > >themselves. > > >That's the story, anyway, and that's what bob will probably say. > > But I think the question being asked is why eating the fruit of the tree of > knowledge of good and evil should result in Adam and Eve feeling ashamed of > their nakedness ? It was that damned genetically engineered fruit, I'll bet! Probably screwed up our genes! (So, if God created everything, then that means everything is genetically engineered.) Why did God put a tree like that in the garden in the first place? If God is all knowing and all powerful, didn't he know they'd eat the fruit? And, could Adam really hide from God? So on and so on... Books have been written. The Bible is a morality play. If you start picking apart the logic, you'll miss the story. If you just read the story and try to imagine the way the world was thousands of years ago when it was first told, you find that the logic isn't that important. Whether it's "the divine word of God" or simple wisdom and guidance passed from one generation to the next in a carrot & stick format doesn't change what it says. People will discuss and argue about religion as long as there are people. I'll go out on a limb here and make a prediction: The absolute truth about God will not be discovered within the lifetime of anyone alive today, or any descendant of anyone living today. > What is inherently evil about the naked human body ? > Don't know. Seen some wicked bodies and known some evil people, but never seen an evil body without an evil mind inside. > >Some > >other religions have similar stories, and some people do run around > >fairly naked. The need to protect ones sensitive areas from harm, > >though, is just a common sense thing. > > True but it is interesting that in Genesis Adam and Eve are afraid because > of their nakedness not because they have disobeyed God > > Genesis 3:10 (Adam talking to God) > > " > And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was > naked; and I hid myself. > " There have been many discussions about the interpretation. afraid/ apprehensive/fearful naked/exposed/revealed and on and on. A minor shift in just a few words that have a less than precise meaning anyway can dramatically change the story. Even someone raised speaking two languages often can't precisely translate one to the other. Through how many people has the story passed? Who changed something or tried to clarify a phrase here or there? The original story teller? The following generations who passed the stories on? The first person to write the stories down? The people who transcribed them throughout the ages? The translators? Or maybe it's like the radicals believe: You can't change the words because God would strike you down if you did. Don't know. Don't expect to ever find out. There are subtle differences in cultures that just don't carry over. Even in one's native language certain words defy precise description. The word "love" has a meaning that everyone understands. Yet, countless words have been written about "love" and none have perfectly defined it to everyone's satisfaction. One person's love might be another person's lust or pity or envy or whatever. Reading is a personal experience. We form the book's world in our imagination and though we might all read the same book, our worlds are different. That's what the Bible and other Holy books are all about. Personal. But Adam really thought he could hide from God? What a dork! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 08:07:47 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: porting ignorance (was Re: Story Time) Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: davidc@montagar.com [mailto:davidc@montagar.com] > Sent: June 8, 2007 5:50 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: porting ignorance (was Re: Story Time) >=20 > On Jun 8, 2:21 pm, "John Smith" wrote: > > Not a contest as there's progress to be made in a number of areas. > > > > What's required is a list of all the bits that need to get ported, > then the > > list needs to be prioritized and estimates of the amount of work > that needs > > to be done for each. >=20 > Some contest could still be done, although I think it would have to be > a series of contests at the very least. Since many applications are > layered on the same sets of libraries, it shouldn't be difficult to > identify those key libraries (for instance, the most obvious is libc), > and start from there. For instance, Xpdf is based upon on about 16 > other libraries. Those libraries could be included for a first round > of development, with Xpdf as the goal application. >=20 > Also, I think the concentration on "grey-beards" is a little > misguided. Yes, they should be involved, but we need to encourage new > blood into the VMS camp. By opening up the porting work to colleges > and universities (which can use the Educational License Program for > free, too) we can likely get a lot of work from students trying to > prove their skills, thus introducing them to VMS as well as grooming > the next generation of developers. And also coordinate and take advantage of work already in progress in various areas... Reference: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/ospp_turin.html OpenVMS is the current hot topic among computer engineering students at Italy's Politecnico di Torino, which is the first university to fully implement the HP OpenVMS on Integrity servers Open Source Porting Program. Under the initiative, HP is placing two rx2600 Integrity servers and two Alpha XP1000 workstations at the university to support classroom and graduate projects that port open