INFO-VAX	Fri, 06 Apr 2007	Volume 2007 : Issue 189

   Contents:
Boot Camp Weekly Update April 6
Re: Does traceroute -A ever work ?
ebay item
Re: ebay item
Re: ebay item
Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Re: Looking for print overlay software
Re: Looking for print overlay software
Re: Looking for print overlay software
Re: Looking for print overlay software
Re: Looking for print overlay software
Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
OT: Happy <holliday>
Re: OT: Happy <holliday>
Re: Ping Sue
Re: Ping Sue
Re: Ping Sue
relative directories
Re: relative directories
Re: relative directories
Re: relative directories
Re: relative directories
Re: relative directories
Re: relative directories
Re: relative directories
Re: relative directories
Re: relative directories
TCPIP SMTP: what gets read when?
Re: TCPIP SMTP: what gets read when?
Re: The Wiz
Re: The Wiz
Re: The Wiz
Re: The Wiz
Re: The Wiz
Re: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS
Re: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS
Re: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS
Re: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:00:02 -0700
From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Boot Camp Weekly Update April 6
Message-ID: <1175868002.445042.8220@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

Dear Newsgroup

It is my pleasure to provide this weeks boot camp update.

Web Site with thanks to Warren Sander  http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html

If you visit the web site you will notice that all the key notes are
now public

Monday AM Ann McQuaid - HP OpenVMS General Manager Monday PM Intel
Chip Designs - Cameron McNairy Tuesday AM Customer Presentation
Vodaphone & Logica CMG - Tony Miller/TBD Tuesday PM HP Blade Systems -
Richard Fichera HP Wednesday AM Detailed OpenVMS Roadmaps - Mary Jane
Vazquez and Leo Demers - HP Wednesday PM VMS Info Desk - Guy Peleg and
Friends - Bruden OSSG Thursday AM Using Commercial Technologies to
deliver Military Systems - Catherine Fariz, Northrop Grumman Corp
Thursday PM Engineering Panel - HP Friday AM Possibilities - Chris
Brown - HP

On Tuesday Evening their will be a Partners Roundhouse.  There are
less than 10 tables left with priority given to Partners attending the
Boot Camp.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/roundhouse_signup.html


Scholarships from HP need to be submitted by April 23rd, (see last
weeks VMS Update for more information or send mail)
	2 for folks under 30
	2 for folks willing to do VMS Integrity
	1 hardship

Scholarship from Partners (only one so far)
	1 From Tdi check www.openvms.org for details

Registration
	6 Scholarships
	76 folks registered
	82 seats committed
	118 seats available


Countries Represented
Austria - 1
Belgium - 2
Canada - 3
England - 4
Germany - 8
Greece - 1
Hungary - 1
Ireland - 1
Netherlands -3
Sweden - 8
USA - 44

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 02:53:41 -0700
From: "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: Does traceroute -A ever work ?
Message-ID: <1175766821.679411.291650@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 5, 5:50 pm, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> TCPIP Services, varous versions.
>
> Has anyone ever gotten traceroute -A to work ?
>
> The documentation states that -A will query a whois server to find the AS number
> for each IP. It needs to be accompanied with a -h <whois server>
>
> I tried
>
> $ traceroute -A -h whois.cymru.com  -k 17.112.152.32
>
> And it didn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Is this an unimplemented feature that has remained in the documentation for years ?

Of course you did use "-A" didn't you?

Dave

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 11:50:55 -0700
From: "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" <tomarsin2015@comcast.net>
Subject: ebay item
Message-ID: <1175799055.813012.283840@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320100634058&rd=1&rd=1
Would like input on the item and how better I can improve it.
tks

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:29:00 -0400
From: "Richard B. gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: ebay item
Message-ID: <46154DFC.7040907@comcast.net>

tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320100634058&rd=1&rd=1
> Would like input on the item and how better I can improve it.
> tks
> 

Real VMS people don't say "Open"!

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:57:47 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: ebay item
Message-ID: <gMJMZIsIDQ92@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <1175799055.813012.283840@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "tomarsin2015@comcast.net" <tomarsin2015@comcast.net> writes:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320100634058&rd=1&rd=1
> Would like input on the item and how better I can improve it.
> tks

   I think it would have helped if you told people here that it's a VMS
   beer mug. 

   IMHO you should replace the hadwriting with a more |d|i|g|t|a|l|
   style font.

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Date: 4 Apr 2007 05:36:39 -0700
From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Message-ID: <1175690199.686217.296420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 2, 10:10 pm, David J Dachtera <djesys...@spam.comcast.net>
wrote:
> FredK wrote:
>
> > "tadamsmar" <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1175527400.740057.18080@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > >I am getting this Led indicator on a dead AS400.
>
> > > Is it easy to swap out a keyboard controller on an Alpha Station 400?
> > > I have another dead one with a bad motherboard that I could use for
> > > parts.
>
> > The KB controller is part of one of the bridge chips - the replacement is a
> > new motherboard.
>
> Since the OP is reporting this as a "dead AS400", I take it that means it won't
> even go to the serial console...
>
> --
> David J Dachtera
> dba DJE Systemshttp://www.djesys.com/
>
> Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Pagehttp://www.djesys.com/vms/market/
>
> Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/
>
> Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/
>
> Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/

I guess you mean hook up a vt100 to the serial port?  Did not try
that.  But it stops doing stuff (flashing lights, clicking) within
about 8 seconds after I power up, presenting D8 on the leds.  Nothing
at all on the monitor.
Seem too early to be accessible via serial?

Anyway,  it was flakey (halting with led codes of the same general
area) for a month or two before dying.  I got it to work before by
just pushing on components on the motherboard.  But, I am inclined to
replace it with a refurb DS10 at this point.

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Date: 4 Apr 2007 08:09:03 -0700
From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Message-ID: <1175699343.331752.87020@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>

My guess is an open curcuit or short on the motherboard.  When I
pushed on something that might be the keyboard module, it started
working for a while.  But I have not tried that again since it last
died, since I want to replace the flakey thing.

On Apr 4, 9:59 am, "Tom Linden" <t...@kednos-remove.com> wrote:
> Dirty Thermal sensor on Power Supply?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:36:39 -0700,tadamsmar<tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 2, 10:10 pm, David J Dachtera <djesys...@spam.comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >> FredK wrote:
>
> >> > "tadamsmar" <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1175527400.740057.18080@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> > >I am getting this Led indicator on a dead AS400.
>
> >> > > Is it easy to swap out a keyboard controller on an Alpha Station  
> >> 400?
> >> > > I have another dead one with a bad motherboard that I could use for
> >> > > parts.
>
> >> > The KB controller is part of one of the bridge chips - the  
> >> replacement is a
> >> > new motherboard.
>
> >> Since the OP is reporting this as a "dead AS400", I take it that means  
> >> it won't
> >> even go to the serial console...
>
> >> --
> >> David J Dachtera
> >> dba DJE Systemshttp://www.djesys.com/
>
> >> Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Pagehttp://www.djesys.com/vms/market/
>
> >> Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/
>
> >> Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/
>
> >> Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support  
> >> Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/
>
> > I guess you mean hook up a vt100 to the serial port?  Did not try
> > that.  But it stops doing stuff (flashing lights, clicking) within
> > about 8 seconds after I power up, presenting D8 on the leds.  Nothing
> > at all on the monitor.
> > Seem too early to be accessible via serial?
>
> > Anyway,  it was flakey (halting with led codes of the same general
> > area) for a month or two before dying.  I got it to work before by
> > just pushing on components on the motherboard.  But, I am inclined to
> > replace it with a refurb DS10 at this point.
>
> --
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>
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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:59:57 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Message-ID: <op.tp9ih7wette90l@hyrrokkin>

Dirty Thermal sensor on Power Supply?

