INFO-VAX Mon, 19 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 156 Contents: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: AMD's well may be running dry Re: ANN: AsItHappens for OpenVMS Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger Re: Comments on my license reuse plan Re: Cool new features in OpenVMS 8.3 Re: Cool new features in OpenVMS 8.3 FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL RE: FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL Re: FTP over SSL Re: Help with a BA-356 Storageworks Re: Help with a BA-356 Storageworks Re: Please keep the religious drivel out of comp.os.vms Re: Power Consumption Re: Power Consumption Re: Power Consumption Re: Shopping cart that works on VMS Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Switch to PREFERRED_PATH on HSZ80 and VMS 7.2-1 Re: Whos behind the publication of Bob's garish newsletter? Re: WinSCP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:43:31 GMT From: "Dave Weatherall" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 04:22:05 UTC, Bill Todd wrote: > is not in question. That there are other factors at work that could > cause temperature rise independent of (and *in addition to*) that caused > by human activity is also not in question. But neither does anything to > dispute the assertion that human activity is also itself contributing to > temperature rise. > as the surface temperatures are. Now, this could suggest that there are > other factors at work *too* in the surface temperature rise, or that we > don't understand exactly how greenhouse heating works in terms of its > But that has nothing to do with whether the threat of GW is real: Thanks Bill for a well presented argument. My take is :- Nay sayers say 'GW is natural consequence of natural events' Pro sayers say 'Oh no it isn't ! It's man-made' In this small context, they do, at least, agree that GW is happening now. That's a form of progress, I suppose Taken literally, the nay-sayers are correct and the pro-sayers then do the environment a dis-service by -not- emphasising the fact that human activity, which could be reduced or even eliminated, is *disturbing the balance* that can/will lead to catastrophe. -- Cheers - Dave W. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 05:22:01 -0700 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1174306921.857375.158010@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On 18 Mar, 19:49, "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > Bill Todd wrote: > > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > > ... > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831&q=global... > > I rather enjoyed this film (thanks to whoever posted the link originally), I > saw it for the first time just now. It simply adds more weight to what I > and those with slightly less political agenda and with a higher burden of > proof level have written here and continue to write. > Probably not the best choice to have made. The Channel 4 documentary has already generated rather a lot of negative publicity. 1. One of the contributors Professor Carl Wunsch, professor of physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology said he had been "completely misrepresented" by the pro gramme, and "totally misled" on its content. He added that he is considering making a formal complaint. 2. The program makers have admitted "cleaning up" some of the statistical data they presented to support their argument. They also failed to include more up to date data samples easily available from NASA which would have further damaged their case. Possibly their most telling but also most obvious argument was the one that the IPCC consists of scientists and non scientists (wow) and that they don't all agree that climate change is being caused by man. Wow again. There was a clear implication that the non scientists were likely to get it wrong. What of course destroys this argument is that simple fact that the IPCC has never claimed that there is a consensus, instead they published the scientists estimates as to mankind's involvement in global warming, up from 66% in 2001 to 90% in 2007 with the non scientists just as likely to come down in favor of no man made global warming as for man made global warming. Non of this alters the obvious economic issue which is that man made CO2 comes mainly from burning fossil fuels, these are running out or becoming increasing expensive to exploit. Whatever the cause of GW the reality is that we need to wean ourselves of fossil fuels before they become too scarce and too expensive for our economies to support. Regards Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:48:38 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: In article <45FB4FFF.CF4B4534@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: > > How much of that would survive: > > ...and nuclear holocaust? > > ...a seismic/volcanic/comsic cataclysm? > Probably none of it would survive a nuke since I was living near DC at the time. That area is niether siesmicly nor volcanicly active, so it probably would survive. A cosmic cataclysm would depend on the nature and location of the event. So we should sit back, cruise on, and ignore all the above possibilities? I think not. Folks have been working on them since before I was born and I'm glad they're still working on them. I will not surrender my children's future, no matter how many generations from now, to "hakuna matata". ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 05:56:43 -0700 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1174309003.746254.173310@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On 18 Mar, 19:59, dav...@montagar.com wrote: > On Mar 17, 1:25 pm, Bill Todd wrote: > > > dav...@montagar.com wrote: > > > Supply and Demand. > > > Horseshit: in cases like this, supply and demand *is* abuse. The free > > market does a lousy job of anything but very-short-term optimization - > > it leaves the long term (which means our children - and even ourselves > > if we're not that old) to take care of itself. > > > And in the current 'me-me-me!' cultural climate appealing to the > > 'enlightened self-interest' of individuals to fix that problem is ludicrous. > > > That leaves it up to governments - hardly an ideal candidate for saving > > our asses, but better than none at all. > > So you want to leave it up to the government to artificially regulate/ > legislate supply and demand? Do you have any evidence that such > actions actually work? I can point to many instances where it has > demonstrably not worked, take for example the War on Drugs? Maybe > Prohibition is a better example? > > A tax will only create a new agency, which will not reduce usage of > fossil fuels because now that validity of that agency depends upon > using that fossil fuel. Government agencies often act in their own > self interest, not always in the interests you think they do. Yes, > I'm a cynic, but when was the last time you saw a government agency > rendered obsolete? They only RECENTLY abolished