INFO-VAX Wed, 21 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 159 Contents: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: FTP over SSL Fwd: Job--a short subcontract Re: Itanium exception handling performance NDS Lite will get a new OpSystem Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist error and question Re: Problems zipping RBF file Re: Problems zipping RBF file Re: Problems zipping RBF file Re: system job que manager not running VMS V7.2 upgrade - TCPIP and PWRK Re: Willing to bet this is Windows at its best ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Mar 2007 10:51:47 -0700 From: "Werty" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1174413107.020465.196270@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> It gets worse . The U.S. Govt has forced all corps to tax subsidies . Thus they listen to govt , not consumers . There is no way to improve this , as the govt has absolute control , thru taxation . They ( Congress) will listen to no one . Thus , AMD and MicroSoft and Intel and Micro and Hewlett Packard and Walmart and MacDonalds and G.M. and RadioShack and GEICO and ............ whats left ? Will stop producing in the near future . Nothing . Not one product leaving the factory . No CPU's , no computers , no software , nothing .. And your job also .... I am an E.E. . I want to start a factory to make computers . The U.S. Govt forbids me to start any business of any kind . Get the picture ? ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2007 17:03:42 -0700 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1174435422.885210.129490@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Mar 20, 12:01 am, dav...@montagar.com wrote: > On Mar 18, 8:30 pm, "AEF" wrote: > > > On Mar 18, 4:10 pm, dav...@montagar.com wrote: > > > It's not irrelevant, as you later in your own post you state: "(though > > > we should care about where *all* taxes go)" > > > > So, appearently I SHOULD care about where all the taxes go, except a > > > tax which you have some sort of philophical attachment to. That > > > doesn't make any sense, Bill. How can you write that with a straight > > > keyboard? What if all that tax money ended up in the pockets of Exxon/ > > > Mobile? Would that be okay with you? Or would that suddenly not be > > > irrelevant? > > > So we can't do anything because it might cause some problem. I guess a > > small risk of some money going to Exxon Mobil is worse than ruining > > the climate of the planet (assuming it really is a problem). > > You need to understand the risks, and be sure they aren't worse than > alternative. That's the basis for critical thinking. And there's no > basis that simply adding a tax is going to make the world all better. I already gave the basis. > > > > > Which (as noted above) is indeed an answer, whether you agree with it or > > > > not. > > > > And what if the tax disbursement suddenly was disagreeable with you? > > > You see, I just don't see imposing a tax as a "solution". I assure > > > you that tax money is going to be spent somewhere, and if gets spent > > > on things that encourage fossil fuel usage, then the tax is worse than > > > not having it. > > > If, if, if!!! What if the gov't puts the money in a stove and burns it > > up! How do you come up with these things? > > How do you simply ignore the other half of the equation? You seem to believe that it is not possible politically to institute a carbon tax effectively. Well, I'm here only to argue its economic merits if done properly. So I'll skip all the political aspects. > > > > Why just this issue, Bill? You recognize the importance of knowing > > > where taxes go, but why is this tax so "holy" that it's disbursement > > > is somehow beyond question, or appearently even consideration? > > > > No, the question is not irrelevant. It's an unconfortable question, > > > and you just don't have an answer for it. > > > So where does gasoline tax go? > > Where does the cigarette tax go? > > Dodging a question with a question, are we? Politics. I'll add this though, gasoline taxes are much, much higher in Europe and the world hasn't come to an end. I'm sure it reduces gasoline consumption. How much I can't say, but it has to. > > > If one just starts a carbon tax, it can go into the general fund which > > means it will help pay down the national debt. What's wrong with that? > > The Fed can't even keep the Social Security "lockbox" locked. The > increase in the "general fund" will get nibbled away by special > interest groups and the new bureacracy created to manage the tax. > Take careful note of some of the verbiage used in Federal Budgets that > use creative language to describe a reduced increase in a budget as a > "budget CUT" despite in raw numbers, it's still a budget increase. Politics... > > > Can you give an example of some tax that sends money to some awful > > place? (Maybe you can -- I'm just asking for examples.) > > Did you know tobacco farmers still receive federal subsidies? Fine, but are these causally related or only related by coincidence? Many crops are subsidized without a corresponding consumption tax. Again, politics. > > I'll tell you what would likely happen, this "carbon tax" would end up > being used to provide "foreign aide" or "carbon offsets" or other WTO > benefits to carbon polluting countries (after all, they need our > help), which would help subsidize their products so we'll continue to > buy them. Net result on CO2? 