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:36:39 -0700, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Apr 2, 10:10 pm, David J Dachtera <djesys...@spam.comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> FredK wrote:
>>
>> > "tadamsmar" <tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1175527400.740057.18080@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> > >I am getting this Led indicator on a dead AS400.
>>
>> > > Is it easy to swap out a keyboard controller on an Alpha Station  
>> 400?
>> > > I have another dead one with a bad motherboard that I could use for
>> > > parts.
>>
>> > The KB controller is part of one of the bridge chips - the  
>> replacement is a
>> > new motherboard.
>>
>> Since the OP is reporting this as a "dead AS400", I take it that means  
>> it won't
>> even go to the serial console...
>>
>> --
>> David J Dachtera
>> dba DJE Systemshttp://www.djesys.com/
>>
>> Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Pagehttp://www.djesys.com/vms/market/
>>
>> Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/
>>
>> Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/
>>
>> Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support  
>> Page:http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/
>
> I guess you mean hook up a vt100 to the serial port?  Did not try
> that.  But it stops doing stuff (flashing lights, clicking) within
> about 8 seconds after I power up, presenting D8 on the leds.  Nothing
> at all on the monitor.
> Seem too early to be accessible via serial?
>
> Anyway,  it was flakey (halting with led codes of the same general
> area) for a month or two before dying.  I got it to work before by
> just pushing on components on the motherboard.  But, I am inclined to
> replace it with a refurb DS10 at this point.
>



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Date: 4 Apr 2007 12:28:06 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Message-ID: <QPbirMVhabxQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <1175699343.331752.87020@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> writes:
> My guess is an open curcuit or short on the motherboard.  When I
> pushed on something that might be the keyboard module, it started
> working for a while.  But I have not tried that again since it last
> died, since I want to replace the flakey thing.
> 
   If you have lots of time, these kinds of things can be fixed by
   reheating connections with a soldering iron.  Worked well on
   an old car radio, and even on a Cannon print engine with surface
   mount, but would be a lot of very carefull work on your motherboard.

   Suitable for some hobbyists, not for production needs.

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:50:30 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Message-ID: <op.tqbcqgtdtte90l@hyrrokkin>

On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:39:49 -0700, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Apr 4, 1:28 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
> Koehler) wrote:
>> In article <1175699343.331752.87...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,  
>> "tadamsmar" <tadams...@yahoo.com> writes:> My guess is an open curcuit  
>> or short on the motherboard.  When I
>> > pushed on something that might be the keyboard module, it started
>> > working for a while.  But I have not tried that again since it last
>> > died, since I want to replace the flakey thing.
>>
>>    If you have lots of time, these kinds of things can be fixed by
>>    reheating connections with a soldering iron.  Worked well on
>>    an old car radio, and even on a Cannon print engine with surface
>>    mount, but would be a lot of very carefull work on your motherboard.
>>
>>    Suitable for some hobbyists, not for production needs.
>
> I am trying to get an order approved for a couple of DS10 refurbs to
> replace our 2 AS400s, one of which is working fine.
I have a couple of spare ES40's
>
> If the dead box get surplused then we can revist this and someone can
> try to revive the motherboard.
>
>



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Date: 5 Apr 2007 10:11:20 -0700
From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Message-ID: <1175793080.257121.173450@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 5, 9:50 am, "Tom Linden" <t...@kednos-remove.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:39:49 -0700,tadamsmar<tadams...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 4, 1:28 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
> > Koehler) wrote:
> >> In article <1175699343.331752.87...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,  
> >> "tadamsmar" <tadams...@yahoo.com> writes:> My guess is an open curcuit  
> >> or short on the motherboard.  When I
> >> > pushed on something that might be the keyboard module, it started
> >> > working for a while.  But I have not tried that again since it last
> >> > died, since I want to replace the flakey thing.
>
> >>    If you have lots of time, these kinds of things can be fixed by
> >>    reheating connections with a soldering iron.  Worked well on
> >>    an old car radio, and even on a Cannon print engine with surface
> >>    mount, but would be a lot of very carefull work on your motherboard.
>
> >>    Suitable for some hobbyists, not for production needs.
>
> > I am trying to get an order approved for a couple of DS10 refurbs to
> > replace our 2 AS400s, one of which is working fine.
>
> I have a couple of spare ES40's
>
>
>
> > If the dead box get surplused then we can revist this and someone can
> > try to revive the motherboard.
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Are you willing to sell them?

If so, how may units do they require for a VMS license?

Or, do you have licenses to transfer?

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Date: 4 Apr 2007 17:39:49 -0700
From: "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Message-ID: <1175733589.796902.253420@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 4, 1:28 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
Koehler) wrote:
> In article <1175699343.331752.87...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, "tadamsmar" <tadams...@yahoo.com> writes:> My guess is an open curcuit or short on the motherboard.  When I
> > pushed on something that might be the keyboard module, it started
> > working for a while.  But I have not tried that again since it last
> > died, since I want to replace the flakey thing.
>
>    If you have lots of time, these kinds of things can be fixed by
>    reheating connections with a soldering iron.  Worked well on
>    an old car radio, and even on a Cannon print engine with surface
>    mount, but would be a lot of very carefull work on your motherboard.
>
>    Suitable for some hobbyists, not for production needs.

I am trying to get an order approved for a couple of DS10 refurbs to
replace our 2 AS400s, one of which is working fine.

If the dead box get surplused then we can revist this and someone can
try to revive the motherboard.

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:08:41 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: Keyboard controller test failed on Alpha Station 400
Message-ID: <op.tqc78rtttte90l@hyrrokkin>

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:11:20 -0700, tadamsmar <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrot=
e:

> On Apr 5, 9:50 am, "Tom Linden" <t...@kednos-remove.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:39:49 -0700,tadamsmar<tadams...@yahoo.com> wro=
te:
>> > On Apr 4, 1:28 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
>> > Koehler) wrote:
>> >> In article <1175699343.331752.87...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,=

>> >> "tadamsmar" <tadams...@yahoo.com> writes:> My guess is an open  =

>> curcuit
>> >> or short on the motherboard.  When I
>> >> > pushed on something that might be the keyboard module, it starte=
d
>> >> > working for a while.  But I have not tried that again since it l=
ast
>> >> > died, since I want to replace the flakey thing.
>>
>> >>    If you have lots of time, these kinds of things can be fixed by=

>> >>    reheating connections with a soldering iron.  Worked well on
>> >>    an old car radio, and even on a Cannon print engine with surfac=
e
>> >>    mount, but would be a lot of very carefull work on your  =

>> motherboard.
>>
>> >>    Suitable for some hobbyists, not for production needs.
>>
>> > I am trying to get an order approved for a couple of DS10 refurbs t=
o
>> > replace our 2 AS400s, one of which is working fine.
>>
>> I have a couple of spare ES40's
>>
>>
>>
>> > If the dead box get surplused then we can revist this and someone c=
an
>> > try to revive the motherboard.
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:http://www.opera.com/mail/-=
  =

>> Hide quoted text -
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>
> Are you willing to sell them?
>
> If so, how may units do they require for a VMS license?
>
> Or, do you have licenses to transfer?
>
http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm;jsessionid=3DaaaIXGtiq1iRz8cCiJ?pag=
e=3Dalpha
Have 4 cpus @ so 200 OS units 1050 for layered products (i.e. workgroup =
 =

class)
These have Tru64 installed and they may be exchanged for VMS, but i don'=
t  =

know
the transfer fee.  If interested write me offline.