source applications-typically running on Linux or Open64-to OpenVMS. "It's a great opportunity for Politecnico di Torino and HP," says OpenVMS ambassador Massimo Belloni, "The university students get the chance to use leading-edge equipment and the latest OpenVMS developers' version 8.1 for Integrity servers, and HP gains a range of new, capable applications that run on OpenVMS." In addition, Corporate OpenVMS Engineering and local OpenVMS ambassadors provide direct support to students, preparing them for a successful future in the computer industry. The university is initially focusing on open source compilers and security applications. "Our students are thrilled to be able to consult with HP OpenVMS engineers in Nashua, New Hampshire-very few universities can offer this kind of opportunity," says Vice Chancellor and Professor Marco Mezzalama, "Moreover, OpenVMS has an easy to understand internal structure that makes it an excellent operating system for teaching." As the university ports applications to OpenVMS so that they can run as executables, HP anticipates making these programs available to customers. Regards, Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:05:57 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: porting ignorance (was Re: Story Time) Message-ID: <1181397957.004343.137900@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> as that story mentions VMS I64 V8.1 I suspect is it not from this year. I would be interested to know how they are getting on. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:40:51 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: porting ignorance (was Re: Story Time) Message-ID: In article <1181397957.004343.137900@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, IanMiller wrote: > as that story mentions VMS I64 V8.1 I suspect is it not from this > year. I would be interested to know how they are getting on. Why not pop a question to the folks over on http://it.openvms.org/ ? -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 08:05:01 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: RE: Story Time Message-ID: In article , "Main, Kerry" writes: > Re: Windows GUI for Banner .. exactly what many OpenVMS application > environments have done i.e. rock solid, ultra high security on the back > end with user friendly front ends. > Certainly nothing wrong with this GUI picture. In fact, if the Admin > side has been keeping up, they may even be monitoring and managing the > OpenVMS back end with Java or Windows based GUI's from client side > desktops e.g. Availability Manager or OpenVMS Console Manager or other > client side GUI's available for managing OpenVMS. Why not a graphical front end runnin VMS, e.g. a small, cheap satellite or an X-terminal? Why not a COMPLETE VMS solution, which is possible? Why the need for Windows at all? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:40:26 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Story Time Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article > , > "Main, Kerry" writes: > > > Re: Windows GUI for Banner .. exactly what many OpenVMS application > > environments have done i.e. rock solid, ultra high security on the back > > end with user friendly front ends. > > > Certainly nothing wrong with this GUI picture. In fact, if the Admin > > side has been keeping up, they may even be monitoring and managing the > > OpenVMS back end with Java or Windows based GUI's from client side > > desktops e.g. Availability Manager or OpenVMS Console Manager or other > > client side GUI's available for managing OpenVMS. > > Why not a graphical front end runnin VMS, e.g. a small, cheap satellite > or an X-terminal? Why not a COMPLETE VMS solution, which is possible? > Why the need for Windows at all? A lot of people already have a PC sitting on their desk? Of course, that begs the question of why a lot of people have MS Office on their PCs at all. I suspect that for many, Office only gets used for reading management missives, and isn't necessary for their job function. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:23:15 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Story Time Message-ID: <00A68DE7.2038ADBB@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "P. Sture" writes: > > >In article , > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to > reply) wrote: > >> In article >> , >> "Main, Kerry" writes: >> >> > Re: Windows GUI for Banner .. exactly what many OpenVMS application >> > environments have done i.e. rock solid, ultra high security on the back >> > end with user friendly front ends. >> >> > Certainly nothing wrong with this GUI picture. In fact, if the Admin >> > side has been keeping up, they may even be monitoring and managing the >> > OpenVMS back end with Java or Windows based GUI's from client side >> > desktops e.g. Availability Manager or OpenVMS Console Manager or other >> > client side GUI's available for managing OpenVMS. >> >> Why not a graphical front end runnin VMS, e.g. a small, cheap satellite >> or an X-terminal? Why not a COMPLETE VMS solution, which is possible? >> Why the need for Windows at all? > >A lot of people already have a PC sitting on their desk? There are also a lot of people that do not! I have many machines surrounding me at my desk. I'm proud to state that not a single one of them is a PeeCee! (ie. no Weendoze) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:38:08 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Story Time Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply > [mailto:helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de] > Sent: June 9, 2007 4:05 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: RE: Story Time >=20 > In article > t>, > "Main, Kerry" writes: >=20 > > Re: Windows GUI for Banner .. exactly what many OpenVMS application > > environments have done i.e. rock solid, ultra high security on the > back > > end with user friendly front ends. >=20 > > Certainly nothing wrong with this GUI picture. In fact, if the Admin > > side has been keeping up, they may even be monitoring and managing > the > > OpenVMS back end with Java or Windows based GUI's from client side > > desktops e.g. Availability Manager or OpenVMS Console Manager or > other > > client side GUI's available for managing OpenVMS. >=20 > Why not a graphical front end runnin VMS, e.g. a small, cheap > satellite > or an X-terminal? Why not a COMPLETE VMS solution, which is possible? > Why the need for Windows at all? Availability Manager is Java based and is fully supported on OpenVMS (Alpha and IA64) or Windows platforms. You decide which platform you want to use. Reference: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/index.html=20 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/availman/news.html=20 Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:20:44 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Story Time Message-ID: In article <00A68DE7.2038ADBB@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "P. Sture" > writes: > > > > > >In article , > > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to > > reply) wrote: > > > >> In article > >> , > >> "Main, Kerry" writes: > >> > >> > Re: Windows GUI for Banner .. exactly what many OpenVMS application > >> > environments have done i.e. rock solid, ultra high security on the back > >> > end with user friendly front ends. > >> > >> > Certainly nothing wrong with this GUI picture. In fact, if the Admin > >> > side has been keeping up, they may even be monitoring and managing the > >> > OpenVMS back end with Java or Windows based GUI's from client side > >> > desktops e.g. Availability Manager or OpenVMS Console Manager or other > >> > client side GUI's available for managing OpenVMS. > >> > >> Why not a graphical front end runnin VMS, e.g. a small, cheap satellite > >> or an X-terminal? Why not a COMPLETE VMS solution, which is possible? > >> Why the need for Windows at all? > > > >A lot of people already have a PC sitting on their desk? > > There are also a lot of people that do not! I have many machines surrounding > me at my desk. I'm proud to state that not a single one of them is a PeeCee! > (ie. no Weendoze) Not so many machines here, but also proud to say "no Weendoze", -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:06:25 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Story Time Message-ID: > > Not so many machines here, but also proud to say "no Weendoze", > Which seems nothing but dumb to me. There is clearly a lot of things (in particular on the "desktop") where a Windows PC is a far better choise the any VMS box. In the same way that there are *other* areas where a VMS box is better then a PC, of course. But what the heck have *proud* whis this to do ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:36:04 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Story Time Message-ID: In article , Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > > > > Not so many machines here, but also proud to say "no Weendoze", > > > > Which seems nothing but dumb to me. > There is clearly a lot of things (in particular > on the "desktop") where a Windows PC is a far > better choise the any VMS box. In the same way > that there are *other* areas where a VMS box > is better then a PC, of course. But what the > heck have *proud* whis this to do ? > It's about choice. Pure and simple. I can also argue that a Mac with OS X is a far better choice for many things than a Windows PC. I arrived at my choice after considerable experience with Windows. It was an informed, not dumb, decision. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:58:07 GMT From: Vance Haemmerle Subject: Re: Thin wire Coax Ethernet on Alpha Message-ID: Last month my thinwire connector on my VaxStation 3100/38 died - Broke my cluster. A power cycle did not fix it and the console showed a hardware error "?? 1 00C0 0011.700E". The error indicated that the AUI port was not connected (it wasn't) but I had been using the thinwire and the green light was lit showing the thinwire was selected. Luckly the AUI port still worked so I got a Allied Telesyn CenterCOM AUI-to-Thinwire media converter I had from more than 10 years back and was back in business. I think I only paid about $30 US for it. Vance etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Media Convertors (I think Linksys did one) that had UTP on one side > and BNC the other were available ten years ago, but they were > HORRENDOUSLY expensive! I paid about 70 pounds GB for one just so > that I could have an InfoServer in a company that was determined to go > all UTP. > > Preference would be to trawl for one of the DE4xx series cards like > the DE450. > > Steve > > On 7 Jun, 22:40, dav...@montagar.com wrote: > >>On Jun 7, 12:45 pm, Keith Parris wrote: >> >> >>>Jim Mehlhop wrote: >>> >>>>Anyone know of a particular Ethernet board with Thin Wire Coax (10MB) >>>>connectorr that will run on an Alpha?? >> >>>I believe the DE425, DE435, and DE450 PCI cards would qualify. Check the >>>Supported Options list for the particular Alphaserver model on the HP >>>website. >> >>If you had to, you can get an adapter box with RJ45 on one side and >>RG48 on the other. They used to include those with Alpha's (like the >>DEC 3000's) when there was still a lot of thin-wire infrastructure. I >>probably have one in a closet somewhere... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:23:49 +0200 From: rejoc Subject: Re: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char Message-ID: <466a6396$0$21231$426a74cc@news.free.fr> le 09.06.2007 05:16 Arne Vajhøj a écrit: > > You will need to trim them. > > program test (input, output); > > type > mystring = varying [256] of char; > > var > namepacked : packed array [1..50] of char; > namevary : mystring; > ix : integer; > > begin > > namepacked := 'the cat sat on the mat'; > namevary := namepacked; > ix := namevary.length; > while (ix > 1) and (namevary[ix] = ' ') do ix := ix - 1; to get sure that the right expression of the and won't be evaluated if left part is false, you should use and_then instead of and... (whether both parts are executed or not depends (use to depend?) on the /optimize flag...) > namevary := substr(namevary, 1, ix); > writeln ('Length = ', length(namevary), ' .Length=',namevary.length); > end. > > seems to work ! > > Arne > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:40:44 +0930 From: "Barratt, Chris \(FMC\)" Subject: RE: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char Message-ID: <062C11A882E0C749A3CFD62BA461167A0AD376EB@HADALTMAIL> or use a call to STR$TRIM, rather than code it yourself....=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne@vajhoej.dk]=20 > Sent: Saturday, 9 June 2007 12:46 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char >=20 > stuie_norris@yahoo.com.au wrote: > > I am trying to update a pascal program, with very little pascal > > experience. > >=20 > > The code is full of string of two types - packed array of char and > > varying of char. > >=20 > > Most places it uses packed array of char and then copies this to > > varying of char. > > In the routines that have the varying of char I am trying=20 > to work out > > the length of the string to display nicely. > >=20 > > In the following code I am trying to obtain the the length=20 > the varying > > of char string, that has been 'copied' from packed array of char. > > However I always get 50. > >=20 > > How do I work out the length of the varying of char string?=20 > (I thinks > > 22 is the correct answer) >=20 > > [inherit ('sys$library:starlet', 'sys$library:pascal$lib_routines')] > > program test (input, output); > >=20 > > type > > mystring =3D varying [256] of char; > >=20 > > var > > namepacked : packed array [1..50] of char; > > namevary : mystring; > >=20 > > begin > >=20 > > namepacked :=3D 'the cat sat on the mat'; > > namevary :=3D namepacked; > >=20 > > writeln ('Length =3D ', length(namevary), ' .Length > > =3D',namevary.length); > > end. >=20 > It is correct. You take a fixed length string with 50 chars > and assign ti a variable length string and get 50 chars. >=20 > You will need to trim them. >=20 > program test (input, output); >=20 > type > mystring =3D varying [256] of char; >=20 > var > namepacked : packed array [1..50] of char; > namevary : mystring; > ix : integer; >=20 > begin >=20 > namepacked :=3D 'the cat sat on the mat'; > namevary :=3D namepacked; > ix :=3D namevary.length; > while (ix > 1) and (namevary[ix] =3D ' ') do ix :=3D ix - 1; > namevary :=3D substr(namevary, 1, ix); > writeln ('Length =3D ', length(namevary), '=20 > .Length=3D',namevary.length); > end. >=20 > seems to work ! >=20 > Arne >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 06:26:29 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char Message-ID: On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 01:23:49 -0700, rejoc wrote: > le 09.06.2007 05:16 Arne Vajhøj a écrit: > >> > >> You will need to trim them. >> program test (input, output); >> type >> mystring = varying [256] of char; >> var >> namepacked : packed array [1..50] of char; >> namevary : mystring; >> ix : integer; >> begin >> namepacked := 'the cat sat on the mat'; >> namevary := namepacked; >> ix := namevary.length; >> while (ix > 1) and (namevary[ix] = ' ') do ix := ix - 1; > to get sure that the right expression of the and won't be evaluated if > left part is false, you should use and_then instead of and... > (whether both parts are executed or not depends (use to depend?) on the > /optimize flag...) >> namevary := substr(namevary, 1, ix); >> writeln ('Length = ', length(namevary), ' .Length=',namevary.length); >> end. >> seems to work ! >> Arne >> Or better yet, let the compiler do the work for you HAFNER> create pas.pli T: proc options(main); dcl cv char(256) varying, c char(50); c = 'the cat sat on the mat'; cv = trim(c,' ',' '); put skip list('length = ',length(cv),' cv = ',cv); end T; Exit HAFNER> pli pas HAFNER> link pas HAFNER> run pas length = 22 cv = the cat sat on the mat HAFNER> -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:18:06 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: [Q]Pascal packed arrary of char and varying of char Message-ID: <466ad2b8$0$90265$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> rejoc wrote: > le 09.06.2007 05:16 Arne Vajhøj a écrit: >> ix := namevary.length; >> while (ix > 1) and (namevary[ix] = ' ') do ix := ix - 1; > to get sure that the right expression of the and won't be evaluated if > left part is false, you should use and_then instead of and... > (whether both parts are executed or not depends (use to depend?) on the Ugh. Too long time since I have done serious Pascal programming. :-) Arne ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.314 ************************