0%. Yeah, I'm a cynic, but you have to > admit that this isn't a far-fetched result. Politics. AEF ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2007 17:12:18 -0700 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1174435938.031535.253420@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 20, 12:12 am, dav...@montagar.com wrote: > On Mar 18, 8:36 pm, "AEF" wrote: > > > The market will do its magic and provide an alternative. What if the > > price of oil went up all on its own without any tax? > > Like today, alternatives are becoming more (and truly) competitive. Hmmmm, I don't see too many non-gasoline cars out there on the road yet. Hey, you can phase the carbon tax in slowly and observe the results. > > > The tax money will help pay down the national debt, which if left > > unaddressed can cause inflation or even hyperinflation. > > Won't happen. The money will either get spent "helping" those hurt by > the added tax burden, which makes it ineffective, and/or otherwise > consumed by the bureacracy such a new tax would create. Excuse me, but that depends on the details. If done correctly, you're wrong. I won't argue the political probabilities of it being done correctly as I don't know, except that I think you're overly pessimistic. Anyway, you can give a small tax break that amounts to less than typical carbon consumption to only the very poorest individuals. Even they would benefit from cutting back on carbon consumption as the "tax rebate" is based on their income, not their consumption. (You really couldn't figure this out from what I already posted?) > > > > It did. Many people worked the equations through and proposed > > > experiments to VALIDATE that theory. You are proposing a theory that > > > taxing fossil fuels will reduce CO2 emissions. I'm simply challenging > > > your theory by following the equations through, specifically the money > > > trail for starters. > > > When the price of oil went up in 1973 and 1979, it reduced use of oil. > > I've already said this. > > But it also make some oil that was previously "impractical" to > retrieve worth extracting, thus actually boosting production of > otherwise unproductive wells. But that wouldn't happen with the carbon tax if done correctly because the oil companies would not get any of it and therefore have no incentive to boost production and the alternatives should start kicking in anyway. > > > > And that's why I used the Monty Python reference, since it sounds good > > > at first, until you really realize what he said. Just taxing > > > something doesn't make it automatically a good idea, despite what > > > others may think. > > > It doesn't automatically make it a bad idea, either. It cuts both > > ways. > > But in actual practice, it simply doesn't work. Politics. Economically it would work, if implemented correctly. > > > > > Quantum mechanics is as crazy as nature gets, but is fully verified by > > > > experiment, and you wouldn't have modern computers without it. > > > > But you haven't proved taxing an item reduces it's usage. What about > > > Income Tax? Wouldn't that tend to reduce income, since higher income > > > levels are taxed at a higher rate (35%) than lower income levels? And what evidence do you have that higher rates do not discourage people from working harder to make more? > > > You don't buy income. And how do you know what the situation would be > > if the higher rate went away? You don't. You're comaring apples to > > nothing. > > But you work for it. You buy it terms of labor. Why work harder for > reduced rate of return? Some examples, please? > > > > based upon your taxation theory, the income tax is designed to reduce > > > everyones income to a essentially minimum wage (where you pay $0 > > > income tax). But that doesn't happen. Tax is not always a > > > disincentive. > > > No, my theory doesn't say that. You're convoluting it and I'm not > > going to fall for it. > > But you saying your theory says that for taxing fossil fuels? You lost me here. AEF ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2007 17:18:35 -0700 From: "AEF" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1174436315.715540.272000@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Mar 20, 12:37 am, dav...