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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:06:34 +0930
From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>
Subject: Re: Looking for print overlay software
Message-ID: <131838je03bu143@corp.supernews.com>

Tad Winters wrote:
> Do you know of any software available for VAX/VMS which will take a text 
> file and overlay it on a file containing graphics?  My first thought is to 
> have a PDF containing a logo and some pattern of lines (the template), and 
> the text file would be "written" onto that file as if it were a form.  I 
> suppose the template could be some other file format.  My thought is that 
> each page of text would use the same template, with the assumption the 
> template is exactly one printable page.
> I just reviewed the contents of version 8 of the Freeware CD and nothing 
> stood out.  From looking at the other Freeware CDs in the past, I don't 
> remember anything like that.
> I don't mind investing some time in programming, but I expect it would take 
> a good amount of time to research the format of even a simple PDF.  I'd 
> hate to re-invent what's already been done.

Have you considered TXT2PDF Tad?

   http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html

I have not used it but remember it being referenced in this forum.

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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:15:14 GMT
From: Tad Winters <stafford.no.spam.winters2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for print overlay software
Message-ID: <Xns99089B2C127D8staffordnospamwinter@130.81.64.196>

Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au> wrote in
news:131838je03bu143@corp.supernews.com: 

> Tad Winters wrote:
>> Do you know of any software available for VAX/VMS which will take a
>> text file and overlay it on a file containing graphics?  My first
>> thought is to have a PDF containing a logo and some pattern of lines
>> (the template), and the text file would be "written" onto that file
>> as if it were a form.  I suppose the template could be some other
>> file format.  My thought is that each page of text would use the same
>> template, with the assumption the template is exactly one printable
>> page. I just reviewed the contents of version 8 of the Freeware CD
>> and nothing stood out.  From looking at the other Freeware CDs in the
>> past, I don't remember anything like that.
>> I don't mind investing some time in programming, but I expect it
>> would take a good amount of time to research the format of even a
>> simple PDF.  I'd hate to re-invent what's already been done.
> 
> Have you considered TXT2PDF Tad?
> 
>    http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdf.html
> 
> I have not used it but remember it being referenced in this forum.
> 

That looks like a possible solution.  I'll need to read through the 
documentation in detail to see if all the requirements can be met.
(The customer's system is running OpenVMS VAX V7.1, MultiNet V4.4 and a 
DIBOL compiler.  I know they won't invest any money in another compiler, 
nor will they pay for an OS upgrade.  Their primary application is written 
in DIBOL and a sprinkling of Macro, so they can't go to Alpha without 
paying for Synergy DBL licensing.  The Synergy DBL licensing is much more 
than they're able to afford.)
I remember seeing reference to this before, but at the time I just thought 
it only handled text.  Since it appears to handle a layer that can be 
composed of a graphic, it appears to be capable of accomplishing the goal.
Thanks much,

Tad

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 02:54:27 -0700
From: "Dave Gullen" <dave.gullen@gap.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Looking for print overlay software
Message-ID: <1175766867.454154.292910@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

Tad,

We've recently installed a product from Version One (http://
www.versionone.co.uk) for a client over here in the Uk.  This takes a
text feed from VMS, merges with graphics and emails/faxes the output.
It's Wintel, not VMS, but all it needed was a very simple file gather/
ftp process to transfer.

Dave Gullen
gap.co.uk

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:29:07 GMT
From: Tad Winters <stafford.no.spam.winters2@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for print overlay software
Message-ID: <Xns99096AAA2A409staffordnospamwinter@130.81.64.196>

"Dave Gullen" <dave.gullen@gap.co.uk> wrote in 
news:1175766867.454154.292910@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> Tad,
> 
> We've recently installed a product from Version One (http://
> www.versionone.co.uk) for a client over here in the Uk.  This takes a
> text feed from VMS, merges with graphics and emails/faxes the output.
> It's Wintel, not VMS, but all it needed was a very simple file gather/
> ftp process to transfer.
> 
> Dave Gullen
> gap.co.uk
> 
> 

Thanks Dave!
My reason for the focus on VMS was really to promote VMS as fully capable.  
The son of the company's owner developed their web site, running on Linux.  
He believes he can create a solution using Linux, though it will take him 
some time.  I really wanted to offer a solid VMS solution first, especially 
since the initial project of directly faxing from VMS hasn't been as 
elegant as we'd originally hoped.  (Faxing using a VoIP line was failing 
30% of the time, even when the VAX was in a low usage period.  Faxing over 
a POTS line has had occasional failures that aggravate the recipients.  
Also, faxed invoices are of poor visual quality.)

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:11:13 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: Looking for print overlay software
Message-ID: <3de49$46153be1$cef8887a$17307@TEKSAVVY.COM>

Tad Winters wrote:
> some time.  I really wanted to offer a solid VMS solution first, especially 
> since the initial project of directly faxing from VMS hasn't been as 
> elegant as we'd originally hoped. 


writing a postscript program/prologue that will generate the logo and text, and 
then include the text data line by line is not very difficult. And it is 
platform independant.

This requires just an editor to create. (but also requires knowledge of postscript).

Converting postscript to PDF or other medium will require Ghostscript. Since you 
are on VAX, you may have to scrounge an older version (not sure though). You may 
also need to install decwidnows (even if you don't have a workstation).

To mail the files, since you are on VAX, you will need to use the MIME utility 
or MPACK, and some small DCL to generate a header and then use the SFF utility 
to submit the mime file for sending. (The Ask the wizard has the best 
documentation on SFF).

The ability to use MAIL to send binary attachements created by MIME came only 
recently on Alpha. It won't be on VAX.

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 07:48:21 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Message-ID: <++4Tcz8MZCT5@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <slrnf19cb6.fco.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes:
> I know it stores the key used in the saveset header.
> 
> I'm just curious if the .BCK format supports multiple backup (no pun
> here) saveset headers? BACKUP creation of a single file and then DUMP of
> the .BCK seems to suggest that yes, it does.
> 

    I've never seen BACKUP do anything with multiple savesets in a
    single BACKUP file.  What else would you use multiple headers
    for?

   A quick test shows BACKUP will only see the first of two savesets
   contained in a single file.

