INFO-VAX Thu, 08 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 134 Contents: Re: Backup VAX7.3 and ODS5 disks Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Re: DVD on zx2000 Re: DVD on zx2000 Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Re: I need an MSA1000 FibreChannel IO Board (daugthercard) Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Questions about SYSDUMP Re: Questions about SYSDUMP Sigma7 Re: Sigma7 Re: Sigma7 Re: Sigma7 Re: Sigma7 Re: Sigma7 Re: Sigma7 Re: SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE question Re: TCPIP, non-existent users, and backscatter-spam Re: TCPIP, non-existent users, and backscatter-spam Re: TCPIP: SMTP user validation bug Re: Time zone/DST change question. Re: Time zone/DST change question. Re: Time zone/DST change question. Re: Wierd MySQL 4.1.14 error on VMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Mar 2007 08:08:30 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Backup VAX7.3 and ODS5 disks Message-ID: <45efc47e$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article , JF Mezei writes: >David J Dachtera wrote: >> It has been stated here and in other fora that OpenVMS-VAX does not support >> ODS-5. > >VAX VMS 7.3 is able to mount ODS5 volumes and can access them transparently >within the limits of ODS2. > >The directory I wanted to access contained only ODS2 compatible filenames. And is not too deep [8 levels]? -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:30:05 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Message-ID: In article <45EF7FD9.EE6E61B3@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera wrote: > Paul Sture wrote: > > > > In article <45ECE2B5.6609A56F@spam.comcast.net>, > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > > > > Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski wrote: > > > > > > > > TCPIP> SET NAME/SYSTEM /ENABLE > > > > > > > > And all is good now :D > > > > > > > > Why it hasn't been engaged, I have no idea- but after adding that > > > > suboption even if domain name mismatches (which is actually true, > > > > because id.uw.edu.pl is not authoritative reply: authoritative is > > > > InDz.noname.net.icm.edu.pl), resolver works like charm... > > > > > > > > Now to get a mozilla :D > > > > I wonder, is there an implementation of VNC for VMS? > > > > > > O.k. I'll bite: What is VNC? > > > > > > > "Virtual Network Computing" from the University of Cambridge. You can > > control one system from another. > > Is that anything like Telnet? ...SET HOST (CTERM)? > > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/attarchive/vnc/index.html > > Ah. Looks like a Terminal Services Client for non-M$ environments. As Tad says, it's not just a GUI, but can give you the console. My use for it was to control my Windows box from my VAXstation. In conjunction with the VNC client on the VS, I had the VNC server on the Windows system. As long as Windows was up, I could do everything short of changing floppies without needing the Windows monitor/keyboard/mouse in front of me. This really came into its own when I moved the VS outside for the summer months; a 30 metre ethernet cable was all I needed for mail and newsgroup access, printing etc. The alternative without VNC would have been to drag the PC, modem, printer (IOW the whole kit and caboodle) outside. Note that this was in the days when I was on dialup access, and before wireless gear appeared in the shops. Now translate that to working remotely, and bear in mind that VNC is multi-platform, and you see how useful it can be. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 16:07:27 +0100 From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) Subject: Re: DVD on zx2000 Message-ID: <45f026af$1@merkur.rz.uni-konstanz.de> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >Have following, > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 > on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3 > >Disk $5$DQA0: (ITANIC), device type HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8160B, > >Does anyone know if Plextor 716A or 740A will work in place of above? > Tom, the zx2000 accepts almost all drives. Even those that do not work on a XP1000. Use the disk cable and not the optical drive cable, otherwise VMS won't boot. Hope this helps Eberhard ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install, fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow! ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ---- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:34:14 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: DVD on zx2000 Message-ID: On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:07:27 -0800, Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: > > In article , "Tom Linden" > writes: >> Have following, >> HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Industry Standard 64 Version V5.6 >> on an HP zx2000 (900MHz/1.5MB) running OpenVMS V8.3 >> >> Disk $5$DQA0: (ITANIC), device type HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR8160B, >> >> Does anyone know if Plextor 716A or 740A will work in place of above? >> > Tom, > > > > the zx2000 accepts almost all drives. Even those that > > do not work on a XP1000. Use the disk cable and > > not the optical drive cable, otherwise VMS won't boot. Thanks. We did discover that when booting VMS the first time, thanks to google. > > > > Hope this helps > > Eberhard > > ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ > For a quality usenet news server, try DNEWS, easy to install, > fast, efficient and reliable. For home servers or carrier class > installations with millions of users it will allow you to grow! > ---- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dnews.htm ---- -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 09:50:24 -0800 From: "UnderMine" Subject: Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Message-ID: <1173376224.510539.188110@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 7:27 pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <1173191118.727900.88...@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com>, "UnderMine" writes: > > > > > What exactly is the genealagy of VAXELN? > > My understanding was that it originally branched from VMS and then > > developed independantly. > > VMS -> VAXELN (influence/code?) > > VMS -> Project Mica (1986-1988) (influence/code?) > > Mica -> NT (influence/code?) -http://www.businessreviewonline.com/blog/archives/2005/10/ballmer_mic... > > MicroPower PASCAL (which ran on MicroPDP-11 and MicroVAX) begat VAXEln, > according to those who talked at DECUS. The name change was in part > due to the availability of languages other than PASCAL. > > VAXEln used only two modes and VAX chips were produced for embedded > applications that supported only those two modes (and therefor > couldn't run VMS). > > There was a printer vendor who worked very closely with DEC for a > while, and used VAXEln to support both their print engine and thier > LCD menu. If you looked quick,youl'd see the VAXEln version number > on the LCD durin power on boot. Based on these discussions and other information I have decided split VAXELN out from under VMS into an new section. http://www.oshistory.net/metadot/index.pl?id=2529 When redrawing the graphical tree I will probably replace the code link with an influence link between VAXELN and VMS. Now was VAXELN a direct decendant of MicroPower Pascal (rename), a new system that reused some of the code base (fork) or just influenced by it? I am not sure but was there any link between VAXELN and RT-11? A number of documents mention both together but I am not sure whether this just is because both were real time enviroments able to run Pascal or whether there was actually a link between the two. However drawing the tree is hard without definate dates and versions for VAXELN/MicroPower Pascal and these are proving ellusive. I have only been able to get indirect references to dates (i.e. documents which mention 'requires VAXELN v2.3 or above') which give me a 'prior to' date but are not exactly reliable. At one point I had a referrence to VAXELN 23. Now with reflection I believe this was someones typo of VAXELN v2.3. Can anyone confirm this? All additional information and comments welcome. Thanks Paddy ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 10:45:09 -0800 From: "Steve Lionel" Subject: Re: History of VMS and related operating systems Message-ID: <1173379509.147840.310940@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> UnderMine wrote: > What exactly is the genealagy of VAXELN? > My understanding was that it originally branched from VMS and then > developed independantly. VAXELN was derived from neither VMS nor MicroPowerPascal, though the latter was aimed at the same market. The original name for VAXELN was VAX Elan (Executive foir Local Area Networks), but there was a trademark dispute over the name Elan so it became VAXELN. The architecture of VAXELN is nothing at all like VMS. The original design was that of a series of independent layers and modules from which you could pick and choose, allowing you to build an application with just those services you wanted. Communication between the layers and modules was through well-defined APIs and did not rely on shared system data structures. If you've seen an architecture schematic of early designs of NT, it will look amazingly similar. Many similarities persist in Windows XP. Unfortunately for both VAXELN and NT, this elegant design had, shall we say, inadequate performance, and in both the idealism of abstraction yielded way to the pragmatism of a more integrated design, though VAXELN still separated out large chunks of functionality which could be optionally linked in. As for languages, VAXELN Pascal was derived at least in part from VAX Pascal V2 and also used its run-time library with minor edits. My memory is a bit hazy regarding the compiler, it might have used Cutler's VCG and the parser might have been independent. Perhaps John Reagan will chime in with his recollections. The other major language on VAXELN was Ada. I was the project leader for VAXELN Ada from 1983-1988. This was the regular VAX Ada compiler with some enhancements and a modified RTL. We also designed a remote debugger interface from VAX DEBUG that did a clever (I thought) mapping of the