INFO-VAX Mon, 15 Jan 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 30 Contents: Re: Alpha Server 1200 memory configuration quiz Re: DECServer 900TM manual. Re: DFU comments HP Campus on Itanium (again) Re: HP Campus on Itanium (again) Re: Is this a (permanent) disk failure? Mozilla buglet (window management) Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server Now you can sign your own version 1 certs! Re: Now you can sign your own version 1 certs! Re: ODS5 and hardlinks Re: OpenVMS Licence for people in Asia Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Re: RMS-E-WLK, device currently write locked Re: RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DCL on Itanium VMS 8.2-1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:56:01 -0800 From: Alan Frisbie Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1200 memory configuration quiz Message-ID: <45ABC031.40507@Flying-Disk.com> H Vlems wrote: > BTW Hoff, I was afraid that the white smoke would not only come from the > memory but also from the main board. A month ago a similar experiment with > memory boards destroyed an Alpha Server 1000A motherboard. And I haven't > been able to find a spare one (other than paying well over $700 for it). I just happen to have a spare motherboard for an AlphaServer 1000A 4/266. It was in service until November, when it was swapped for a 5/400. If the 4/xxx is the one you need, I am willing to let you have it for the cost of shipping, plus one beer the next time we are both at the same place. I also have a defective CPU board from the same system (it looks like a bad cache) that I am looking for something creative to do with. I was thinking of removing the Alpha chip for display, but there are a *lot* of pins to unsolder. :-) Alan Frisbie Usenet02 Flying-Disk com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:30:34 GMT From: "Colin Butcher" Subject: Re: DECServer 900TM manual. Message-ID: It seems to be on the web already. Try here: http://www.digitalnetworks.net/tech_doc_decse.asp and here: http://www.digitalnetworks.net/tech_doc_dnas.asp -- Cheers, Colin. Legacy = Stuff that works properly! ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 2007 11:47:33 +0100 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: DFU comments Message-ID: <45a8c6d5$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <45a8a97e$0$30638$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >Since I had to delete a large directory tree many times to restart a backup >via FTP as many times, I decided to use DFU. It says it is versions 3.1-1 I use V3.2 (hopefully current) >$MC DFU DELETE/DIR/TREE $disk2:[000000]macbackup.dir seemed easy enough to >zap everything below it. Yup. But the syntax is not logical for me. It should additionally accept the form $disk$2:[macbackup...] >However, this still goes (by default) into SMG mode and still issues a >message for each and every file that is deleted, defeating its ability to >do this fast. (since progress is limited by the display speed). $ DEFINE DFU$NOSMG logical-translation-ignored where I think, the logical should better accept true and false to eg. define it true systemwide and personally on occasion to false (=SMG). How to do this now? >By default, DFU should perhaps display only a message for each directory >that is deleted in the tree, not for each file. /LOG could be added if you >wish to see every file. I've some more suggestions, too. -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:53:42 -0000 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: HP Campus on Itanium (again) Message-ID: There was a discussion a while back about the state of HP educational offerings in the UK. Changes were expected "real soon now". Anyone heard anything definitive; or alternatively have any good rumours? ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:06:22 -0800 From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: HP Campus on Itanium (again) Message-ID: <1168880780.861007.44960@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com> Doesn't surprise me David - the guys involved have moved desks at least once and were pretty busy otherwise last I heard. If you're still an HPUG (UK) member, a mail in that direction might be useful. Steve david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article <1168874511.197498.256150@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes: > >Richard Brodie wrote: > >> There was a discussion a while back about the state of HP educational > >> offerings in the UK. Changes were expected "real soon now". Anyone > >> heard anything definitive; or alternatively have any good rumours? > > > >The HP OpenVMS Educational License Program (http://www.openvmsedu.com) > >supports providing EDU licenses for IA64. This is a world-wide > >program, not just a US program. If your school is recognized, you > >should be able to register today, get your School ID within minutes, > >and have licenses in your E-mail minutes after that! > > > >Of course, VAX and Alpha are still supported, too! > > > >Licenses are good until the end of the upcoming summer session + some > >overlap (Sep 30). You can renew starting as early as Aug 1st for the > >next 13 month term. > > > > According to the resellers I am talking to there still isn't a UK DECCAMPUS > agreement for VMS Itanium systems though talks are proceeding. > > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:02:58 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Is this a (permanent) disk failure? Message-ID: <5aIT1noUL+Fl@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1168631043.233628.7060@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, TFTAJLLYMXZP@spammotel.com writes: > $ MOUNT/SYSTEM/QUOTA/NOASSIST DKA100: USR > %MOUNT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline Means the data on the disk can't actually be accessed. The disk is probably hosed. > And then, > $ SHO DEV DK > ... > SZEGED$DKA100: Online 0 Means only that the disk controller can be reached at the SCSI level. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 05:38:53 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Mozilla buglet (window management) Message-ID: <45a8b7d8$0$28574$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mozilla 1.7.13, Alpha VMS 8.3 If you use the "Window" menu to select a specific window. that window is brought to the top layer and made visible, but it is not made the current window. As a result, any keystroke pressed still goes to the previously current window which is now hidden below. (had some file transfers cancelled because I pressed a key, thinking it would be in a message composition window, but ended being interpreted by the download window as "cancel"... I realise that the focus is now on Firefox/Thunderbird, but if there are some code that is re-used, that bug might still be present once Firefox makes it to VMS. (Of course, I suspect this only happens in my universe and that for those living in the real world, this doesn't happen) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:15:31 -0800 From: "mooneydl" Subject: Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server Message-ID: <1168881329.505086.26600@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I opened a support case with HP and HP engineering confirmed that the time zone file caching is not currently working and will be corrected in a future eco. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:42:50 -0800 From: "mooneydl" Subject: Re: Multiple time zones from a single VMS server Message-ID: <1168882970.540573.203540@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> My original goal was to write a function that could be called to get the current date and time for a specified time zone or given a date and time in a specified time zone to return the date and time in a second specified time zone, all without affecting any other date and time related information within the process. That is, that the time zone changes would only be visible within the scope of the function that I wrote. The C RTL time zone setting function tzset() has a process global scope and the effects are visible to all functions, to all threads in the process, code running in all modes, and AST code. If an executable is composed of some object files produced by the C compiler and some produced by the COBOL compiler and the C modules invoke the time zone setting function then some COBOL facilities (ACCEPT VAR1 FROM DAY, ACCEPT VAR2 FROM DAY-OF-WEEK) are affected by the time zone settings and some COBOL facilities (ACCEPT VAR3 FROM DATE, ACCEPT VAR4 FROM TIME, MOVE FUNCTION CURRENT-DATE TO VAR5) are not affected by the time zone settings. The COBOL facilities are only affected after the C modules invoke the time zone setting function. Since the scope of the C RTL function tzset() was not what I wanted I wrote some basic time zone conversion functions that meet our needs. Hopefully this information will be helpful to others. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:27:20 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Now you can sign your own version 1 certs! Message-ID: <1168874840.813300.274510@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> since verisign now is ending version 1 support as of 9/30/08, older webservers like purveyor that create version 1 requests can now be signed by your own company for about $90 us with this product in England called keystor that used to be part of the java kit but no longer is ... so now you can run purveyor forever! :) http://www.lazgosoftware.com/kse/index.html ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:26:42 -0800 From: bob@instantwhip.com Subject: Re: Now you can sign your own version 1 certs! Message-ID: <1168882002.769704.59310@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> which means that if keystor used to be part of the java kit for vms, does the old keystor utility come in it and run on vms? anybody ever use it? ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:36:01 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: ODS5 and hardlinks Message-ID: In article , Bill Todd writes: > > Perhaps you should become more familiar with 'context-dependent symbolic > links' in Tru64: they don't cover *all* the functions of logical names, > but they cover much of what you cite above. Tru64 can do a lot of thinks above and beyond "UNIX" as it's generally known. I didn't know about context dependent anything in any UNIX file system, but then I lost my last digitial UNIX system years ago, and since it was a DEC 7000 it was stuck in the past anyhow. I still think OFS-1/digital UNIX/Tru64 was the best UNIX I've seen. (Sun worshipers are blind.) Maybe somebody will add these kinds of features to Linux. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:42:16 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Licence for people in Asia Message-ID: In article <1168631485.716923.25930@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, "siju" writes: > While applying for licence at the hobbyist site I was taken to a Page > > http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/register.php > > and I chose SIMH > > Do I need to give a CPU serial no.? > How do I do that in SIMH? You can enter SIMH as the serial number for a SIMH CPU. > I tried to generate licence without it and nothing happened :-( > AmI supposed to wait now for the licence to come to my e-mail? > > also there were many choices. > > OpenVMS VAX Base License > OpenVMS Alpha Base License > OpenVMS Integrity Base License > OpenVMS Layered Products (104 PAK's!) > OpenVMS Integrity Layered Products (104 PAK's!) > > Which one should I choose? > I chose the first one for now. What is the difference between them? SIMH simulates a VAX, so you picked the right one (OK, it simulates other systems, too, but none of them apply). You will need the base license, which lets you run VMS, and the layered products licenses, which allows you to run just about everything else. You might want to get an alternative IP stack, like Multinet from Process, in which case you'll need thier hobyist license, too; and/or a PL/I compiler from Kednos with thier hobbyist license. And then your licenses come in the email. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:59:27 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Message-ID: <4VfzbWc79ytg@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <1168719727.660667.219880@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>, "bclaremont" writes: > Hi, > > I have three old 9-track, 1600bpi tapes created on a PDP-11 system > using the COPY process. I don't have any more details on the process > used to create the tapes than that. I am using a MicroVAX II/GPX > running VMS 5.5 connected to a TU81 to read the tapes. I can copy one > of the tapes to the VAX using the following EXCHANGE procedure: > > $ MOUNT /FOREIGN MUA0: > $ EXCHANGE > MOUNT/FOREIGN MUA0:/VOLUME_FORMAT=DOS11 > DIRECTORY/FULL/COLUMNS=1/OUTPUT=PDP1.TXT MUA0: > COPY/LOG MUA0:*.* [.PDP1]*.* > DISMOUNT MUA0: > EXIT > $ DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD MUA0: > $ EXIT EXCHANGE lets you read and write disks and tapes from other DEC OS that don't following VMS or ANSI standards. If you use COPY on a PDP-11 it's either an ANSI labled tape or an unlabled tape, VMS COPY handles both of these. What OS was the PPD-11 running? > On the other two tapes, the DIRECTORY command works fine, producing a > listing of the files on the tape. However, the COPY command issues the > following messages for all files on the tape. Empty files with the > correct file names, but no data, are created on disk. > > %EXCHANGE-I-NOTCOPIED, file _HOTLGS$MUA0:RGNDTA.DEF not copied to > DUA1:[WHITLEY.PDP1]RGNDTA.DEF;1 > %EXCHANGE-I-DOS11_POSITION, rewinding tape to recover correct > positioning Looks like physical errors on the tape. > %EXCHANGE-W-DOS11_BLOCKSIZE, volume on _HOTLGS$MUA0: has block larger > than 512 bytes Looks like you need to specify the /BLOCKSIZE when mounting the tape. > %EXCHANGE-I-NOTCOPIED, file _HOTLGS$MUA0:RMSDTF.DEF not copied to > DUA1:[WHITLEY.PDP1]RMSDTF.DEF;1 > %EXCHANGE-I-DOS11_POSITION, rewinding tape to recover correct > positioning > %EXCHANGE-W-DOS11_BLOCKSIZE, volume on _HOTLGS$MUA0: has block larger > than 512 bytes > If you used the RSX-11M/M+ COPY to make the tape, then you shouldn't be using EXCHANGE. If you used a different OS on the PDP-11 someone else will have to pipe in. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 08:59:38 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Message-ID: In article , Paul Sture writes: > > The first thing I'd try is, with the tape mounted foreign: > > $ COPY / LOG MUA0:*.* [.somewhere] > If the tape is mounted foreign, then there are no names for the disk files. Generating names may clear up the %COPY-F-OPENOUT errors the OP posted. $ copy/log mua0: [.somewhere]file1.dat $ copy/log mua0: [.somewhere]file2.dat Also, on the MOUNT command, I'd try the largest /BLOCKSIZE that the drive will support, probably 65,532 since COPY uses RMS. You can always make it smaller if you determine it should be, the tape drive will only read the blocksize that is actually there. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 09:16:34 -0800 From: "bclaremont" Subject: Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Message-ID: <1168881393.270475.192620@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I obtained the following information concerning tape creation on the PDP-11: "The PDP-11 OS was RSTS/E (Resource Sharing Time Sharing / Extended). The tape was created using PIP (Peripheral Interchange Program), but don't know with what switches." ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 12:07:08 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Message-ID: In article <1168881393.270475.192620@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "bclaremont" writes: > I obtained the following information concerning tape creation on the > PDP-11: > > "The PDP-11 OS was RSTS/E (Resource Sharing Time Sharing / Extended). > The tape was created using PIP (Peripheral Interchange Program), but > don't know with what switches." I haven't worked with RSTS/E, but generally using PIP would be the same as using COPY on VMS. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 10:37:11 -0800 From: "bclaremont" Subject: Re: PDP11 Tape Copy to VAX: DOS11_BLOCKSIZE Message-ID: <1168886231.157311.267690@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com> Just an FYI, here is what a dump of the first few blocks of the tape look like: HOTLGS> TY PDP1.DUMP Dump of device MUA0: on 16-JAN-2007 10:52:39.94 Block number 1 (00000001), 14 (000E) bytes 0000 4AF1009B 0B0114CC 9C40613C In article <1168639352.839233.299050@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, rajib_agarwala@hotmail.com writes: > What are the possible reason that $1$DIA3: got write locked ? > Somebody bumped the write lock button on the front? The buttons on the front of our DSSI chassis were sufficiently problematic that we got some velcro and some plexiglass and covered them up. You could (at a much higher price) buy custom button covers for many DSSI chassis. On our systems the buttons happened to come out at knee height. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:31:08 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DCL on Itanium VMS 8.2-1 Message-ID: In article , Marc Van Dyck writes: > Stephen Hoffman was thinking very hard : >> -- DCL is one of the weirder images on OpenVMS > > Indeed ! And that reminds me the fact that, while there is in the UAF > a field that allows you to associate an account with the command > interpreter of your choice, I have never seen any documentation or > support offered to help you write your own... Too complicated, > I presume ? DEC provided at least four at different times: DCL, MCR, DECShell (a Bourne shell), and a POSIX shell (subset of ksh). Documentation on how to write one does exist, I've messed around with the idea of writing one, but I don't think it was in the standard doc set, nor was it a cookbook: "how to write a VMS CLI" document. I think GNV is providing a bash, but I don't know if it's as a full blown CLI, or as a program that can be started from DCL. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.030 ************************