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 07:55:58 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Message-ID: <4PXBqVcs3WWj@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <6fb8c$4614ba2e$cef8887a$20825@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
> 
> Another option would be to get  /ENCRYPT to require privileges. This way, you 
> narrow down those who can use it and have better procedures to ensure the 
> password is written down in a place that security personel can access shoudl it 
> be needed.

   My encryption needs aren't met if you can take my backup to your
   computer, log on to a privileged account that you control, and 
   read my data.  But an identifier controlling who can use /ENCRYPT
   might be a good idea.

   This is a fairly essential problem with encryption:  preventing
   others from reading the data is not connected to thier role in some
   other facility (or at home).  But when a legitimate user leaves an
   organisation thier needs to be someone within that organisation who
   can read the data.

   Microsoft EFS is a good example of not getting it right.  I can 
   assign others to be allowed to read my encrypted data, but it's 
   hardly a user friendly interface.  In addition to having to 
   scrounge MS documentation to figure out how to do it, you can't 
   do it to a directory tree, you can only do it to an individual 
   file.  And oh, yes, you can't encrypt a compressed archive, or set
   it up to happen properly in an automated way.  It almost does what
   we need, but like other MS products, not quite.

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 08:32:06 -0500
From: briggs@encompasserve.org
Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Message-ID: <FMLTRWbrJyIb@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <++4Tcz8MZCT5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
> In article <slrnf19cb6.fco.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes:
>> I know it stores the key used in the saveset header.
>> 
>> I'm just curious if the .BCK format supports multiple backup (no pun
>> here) saveset headers? BACKUP creation of a single file and then DUMP of
>> the .BCK seems to suggest that yes, it does.
>> 
> 
>     I've never seen BACKUP do anything with multiple savesets in a
>     single BACKUP file.  What else would you use multiple headers
>     for?

It's not the "headers" that we're talking about per se.  The ANSI
labels on the save set are not encrypted and carry no information
relevant to the encryption.

Assuming that what I've just read is accurate and that I've understood
it properly, what we're talking about is encryption-related information
stored in the backup summary record that is part of the save set itself.

The "session key" used to encrypt the data in a BACKUP save set is
generated randomly.  It is stored in the backup summary record.
However, that key is itself encrypted using the key the user provided.

This means that if the summary record is lost, the "session key" is
gone and the backup is toast.

Since the backup save set data is encrypted in CBC mode (ciper block
chaining), this is is the least of your worries.  Lose any block of
save set data and the rest of the save set is toast because you'll
lose the chain of encryption that CBC depends on.

[A more reasonable way to have done encrypted backups would have been
to use CTR mode and stash the CTR value in each block]

Of course, on modern tape drives, this is no great loss.  Lose any
block of tape data and you won't be reading past it any time soon
even if you didn't lose the session key or the CBC chain.

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 10:45:02 -0500
From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Message-ID: <yvmgnXdNb8Aa@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <FMLTRWbrJyIb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:

> The "session key" used to encrypt the data in a BACKUP save set is
> generated randomly.  It is stored in the backup summary record.
> However, that key is itself encrypted using the key the user provided.
> 
> This means that if the summary record is lost, the "session key" is
> gone and the backup is toast.
> 
> Since the backup save set data is encrypted in CBC mode (ciper block
> chaining), this is is the least of your worries.  Lose any block of
> save set data and the rest of the save set is toast because you'll
> lose the chain of encryption that CBC depends on.

That is not a very different risk from physical damage to the part
of the tape containing the data you want.  A typical defense is to
make backups on a regular basis and keep many of then.

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:01:07 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Message-ID: <5f011$46153983$cef8887a$21229@TEKSAVVY.COM>

AEF wrote:
> Just exactly how do you get two save sets in a single file?

$APPEND SAVESET1.SAV SAVESET2.SAV

:-) :-) :-) :-)

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:32:54 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Message-ID: <A2Dg3vaX7sPx@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <FMLTRWbrJyIb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:
> In article <++4Tcz8MZCT5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:
>> In article <slrnf19cb6.fco.usenet@zappy.catbert.org>, Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org> writes:
>>> I know it stores the key used in the saveset header.
>>> 
>>> I'm just curious if the .BCK format supports multiple backup (no pun
>>> here) saveset headers? BACKUP creation of a single file and then DUMP of
>>> the .BCK seems to suggest that yes, it does.
>>> 
>> 
>>     I've never seen BACKUP do anything with multiple savesets in a
>>     single BACKUP file.  What else would you use multiple headers
>>     for?
> 
> It's not the "headers" that we're talking about per se.  The ANSI
> labels on the save set are not encrypted and carry no information
> relevant to the encryption.

   ANSI tape label headers apply only to tape backup sets, which I
   did not assume.  BACKUP is perfectly capable at dealing with more
   than one saveset separated by appropriate multiple ANSI tape labels.

> Assuming that what I've just read is accurate and that I've understood
> it properly, what we're talking about is encryption-related information
> stored in the backup summary record that is part of the save set itself.
> 
> The "session key" used to encrypt the data in a BACKUP save set is
> generated randomly.  It is stored in the backup summary record.
> However, that key is itself encrypted using the key the user provided.

   So I assume you want to store more than one copy of the session key
   by aving more than one header in a single saveset.  BACKUP might
   have to look at your /blocksize to determine when it can write 
   that second header and be sure its in a physically different block.

> This means that if the summary record is lost, the "session key" is
> gone and the backup is toast.

   Like any part of the data, BACKUP has some very good capabiities at
   restoring data from physically bad blocks that should significantly
   reduce this if not turned off when the savest is made.  I've
   acutally seen them work when reading critical data from a ratty
   9-track.

 

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:34:08 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Message-ID: <1QebsRSpGXCO@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <1175780205.637926.169000@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:
> On Apr 5, 8:48 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob
> Koehler) wrote:
>> In article <slrnf19cb6.fco.use...@zappy.catbert.org>, Dan Foster <use...@evilphb.org> writes:
>> > I know it stores the key used in the saveset header.
>>
>> > I'm just curious if the .BCK format supports multiple backup (no pun
>> > here) saveset headers? BACKUP creation of a single file and then DUMP of
>> > the .BCK seems to suggest that yes, it does.
>>
>>     I've never seen BACKUP do anything with multiple savesets in a
>>     single BACKUP file.  What else would you use multiple headers
>>     for?
>>
>>    A quick test shows BACKUP will only see the first of two savesets
>>    contained in a single file.
> 
> 
> Just exactly how do you get two save sets in a single file?

   $ backup test1.file a.bck/save
   $ backup test2.file b.bck/save
   $ append b.bck a.bck

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 08:13:30 -0500
From: briggs@encompasserve.org
Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.3 BACKUP /ENCRYPT
Message-ID: <IjcvhA1hk0Sw@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <yvmgnXdNb8Aa@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:
> In article <FMLTRWbrJyIb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, briggs@encompasserve.org writes:
> 
>> The "session key" used to encrypt the data in a BACKUP save set is
>> generated randomly.  It is stored in the backup summary record.
>> However, that key is itself encrypted using the key the user provided.
>> 
>> This means that if the summary record is lost, the "session key" is
>> gone and the backup is toast.
>> 
>> Since the backup save set data is encrypted in CBC mode (ciper block
>> chaining), this is is the least of your worries.  Lose any block of
>> save set data and the rest of the save set is toast because you'll
>> lose the chain of encryption that CBC depends on.
> 
> That is not a very different risk from physical damage to the part
> of the tape containing the data you want.  A typical defense is to
> make backups on a regular basis and keep many of then.

