INFO-VAX Sun, 01 Apr 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 182 Contents: Re: HP expands OpenVMS marketing and development Re: HP expands OpenVMS marketing and development Re: OT Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? SMTP strangeness RE: Switching off MULTITHREAD Re: SYSBOOT.EXE not found with MOP boot TCPIP$SMTP_MIME_HACK Re: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Re: Willing to bet this is Windows at its best ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Apr 2007 05:12:17 -0700 From: "Sue" Subject: Re: HP expands OpenVMS marketing and development Message-ID: <1175429537.176288.89380@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Apr 1, 5:47 am, JF Mezei wrote: > HP Expands OpenVMS marketing and development with strategic initiative > with Martha Steward Living. > Palo Alto, April 1, 2007 > > HP today unveiled a strategic marketing alliance with Martha Stewart > Living which will redevelop the OpenVMS product and expand its > marketing breath and market penetration. > > "VMS is like a home that hasn't been maintained or decorated for 20 > years, and I intend to give it a complete makeover" said Mrs Stewart > during the announcement. > > As first step, Mrs Stewart intends to strip the "Open" from the name. > "It is like idiots who paint a mahogany desk orange. By stripping off > the ugly and confusing "Open", we'll restore VMS to its original high > quality and value." said Mrs Stewart. > > An extensive survey of the operating system and layered products has > revealed an extremely strong core with modern services and market > leading clustering. "Its is something with solid foundations and core > services that is worth building on" was the overwhelming conclusion. > > One of the greatest payback will be the sprucing of the windows. By > giving the window and widget decorations a more modern look, this will > make it much easier to make new customers feel at home and attract new > applications to VMS. Mrs Stewart will evaluate, for HP, whether to hire > a new DECwindows manager, or whether the existing one should be improved. > > Mrs Stewart will also transfer technology that will allow VMS desktops > to have more user friendly environment customisation with Martha Stewart > Living patented colour selection widgets for background and window > decocations, as well as more elaborate patterns. In exchange, VMS > engineers will add colour capability to DCL to make females more at home > with VMS. SET COLOUR/FEMALE will result in DCL making all prompts in > pink, and entered text in taupe. "VMS lacks female customers, it is a > greatly untapped market potential and only Martha Stewart can provide > colour selection swatches that will leverage the market's full potential. > > Massive Co-Marketing Initiative. > > MSL and HP will embark on a massive co-marketing initiative with > co-branding and marketing of each other's products. While Martha Stewart > will feature VMS's makeover on her TV programmes and showcase how its > new modern look will fit better in any home at an affordable price, HP > will include coupons for a reduction on Martha Stewart branded pillows > with every purchase of an HP Ink cartridge. MSL has already committed > to purchasing large VMS systems for their own IT infrastructure. It is > felt that Oprah will also want such systems once she find out her > competitor has them and this will create a huge bandwagon of rich women > moving their IT infrastructure to VMS. > > According to a fourth quarter 2006 report by the market research firm > IDC, HP is the overall worldwide leader in unit shipments in the VMS > server businesses. > > Additional information is available in an online press kit athttp://www.hpee.com/go/marthadoeshurd > > About HP > > HP focuses on filling proprietary ink cartridges for all of its > customers - from individual consumers to the largest businesses. With a > portfolio that spans black, magenta, cyan, yellow, red, green and blue , > HP is the largest manufacturer of HP ink cartridges, with revenue totaling > $94.1 billion for the four fiscal quarters ended Jan. 31, 2007. More > information about HP (NYSE: HPQ) is available athttp://www.hpee.com. > > This news release contains diagonal-looking statements that involve > risks, uncertainties and the assumed existance of a paralel universe. If > such risks or uncertainties materialize or such assumptions prove > correct, the results of HP and its consolidated subsidiaries will differ > randomly from those expressed or implied by such upwards-looking > statements and assumptions. All statements including statements of > historical fact are statements that should be deemed to be fictional > statements , including but not limited to statements of the plans of > cosmetic operations for management ; any statements concerning expected > breast sagging, performance relating to the size of the business units; > anticipated overcooking of rice and associated erectional difficulties; > any statements of expectation or religious belief; and any statements of > assumptions underlying any of the foregoing. Risks, uncertainties and > assumptions include the achievement of pregnancy tests and other risks > that are described from time to time in HP's Securities and Exchange > Commission reports, including but not limited to the risks described in > HP's Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for marital affairs ended Jan. 31, > 2007. HP assumes no obligation nor responsibility for