the tax to support > the Spanish-American War. > > And some of the "cures" I'm not sure are better than the "disease". > Let's all switch to flouresent lights. Now will have lots of mercury > and other toxic items from the ballasts filling out landfills rather > than glass/alumimum/copper/tungsten. Not sure that's what I want > leaching into my water supplies... We're all in a tizzy about global > warming, and jumping on a "solution" that may not be as good as we > think long term. Also what about the manufacturing costs of those > CFL's? Is the CO2 we save lighting our house being consumed producing > the bulbs? Who's done that analysis? > Fluorescent lights contain very small amounts of mercury which is why you should not put them in the trash/rubbish. But they can be recycled safely and these recycling facilities will come on tap as the traditional light business is phased out. Yes CFL's require more energy to manufacture than traditional lights but this is easily offset by their much longer life (7-10x) and the energy savings while using them. And reducing the amount of fossil fuel burnt to light our homes no only reduces CO2 emmisions but also reduces the other toxic pollutants produced during the generation process in much larger quantities than the mercury used in the CFL's. Ironically one of the toxic pollutants produced by fossil fuel power plants is mercury and the net effect of using CFL's is actually to reduce the amount of mercury in the environment. Of course CFL's are not the only game in town, LED's may well replace them offering greater efficiency and even longer life. > > > be made marketable. For instance, insulation and such is a godo > > > business around here in Texas (it get's a little hot). Why? Because > > > is saves you money. Yeah, it has the nice side effect of "saving the > > > planet", but that's not why most people do it - it's because it make > > > economic sense. > > > Which just highlights the nature of the problem: most people only buy > > as much insulation in hot or cold climates as 'makes economic sense' *at > > the moment* - rather than buying considerably more in order to reduce > > energy use. > > But since prices are up, the "at them moment" is having a substantial > impact. Double-paned windows, styro insulation, thicker attic > insulation, higher SEER efficiency A/C units or heat pumps, on-demand > water heaeters, and more. I hear ads about that stuff daily. Didn't > used to. > Long term fossil fuel energy prices are likely to increase faster then the underlying rate of inflation, and although the Canadian Oil sands as an example have increase the discovered oil reserves they are more expensive to process and need world oil prices to remain high to be profitable. Rather like renewables. > > And the sad part is that the economic optimum in this case has a *very* > > broad minimum: for literally a few percent higher net outlay (even > > after amortizing the up-front costs over time - and I'm talking about a > > few percent of the net insulating-plus-heating/cooling costs over time, > > not the entire house cost) you can at least halve your house's > > heating/cooling load. And that's based on the figures I worked through > > 15 years ago when building our own house and fossil fuel prices were > > considerably lower than they are today. > > But it's not today, is it? And the market is seeing a distinct change > in that respect and higher efficiency is being widely marketted as a > "good thing". > > > > I tell you, when I can replace my shingles on my house with effective > > > solar-cell's that let me house generate it's own power for the A/C > > > during the day, I'm all for it. > > > You live in Texas, so you might well be able to do that today - if your > > house were properly insulated (design to take advantage of shade is also > > a major win). You could also do it today if you were paying for the > > actual long-term value of the energy you use rather than leaving it up > > to the next generation to pay for the difference (plus their own needs). > > The only problems with that is solar cells aren't currently efficient > enough, expensive, and fragile (we have hail, too). But creative > shading (i.e. trees) and other things do help as well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:49:56 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <45fea40e$0$144$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk> Andrew wrote: > On 18 Mar, 19:49, "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: >> Bill Todd wrote: >>> Dr. Dweeb wrote: >> >>> ... > >> >> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4520665474899458831&q=global... >> >> I rather enjoyed this film (thanks to whoever posted the link >> originally), I saw it for the first time just now. It simply adds >> more weight to what I and those with slightly less political agenda >> and with a higher burden of proof level have written here and >> continue to write. >> > > Probably not the best choice to have made. The Channel 4 documentary > has already generated rather a lot of negative publicity. > And positive. The AGW crowd are large, powerful and have substantial vested interests in the propogation of their position. Expect to see Burson Marstellar on the job !! > 1. One of the contributors Professor Carl Wunsch, professor of > physical oceanography at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology > said he had been "completely misrepresented" by the pro gramme, and > "totally misled" on its content. He added that he is considering > making a formal complaint. > There is a link somewhere that dismisses his claim, based on the original interview data. If the report is accurate, the professor will have no luck with a complaint. He was just a little too clear on his debunking of the models and their inate problems (a provable fact) with predictability - he is probably concerned that some modeller with political clout might blackball him. > 2. The program makers have admitted "cleaning up" some of the > statistical data they presented to support their argument. They also > failed to include more up to date data samples easily available from > NASA which would have further damaged their case. > Specifics would be nice - a link to the NASA data or summary please. > Possibly their most telling but also most obvious argument was the one > that the IPCC consists of scientists and non scientists (wow) and that > they don't all agree that climate change is being caused by man. Wow > again. > > There was a clear implication that the non scientists were likely to > get it wrong. > Indeed. Political appointees being what they are you do not think this specifically more likely? I guess you are entitled to that opinion. My personal experience of the political process suggests otherwise. > What of course destroys this argument is that simple fact that the > IPCC has never claimed that there is a consensus, instead they > published the scientists estimates as to mankind's involvement in > global warming, up from 66% in 