remote system's address space and used page protection to trigger movement of pages. One thing I recall about VAXELN was that it's API (akin to VMS system services and RMS) was horrible. Cutler hated structures such as itemlists and instead had calls such as the equivalent of $OPEN having 20 or more arguments. Any time functionality was enhanced, more arguments were added. This is not the design I would have chosen. Cutler left the project as version 1 was released and the project was transferred to Maureen Johnson's group in the Mill. It took them about 2-3 years to get the product up to what I would call "production quality". You might see a pattern here. VAXELN might have done better had DEC not held such a tight grip on the VAX architecture, making it expensive for customers to deploy in any reasonable quantities. The above comments are my personal opinions. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:23:08 -0500 From: "Island Computers, D B Turner" Subject: Re: I need an MSA1000 FibreChannel IO Board (daugthercard) Message-ID: <12v03h958no22f4@news.supernews.com> We can get a replacement controller but they aren't cheap Where did you buy it? Did they not give you 12 months + warranty? I will call one of my contacts at HP to see if we can help Cheers DT -- Island Computers US Corp 2700 Gregory St Savannah GA 31404 Tel: 912 447 6622 x201 Mail: dturner-atnospam-islandco-com (You know what to do with the dashes) "Malcolm Dunnett" wrote in message news:45ef61fd$1@flight... > I have an MSA1000 controller module which won't talk to the > fibrechannel port in the box. I've determined the problem is > within in the controller module by swapping the controllers > (its a dual controller system) and FC IO modules around and > observing the problem move with the controller. > > Opening up the controller I notice a daughtercard which is > labelled 010677-001 and has "Fibre Channel_IO" etched into > the PCB. I would hazard a guess this is the failed part and > that the rest of the controller is fine. The card is just a > plug-in module so it's easily field replaceable ( no > different than swapping a cache module in the controller ). > > I've searched the HP Parts website but can't find this part > number listed. Does anyone know if it's possible to buy just > this daughtercard rather than an entire new MSA1000 ( it's out > of warranty and not on maintenance ). > > Anyone got a dead MSA1000 they'd be willing to sell me the > daughtercard out of cheap? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 07 12:16:25 GMT From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: In article , cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: >A blind CS professor even figured out a way to print braille on an IBM >1403. By setting the paper thickness to 4-part forms and placing an >elastic band between the hammers and the paper, it was possible to >create bumps in the paper by printing asterisks. The only problem was >that the output had to be folded and stacked by hand with the printer >hood up because the stacker rollers would otherwise compress the bumps. That one is kewl. I'm always amazed at what people produce if they're given half a chance to play. I think GUI takes a lot of that tactile playing away. /BAH ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 08:00:46 -0600 From: lederman@encompasserve.org (B. Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: <2GV82oIrrWD+@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >> Someone discovered that you could issue a "read on the card >> punch" instruction. This would cause a card to go through the >> punch without being punched, but also without being read. Since >> no data was returned, the punch was instructed to read another >> card. This would continue as the punch ran through it's stack of >> cards as fast as possible, at which point it would ask for more >> cards. The Halt Immediately button would not stop it, you had to >> power down the machine (which usually took 20 minutes or more to >> restore). > > I didn't know this one. I don't think anybody did it at our > site; I don't remember having the system powered off. > >> >> Every time IBM sent a new support person out to the >> University, someone would ask him if there was any instruction >> that could not be halted by pressing the button. Being carefully >> trained by IBM, he would of course always say that there was no >> such instruction. He soon learned othewise. > > ROTFLAMO. That's initiation by ratatat fire. In case it wasn't obvious, I should point out that the previous service technician apparently never clued in his replacement about this, either. -- B. Z. Lederman. My personal opinions. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 06:04:43 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: <1173362683.025541.296960@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 7, 3:31 pm, c...