these april fools > statements. ok this is funny - Good April 1st ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 2007 08:52:17 -0700 From: "bill" Subject: Re: HP expands OpenVMS marketing and development Message-ID: <1175442737.524423.57850@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 1, 4:47 am, JF Mezei wrote: > HP Expands OpenVMS marketing and development with strategic initiative > with Martha Steward Living. > Palo Alto, April 1, 2007 > > HP today unveiled a strategic marketing alliance with Martha Stewart > Living which will redevelop the OpenVMS product and expand its > marketing breath and market penetration. > > "VMS is like a home that hasn't been maintained or decorated for 20 > years, and I intend to give it a complete makeover" said Mrs Stewart > during the announcement. > > As first step, Mrs Stewart intends to strip the "Open" from the name. > "It is like idiots who paint a mahogany desk orange. By stripping off > the ugly and confusing "Open", we'll restore VMS to its original high > quality and value." said Mrs Stewart. > > An extensive survey of the operating system and layered products has > revealed an extremely strong core with modern services and market > leading clustering. "Its is something with solid foundations and core > services that is worth building on" was the overwhelming conclusion. > > One of the greatest payback will be the sprucing of the windows. By > giving the window and widget decorations a more modern look, this will > make it much easier to make new customers feel at home and attract new > applications to VMS. Mrs Stewart will evaluate, for HP, whether to hire > a new DECwindows manager, or whether the existing one should be improved. > > Mrs Stewart will also transfer technology that will allow VMS desktops > to have more user friendly environment customisation with Martha Stewart > Living patented colour selection widgets for background and window > decocations, as well as more elaborate patterns. In exchange, VMS > engineers will add colour capability to DCL to make females more at home > with VMS. SET COLOUR/FEMALE will result in DCL making all prompts in > pink, and entered text in taupe. "VMS lacks female customers, it is a > greatly untapped market potential and only Martha Stewart can provide > colour selection swatches that will leverage the market's full potential. > > Massive Co-Marketing Initiative. > > MSL and HP will embark on a massive co-marketing initiative with > co-branding and marketing of each other's products. While Martha Stewart > will feature VMS's makeover on her TV programmes and showcase how its > new modern look will fit better in any home at an affordable price, HP > will include coupons for a reduction on Martha Stewart branded pillows > with every purchase of an HP Ink cartridge. MSL has already committed > to purchasing large VMS systems for their own IT infrastructure. It is > felt that Oprah will also want such systems once she find out her > competitor has them and this will create a huge bandwagon of rich women > moving their IT infrastructure to VMS. > > According to a fourth quarter 2006 report by the market research firm > IDC, HP is the overall worldwide leader in unit shipments in the VMS > server businesses. > > Additional information is available in an online press kit athttp://www.hpee.com/go/marthadoeshurd > > About HP > > HP focuses on filling proprietary ink cartridges for all of its > customers - from individual consumers to the largest businesses. With a > portfolio that spans black, magenta, cyan, yellow, red, green and blue , > HP is the largest manufacturer of HP ink cartridges, with revenue totaling > $94.1 billion for the four fiscal quarters ended Jan. 31, 2007. More > information about HP (NYSE: HPQ) is available athttp://www.hpee.com. > > This news release contains diagonal-looking statements that involve > risks, uncertainties and the assumed existance of a paralel universe. If > such risks or uncertainties materialize or such assumptions prove > correct, the results of HP and its consolidated subsidiaries will differ > randomly from those expressed or implied by such upwards-looking > statements and assumptions. All statements including statements of > historical fact are statements that should be deemed to be fictional > statements , including but not limited to statements of the plans of > cosmetic operations for management ; any statements concerning expected > breast sagging, performance relating to the size of the business units; > anticipated overcooking of rice and associated erectional difficulties; > any statements of expectation or religious belief; and any statements of > assumptions underlying any of the foregoing. Risks, uncertainties and > assumptions include the achievement of pregnancy tests and other risks > that are described from time to time in HP's Securities and Exchange > Commission reports, including but not limited to the risks described in > HP's Quarterly Report on Form 10-Q for marital affairs ended Jan. 31, > 2007. HP assumes no obligation nor responsibility for these april fools > statements. awsome - absolutly awsome - you wouldn't need a real job in marketing would you? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:08:26 +0800 From: Paul Repacholi Subject: Re: OT Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: <87fy7kf56t.