2001 to 90% in 2007 with the non > scientists just as likely to come down in favor of no man made global > warming as for man made global warming. > I will need to check the accuracy of that statement at source, since secondary and subsequent sources clearly say otherwise. > Non of this alters the obvious economic issue which is that man made > CO2 comes mainly from burning fossil fuels, these are running out or > becoming increasing expensive to exploit. Whatever the cause of GW the > reality is that we need to wean ourselves of fossil fuels before they > become too scarce and too expensive for our economies to support. > I continue to agree with this sentiment. > Regards > Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 09:27:28 -0700 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: AMD's well may be running dry Message-ID: <1174321648.801912.218170@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On 19 Mar, 14:49, "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > Andrew wrote: > > On 18 Mar, 19:49, "Dr. Dweeb" wrote: > >> Bill Todd wrote: > >>> Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > > 2. The program makers have admitted "cleaning up" some of the > > statistical data they presented to support their argument. They also > > failed to include more up to date data samples easily available from > > NASA which would have further damaged their case. The film argued that most global warming happend between 1900 and 1940 and that cooled between 1940 and 1975 when the post-war economic boom was under way. This apparently showed, that global warming had little to do with industrial emissions of carbon dioxide. In the film this data was apparently sourced from NASA, one of the newspapers in the UK asked the production company where this data had come from. They admitted that it hadn't come from NASA but from a 1998 paper in a publication called the Medical Sentinel. The authors of the paper are climate sceptics partly funded by the George C Marshall Institute, a right-wing Washington think-tank. Further investigation has revealed that the graph did not in fact come from this paper but from an earlier publication by the same authors. The paper used Nasa data from the 1980's but crucially in the film the axis of the graph was modified to make it appear that the data came up to the present day. The film makers have admitted that they altered the graphics to make it look as if the sample data ended in 2000 and not in the early 1980's. Had that accessed the additional data available from 1980-2006 which is available from the NASA web site then they would have found that after a small dip temperatures continued upwards, it would also have shown that temperatures have risen more since 1974 than they did between 1900 and 1940, in doing so of course they would have destroyed one of the most apparently telling points the film tried to make that there was no statistical relationship between temperature rise and industrial activity. > > Specifics would be nice - a link to the NASA data or summary please. > > > Possibly their most telling but also most obvious argument was the one > > that the IPCC consists of scientists and non scientists (wow) and that > > they don't all agree that climate change is being caused by man. Wow > > again. > > > There was a clear implication that the non scientists were likely to > > get it wrong. > > Indeed. Political appointees being what they are you do not think this > specifically more likely? I guess you are entitled to that opinion. My > personal experience of the political process suggests otherwise. > Of course, but there are a large number of governments including the US who would prefer GW to pop back into its hole. Can you guarantee that there was a majority of pro GW appointees to the IPCC. You could make a strong counter argument to suggest that in all probability lack of a high 90's% probability assessment that mankind is making global warming worse in the IPCC report could be due to the political appointees to the IPCC. The British Journalism Review recently surveyed genuine climate scientists and found that 600 thought that Global Warming was happening and only 5 thought it was not. The thrust of the Journals article is that in an attempt to show balance the media have been scrambling to allow the anti global warming camp a say when the reality is that they represent the views of less than 1% of credible scientists. If you had a political party who had polled less than 1% of the votes cast how much air time do you think they would get. Certainly not a whole program on Channel 4. Regards Andrew Harrison Regards Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:55:46 -0700 From: "Rich Jordan" Subject: Re: ANN: AsItHappens for OpenVMS Message-ID: <1174316146.775455.289780@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Mar 18, 9:28 am, thierry....@wanadoo.fr wrote: > AsItHappens is a real-time network statistics collector and grapher > written in Java and published under GPL. It uses SNMP and ICMP to > collect data from devices over a network and displays graphs of > network response, bandwidth, processor and memory usage, Cisco NBAR > and Netflow. In addition, AsItHappens can graphically display flow > information from a tcpdump file. > > AsItHappens 0.34 has been ported on OpenVMS. Porting means testing all > the functions, writing a startup procedure and creating a PCSI kit. > > AsItHappens for OpenVMS needs Java 1.5.0 or later and must be > installed on an ODS5 volume. AsItHappens has been tested on Alpha and > Itanium. > > Download link:http://vmsfree.free.fr/freen/index.php?s=asithappens Thanks, Thierry. It looks useful and interesting. Hopefully we'll have time to try it out soon. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:41:00 GMT From: "Brian Gaff" Subject: Re: BA places corpse next to first-class passenger Message-ID: Apparently, according to friend of mine, aircraft have a cooled cupboard for dead bodies on ling haul flights. I would imagine there is a subtext hear as the lady's daughter was on board, and for all we know, she may have asked for the body to stay near her. Brian -- Brian Gaff - briang1@blueyonder.co.uk Note:- In order to reduce spam, any email without 'Brian Gaff' in the display name may be lost. "Nomen Nescio" wrote in message news:ba08c71234d1f89fbbf99dcc4afb8ee1@dizum.com... > John Doe [Canadian psycho JF Mezei] wrote: > >>Craig Welch wrote: >>>> Nasty. He should get some sort of compensation. >>> Nope. He should get over it, as the airline suggested. >> >> >>Assuming this isn't a hoax, the passenger should have demanded he be moved >>if >>they were unwilling to move the corpse. >> >>Normal airlines would put put the person in a body bag and stowe in in a >>lavatory. In the case of Singapore, on its 340-500s, they have stowage for >>a >>dead body so it doesn't close down one of the lavatories. >> >>It is absolutely unhygienic to keep a corpse in open spaces next to other >>people, especially for a very long flight. >> >> >>If BA really did what was written in that text, I suspect they are >>about to get >>a visit from health inspectors. My gut tells me this article is a hoax. > > YOU are a hoax, JF. You're trolling so fast and furiously you can't > even keep your trolling IDs straight. > > Here's a refresher for you: > > "John Doe" is your sci.space.