@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote: > > The other thing people would do (myself included) is print some of the > > "ASCII art" pictures (moon, spock, golden gate, kitten, etc). The Ops > > would hate it, everyone else would want you to print a copy for them. > > I still have the "ASCII art" moon, etc. on a 9-trk IBM labeled tape, but > the last of the IBM 3420 drives left here a long time ago. I have one somewhere, too. I wrote (and still have) software that reads IBM SL tapes. Now my problem is finding a tape drive... I know someone who has one, maybe I can snag it sometime. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:55:36 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: <76187$45f03211$cef8887a$32169@TEKSAVVY.COM> >> I still have the "ASCII art" moon, etc. on a 9-trk IBM labeled tape, but >> the last of the IBM 3420 drives left here a long time ago. Recently saw a video from the singer "Beck". Don't know the title of the song. But it was video transformed into animated ascii art. (eg: each frame converted to asci art based on the original image.). At one point, they "zoom out" to make each character smaller and the resolution of the image becomes much higher and almost like an image. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:06:52 +0000 (UTC) From: dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Subject: Re: OT: Proposed additions to the PDP11 instruction set Message-ID: In article <1173295765.121929.108690@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, wrote: > >There were two things about some of the old band printers depending >upon the carriage control tape loaded into them. You could actually >backspace the printer 1 line, I think by including a "-" in the first >column (carriage control) field rather than the typical space. Every >now and again, someone would do that. > ... >The other thing people would do (myself included) is print some of the >"ASCII art" pictures (moon, spock, golden gate, kitten, etc). The Ops >would hate it, everyone else would want you to print a copy for them. > Combining these ideas, you could get reasonable greyscale pictures using carriage control to effect judicious overstrike. At Guelph we used to posters three stories high, putting them up in the glassed-in stairway in the CS building. -- David Evans dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Research Associate http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:12:11 +0100 From: "Rudolf Wingert" Subject: Questions about SYSDUMP Message-ID: <000901c7616a$3cef6ca0$994614ac@domina.fom> Hello, I have some questions about the system dump file. Is it a good idea to produce a selective dump regardless of disk space? Also should I use always compressed dumps to speed up the write, or will this lower the write speed? TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingert ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 08:29:40 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Questions about SYSDUMP Message-ID: In article <000901c7616a$3cef6ca0$994614ac@domina.fom>, "Rudolf Wingert" writes: > Hello, > I have some questions about the system dump file. Is it a good idea to > produce a selective dump regardless of disk space? Also should I use always > compressed dumps to speed up the write, or will this lower the write speed? > TIA and best regards Rudolf Wingert > I never use selective dumps, but then I actuall can and do read the things because they generally show bugs in my kernel mode code. A selective dump will be faster on systems with lots of RAM. I don't know about compression. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 11:55:24 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Sigma7 Message-ID: <55abtcF234fh8U1@mid.individual.net> How's this for a longshot? Does anyone here have a utility that can run on VMS that can read a Sigma7 Backup tape? Our Registrar's Office needs to get at data on a very old tape. I am the only one here with 9-tracks anymore so they came to me. I can read the raw diles, but because the tape is in backup format I can't do much of anything else with it. Can't even identify the names of the files. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:15:38 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Sigma7 Message-ID: On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 03:55:24 -0800, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > How's this for a longshot? > > Does anyone here have a utility that can run on VMS that can read a > Sigma7 Backup tape? Our Registrar's Office needs to get at data on > a very old tape. I am the only one here with 9-tracks anymore so > they came to me. I can read the raw diles, but because the tape is > in backup format I can't do much of anything else with it. Can't even > identify the names of the files. > > bill > Check with NASA, they had Sigma 5's, 7's and 9's and they likely had some utilities to read the tapes on the replacement systems. IIRC we read them on 360's at ESA (then called ESRO) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 08:31:53 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Sigma7 Message-ID: In article <55abtcF234fh8U1@mid.individual.net>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > How's this for a longshot? > > Does anyone here have a utility that can run on VMS that can read a > Sigma7 Backup tape? Our Registrar's Office needs to get at data on > a very old tape. I am the only one here with 9-tracks anymore so > they came to me. I can read the raw diles, but because the tape is > in backup format I can't do much of anything else with it. Can't even > identify the names of the files. Good luck. If I had one of these I think I'd be stuck with trying DUMP. Our Sigma-7 didn't have much of a file system and I don't even recall a backup program. All I ever used the disk for was to store and update a seed for RANDU so my program wouldn't go through the same "random" sequence every time I ran it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:50:59 -0500 From: "Richard B. gilbert" Subject: Re: Sigma7 Message-ID: <45F022D3.5060500@comcast.