Well, if you have a tape system that has a 0.01% unrecoverable error
rate and if that tape system can read past errors without going "position
lost" on you and if you are backing up into 3 gigabyte save sets then
the difference between being able to restore the last file on the
backup 1 time in 22,000 and being able to restore that last file 9,999
times out of 10000 would be rather significant.

[Yes, those are some big "ifs"]

Model:  32,256 byte tape blocks.  100,000 blocks in the save set.
.01% error rate.  Average errors:  10.  Chances of no errors ~1/e^10
[I'm not entirely sure about that formula, but it feels right].

Losing just the erroneous block is significantly different from
losing the remainder of the save set when the expected number of errors
per save set is large.

If the expected number of unrecoverable errors per save set is small
(less than one) then one might reasonably use a strategy of retaining
multiple backups.

If one is using a tape drive which goes "position lost" whenever it
encounters an unrecoverable error then it probably follows that the
number of unrecoverable errors per save set is small.  That's the
situation almost any production shop would be in.  Your advice is
perfectly appropriate in such an environment.

On a clunky old 9 track drive, the situation is far different.  They
could read past unrecoverable errors and had significant error rates.

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:32:42 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: OT: Happy <holliday>
Message-ID: <c5b24$4615b16b$cef8887a$29597@TEKSAVVY.COM>

$WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "%OPCOM-W-POLTCINCORRECT, Politically incorrect message"
$
$IF religion .eqs. "CHRISTIAN"
$THEN 				WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Happy Easter !"
$ELSE   IF religion .eqs. "JEWISH"
$	THEN 			WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Happy Passover"
$	ELSE IF religion .eqs. "ISLAM"
$	     THEN 		WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Happy Mohamed's birthday"
$!
$	     ELSE		WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Have a nice weekend"
$	     ENDIF
$	ENDIF
$ENDIF
$!	

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Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:30:56 -0400
From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: OT: Happy <holliday>
Message-ID: <461614c4$0$16353$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>

"David J Dachtera" <djesys.no@spam.comcast.net> wrote in message 
news:4615B86D.F4A8A520@spam.comcast.net...
> JF Mezei wrote:
>
[...snip...]
>
> Y'know, folks have asked for "CASE" in DCL before. I suppose you could...
>
> $ case := if select_vbl .eqs. ! Limited to string compares, sorry...
> $ SELECT := select_vbl =
> $!
> $ select religion
> $ case "CHRISTIAN" then -
> $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Happy Easter !"
> $ case "JEWISH" then -
> $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Happy Passover"
>
> Just a thought...
>
> By the way... Does Wicca observe a sabbat(sp?) at the Vernal Equinox?
>

Not sure about Wicca but the Shi'ites celebrate their New Year around that 
time.

NSR


-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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Date: 4 Apr 2007 14:55:59 -0700
From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ping Sue
Message-ID: <1175723758.978986.276700@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 3, 2:27 pm, Doc <d...@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:
> "Sue" <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1175613703.166034.155030@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 2, 11:29 pm, "Sue" <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 2, 4:17 pm, Doc <d...@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:
>
> >> > This is not related to OpenVMS, but to HP.  I have a potential
> >> > problem with a partner of HP and I'd like to know who I complain
> >> > to.
>
> >> > The partner is Redcorp SA/NV, a Belgium-based company.  The part I
> >> > was looking to get is a power cable for an HP laptop, a part that
> >> > is designed so that HP can suck money out of you (said cable cost
> >> > me over 30 Euros so far and I don't have it).
>
> >> > My first attempt to purchase this cable from Redcorp was using my
> >> > status as a self employed person - they won't sell to the general
> >> > public.  In order to use payment by credit card I was required to
> >> > fax or email a copy of my identity card and credit card to them.
> >> > This I found not too acceptable, and my attempt to buy was thwarted
> >> > because they wanted a copy of the *back* of the credit card as
> >> > well.  This is unacceptable, they should get a proper merchant's
> >> > account and process credit cards online.
>
> >> > Second I attempted to order the cable via the company of my partner
> >> > and I.  I placed the order and was requested to make a wire payment
> >> > with a specific reference.  I did so, and expected the goods.  Now,
> >> > having chased this up, their delivery company claims to have
> >> > delivered this stupid cable on the 16th of last month.  I even have
> >> > a copy of the delivery receipt.
>
> >> > Problem is, the signature isn't mine, and the name box looks like
> >> > it was filled in by a four year old - i.e. it is illegible.
>
> >> > If I don't get a satisfactory resolution to this who in HP do I
> >> > complain to about how their partners treat customers?
>
> >> > Doc.
>
> >> I have seen this and will forward to some folks I know in Europe
> >> please send me your contact information.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Sue- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Dear Doc,
>
> > I have heard back from my contacts in Europe and they REALLY want to
> > resolve this but they need your contact information, can you please
> > send it to me at my HP email.
>
> Sorry to post two followups, but I think I should highlight that there's
> two problems here.
>
> One is the part that has gone missing, and Redcorp are dealing with this.
>
> The second - and one I find objectionable - is the requirement for a copy
> of both sides of a credit card.
>
> Sue, I appreciate you taking this seriously even though I'm using a
> pseudonym and it's only a low-value part.
>
> Doc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dear Doc,

I want to let the newsgroup know that we (HP) are taking this
seriously and let the entire newsgroup know that the folks in Europe
did get back to "Doc" . Doc sent me his contact information via
email.

 It is important to know that while I do try and look at the newsgroup
and check for issues to make sure my friends are ok.  No one from HP
that responds to this newsgroup (not sure about others) is usually
doing so during office hours, nor do they get measured on responding
to newsgroups.  What I am trying to say is that this may not always be
the most effective way of taking care of a problem.  Sometimes it
works, I wish there were a better answer.

Sue

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 05:10:50 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: Ping Sue
Message-ID: <4ce76$4614bd39$cef8887a$29170@TEKSAVVY.COM>

Sue wrote:
>  It is important to know that while I do try and look at the newsgroup
> and check for issues to make sure my friends are ok.  No one from HP
> that responds to this newsgroup (not sure about others) is usually
> doing so during office hours, nor do they get measured on responding
> to newsgroups. 


Sue, you may wish to present "comp.os.vms" as a "blog" where their customer 
discuss HP's products. You may find them better understanding the potential of 
comp.os.vms.  (Trade rags now encourage corporations to encourage customer blogs 
and participate in them to be in better contact with customers).