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > Nanjing Motors? Are they the ones who want to export under the > name Cherry? Remind me to find out and avoid any product > inheriting so much as a bolt from MG. I'd much rather they'd > scarfed up Delorian, at least those are usefull in movie making. What are you worring about? Has to be better than anything to do with the prince of darkness...... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:50:32 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: In article <1175383921.621644.118840@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" writes: >On Mar 31, 9:19 am, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: >> From: "AEF" >> >> > OK, then what are the "perceived advantages" of email vs. news-reader >> > for those who prefer email? [...] >> >> I automatically keep a copy of e-mail I send from/on my VMS system. >> Will the news reader I use do that for my postings? > >It depends if you consider Google Groups a newsreader. (But it *is* an >alternative to email, which was the original point, right?) It'll keep >a copy of all your posts, and everyone else's, of course! It's free, >you can use it anywhere you have access to the Web, but I admit it >has poor functionality for many things, sometimes cannot correctly >count the number of messages in a thread, even if it's only 3 or 4 >(!), and does just plain weird things at times. > >But it does keep a record of your posts, though no easy way to list >just all of yours, AFAIK. > Well since you can specify the author in advanced group search you should be able to find all your posts. Unfortunately when you click on the links from that list to see the full postings it displays your posting and others in the thread following it. I haven't found a way of setting it up so that when you click on the link you always just get your posting without the other members of the thread. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >[...] >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org >[...] > >AEF > ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 2007 06:05:25 -0700 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: <1175432725.497316.200200@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Apr 1, 7:50 am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1175383921.621644.118...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" writes: > > >On Mar 31, 9:19 am, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > >> From: "AEF" > > >> > OK, then what are the "perceived advantages" of email vs. news-reader > >> > for those who prefer email? [...] > > >> I automatically keep a copy of e-mail I send from/on my VMS system. > >> Will the news reader I use do that for my postings? > > >It depends if you consider Google Groups a newsreader. (But it *is* an > >alternative to email, which was the original point, right?) It'll keep > >a copy of all your posts, and everyone else's, of course! It's free, > >you can use it anywhere you have access to the Web, but I admit it > >has poor functionality for many things, sometimes cannot correctly > >count the number of messages in a thread, even if it's only 3 or 4 > >(!), and does just plain weird things at times. > > >But it does keep a record of your posts, though no easy way to list > >just all of yours, AFAIK. > > Well since you can specify the author in advanced group search you should be > able to find all your posts. > Unfortunately when you click on the links from that list to see the full > postings it displays your posting and others in the thread following it. > I haven't found a way of setting it up so that when you click on the link you > always just get your posting without the other members of the thread. > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > >[...] > >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > >[...] > > >AEF That's why I said > I haven't found a way of setting it up so that when you click on the link you > always just get your posting without the other members of the ^^^^ thread. What's most annoying is then fishing your own posts out of all the others. And the one quoted in the search results is not always the one Google takes you to when you click the link for that result! If you ever do find a way, please do tell. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:44:24 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: In article <1175432725.497316.200200@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" writes: >On Apr 1, 7:50 am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >> In article <1175383921.621644.118...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" writes: >> >> >On Mar 31, 9:19 am, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: >> >> From: "AEF" >> >> >> > OK, then what are the "perceived advantages" of email vs. news-reader >> >> > for those who prefer email? [...] >> >> >> I automatically keep a copy of e-mail I send from/on my VMS system. >> >> Will the news reader I use do that for my postings? >> >> >It depends if you consider Google Groups a newsreader. (But it *is* an >> >alternative to email, which was the original point, right?) It'll keep >> >a copy of all your posts, and everyone else's, of course! It's free, >> >you can use it anywhere you have access to the Web, but I admit it >> >has poor functionality for many things, sometimes cannot correctly >> >count the number of messages in a thread, even if it's only 3 or 4 >> >(!), and does just plain weird things at times. >> >> >But it does keep a record of your posts, though no easy way to list >> >just all of yours, AFAIK. >> >> Well