@montagar.com wrote: > On Mar 18, 8:18 pm, "AEF" wrote: > > > > Yes, the tax money needs to go somewhere, and to whose benefit is it > > > really being tweaked? I keep getting answers like "It doesn't matter" > > > or "give it to the countries producing the most CO2". Which is either > > > disingenius or downright counter-productive. And tweaking > > > Well, the tax could help reduce the spiraling national debt. > > Finally, at least an attempt. Of course, I believe what would really > happen is that special interest groups will simply nibble away at it. Nibble away at what? There's a deficit!!! There's nothing to nibble at! > > > > to achieve societal goals is not only nothing new, but often doesn't > > > work, either. I'd wager that the true effect of this tax would > > > benefit those already in the fossil fuel market, at the continued > > > expense of the consumer. > > > How do you figure that? > > Let's take an extreme example of a law that benefits those it's > against: Who is financially benefiting from the fact that certain > drugs are illegal. The makers of illegal drugs. Not a valid analogy. So if you make gasoline illegal this would somehow benefit the oil companies? > > Do the existing gasoline taxes reduce driving? No they help build new > roads which help encourage increased driving, and despite the tax, we > have more people driving and with larger vehicles (again, to the > benefit of the oil companies). And what would be the case without the tax? Roads would be funded otherhow without the tax. We have more people driving larger vehicles because the inflation-adjusted price of gasoline went way down in the 90's and early 2000's. Your describing outcomes and misattributing them to one particular thing that is swamped by other much larger effects. > > > When price goes up, usage goes down. What's so hard about that? > > Sometimes the demand is very inelastic and that complicates things. > > Bingo. I don't believe the demand is as elastic as you think, and > without a replacement for a fossil resource, all you do is > artificially raise the price without providing a viable way to reduce > CO2 emissions. The whole point of the tax is to encourage entrepreneurs to develop alternatives. You'd rather the gov't pick the winners? AEF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:51:21 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <46008189.5FF1322C@spam.comcast.net> AEF wrote: > > On Mar 20, 12:12 am, dav...@montagar.com wrote: > > On Mar 18, 8:36 pm, "AEF" wrote: > > > > > The market will do its magic and provide an alternative. What if the > > > price of oil went up all on its own without any tax? > > > > Like today, alternatives are becoming more (and truly) competitive. > > Hmmmm, I don't see too many non-gasoline cars out there on the road > yet. Dunno 'bout Europe, but cars and light trucks sold in the U.S. built in the last two model years have been increasing in their ability to use "E-85" (85% Ethanol, 15% unleaded gasoline). I know - well short of the mark, but better a "crooked furrow than a field unplowed". It's going to take a lot to change the paradigm that vehicles consume fossil fuel and if it doesn't its not a vehicle. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2007 20:49:13 -0500 From: kuhrt.nospammy@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: In article , lederman@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) writes: >>> In article >> 0049C8AA@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >>> > >>> >Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? >>> >Pointer? > > I think cURL may do what you want. Although usually described > as a a web page retriever, it does also do ftp, and there is an > SSL version. (I've done ftp, haven't tried it with SSL myself.) > > http://curl.haxx.se > > -- > B. Z. Lederman. My personal opinions. I did a quick test of ftps with curl 7.16.1 using this command... $ curl -v --ftp-ssl-reqd ftps://user:pass@knife.kuhrt.net:21 Where user was the username and pass was the password on knife (a Mac runnning CrushFTP4 that does ftps) and it worked (somewhat). It connected and did all the right things, but my CACERT setup was wrong, so it failed (but that wasn't a cURL or CrushFTP problem). SFTP on the otherhand is _not_ supported in cURL. At least not in the build I distribute on the curl.haxx.se site. If you want to try and build it with the SSH2 stuff, be my guest, and let me know how you got it to work. Since I use curl to do website testing I don't use, or test, the ftp stuff. Regards, Marty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:10:30 -0700 From: DeanW Subject: Fwd: Job--a short subcontract Message-ID: <3f119ada0703201810i197a0f7fsd4c23de872fde034@mail.gmail.com> You know what I know. Call the number listed if you wish to know more. (No, I don't have an email for the originator.) Does anyone have any experience with VAX / VMS security that would be interested in a potential 1-2 week subcontracted project in New Mexico? Let me know if you're interested. If you know ANYONE who could fill this role, please have them contact me. Thanks! Brian Morkert President CISSP, CISA, MCSE, Security+ 3800A Bridgeport Way #542 University Place, WA 98466 Cell =96 (three six zero) two six five zero four two one *TrustCC =96 Where trust is key* *Visit our forums at *www.trustcc.com/forum *Notice:* This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this