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:04:47 -0700
From: "Sue" <susan_skonetski@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ping Sue
Message-ID: <1175868287.760962.327490@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 5, 5:55 am, Doc <d...@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:
> "Sue" <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote innews:1175723758.978986.276700@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 3, 2:27 pm, Doc <d...@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:
> >> "Sue" <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> innews:1175613703.166034.155030@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > On Apr 2, 11:29 pm, "Sue" <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Apr 2, 4:17 pm, Doc <d...@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > This is not related to OpenVMS, but to HP.  I have a potential
> >> >> > problem with a partner of HP and I'd like to know who I complain
> >> >> > to.
>
> >> >> > The partner is Redcorp SA/NV, a Belgium-based company.  The part
> >> >> > I was looking to get is a power cable for an HP laptop, a part
> >> >> > that is designed so that HP can suck money out of you (said
> >> >> > cable cost me over 30 Euros so far and I don't have it).
>
> >> >> > My first attempt to purchase this cable from Redcorp was using
> >> >> > my status as a self employed person - they won't sell to the
> >> >> > general public.  In order to use payment by credit card I was
> >> >> > required to fax or email a copy of my identity card and credit
> >> >> > card to them. This I found not too acceptable, and my attempt to
> >> >> > buy was thwarted because they wanted a copy of the *back* of the
> >> >> > credit card as well.  This is unacceptable, they should get a
> >> >> > proper merchant's account and process credit cards online.
>
> >> >> > Second I attempted to order the cable via the company of my
> >> >> > partner and I.  I placed the order and was requested to make a
> >> >> > wire payment with a specific reference.  I did so, and expected
> >> >> > the goods.  Now, having chased this up, their delivery company
> >> >> > claims to have delivered this stupid cable on the 16th of last
> >> >> > month.  I even have a copy of the delivery receipt.
>
> >> >> > Problem is, the signature isn't mine, and the name box looks
> >> >> > like it was filled in by a four year old - i.e. it is illegible.
>
> >> >> > If I don't get a satisfactory resolution to this who in HP do I
> >> >> > complain to about how their partners treat customers?
>
> >> >> > Doc.
>
> >> >> I have seen this and will forward to some folks I know in Europe
> >> >> please send me your contact information.
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>Sue- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > Dear Doc,
>
> >> > I have heard back from my contacts in Europe and they REALLY want
> >> > to resolve this but they need your contact information, can you
> >> > please send it to me at my HP email.
>
> >> Sorry to post two followups, but I think I should highlight that
> >> there's two problems here.
>
> >> One is the part that has gone missing, and Redcorp are dealing with
> >> this.
>
> >> The second - and one I find objectionable - is the requirement for a
> >> copy of both sides of a credit card.
>
> >>Sue, I appreciate you taking this seriously even though I'm using a
> >> pseudonym and it's only a low-value part.
>
> >> Doc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Dear Doc,
>
> > I want to let the newsgroup know that we (HP) are taking this
> > seriously and let the entire newsgroup know that the folks in Europe
> > did get back to "Doc" . Doc sent me his contact information via
> > email.
>
> >  It is important to know that while I do try and look at the newsgroup
> > and check for issues to make sure my friends are ok.  No one from HP
> > that responds to this newsgroup (not sure about others) is usually
> > doing so during office hours, nor do they get measured on responding
> > to newsgroups.  What I am trying to say is that this may not always be
> > the most effective way of taking care of a problem.  Sometimes it
> > works, I wish there were a better answer.
>
> Sue, thanks for forwarding this on, I've been contacted by Daniel who was
> one of the people you emailed.
>
> I've explained that I'm giving Redcorp time to deal with their shipping
> company and find out where my delivery really went, but that I'd like to
> complain about asking for a copy of my ID and credit card.
>
> The main thing - and I think you probably understand this - is it's
> frustrating that it is for such a small part, a power cable.  I lost one
> doing a setup for a client, and it was a package of an HP laptop and
> docking station (with other bits and pieces) that was around 3,500 Euro.
>
> The client is delighted with the system he's got (one of the top-end HP
> laptops that's widescreen and has a numeric keypad), but he's having to
> use the UK plug and an adaptor for the docking station.
>
> Doc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am glad that your customer is happy with the system and that you
managed a work around.  And I do understand the frustration a power
cable even though its small is a major part to a system.

Thank you for taking the time to work with the customer and us and not
just complain, action always takes more effort.

Sue

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 09:26:20 -0700
From: "coltrane" <john.prokopek@gmail.com>
Subject: relative directories
Message-ID: <1175790380.954215.73310@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>

I imagine this question must come up ofter but I have not seen an
answer.
Is it possible to either reference files in a directory using a
relative path?
Or is it possible to just reference a relative path.

It is rather a nuisance to always have to type in an absolute path.
Is there a Perl solution to this?

I imagine the answer is no but I thought I'd ask.



thanks

john

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:22:45 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <op.tqbjr7vjtte90l@hyrrokkin>

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:26:20 -0700, coltrane <john.prokopek@gmail.com>  
wrote:

> I imagine this question must come up ofter but I have not seen an
> answer.
> Is it possible to either reference files in a directory using a
> relative path?
> Or is it possible to just reference a relative path.
>
> It is rather a nuisance to always have to type in an absolute path.
> Is there a Perl solution to this?
>
> I imagine the answer is no but I thought I'd ask.

HAFNER> pwd
   DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM]
HAFNER> create/dir [.a.b]
HAFNER> create/dir [.a.c]
HAFNER> cd [.a.c]
HAFNER> cd [-.b]
HAFNER> pwd
   DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.A.B]

>
>
>
> thanks
>
> john
>



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Date: 5 Apr 2007 11:14:14 -0700
From: "Bob Gezelter" <gezelter@rlgsc.com>
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <1175796853.699821.320900@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 5, 1:11 pm, "coltrane" <john.proko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 5, 12:22 pm, "Tom Linden" <t...@kednos-remove.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:26:20 -0700, coltrane <john.proko...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I imagine this question must come up ofter but I have not seen an
> > > answer.
> > > Is it possible to either reference files in a directory using a
> > > relative path?
> > > Or is it possible to just reference a relative path.
>
> > > It is rather a nuisance to always have to type in an absolute path.
> > > Is there a Perl solution to this?
>
> > > I imagine the answer is no but I thought I'd ask.
>
> > HAFNER> pwd
> >    DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM]
> > HAFNER> create/dir [.a.b]
> > HAFNER> create/dir [.a.c]
> > HAFNER> cd [.a.c]
> > HAFNER> cd [-.b]
> > HAFNER> pwd
> >    DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.A.B]
>
> > > thanks
>
> > > john
>
> > --
> > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client:http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
> thanks, I also didn't realize that multiple levels can be indicated by
> multiple '-.' couples.
>
> so I didn't know I could do cd [-.-.-.somedir]
>
> I feel so much better now :)
> thanks again
> john

Coltrane,

Yes, I was in the process of posting that you can do multiple levels
of back up.

- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 12:33:49 -0700
From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <1175801629.106117.31140@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 5, 12:22 pm, "Tom Linden" <t...@kednos-remove.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:26:20 -0700, coltrane <john.proko...@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
> > I imagine this question must come up ofter but I have not seen an
> > answer.
> > Is it possible to either reference files in a directory using a
> > relative path?
> > Or is it possible to just reference a relative path.
>
> > It is rather a nuisance to always have to type in an absolute path.
> > Is there a Perl solution to this?
>
> > I imagine the answer is no but I thought I'd ask.
>
> HAFNER> pwd
>    DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM]
> HAFNER> create/dir [.a.b]
> HAFNER> create/dir [.a.c]
> HAFNER> cd [.a.c]
> HAFNER> cd [-.b]
> HAFNER> pwd
>    DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.A.B]
>

Since when are cd and pwd DCL commands? I'm surprised not to see
mkdir! I'm surprised the OP has cd and pwd set up the same way!

AEF

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 18:28:30 -0700
From: "AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <1175822909.973611.248730@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 5, 3:48 pm, "Richard B. gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> AEF wrote:
> > On Apr 5, 12:22 pm, "Tom Linden" <t...@kednos-remove.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:26:20 -0700, coltrane <john.proko...@gmail.com>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>I imagine this question must come up ofter but I have not seen an
> >>>answer.
> >>>Is it possible to either reference files in a directory using a
> >>>relative path?
> >>>Or is it possible to just reference a relative path.
>
> >>>It is rather a nuisance to always have to type in an absolute path.
> >>>Is there a Perl solution to this?
>
> >>>I imagine the answer is no but I thought I'd ask.
>
> >>HAFNER> pwd
> >>   DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM]
> >>HAFNER> create/dir [.a.b]
> >>HAFNER> create/dir [.a.c]
> >>HAFNER> cd [.a.c]
> >>HAFNER> cd [-.b]
> >>HAFNER> pwd
> >>   DISK$COMMON:[USER.TOM.A.B]
>
> > Since when are cd and pwd DCL commands? I'm surprised not to see
> > mkdir! I'm surprised the OP has cd and pwd set up the same way!
>
> > AEF
>
> Those of us who must use both VMS and Unix sometimes define Unix-like
> commands in their LOGIN.COM files and define VMS-like commands in
> .profile or .kshrc.

But there was no indication that the OP was such a person. And
different people can make different assignments to 'cd'. It could be a
SET DEFAULT program instead of just SET DEFAULT. A match here was a
case of luck.

> After all, cd com is a hell of a lot easier to type than
> SET DEFAULT [.COM] and TYPE makes more sense than "cat".

I have plenty of symbols. I wrote TO.COM to take as much pain out of
changing defaults as possible. I use WH for SHOW DEFAULT, one less
letter than pwd and it does not contain two consecutive letters for
the same hand! :-)

AEF

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:45:33 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <02nwFcO9mOX+@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <1175790380.954215.73310@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, "coltrane" <john.prokopek@gmail.com> writes:
> I imagine this question must come up ofter but I have not seen an
> answer.
> Is it possible to either reference files in a directory using a
> relative path?
> Or is it possible to just reference a relative path.

   Yes, such as

   $open test [-.b]a.c
   $read test line
   $close test

   The VMS realtive file syntax is valid no matter what you're doing
   with the file.  It's implemented by the file system which doesn't
   care at that level what you're doing with the file.

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:47:06 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <b9QL3NUYMbzm@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <1175796714.732984.39610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "coltrane" <john.prokopek@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> so I didn't know I could do cd [-.-.-.somedir]
> 

   Save a few keystrokes.  [---.somedir] will work just fine.

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:53:20 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <vxPmB$$lk6SS@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <4615527D.70801@comcast.net>, "Richard B. gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> writes:
> 
> Those of us who must use both VMS and Unix sometimes define Unix-like 
> commands in their LOGIN.COM files and define VMS-like commands in 
> .profile or .kshrc.

   This is most handy when you want a DCL symbol or shell alias for
   some varition on a command, but don't want to cover up access
   to the original command.

   Thus, on VMS I have
      $ more == "type/page"

   and on UNIX
      alias -x dir="ls -FC"

   So I can still get to naked type without deleting a symbol if I 
   want to, and to ls without using explicit /bin/ls.

   Using it as a crutch for commands that are just similar means
   delaying learning and helping confuse yourself when your
   simultaneously running EVE in one window and vi (ugh) in another.

   Ever type escape-something in EVE?

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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:57:21 -0700
From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos-remove.com>
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <op.tqc7pvgstte90l@hyrrokkin>

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:23:20 -0700, Malcolm Dunnett  
<nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote:

> "coltrane" <john.prokopek@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1175796714.732984.39610@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> thanks, I also didn't realize that multiple levels can be indicated by
>> multiple '-.' couples.
>>
>> so I didn't know I could do cd [-.-.-.somedir]
>
>   the dots between the dashes are optional, so you could also do cd
> [---.somedir]
>
It was intended to show similar behaviour on Unix, ../../../somedir
which doen't have anything like [---.somedir]



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Date: 6 Apr 2007 14:59:15 GMT
From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)
Subject: Re: relative directories
Message-ID: <57n5i3F2dsqbdU1@mid.individual.net>

In article <1175822909.973611.248730@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
	"AEF" <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> I have plenty of symbols. I wrote TO.COM to take as much pain out of
> changing defaults as possible. I use WH for SHOW DEFAULT, one less
> letter than pwd and it does not contain two consecutive letters for
> the same hand! :-)

Explain to me again why a command like "WH" is more intuitive than
"ls" or "cd"?

(For those who have forgotten, just remember back to all the comments
made here about the lack of intuitiveness of Unix commands!!)

bill

-- 
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:47:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)
Subject: TCPIP SMTP: what gets read when?
Message-ID: <ev2nkf$jsv$1@online.de>

Does anyone know (or is it documented clearly somewhere) which of the 
various SMTP configuration files gets read when?  In particular, I am 
interested in SMTP.CONFIG and TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT.  Candidates 
would be: (re)starting SMTP, (re)starting MAIL (TCPIP STOP|START MAIL) 
and restarting the whole of TCPIP as well as sending a message and 
receiving a message.

Right now, I have one ALPHA in the cluster but like to have it keep the
cluster alias, mainly because of the anti-spam stuff which is not
available on VAX.  Anything which needs TCPIP to be restarted is a pain
since the cluster alias will wander away from the ALPHA and has to be
brought back by hand.  Other events should be handled (by the off-site
backup MX servers) if a mail is temporarily undeliverable, though I 
would like to keep this to a minimum.

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:57:36 -0400
From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP: what gets read when?
Message-ID: <55d2$461538b0$cef8887a$21229@TEKSAVVY.COM>

Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:
> Does anyone know (or is it documented clearly somewhere) which of the 
> various SMTP configuration files gets read when?  In particular, I am 
> interested in SMTP.CONFIG and TCPIP$SMTP_LOCAL_ALIASES.TXT. 


START MAIL (which is also done when the software is started).
This affects the symbiont.

And whenever a call comes in to port 25 which triggers the creation of a 
receiver process.

When changing the config files, stop mail, wait a number of seconds, start mail 
and voila, the new config is in production. No need to shutdown TCPIP.

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Date: 4 Apr 2007 06:53:32 -0700
From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: The Wiz
Message-ID: <1175694812.704607.215270@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

There is already the John Wisniewski Memorial site on OpenVMS.Org

http://wiz.openvms.org/

but I don't see why not have another on the Deathrow Cluster.