since you can specify the author in advanced group search you should be >> able to find all your posts. >> Unfortunately when you click on the links from that list to see the full >> postings it displays your posting and others in the thread following it. >> I haven't found a way of setting it up so that when you click on the link you >> always just get your posting without the other members of the thread. >> >> David Webb >> Security team leader >> CCSS >> Middlesex University >> >> >[...] >> >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org >> >[...] >> >> >AEF > > >That's why I said > >> I haven't found a way of setting it up so that when you click on the link you >> always just get your posting without the other members of the > ^^^^ >thread. > Be careful what you cut and paste. The above is what I said. I suspect you meant to paste " But it does keep a record of your posts, though no easy way to list just all of yours, AFAIK. ^^^^ " David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >What's most annoying is then fishing your own posts out of all the >others. And the one quoted in the search results is not always the one >Google takes you to when you click the link for that result! > >If you ever do find a way, please do tell. > >AEF > ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 2007 09:39:46 -0700 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: OT: Re: Rules of Engagement WAS: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: <1175445586.833372.154600@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Apr 1, 11:44 am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1175432725.497316.200...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" writes: > > >On Apr 1, 7:50 am, davi...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > >> In article <1175383921.621644.118...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, "AEF" writes: > > >> >On Mar 31, 9:19 am, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > >> >> From: "AEF" > > >> >> > OK, then what are the "perceived advantages" of email vs. news-reader > >> >> > for those who prefer email? [...] > > >> >> I automatically keep a copy of e-mail I send from/on my VMS system. > >> >> Will the news reader I use do that for my postings? > > >> >It depends if you consider Google Groups a newsreader. (But it *is* an > >> >alternative to email, which was the original point, right?) It'll keep > >> >a copy of all your posts, and everyone else's, of course! It's free, > >> >you can use it anywhere you have access to the Web, but I admit it > >> >has poor functionality for many things, sometimes cannot correctly > >> >count the number of messages in a thread, even if it's only 3 or 4 > >> >(!), and does just plain weird things at times. > > >> >But it does keep a record of your posts, though no easy way to list > >> >just all of yours, AFAIK. > > >> Well since you can specify the author in advanced group search you should be > >> able to find all your posts. > >> Unfortunately when you click on the links from that list to see the full > >> postings it displays your posting and others in the thread following it. > >> I haven't found a way of setting it up so that when you click on the link you > >> always just get your posting without the other members of the thread. > > >> David Webb > >> Security team leader > >> CCSS > >> Middlesex University > > >> >[...] > >> >> Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > >> >[...] > > >> >AEF > > >That's why I said > > >> I haven't found a way of setting it up so that when you click on the link you > >> always just get your posting without the other members of the > > ^^^^ > >thread. > > Be careful what you cut and paste. The above is what I said. > I suspect you meant to paste > > " > But it does keep a record of your posts, though no easy way to list > just all of yours, AFAIK. > ^^^^ > " > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University > > >What's most annoying is then fishing your own posts out of all the > >others. And the one quoted in the search results is not always the one > >Google takes you to when you click the link for that result! > > >If you ever do find a way, please do tell. > > >AEF You're right! I screwed up. ... One of my many talents. ;-) AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:58:20 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: SMTP strangeness Message-ID: In SYS$SYSROOT:[SYS$STARTUP]TCPIP$SMTP_SYSTARTUP.COM I have: $ FILE := CLUSTER_STARTUP:TCPIP$SMTP_SYSTARTUP.COM $ IF F$SEARCH(FILE) .NES. "" THEN @ 'FILE' $ EXIT where CLUSTER_STARTUP:TCPIP$SMTP_SYSTARTUP.COM has this at the end: $! Prepared by Jean-François Mezei, $! Vaxination informatque $! Montréal, Canada $! vaxination@videotron.ca $! $! from text in the [Digital] TCPIP Services Management reference manual $!and release notes from TCPIP 5.3 $! and was modified by me somewhat from JF's original version. Since TCPIP$SMTP_SYSTARTUP.COM was in SYS$SPECIFIC and not in SYS$COMMON, the stuff wasn't getting executed for a satellite. So, I copied it to SYS$COMMON and restarted SMTP on the satellite. I then looked at TCPIP$SMTP_LOGFILE.LOG to check the value of Symbiont-Checks-Deliverability and was surprised to see it set to TRUE, the default value, rather than FALSE as specified in TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON:SMTP.CONFIG. I then discovered that in order for the values in SMTP.CONFIG to be picked up, I have to restart the entire TCPIP, not just SMTP. Bug or feature? (On my cluster, where I have at the moment 1 ALPHA and 2 VAXes, I like to keep the cluster alias on the ALPHA so that the anti-spam features of TCPIP 5.4 can be used. That means that when I restart TPCIP on the ALPHA, I have to restart it on the VAX nodes as well since otherwise the cluster alias will jump to a VAX when I restart it on the ALPHA. This is an additional pain in addition to having to restart all of TCPIP and not just SMTP.