* trolling alias. > > "Nobody" is your rec.travel.air trolling alias. > > HTH. HAND. FOAD. > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/5e814528bf75efa9 > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 08:18:11 -0700 From: "tadamsmar" Subject: Re: Comments on my license reuse plan Message-ID: <1174317491.618469.118870@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Mar 17, 8:39 am, rdeinin...@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) wrote: > In article <1174070824.667892.36...@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, > > "tadamsmar" wrote: > >I wonder if this plan will work > > >I plan to put the licenses from 2 dead Alphastation 400s onto a DS10 > >600. And then, remove all the DS10 600 licenses. > > >If this works, I plan to by a DS10 600 or DS15 with no licenses and > >use the old DS10 600 licenses on the new box. > > >I wonder if this will work? One concern I have is that the > >Alphasstations don't have a separate Motif license but the DS 10 600 > >does, so maybe Motif will not work. I guess I could try to just buy > >a Motif pak in that case. And, there are other paks that will not be > >there. > > DW Motif was usually provided as part of the NET-APP-SUP-* PAK bundled > with OpenVMS Alpha systems of that vintage. > > While your plan to re-use PAKs may work, you should check your Terms and > Conditions to see if they allow you to freely move PAKs from system to > system. > > A PAK is not a license. Your software license (i.e. contract) gives you > the right to use the software, and is embodied in the terms and conditions > that you got from the vendor when you purchased the software. If you buy > a software upgrade license, you typically don't get a new PAK, but the > purchase modifies your contract. We have looked high and low and cannot anything called contract, but we bought all our systems and software legally. I cannot find anything in any of our paperwork that limits our licenses or paks to a single machine. Looks like transfers within a company, redesignations as they are called, are legal if they are valid: http://licensing.hp.com/swl/view.slm?page=xfer ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:58:47 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Cool new features in OpenVMS 8.3 Message-ID: In article , Doc writes: > > VAX is dead, and people should be moving to more modern systems. VAX is alive and well. It works so well that SIMH VAXen are popping up everywhere, not to mention commercial simulations and real hardware that refuses to die. And VAX will continue to live so long as VMS comes with a VAX Macro assembler or compiler, and new ports of VMS continue to contain code relying on such compilers. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:54:02 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Cool new features in OpenVMS 8.3 Message-ID: In article <1174130147.045380.34290@e1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "n.rieck@sympatico.ca" writes: > > p.s. I think I'll upgrade to OpenVMS 8.3 ASAP. > Me, too, just as soon as they make it available for my VAX. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:25:54 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: FTP over SSL Message-ID: Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? Pointer? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:30:00 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: In article , norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > >Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? >Pointer? You are looking for SFTP which is available in Multinet from Process Software. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:39:16 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote on 03/19/2007 09:30:00 AM: > In article 0049C8AA@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > > > >Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? > >Pointer? > > You are looking for SFTP which is available in Multinet from ProcessSoftware. With all due respect, I have Multinet running, and Process informs me that they do not yet have FTP over SSL but are not unaware of it. I have an app which is asking specifically for FTP over SSL. I have been informed that at least on Windows download is available...so the question stands. -Norm "Everything worthwhile eventually degenerates into real work." -Murphy > > Regards, > Christoph Gartmann > > -- > Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 > Immunbiologie > Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de > D-79011 Freiburg, Germany > http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:40:33 GMT From: "Jeffrey H. Coffield" Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? > Pointer? > Try "sftp" at then $ prompt then type help. Jeff Coffield ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:06:59 -0400 From: "Farrell, Michael" Subject: RE: FTP over SSL Message-ID: <085BCCCF596B684092B66310B1D3BA7D056FB091@NJ103EX1.EAST.VIS.COM> FTP over SSL is usually invoked with the command "ftps". Under SSH it is invoked with the command "sftp". To my knowledge, FTP under SSL is not available under VMS. I would like to have it also. Regards, Mike Farrell -----Original Message----- From: norm.raphael@metso.com [mailto:norm.raphael@metso.com]=20 Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:39 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: Re: FTP over SSL gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote on 03/19/2007 09:30:00 AM: > In article 0049C8AA@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > > > >Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? > >Pointer? > > You are looking for SFTP which is available in Multinet from ProcessSoftware. With all due respect, I have Multinet running, and Process informs me that they do not yet have FTP over SSL but are not unaware of it. I have an app which is asking specifically for FTP over SSL. I have been informed that at least on Windows download is available...so the question stands. -Norm "Everything worthwhile eventually degenerates into real work." -Murphy > > Regards, > Christoph Gartmann > > -- > Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 > Immunbiologie > Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de > D-79011 Freiburg, Germany > http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:15:05 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: <07031909150577_2020028F@antinode.org> From: norm.raphael@metso.com > Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? > Pointer? The answer might depend on whether you seek a client or a server (or both). Kermit might offer a client. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 09:47:02 -0500 From: lederman@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: >> In article > 0049C8AA@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: >> > >> >Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? >> >Pointer? I think cURL may do what you want. Although usually described as a a web page retriever, it does also do ftp, and there is an SSL version. (I've done ftp, haven't tried it with SSL myself.) http://curl.haxx.se -- B. Z. Lederman. My personal opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:07:42 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: lederman@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) wrote on 03/19/2007 10:47:02 AM: > >> In article >> 0049C8AA@metso.com>, norm.raphael@metso.com writes: > >> > > >> >Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? > >> >Pointer? > > I think cURL may do what you want. Although usually described > as a a web page retriever, it does also do ftp, and there is an > SSL version. (I've done ftp, haven't tried it with SSL myself.) > > http://curl.haxx.se > I haven't been able to grok curl on VMS (albeit with minimum research). My VMS machines do not have access to any DNS server. Is that a show-stopper. I tried giving it an IP-address instead but the results were not what I expected. Actually I did not know what to expect, but do not remember it returning anything useful. At any rate, this app apparently needs to transfer information and I have to check to see it the transfer is from-only or two-way. > -- > B. Z. Lederman. My personal opinions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:00:50 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: In article , "Jeffrey H. Coffield" writes: >norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: >> Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3*? >> Pointer? >> >Try "sftp" at then $ prompt then type help. > SFTP (SSH File transfer protocol) and FTP over SSL (FTPS) are different things see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >Jeff Coffield ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 15:34:48 GMT From: Doc Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: norm.raphael@metso.com wrote in news:OF658D4F34.F1C69AEA- ON852572A3.0052BF2A-852572A3.00531A72@metso.com: >> >> >Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha > V7.3*? >> >> >Pointer? As a cludgey approach can't you set up a small box to do the FTP over SSL with the directories on your Alpha NFS mounted, or a shared drives with something like SAMBA? Doc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:06:21 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: FTP over SSL Message-ID: Doc wrote on 03/19/2007 11:34:48 AM: > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote in news:OF658D4F34.F1C69AEA- > ON852572A3.0052BF2A-852572A3.00531A72@metso.com: > > >> >> >Does anyone know of any FTP over SSL available for OpenVMS Alpha > > V7.3*? > >> >> >Pointer? > > As a cludgey approach can't you set up a small box to do the FTP over SSL > with the directories on your Alpha NFS mounted, or a shared drives with > something like SAMBA? > Naw, that's not cludgey enough. We'll probably use FTP from VMS to a Windows server, then FTPS from there to the remote app, and the same to reverse the process. The security is not needed internally. > > Doc. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 01:41:28 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Help with a BA-356 Storageworks Message-ID: <1174293688.282298.319180@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> Have you tried borrowing an HSD10 or HSD05 and connecting it up to the DSSI bus on the VAX? That should at least allow you to sanity check that the shelf is doing what you expect it to. It may not be fast enough for production purposes, but it would show that things are nominally ok. Failing that, try getting a BA350 off Ebay. Steve tomarsin2015@comcast.net wrote: > Hello > I have a VAX 4000-100 with 2 internal scsi and the 3 internal dssi > drives. I have a spare BA356 with some 9 and 18gig drives in it.I > would like to connect the BA356 to the VAX, so dka200 thru dka700 > would be the external drives.Problem is when ever I start at the > bottom next to the power supply of the cabinet dka100 goes off-line. > If I start at the top of the cabinet dka100 shows up, but the drives > in the BA356 dont. I shouldnot have to open or change the id on the > drives, since this would void the HP warranty. What am I doing wrong?? > I know this would be so much easier if I could just buy the 2nd scsi > controller for the 4000, but at $1000.00+ management would just laugh. > thanks for any help > Oh yes dka100 is terminated or should it? > phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:23:16 GMT From: "Colin Butcher" Subject: Re: Help with a BA-356 Storageworks Message-ID: SHOW DEV at the >>> prompt will show you the SCSI ID of the internal SCSI adapter (either 6 or 7, back then I think that 6 was the factory default) and the two internal SCSI drives (probably 0 and 1, maybe 3 and 2). By convention 4 was a CD and 5 was a tape. Worst case you'll have IDs 3 & 2 in use (or 0 &1) by discs, 4 by the CD and 6 by the adapter. You can change the HBA's SCSI ID with the command SET SCSI command at the >>> prompt. I usually set it to 7. BA356 shelves set the ID of a device by slot position. As the VAX is an 8bit narrow SCSI bus, you'll only have positions 0 through 7 to play with (and you'll need the narrow personality module too), of which you won't be able to use those slots that correspond to existing SCSI devices. Worst case with your preset setup is that you'll only have IDs 2, 3 and 6 free because 0 7 1 are discs, 4 is the CD, 5 is a taoe and 7 is the adapter. So, you'll only be able to add 3 drives maximum. Far better is to use an HSD10 and hang the shelf off the second DSSI bus - gets you a full complement of additional drives and splits the IO load across multiple buses. I think you'll find that the HSD10 can also do RAID and caching for you too. The HDS05 is a cheap alternative that just lets you present the devices in the shelf as DSSWI devoces - which may be enough to achieve what you want. Also beware of the rules for the shelves in terms of disc size & speed - that affects the heat load and you don't want to fond the shelf overheating. -- Cheers, Colin. Legacy = Stuff that works properly! ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:52:02 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Please keep the religious drivel out of comp.os.vms Message-ID: <7Mkgu4fBQVVe@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <45FC9309.6080102@comcast.net>, "Richard B. gilbert" writes: > For those who came late, SOS was an editor supplied with early versions > of VMS; it was present in V3.6. I think it went away at 4.0. You could > use it without having a VT terminal. That was about its only virtue. SOS was inheritted from many places, such as TOPS-10 and TOPS-20. I was glad to be rid of it. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 04:33:43 -0700 From: "Andrew" Subject: Re: Power Consumption Message-ID: <1174304023.617772.95500@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On 17 Mar, 21:31, "Richard B. gilbert" wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: > > Robert Deininger wrote: > > >> So an Itanium CPU emits a little less heat tha a person - about 75-130 > >> watts, depending on the model. > > > What average percentage would the CPU represent for total power > > consumption for a system with one disk drive ? > > > aka, if you have a CPU of 100watts, what would be the likely total power > > consukption once you factor in the disk, memory, other chips and even > > the fans ? > > >> Actually, a lot, maybe most, of the power used by a disk drive is > >> friction > >> between the spinning platters and the air in the drive. A modern 10,000 > >> or 15,000 RPM drive is pretty warm when you touch it. The circuit board > >> side is much cooler than the body of the drive itself. > > > Any thoughts of putting disks in vacuum ? wouldn't this greatly reduce > > air resistance as well as making it easier for the heads to move since > > there wouldn't be a strong current of air to fight against ? > > I doubt that this would work. The air is what keeps the head from > crashing. The head actually "flies" on a layer of air a few molecules > thick. When you get something besides air in there is when you get > catastrophic failures of some sort. The days when you could chuck the > cat out and open the drive on the kitchen table vanished many years ago. The air gap between the disk and the head is one of the limiting factors on drive density. A number of drive vendors are developing technologies using carbon nanotube lubricants that allow the heads to get much closer to the surface of the drive. Regards Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:42:04 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: Power Consumption Message-ID: In article , "Richard Brodie" wrote: > >> > And 220/240V AC in other parts of the world. > >> > > >> Actually it is 230V now in Europe. Over a period of 10 years the UK went > >> down from 240V, and the rest of Europe went up from 220V. > > Strictly it's 230V +/- 10%. Its my understanding that in practice the > delivered voltage tends to be still 220/240 V, depending on location. I've just measured mine at 229 V. (Although the 6 month old meters in the distribution panel are marked 380/220 V.) -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:39:34 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: Power Consumption Message-ID: <45fea0a8$0$139$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk> Paul Sture wrote: > In article , > "Richard Brodie" wrote: > >>>>> And 220/240V AC in other parts of the world. >>>>> >>>> Actually it is 230V now in Europe. Over a period of 10 years the >>>> UK went down from 240V, and the rest of Europe went up from 220V. >> >> Strictly it's 230V +/- 10%. Its my understanding that in practice the >> delivered voltage tends to be still 220/240 V, depending on location. > > I've just measured mine at 229 V. > > (Although the 6 month old meters in the distribution panel are marked > 380/220 V.) I measure the variability of it in my home by the performance characteristics of my iron and my lava lamp. I burn my shirts if I iron out of peak hours, and my lava lamp almost never bubbles :( Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:48:48 GMT From: Nigel Barker Subject: Re: Shopping cart that works on VMS Message-ID: On 15 Mar 2007 10:05:44 -0700, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote: >On Mar 13, 3:14 pm, Chuck Aaron wrote: >> If anyone is running web applications on VMS and using >> a shopping cart, can you tell me what shopping cart you >> are using or might recommend? >> >> Thanks. > >Please see... > >http://www.oscommerce.com/ >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware80/OSCOMMERCE/ >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_9482.html I can confirm that OSCommerce works nicely on OpenVMS. An alternative Open Source PHP/MySQL eCommerce application that is worth looking at is CubeCart as this is very straightforward to set up has great documentation & is very well supported by the author & the community of users. http://www.cubecart.com http://www.cubecart.org -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 08:14:12 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Message-ID: In article <231b$45fc67bc$cef8887a$10368@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > When the X server is "running low on memory" (eg: PGFILQUOTA running below a > certain threshold), it should pop up an alert telling the user that the X server > is running low on memory (with perhaps an identification of which process/window > has made the request that cause the X server to go below the threashold). Reminds me of the 3rd party pool monioring program for RSX-11M. When the pool was low it sent out broadcast messages, which ate up the remaining pool. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 06:27:24 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Message-ID: <1174310844.221759.167200@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> A fully configured rx2660 with disk, tape and VMS licenses comes in at about 10k GBP. The FOE PCL is presently 490 GBP list price. A dual-core CPU, of course, requires two. Steve Robert Deininger wrote: > In article <45fe41e6$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote: > > >In article > , > rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > >>I'd recommend the office-friendly variants of either the rx2620 or rx2660 > >>Integrity servers. Running OpenVMS V8.3, of course. > > > >I didn't know that rx2620 and rx2660 has office friendly variants. > >I was told (here?) that only rx2600 has... > > The office-friendly rx2620 has been available for more than a year. The > office-fiendly rx2660 is just becoming available now. > > There was never an office-friendly rx2600. The rx2600 is quieter than the > rx2620 anyway, so there was less need to make a quiet version of rx2600. > The standard rx2600 is commonly used in offices. > > > >And how much is a office-friendly variant of the rx2620 or the rx2660? > >The prices I see here are totally frustrating... > > > >eg. > >Used rx2620 (VMS not mentioned): EUR 15690.- > > http://h40054.www4.hp.com/integrity-virtualisierung/rx2620.html > >Used rx2600 (VMS not mentioned): EUR 7850.