message. Also, be notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:08:25 -0500 From: Dan Foster Subject: Re: Itanium exception handling performance Message-ID: Folks, Thank you very much for the clear and concise technical explanations. I found it fascinating, and found it made perfect sense. I only wish I could reciprocate in some way. MIPS, eh? That's interesting. I'm guessing Intel's PC-based (as in program counter) approach may have been historical; it's hard to stop a historical juggernaut once it's got enough steam. I also appreciated the words of someone from a well-known engineering laboratory whom had additional insight into the subject, just as we happened to be discussing it here. :-) http://64.223.189.234/node/160 Incidentally, this reminds me of how Sun chose to implement their Niagara processors differently (from an architectural perspective). They can save all registers (for all threads) and related context switch information with a single call since they sized it to be big enough to do it all in one gulp. This is one of the reasons why thread-switching (up to 8 hardware threads per core) is a cheap operation on Niagara. It's roughly along the lines of changing a pointer to another area of what I informally call 'thread information block'. No criticism of other architectures; just merely mentioning a different approach. Of course, Sun's first Niagara implementation also had an absymal FP engine (corrected in second generation). It also had the benefit of hindsight as it is newer than most architectures today. I will be sure to keep I64 issues in mind when writing code. Thanks! I also found it interesting to read about how architectural design choices affects real world apps, even indirectly. From my reading, it does indeed sound like quite a challenge for the HP folks to try and improve performance in some way, to the extent possible. -Dan ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2007 11:15:18 -0700 From: "Werty" Subject: NDS Lite will get a new OpSystem Message-ID: <1174414518.034348.21060@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Its easy to create a new OpSystem for the NDS Lite game box . I have 12 Lites . They are very hi-quality and very fast . But most ppl are trying to make trouble , and sell "free" s/w . Everything you've heard about software is high pressure advertizing . It does not work . The new OpSystem will be free , and use NO English nor ASCII text . It will run NO old , existing s/w . No Opertaing manuals .... NO application s/w will be ported . ------------------------------------------ MicroSoft , Linux and C++ are NOISE , useless obtuse garbage . Why fight it !! you'll simply ruin your repute .. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2007 11:24:47 -0700 From: "Werty" Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist error and question Message-ID: <1174415087.429755.180410@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> It is NOT possible to sell software . I am the worlds best systems programmer . 1) The best software is allways free , and 2) it MUST obsolete other s/w to be of value . Its value IS to obsolete !!! ------------------------------------- I have 12 NDS lite , gameboxes . I will create a OpSys that does not need English nor ASCII text . It will obsolete all the existing homebrew s/w for the NDS lite , because it will not have any of the silly dependencies ! If you get a game , you must also install LIBNDS or LibFat or excuse excuse excuse ...... My OpSystem has no loadable apps . All 'extensions" and "apps" must be made a permanent part of the kernel . When you turn game box on , all apps will also be "on" , no excuses .... Because they are part of the kernel , all executable code IS the kernel ! Thus reuseable code , compresses the kernel to a few megabytes ! Which turns your new "game" app into a tiny script file , that merely "calls" kernel code ! All the code and sprites and clever icons and are allready embedded into the kernel ! ALL YOUR WORK HAS BEEN DONE FOR YOU ! ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2007 14:09:54 -0700 From: twnews@kittles.com Subject: Re: Problems zipping RBF file Message-ID: <1174424994.517778.67060@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Dr. Dweeb wrote: > DeanW wrote: >> Oh, what a tangled web... >> >> On a DS20, VMS 7.2-1 / RDB 7.1-240 / ZIP 2.3 >> >> One customer site is insisting that database backups be transferred >> off to their primary backup system, rather than relying on the VMS >> system's DDS-3 tape. (Putting all their eggs in a Windows basket... I >> digress.) >> >> So we do a database backup to disk, which gets us RBF & AIJ files. To >> be careful, we want to encapsulate those in a ZIP file, right? >> >> ZIP won't handle the RBF, giving no reason- just won't store it. (see >> below) So now we have to BACKUP the RBF & AIJ files before we can ZIP >> them, to FTP them across town. It'd be nice to skip the BACKUP step, >> as the system's loaded down enough that (I'm told) BACKUP is causing >> performance issues. >> >> The disk this is being done on has ~70GB of free space. >> >> Any clues? I've thought about trying VMSTAR, but ideally we'd prefer >> to just skip the step altogether. >> >> -------------------->8 cut here 8<-------------------- >> >> EAGLE$ CD SYS$USER3:[RDB_DATABASES.BACKUPS] >> SYS$USER3:[RDB_DATABASES.BACKUPS] >> EAGLE$ zip "-V" LT$2007-03-19.zip LT$2007-03-19.RBF >> adding: LT$2007-03-19.RBF (stored 0%) >> EAGLE$ >> >> -------------------->8 cut here 8<-------------------- > > Firstly, the RdbListServer is the best place for these questions. > > I have done this plenty of times. > > 1: ZIP has an architectural file size limit. IIRC it is 2GB on every > platform. Is the expected size of your local file smaller than 2GB ? > > 2: Making an .RBR (export) and zipping it makes a massively smaller file, if > space is an issue and you do not need the additional capabilities offerred > by an RBF file. > > 3: Do not forget the "-V" qualifier. > > 4: I have found levels above "5" to be more expensive in CPU and clock time > than the effort was worth. YMMV > > > Dweeb > > No offense Dweeb, but it turns out this is the perfect place for this. I had the exact same problem 2 weeks ago. The RDB backup file would not zip. It seemed to think it did, but it only placed an empty place holder in the zip file (no data, no content at all). I thought all of the same things that are listed here. I figured it would be easy, so I tried a quick upgrade of zip to the latest version before I posted here. That fixed it! As I say, "I would rather have it fixed and not know why, then have it broken (with no clear fix) and know why!" I am very confident that the newest version of zip will fix your problems. Just download it and replace your current zip.exe with it. Hope that helps. Thomas Wirt Director of IS Kittle's Home Furnishings ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:42:43 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Problems zipping RBF file Message-ID: <07032016424385_2020028F@antinode.org> From: twnews@kittles.com > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > 1: ZIP has an architectural file size limit. IIRC it is 2GB on every > > platform. Is the expected size of your local file smaller than 2GB ? Private e-mail suggests that the large-file threshold is a problem here. Not having seen a DIRE /FULL of any file which causes the problem, there are limits on how much guessing I wish to do. > [...] I had the exact same problem 2 weeks ago. The RDB backup file > would not zip. It seemed to think it did, but it only placed an empty > place holder in the zip file (no data, no content at all). I thought > all of the same things that are listed here. I figured it would be > easy, so I tried a quick upgrade of zip to the latest version before I > posted here. That fixed it! As I say, "I would rather have it fixed > and not know why, then have it broken (with no clear fix) and know > why!" I am very confident that the newest version of zip will fix > your problems. Just download it and replace your current zip.exe with > it. Before Zip version 2.31, "zip -V" had several problems, so many things are possible. "[T]he latest version" is not a well-defined quantity. The latest released versions are Zip 2.32 and UnZip 5,52. The latest unreleased versions (perhaps soon to be Zip 3.0f "BETA" and UnZip 6.00d "BETA") are much more entertaining, offering large-file support, fewer ODS5 problems, bzip2 compression, real facility codes in VMS exit status values, symbolic link support on VMS, and, probably, whole new vistas of bugs to be discovered. (I don't know about you, but the suspense is starting to get to me.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:23:52 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: Problems zipping RBF file Message-ID: <46005ef7$0$7612$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk> twnews@kittles.com wrote: > Dr. Dweeb wrote: >> DeanW wrote: >>> Oh, what a tangled web... >>> >>> On a DS20, VMS 7.2-1 / RDB 7.1-240 / ZIP 2.3 >>> >>> One customer site is insisting that database backups be transferred >>> off to their primary backup system, rather than relying on the VMS >>> system's DDS-3 tape. (Putting all their eggs in a Windows basket... >>> I digress.) >>> >>> So we do a database backup to disk, which gets us RBF & AIJ files. >>> To be careful, we want to encapsulate those in a ZIP file, right? >>> >>> ZIP won't handle the RBF, giving no reason- just won't store it. >>> (see below) So now we have to BACKUP the RBF & AIJ files before we >>> can ZIP them, to FTP them across town. It'd be nice to skip the >>> BACKUP step, as the system's loaded down enough that (I'm told) >>> BACKUP is causing performance issues. >>> >>> The disk this is being done on has ~70GB of free space. >>> >>> Any clues? I've thought about trying VMSTAR, but ideally we'd prefer >>> to just skip the step altogether. >>> >>> -------------------->8 cut here 8<-------------------- >>> >>> EAGLE$ CD