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 08:44:53 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Switching off MULTITHREAD Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ger_Marsh [mailto:marsh_family@btconnect.com]=20 > Sent: March 30, 2007 4:44 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Switching off MULTITHREAD >=20 > Hello VMSers! >=20 > In reaction to a nasty process hang problem which involves OpenVMS > V7.3-2, a "legacy" application (in other words, over 10 years old!) > and IBM's Websphere MQ (messaging system) I am considering switching > off VMS threads by setting the sysgen param MULTITHREAD to zero. >=20 > I suspect the problem is due to MQ becoming multithreaded over the > last few versions and the application - supplied by a third party - > making heavy use of AST's. The process never comes out of HIB state. > Restarting the process makes everything ok until the next time! I > suspect it's a clash between the AST and pthreads as pthread calls > figure heavily in the stack and SHO CALL in SDA. >=20 > (Application images have to be explicitly linked to pthreads rtl to > cure a previous hang and have upcalls enabled to prevent an ACCVIO!) >=20 > I know that ACME_SERVER comes up as multithreaded in show sys/multi/ > full... > Pid Process Name State Pri I/O CPU Page > flts Pages > 28200815 ACME_SERVER HIB 8 95 0 00:00:00.24 > 374 523 M > 28201015 HIB 10 > 28201815 HIB 10 > =20 > [SYSTEM] 4184Kb > ...but I don't think that any other aspect of VMS is impacted. >=20 > If I set the param to 0, can anyone think of any detrimental effects? > MQ will work under this and the application is certainly not > multithreaded. >=20 > As ever, any info would be gratefully received. >=20 > Bye for now, >=20 >=20 > Gerald. >=20 Wag, but do you have the following V7.3-2 MQ Series patch applied? ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/VMS732_MQ-V0400.txt It mentions a few process thread issues resolved. As a suggestion, this MQ patch is included in the latest Update patch kit, so you might want to ensure you have all the latest V7.3-2 patches and use this Update kit vs the individual MQ patch. ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/VMS732_UPDATE-V1100.t xt ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/alpha/V7.3-2/ Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:32:21 +0800 From: Paul Repacholi Subject: Re: SYSBOOT.EXE not found with MOP boot Message-ID: <87y7lcdpii.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com> Jonathan Casiot writes: > Typing 'boot ewa0' on VMS2 then begins the MOP boot. This gets as far as: > %VMScluster-I-MSCPCONN, Connected to a MSCP server for the system > disk, node VMS1 > %APB-I-FILENOTLOC, Unable to locate SYSBOOT.EXE ^^^^^ You are getting booted, but APB can't find SYSBOOT.EXE. I think it looks for it in [SYSEXE], not [SYSn...] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:11:31 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: TCPIP$SMTP_MIME_HACK Message-ID: $! TCPIP$SMTP_MIME_HACK $! When set, SMTP accepts 8BITMIME requests from SMTP clients, $! preventing the clients from converting the message into a 7-bit $! format. $! $!DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$SMTP_MIME_HACK 1 What exactly does this do? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:14:48 +0800 From: Paul Repacholi Subject: Re: Time for C.O.V.subgroups ? Message-ID: <877iswf4w7.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com> bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > As for creating sub-groups of comp.os.vms, I would not get my hopes > up. The current USENET model would require that you convince a > large number of people who have never heard of VMS that it was > worthwhile. It is much more likely to result in them starting a > vote on wether or not to kill c.o.v. Some things are best left > alone. Practicle detail. Many ISP take no notice of control messages to create or remove groups. So in many parts of the net, the new shiny group will not exist, but ant post to/from it will go into the bit bucket because of the `non-existant group'. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:27:38 +0800 From: Paul Repacholi Subject: Re: Willing to bet this is Windows at its best Message-ID: <873b3kf4at.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > Originally READALL did not allow the operator to /record, but I > think that was fixed specifically for this case, from the point of > view that the meta-data on the file should be kept correct by the > OS, but READALL should not allow other attributes or the users' > data to be changed. READALL allowed the backup job to read all the data, duhh, and to write the updated backup date to the file header. This was done by allowing any header update, including File Owner, Protection Mask... I think it was fixed some time ago to only allow the /RECORD to work and not the more adveturous bits ;) ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.182 ************************