- > > http://h40054.www4.hp.com/integrity-virtualisierung/rx2600.html > > I can't help much there, since my German has faded to almost nothing. Are > those pages for used HP Integrity servers? > > I don't believe anyone has waded through the considerable red tape needed > to generate products with VMS bundled with the refurbished Integrity > servers. If folks are interested in such product offerings in the future, > it would be best to contact VMS product management directly and make them > aware of your needs. > > It is possible, of course, to buy refurbished HP servers and add OpenVMS > yourself. > > I did notice the link "Kostenlose Account Consulting Session", which I > guess has something to do with a no-cost consulting session that someone > in HP appears to offer. The link leads to this page, > > http://h40054.www4.hp.com/integrity-virtualisierung/consultingsession.html > (which does mention VMS.) > > Have you tried to get useful pricing information via this consulting session? > > > >Ok, they are not net prices (how much is the PHux Workload Mgr?) > > I wouldn't hazard a guess for prices of HP-UX products. Even if I knew > what they were... > > >but what are my prices (I'd pay $2000 for such an Itanic, but I can't > >attend this porting seminars) > > As far as I know, there are no vendors currently building or selling > "Itanics". I'm pretty sure HP does not offer porting assistance on > "Itanic" servers. And why would you want one? They don't even float. > > As far as I know, the only way to get prices for HP Integrity servers (is > that what you really meant?) is through an HP sales person or an HP > authorized reseller. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:47:58 GMT From: "FredK" Subject: Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Message-ID: "Robert Deininger" wrote in message news:rdeininger-1903070722310001@dialup-4.233.173.65.dial1.manchester1.level3.net... > In article <45fe41e6$1@news.langstoeger.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote: > >>In article > , > rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) writes: >>>I'd recommend the office-friendly variants of either the rx2620 or rx2660 >>>Integrity servers. Running OpenVMS V8.3, of course. >> >>I didn't know that rx2620 and rx2660 has office friendly variants. >>I was told (here?) that only rx2600 has... > > The office-friendly rx2620 has been available for more than a year. The > office-fiendly rx2660 is just becoming available now. > > There was never an office-friendly rx2600. The rx2600 is quieter than the > rx2620 anyway, so there was less need to make a quiet version of rx2600. > The standard rx2600 is commonly used in offices. > The office friendly version of the rx2600 was the zx6000. The firmware for it could run the fans slower IIRC. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 08:01:00 -0700 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Message-ID: <1174316460.133908.142870@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Are there any successors to X11 that make fewer assumptions? From the description you've provided, it seems like X11's design made lots of assumptions... Steve FredK wrote: > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:e3e25$45fda29a$cef8887a$22229@TEKSAVVY.COM... > > FredK wrote: > >> It isn't clear to me that it has "run out of resources". Becomming > >> unresponsive doesn't meet the criteria. If the X server "runs out of > >> memory" --- it crashes (or sometimes if you are lucky it kills a > >> connection) - it doesn't just "slow down". > > > > With Mozilla, I see the X server's process raise its Working set to > > wsextent, and raise its virtual pages to very near pgfilquota. Show > > proc/quota reveals it has 256 pages left as pgfilquota. > > > > At this point in time, mozilla does not redraw the window. Menus do not > > appear, however, looking at the mozilla process (show proc/cont), I see > > some tiny action when the mouse moves over a clickable area such as the > > menu mar that should be just under the MWM window title. (MWM works fine > > during those situations, it is just the content of all mozilla windows > > that do not refresh). > > > > Bringing other simpler windows to the foreground (such as decterm), they > > work perfectly, and they redraw fine. > > > > There are errors logged to decw$server_0_error.log about insufficient > > resources (but I currently have no examples since I have not gone to any > > complex/large web pages since restarting the x server). > > I need an example. > > Essentially, there was no real plan in X11 for dealing with running out of > resources like memory, and routine interfaces don't bubble status back up to > the callers (and ulitmately to a point where it could return an error to the > client like INSMEM). If it happens during a request at a point where the > code knows the client ID - then it can kill the client (very friendly). If > it happens in other places, it issues a fatal server call (even friendlier). > > X11 assumes an error-free connection (no robustness features to allow a > re-connect) and error free execution of the X11 server with infinite > resources. It also assumes mostly error free clients that respond in a > timely manner to events to prevent deadlocks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:16:19 -0400 From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Re: Suggestion for the VMS X-windows server Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > When the X server is "running low on memory" (eg: PGFILQUOTA running > below a certain threshold), it should pop up an alert telling the user > that the X server is running low... Low-quota condition handling is tricky. At best. If you don't have the quota for some operation, you may well not have the quota needed to load and generate the message(s). I sometimes use preemptive tests to flag low quotas where I can detect this at launch time. There are various other areas where generating messages is problematic at best, and often impossible. > I have a VMS workstation. If I can't use it for the user interface, > I might as well move everything to a MAC which handles both server > and user interfaces nicely thank you. I believe I encouraged this approach some time ago. You have a Mac, and Mac OS X has a very elegant and useful interface, and also full X11 support. In some ways, the end-to-end integration of Mac OS X is quite reminiscent of the hardware and software integration that long-time OpenVMS users have certainly become accustomed to. Firefox and Thunderbird are presently available for Mac OS X boxes, but I'm getting slightly ahead of myself here. > [Porting Firefox and Seamonkey] has been casually mentioned here in > the past. But when asked, HP will respond that it is not officially > on the roadmap. Firefox and Thunderbird are listed in the OpenVMS roadmap. I don't recall all that much discussion of a Seamonkey port around OpenVMS, but folks are certainly free to port it over using the existing pieces from Mozilla kit, or the pieces from the Firefox and Thunderbird port as those arrive. Marc Van Dyck writes: > No, JF, you are not alone. All my team of OpenVMS system engineers > have an OpenVMS desktop system (alpha station XP900). I wonder what > I will give them when I will need to replace those with Itanium-based > sysems. Perhaps an Integrity blade, if the embedded video controller is > powerful enough... I've posted up lists of graphics controllers and various options, and an introduction to Integrity that may be of interest -- the controllers list the names