SYS$USER3:[RDB_DATABASES.BACKUPS] >>> SYS$USER3:[RDB_DATABASES.BACKUPS] >>> EAGLE$ zip "-V" LT$2007-03-19.zip LT$2007-03-19.RBF >>> adding: LT$2007-03-19.RBF (stored 0%) >>> EAGLE$ >>> >>> -------------------->8 cut here 8<-------------------- >> >> Firstly, the RdbListServer is the best place for these questions. >> >> I have done this plenty of times. >> >> 1: ZIP has an architectural file size limit. IIRC it is 2GB on every >> platform. Is the expected size of your local file smaller than 2GB ? >> >> 2: Making an .RBR (export) and zipping it makes a massively smaller >> file, if space is an issue and you do not need the additional >> capabilities offerred by an RBF file. >> >> 3: Do not forget the "-V" qualifier. >> >> 4: I have found levels above "5" to be more expensive in CPU and >> clock time than the effort was worth. YMMV >> >> >> Dweeb >> >> > No offense Dweeb, but it turns out this is the perfect place for > this. The volume of Rdb DBAs in the list is considerably larger than here, so the chance of hitting someone with a similar problem is higher. This is just my take on the statistics. IIRC someone from your organisation is on the list - maybe you for all I know. > I had the exact same problem 2 weeks ago. The RDB backup file > would not zip. It seemed to think it did, but it only placed an empty > place holder in the zip file (no data, no content at all). I thought > all of the same things that are listed here. I figured it would be > easy, so I tried a quick upgrade of zip to the latest version before I > posted here. That fixed it! As I say, "I would rather have it fixed > and not know why, then have it broken (with no clear fix) and know > why!" I am very confident that the newest version of zip will fix > your problems. Just download it and replace your current zip.exe with > it. > I don't have a problem, you should address your response to the OP. > Hope that helps. > > Thomas Wirt > Director of IS > Kittle's Home Furnishings ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:56:56 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: system job que manager not running Message-ID: <975b$46003c8b$cef8887a$24877@TEKSAVVY.COM> chris wrote: > We cant seem to restart the queues on our cluster , when we start them they > stop straight after. Prior to this i did a cluster wide change to a logical > which shouldnt affect the queues any ideas ?? ta Look at your console or do a REPLY/ENABLE from a privileged account, and check what messages are issued when you try to start the queue manager. The odds are good that it will give you a very good clue on that. Also, what logical did you change ? Remember that QMAN$MASTER points to a directory, not a file. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:38:45 -0500 From: John Subject: VMS V7.2 upgrade - TCPIP and PWRK Message-ID: <46007085.7080503@tx.rr.com> Well it is hard to believe but we are getting closer to actually upgrading our servers from V7.2 to V7.3-2. Okay, now give me a break - we would like to go to V8.3 but we have some application dependencies that require a bit more effort... so V7.3-2 it is. I have two concerns that I would like some feedback - one with PWRK and the second with TCPIP. To begin with, we are bringing another server online (V7.3-2) into our existing V7.2 cluster. We have tested and identified problem areas and have solutions for them. Once the V7.3-2 server is online we plan on moving the V7.2 applicaitons & users over, shutting down the V7.2 servers, upgrade them to V7.3, work on some known hardware issues, etc., then bring the old V7.2 (now V7.3-2) servers back into the cluster. My understanding is that we need to upgrade A/S (PWRK). Any ideas& thought on the best solution to upgrade PWRK? I have installed the TCPIP stack with V8.2 and have had the opportunity to play with the fail over capability. I like. However I believe there are upgrade issues with PROXY configurations? Or is it EXPORT. Any insight would be helpful! TIA john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:12:02 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Willing to bet this is Windows at its best Message-ID: <9105c$46004015$cef8887a$30734@TEKSAVVY.COM> Maverick wrote: > But do you know any other operating system that would allow this? The accident depicted above isn't because they were running windows. Running windows is a side effect of a shop that is cheap and doesn't realise the value of its data. Another side effect is hiring of people with less experience. Another side effect is the lack of management/procedural safeguards that would have known that the kiddie was asked to work on a disk that contained valuable data, and safeguards that would have required that tape backups be verified before he be allowed to work on that drive. Similarly, running VMS doesn't make your system great/impenetrable/safe/reliable. But the types of people who do choose VMS tend to also be experienced and smart and will manage/design their environment to work reliably. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.159 ************************