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Date: 4 Apr 2007 07:09:38 -0700
From: genius@marblecliff.com
Subject: Re: The Wiz
Message-ID: <1175695778.307269.109760@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 3, 5:44 pm, "Sue" <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Friends,
>
> I know I am being sentimental but,
>
> Tomorrow it will be three years since we lost our friend John
> Wisniewski.  I was thinking about him today and how he would end every
> conversation with "is there anything I can do for you? Or I have your
> back"  He really was a good person and did so much for VMS and the VMS
> community and because of his presence and heart you were never left in
> doubt when he was in the room.
>
> It might be nice if we could all take some time tomorrow and do
> something nice for someone, its bound to make the day better and John
> would like it.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Sue

how about a prayer from everyone ... this is Easter week ...

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Date: 4 Apr 2007 09:29:21 -0700
From: davidc@montagar.com
Subject: Re: The Wiz
Message-ID: <1175704161.617829.94300@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

On Apr 4, 9:55 am, "Sue" <susan_skonet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dave the weather is bad here but it is amazing how many people stop by
> the John Wisniewsiki bench that is right by the front door and talk to
> him (me included).
> sue

I still have a picture of him on my desk.  Fully festooned with lots
of DECUS ribbons, buttons, and such.  Being at those events truly
charged him up.  He really loved interacting with people there - they
weren't customers, but partners, family, and dear friends, all in one.

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Date: 05 Apr 2007 14:02:57 GMT
From: Doc <doc@openvms-rocks.com>
Subject: Re: The Wiz
Message-ID: <Xns9909A344BCA97docopenvmsrockscom@195.238.0.229>

VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in
news:00A65AEF.3FB69B38@SendSpamHere.ORG: 

> In article <1175778704.782636.230120@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> davidc@montagar.com writes: 
>>
>>
>>On Apr 4, 5:06 pm, David J Dachtera <djesys...@spam.comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>> To my mind, John's most masterful piece of wizardry was getting the
>>> OpenVMS Hobbyist program going.
>>
>>True.  And there's a 10th Anniverary coming up!
> 
> Free VMS for everyone to celebrate! :)

Does someone who knew John feel like writing up a piece for Deathrow?  Or 
have pictures they'd be prepared to let us use?

If for nothing else than because we wouldn't be able to run Deathrow 
without the Hobbyist program.

If you want to email text, the email address on this message is fine.  If 
pictures, contact me for an alternate address or upload details.

As it is, the comments here serve as a reminder to all that the man left 
a lasting legacy.


Doc.

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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:57:11 +0200
From: Paul Sture <paul.sture.nospam@hispeed.ch>
Subject: Re: The Wiz
Message-ID: <paul.sture.nospam-C86213.22571105042007@mac.sture.ch>

In article <Xns9909A344BCA97docopenvmsrockscom@195.238.0.229>,
 Doc <doc@openvms-rocks.com> wrote:

> VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote in
> news:00A65AEF.3FB69B38@SendSpamHere.ORG: 
> 
> > In article <1175778704.782636.230120@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
> > davidc@montagar.com writes: 
> >>
> >>
> >>On Apr 4, 5:06 pm, David J Dachtera <djesys...@spam.comcast.net>
> >>wrote:
> >>> To my mind, John's most masterful piece of wizardry was getting the
> >>> OpenVMS Hobbyist program going.
> >>
> >>True.  And there's a 10th Anniverary coming up!
> > 
> > Free VMS for everyone to celebrate! :)
> 
> Does someone who knew John feel like writing up a piece for Deathrow?  Or 
> have pictures they'd be prepared to let us use?
> 
> If for nothing else than because we wouldn't be able to run Deathrow 
> without the Hobbyist program.

Without the Hobbyist program, I and many others around the world could 
have lost interest in VMS years ago. That's the true legacy "TheWiz" 
gave to those who didn't have the opportunity to know him.

> If you want to email text, the email address on this message is fine.  If 
> pictures, contact me for an alternate address or upload details.
> 
> As it is, the comments here serve as a reminder to all that the man left 
> a lasting legacy.
> 

Sue's reminder was well appreciated, but VAXman's followup with the 
background to the footcream story had me laughing my socks off. I think 
that's how John would have wanted things to be.

-- 
Paul Sture

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Date: 5 Apr 2007 08:06:36 -0700
From: "Ian Miller" <gxys@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS
Message-ID: <1175785596.583305.89330@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>

there is a RADIUS server for VMS
http://starlet.deltatel.ru/radiusvms/

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:58:35 +0000 (UTC)
From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS
Message-ID: <ev36bb$lj1$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>

In article <ev30k3$970$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, DAVISM@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes:
>	I was wondering if anyone has implemented a completely OpenVMS based
>WiFi authentication system.  We would like to assemble something that can
>accept an authentication request (probably RADIUS-based) from an access point
>(i.e. Apple AirPort Extreme with router functionality disabled) based on
>OpenVMS username and password.  Assuming the authentication is successful,
>then the end-user's WiFi device can obtain an IP address from our OpenVMS
>based DHCP server.  All of this would run on/under...
>
>  HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5
>  on an AlphaServer DS15 running OpenVMS V8.2
>
>(I don't believe upgrading the OpenVMS system[s] would be a major obstacle, if
>necessary.)
>
>	Any pointers or "gotchas" to avoid would be welcome.
>

Is there a Radius server available on VMS which supports EAP (which is required
for WPA 802.1x authentication) ?

The public domain FreeRadius supports EAP but as far as I know it hasn't been
ported to VMS.

 

David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University



>Thanks,
>Mike
>--
>                                         |    Systems Specialist: CBE,MSE
>         Michael T. Davis (Mike)         | Departmental Networking/Computing
> http://www.ecr6.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     The Ohio State University
>                                         |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928

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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:05:18 +0000 (UTC)
From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS
Message-ID: <ev36nu$lj1$2@south.jnrs.ja.net>

In article <1175785596.583305.89330@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "Ian Miller" <gxys@googlemail.com> writes:
>there is a RADIUS server for VMS
>http://starlet.deltatel.ru/radiusvms/
>
But does it provide EAP support which is required for WPA 802.1x 
authentication ?

I can't see any mention of it and the date on the Administrators guide 
(May 1997) would probably indicate that it doesn't.

David Webb
Security team leader
CCSS
Middlesex University

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Date: 6 Apr 2007 07:43:01 -0500
From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)
Subject: Re: Wireless (WPA) authentication and OpenVMS
Message-ID: <akQun38qB6JJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <ev36bb$lj1$1@south.jnrs.ja.net>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk writes:
> 
> Is there a Radius server available on VMS which supports EAP (which is required
> for WPA 802.1x authentication) ?
> 
> The public domain FreeRadius supports EAP but as far as I know it hasn't been
> ported to VMS.

   I'm not sure there is, but if I really wanted one I'd get Process on
   the phone and ask them about putting it in Multinet.  IMHO that's the
   fastest way to get a quality implementation.

   I was quite happy when my customer was using RSA cards to see in my
   Multinet documents that support was already in there.

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