and related, while the Integrity introduction discusses considerations such as the the Office Friendly (Office Environment) kit and Graphics options. This is listed over at the new web site. OpenVMS I64 runs nicely on the Radeon 7000 found in the MP, and can also run via the PCI Radeon 7500 series controller. Somebody else will have to describe which graphics widgets (if any) can be loaded into a PCIe x1 or x8 bus, if there are any available for the PCIe boxes. I haven't looked at that. Most PCIe graphics controllers are x16. There are PCIe x1 cards around, but I don't yet know if any are supported, or planned for support. The AMD ATI FireMV series has a PCIe x16 variant, a x1 variant and a PCI variant, apparently. (These are mentioned for example only, and I don't know that these have or will have OpenVMS support. AFAIK, the AMD ATI FireMV series do not currently have any OpenVMS support.) Most of the new Integrity servers with PCIe slots have x8 slots. Discussions of using x1 controllers in an x4 or x8 left to another discussion -- the classic PCIe design is intended to allow the use of shorter PCIe cards in mechanically larger slots. Steve R. writes: > A fully configured rx2660 with disk, tape and VMS licenses comes in at > about 10k GBP. > The FOE PCL is presently 490 GBP list price. A dual-core CPU, of > course, requires two. That's if you want brand-new hardware. (And the rx2660 is a sweet box.) Depending on your budget and your requirements, used boxes can be had for rather less. Sometimes for little more than shipping costs. (Your FOE base system license price looks similar to the US list price for the per-core FOE license price, given the exchange rate. The FOE license contains OpenVMS I64, unlimited user and most or all of what was once in the NAS packages, FWIW. Adding the basic commercial licenses is much less than it used to cost, and hobbyist non-commercial licenses are free. The EOE and MCOE packages are not, however, as cheap.) I've seen HP Itanium systems sell under US$1000, and you can sometimes find better deals when somebody retires an old configuration. Details that a hobbyist can use around booting OpenVMS I64 on old or "weird" hardware is posted over at the new web site. > Are there any successors to X11 that make fewer assumptions? From the > description you've provided, it seems like X11's design made lots of > assumptions... X11 has assumptions, yes. Error handling in a windowing system can be somewhat spotty. I'm aware of no network-level replacement for X11, barring any consideration of the remote desktop packages available for Microsoft Windows and Mac OS X platforms. The logical replacement is usually http or https, possibly using AJAX or Java or other such technologies. Or you tie into the platform window system with a native client, and potentially use something akin to GTK+ to jacket (abstract) the local APIs. -- www.HoffmanLabs.com Services for OpenVMS ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 09:40:05 -0700 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: Switch to PREFERRED_PATH on HSZ80 and VMS 7.2-1 Message-ID: <1174322405.376809.281590@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> I am working with a customer that is frozen in time. They have two HSZ80 controllers and VMS 7.2-1 on their cluster. Currenly every unit in the HSZ80 is online to the other controller, even for the disks that the PREFERRED_PATH is this controller. State: ONLINE to the other controller PREFERRED_PATH = THIS_CONTROLLER Jobs that normally execute in a few hours are now running over 12 hours so we want to get some units back to the correct controller. Since this is VMS 7.2-1 I have no SET DEVICE/SWITCH command, I recall running some utility in SYSTARTUP_VMS to set the path before the SET DEVICE/SWITCH came out, but I can not remember how that used to happen. Every thing I can think of searching on gives me the new method, not the old. Does anyone remember how you go about switching the path back to the preferred path on this old setup? If anyone knows where I can find HSZ80 manuals then a pointer there would be appreciated too. Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca CHARON-VAX CHARON-AXP DataStream Reflection PreciseMail HP Commercial Hardware ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 07:11:39 -0700 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: Whos behind the publication of Bob's garish newsletter? Message-ID: <1174313499.324459.171690@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Mar 19, 6:39 am, Doc wrote: > I shouldn't, but... > > b...@instantwhip.com wrote in news:1174261100.847759.101780 > @n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: > > >http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54483 > > Your source's author/founder has a page on Wikipedia (see link below) > where I see no credentials as a scientist. Not that there isn't a single > fact in the piece you've linked to, it is an opinion piece and the > article it advertises will have cherry-picked sources to reach the > conclusion they want. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Farah > > Yes, I'd trust this guy (NOT!)... > > "Farah began working with Rush Limbaugh on the book See, I Told You So, > which was released in 1994." > > "Farah stated "We are not conservative. We are the largest independent > news site on the Net". He is commonly known to criticize Democrats[6], > gays[7], Arab Islamists[8], and liberals[9] on many issues." > > [6]:http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47505 > The man believes Saddam Hussein had WMDs. > > [7]:http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23017 > The man considers polygamy and homosexuality equivalent. > > [8]:http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38455 > The man believes Abu Grhaib was just a bit of bad press. > > [9]:http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38558 > The man implies John Kerry is a war criminal. > > So Bob, your source isn't credible. > > Can you debunk any of the BBC's reporting on their climate change portal? > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/portal/climate_change/defau... > tm > > Or do you believe they're in on this conspiracy that you believe in? > > Doc. thats right ... he is NOT a SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST like you are ... ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2007 08:20:25 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: WinSCP Message-ID: In article , Doc writes: > I'm trying to get WinSCP (http://www.winscp.net) up and running with > Deathrow (Multinet stack). > > Has anyone had any luck with this package on any VMS system? Or should we > all be posting logs in this discussion? > (http://winscp.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3853). I used WinSCP for a while with Multinet, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I'm much happier with Filezilla. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.156 ************************