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > How's this for a longshot? > > Does anyone here have a utility that can run on VMS that can read a > Sigma7 Backup tape? Our Registrar's Office needs to get at data on > a very old tape. I am the only one here with 9-tracks anymore so > they came to me. I can read the raw diles, but because the tape is > in backup format I can't do much of anything else with it. Can't even > identify the names of the files. > > bill > Bill, Try Chris Muller at (212) 344-8474. He makes his living recovering data in weird formats or from weird media (or both). I don't know that he can do it but if it can be done there a good chance he can do it or knows who can. The Sigma 7 (Scientific Data Systems (later Xerox)) is late 1960's and early 70's vintage. I'm going to copy Chris on this message so you may hear from him. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:53:03 -0700 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: Sigma7 Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20070308065205.02d50df0@192.168.0.11> Man, now *THAT* is a system I've not heard of in many years! Used to use one in college oh, so many years ago! At 04:55 AM 3/8/2007, Bill Gunshannon wrote: >How's this for a longshot? > >Does anyone here have a utility that can run on VMS that can read a >Sigma7 Backup tape? Our Registrar's Office needs to get at data on >a very old tape. I am the only one here with 9-tracks anymore so >they came to me. I can read the raw diles, but because the tape is >in backup format I can't do much of anything else with it. Can't even >identify the names of the files. > >bill > >-- >Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves >bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >University of Scranton | >Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:03:05 -0600 From: Chris Scheers Subject: Re: Sigma7 Message-ID: <55b1ecF23coalU1@mid.individual.net> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > How's this for a longshot? > > Does anyone here have a utility that can run on VMS that can read a > Sigma7 Backup tape? Our Registrar's Office needs to get at data on > a very old tape. I am the only one here with 9-tracks anymore so > they came to me. I can read the raw diles, but because the tape is > in backup format I can't do much of anything else with it. Can't even > identify the names of the files. When you say Sigma-7, do you mean CP-V? Or was some other OS used to write the tape? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. Voice: 817-237-3360 Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com Fax: 817-237-3074 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:44:27 GMT From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: Sigma7 Message-ID: I used a Sigma 7 (actually the similar Sigma 6) in college as well. As I recall, it used EBCDIC (or some flavor of that) as the character set, so that may explain your inability to readily recognize filenames in the tape dump. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:55:26 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: SYSMAN IO SET EXCLUDE question Message-ID: "Ian Miller" wrote on 03/07/2007 03:59:55 PM: > VMS 7.3-2 UPDATE V10 is on hold > Yes, but... You can use it if you then apply the AUDSRV V4.0 ECO after before rebooting, and V11 will be along soon to fix that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:18:58 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: TCPIP, non-existent users, and backscatter-spam Message-ID: In article <45ef2245$0$333$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, Jur van der Burg <"vdburg at hotmail dot com"> writes: > In all the talk about spam I rarely see one technique mentioned that has > done wonders for me: greylisting (see www.greylisting.org). My provider has greylisting implemented. It does cut out some stuff, but not everything. Note that it checks the triplet sender, recipient and IP-address. The assumption is that spammers don't try again after a temporary failure. What happens if the triplet is repeated, but in a NEW spam? Will it get through? Or does a retry have to take place in order to get on the whitelist? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:34:32 +0100 From: Michael Unger Subject: Re: TCPIP, non-existent users, and backscatter-spam Message-ID: <55ar7hF23cg0tU1@mid.individual.net> On 2007-03-08 10:18, "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" wrote: > My provider has greylisting implemented. It does cut out some stuff, > but not everything. Note that it checks the triplet sender, recipient ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > and IP-address. The assumption is that spammers don't try again after a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > temporary failure. And if the sending/trying mail server ist a "mail server cluster" at a large ISP's site you may get into a situation where each "retry" is done from a different IP address, so each retry is "temporarily" blocked ... > [...] Michael -- Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:45:04 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: TCPIP: SMTP user validation bug Message-ID: <2c789$45f04bbb$cef8887a$8968@TEKSAVVY.COM> david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > Just occurred to me if DEC TCPIP services is not reacting correctly to > usernames enclosed in quotes for this check is it handling all the tricks > spammers attempt to bypass anti-relaying checks ? Last time I had checked, such tests were almost all good for the tcpip services. There was one or two very strange nomenclatures that weren't recognised by VMS but which did not result in a relaying possibility. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:25:51 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Time zone/DST change question. Message-ID: <45eef71f$0$16321$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Jerry Alan Braga" wrote in message news:fzBHh.24385$lY6.22076@edtnps90... > what timezone should be used for the southwestern Ontario Region > > America/Toronto or Canada/Eastern > [...snip...] Ontario should use Canada/Eastern but I think this is the same as US/Eastern. p.s. because of some UNIX application problems (the old DST rules are baked into the apps) I will need to change to GMT-4 on March 11. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:29:02 -0500 From: "Neil Rieck" Subject: Re: Time zone/DST change question. Message-ID: <45efe6ec$0$16404$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:f35b8$45ef317b$cef8887a$31024@TEKSAVVY.COM... > After some sleep and a dose of chocolate, I reread the release notes > carefully and the SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL is not changed. > > Negative still means west of GMT. > > So I have to assume that there is some other command procedure on the > system that was modified to parse GMT* specification for selected time > zones differently and converts it back to normal time differences. > > I really do not understand why someone would have decided to switch the > meaning of the sign around. The concept of negative offset for west of GMT > is truly rooted in so much stuff, including GPS etc. It seems extremely > stupid to change it, especially since the underlying logic still expected > a negative offset for west of GMT. > > I take it that they weren't stupid enough to require all SMTP and NNTP > clients to change the date nomenclature so that times specified as offset > to GMT wouldn't have to have their signs flipped ? > Anything I have found, so far, talks about these GMT changes being necessary for POSIX compliance. And although I can think of a few cases where it would be better to rename the string "GMT-4" to "GMTMINUS4", it makes no sense to me to change the sign. I was shocked when I saw the number of Solaris-8 applications (like LDAP) that needed to interpret time zones. TIMEZONE definitions will change again which means that all OSs should do it only in one place. All other timestamps sent between computers should only be sent in GMT or UTC. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 06:09:30 -0800 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: Time zone/DST change question. Message-ID: <1173362970.060289.158320@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> On Mar 8, 5:29 am, "Neil Rieck" wrote: > I was shocked when I saw the number of Solaris-8 applications (like LDAP) > that needed to interpret time zones. TIMEZONE definitions will change again > which means that all OSs should do it only in one place. All other > timestamps sent between computers should only be sent in GMT or UTC. The files are pretty standard across OpenVMS and Unix system, based on the previously mentioned site at nih.gov. I just had to rebuild timezone files for a Linux site I help with, and they are usable for OpenVMS, too. If anyone needs a copy of the updated North American timezone rules, and can't get a timezone update kit, I can provide the files for the web if needed that will load into SYS$TZDIR: ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2007 07:27:05 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com Subject: Re: Wierd MySQL 4.1.14 error on VMS Message-ID: healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > For some reason MySQL is no longer starting automatically on my system. Who should own all the files in SYS$COMMON:[MYSQL]? Once I started changing it so files were owned by [MYSQL,MYSQL_SERVER] I started getting closer. Once everything was owned by [MYSQL,MYSQL_SERVER], it would start up right. Zane ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.134 ************************